'Hidden Hand' - claimed Illuminati insider, 2008

[Axman]

It comes down to some times we as humans cant agree with the way it works. For the most part it is a positive message.Its same as religion it would be great for humanity if we where not ego maniacs and start wars over it. Its good info to live your life by. everybody is responsible for where they are headed a lot of people dont agree with that.The one post where the person posted some negative post and HH tells them thats nice you just made sure you are coming back to do it again if its that easy to come back just goes to show its not easy.

The Axman

[East Sun]

Posted by Axman (here)
It comes down to some times we as humans cant agree with the way it works. For the most part it is a positive message.Its same as religion it would be great for humanity if we where not ego maniacs and start wars over it. Its good info to live your life by. everybody is responsible for where they are headed a lot of people dont agree with that.The one post where the person posted some negative post and HH tells them thats nice you just made sure you are coming back to do it again if its that easy to come back just goes to show its not easy.

The Axman

I'm not sure I understand what you mean in your first sentence.
The message is positive but is that all we are looking for? I am looking for truth, some facts, but there is a lot of maybes that we have been reading on this and other forums like this one for years.
There has been very good stuff also like the LOO material.
Whistle blower's stories are very interesting but there's always that margin of doubt that we need to have imo.
I don't buy this one.

[Ultima Thule]

What I find - among other things - plausible in Hidden Hands case is the dualism that is reflected in his/her story: the idea of providing truth because of universal principle or agreement in opposition to their "day-time" role as the evil and the devious. I can´t quite put my finger on exactly why that is plausible to me, but it does strike as a pro.

UT

[East Sun]

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
What I find - among other things - plausible in Hidden Hands case is the dualism that is reflected in his/her story: the idea of providing truth because of universal principle or agreement in opposition to their "day-time" role as the evil and the devious. I can´t quite put my finger on exactly why that is plausible to me, but it does strike as a pro.

UT

I think we can find dualism in most of what has been claimed on here over the years. We all like to hear positive info. but I don't understand why anyone puts out fantasies and imagination and wishful thinking as being fact.
This year will tell the tale for once and for all if Pandora's box is opened.
Be prepared for anything including disappointment.

[Axman]

Posted by East Sun (here)

Posted by Axman (here)
It comes down to some times we as humans cant agree with the way it works. For the most part it is a positive message.Its same as religion it would be great for humanity if we where not ego maniacs and start wars over it. Its good info to live your life by. everybody is responsible for where they are headed a lot of people dont agree with that.The one post where the person posted some negative post and HH tells them thats nice you just made sure you are coming back to do it again if its that easy to come back just goes to show its not easy.

The Axman

I'm not sure I understand what you mean in your first sentence.
The message is positive but is that all we are looking for? I am looking for truth, some facts, but there is a lot of maybes that we have been reading on this and other forums like this one for years.
There has been very good stuff also like the LOO material.
Whistle blower's stories are very interesting but there's always that margin of doubt that we need to have imo.
I don't buy this one.

I am not saying that what HH said is all truth or not what I meant was even if everything HH said was true (they way it works) there would be people that would not buy it.ie religion. If it does work(what happens when we die) with what comes out of your mouth effects where your going when its time then I screwed myself a long time ago.
Some of it I dont want to be true. If it is true then it would be nice to know the rules when we start.

The Axman

[Mulder]

I personally feel this could have been a "Psy-Op" - to run a dis-info campaign. The real illuminati care not about the slaves and wouldn't answer their questions truthfully. However, as a "work of fiction" it does have some interesting plot lines.

[john.d]

I posted the hidden hand material on the old forum because it gave me a lift spiritually . The concept of positive entities (service to others ) incarnating as negative (service to self) wasnt new to me though . I studied the ' ra material ' and it says the same thing happened on their world in their 3d cycle to create polarity by a couple of 5th density entities . It also says they graduated to 4th density negative at harvest and it took a lot of work to remember their true path and return to it .

John

[Ultima Thule]

Posted by Mulder (here)
I personally feel this could have been a "Psy-Op" - to run a dis-info campaign. The real illuminati care not about the slaves and wouldn't answer their questions truthfully. However, as a "work of fiction" it does have some interesting plot lines.

I definitely hear you, however what would you consider dis-info in Hidden hands account? What in the account could be hazardous to believe?
I am inclined to find the account plausibly authentic, as it is imo quite hard to find anything in the account that would be dis-informative in the sense that it would cloud the persons reading from traveling in a proper direction in their lives.

As for the rule thingie that is said to be responsible for the account to take place - I find it possible to conceive that as tptb have been remarked as understanding spiritual principles and using them in their negative ritual ways, they would also acknowledge this kind of "proper" principles to cover their behinds.

UT

[Kalamos]

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[Ultima Thule]

I understand that in no way John d implied that he was the origin of the Hidden Hand-material, but meant that he copy-pasted the material from outside source to the old/earlier Project Avalon forum for the members to read.


UT

[Kalamos]

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[Anchor]

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
I might as well state in here some of the things that were very interesting in the discourse:
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Thoughts?

I concur with your analysis.

I think the hidden hand material is worth more than two readings - especially if you are, like me, greatly informed by the Law Of One way of viewing things. It all fits together very nicely.

John..

[Kalamos]

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[Maunagarjana]

I love the Law of One books, but as far as I'm concerned, The Hidden Hand thing is a hoax. David Wilcock has said that he's spoken with the person who was behind it and said that the guy was a fan of Wilcock's site and the Law of One. You can ask on the comments section of divinecosmos.com and I'm sure the moderator will tell you the same thing. I had a strong feeling that it was a very savvy hoax. Especially when he got into the Lucifer and Quetzalcoatl social memory complexes. I mean, come on.....give me a break.

[Anchor]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
I love the Law of One books, but as far as I'm concerned, The Hidden Hand thing is a hoax. David Wilcock has said that he's spoken with the person who was behind it and said that the guy was a fan of Wilcock's site and the Law of One. You can ask on the comments section of divinecosmos.com and I'm sure the moderator will tell you the same thing. I had a strong feeling that it was a very savvy hoax. Especially when he got into the Lucifer and Quetzalcoatl social memory complexes. I mean, come on.....give me a break.

To me it doesnt matter where it came from Its still worth a read or two.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Its definitely intelligent. Regardless of who he says he is ,.. its not important. There is enough good teaching in there to learn from. The good stuff HH wrote was on the ball.

Id highly recommend reading it a few times. ( sort of what anchor said but with more words added ... )

N

[Christine]

Hello Henry and welcome to Avalon. I want to thank you for your opening post, misconception as to author and all. I had completely missed this thread so I am glad to have access to the material.

The forum is so large now with more than 60,000 threads it is easy to miss some. We are glad your here and look forward to more of your thoughts.

Christine

Posted by HenryBowen (here)

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
I understand that in no way John d implied that he was the origin of the Hidden Hand-material, but meant that he copy-pasted the material from outside source to the old/earlier Project Avalon forum for the members to read.


UT

Thank You for That Clarification. I Feel A Little stupid Now.

[Kalamos]

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

If i may offer some advice in watching the general reactios to information. It would be prudent to read material without any pre concieved ideas about the author.

Its important in reading to suspend judgement in order to truly hear its words. IE its not healthy to read with an air of skepticism as this colours the message and meaning. I have found it good practice , when you read , read with an honest heart, this way all you wish to glean is the good information that the sequence of words can give. The words then will take on a different meaning and will also give you better information.

If of course the scource is dodgy you have to ask your self why are you reading it in the first place ? however if its recommended as is the HH material or the Law Of One material you will get so much more out of it if you readwith an open mind.

In the HH material HH writer ( N DB ) touches on material and concepts which if you read them wholly are brilliant. He writes very well and is obviously well educated. The more hard to grasp concepts such as being from the later 6th density and being sent here to submit us to kaos in order for us to evolve, actually makes sence on a larger scale. Dosent mean i agree with it but it would knock most off the fence as a katalyst. If i can use an analogy , sometimes a micro biologist will introduce a violent reaction to a petrie dish in order to re configure the contents to a new matrix. Sometimes these reactions are all that we can do in order to achieve the desired effect. From this standpoint i get the concept however because i did not get emotional about it i can read it without agreeing to that part and then enjoying the bits that are important.

This concept in reading will help those who are a little more emotional in the US and Them scenarios. Its important to admire and study even those whom we believe are the enemy. Probably more than we realise.

Naniu

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Christine (here)
The forum is so large now with more than 60,000 threads it is easy to miss some. We are glad your here and look forward to more of your thoughts.

It's not that bad .

The newest thread number is 62176, but there are only 56477 threads in the database ... some threads got merged or deleted along the way.