The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

[Marin]

Posted by Vivek (here)
.... Marin, about the oils. I'm not as familiar with all of the effects of the actual oils on the body. They could be symbolic of special fluids in the body that correspond to the physiological transformations/processes that take place with all the physical and spiritual aspects of achieving gnosis.

On an emotional level, essential oils stimulate memories (both consciously and subconsciously), basic drives and hormones. They can combat depression, grief, and stress related disorders.

On a physical level, essential oils are the most potent form of herbal energy. They are antiseptic and immune system stimulants.

On an "energy" level, essential oils can be used on acupuncture meridians, chakras and subtle energy points.

On a cellular level, essential oils are good for wound healing, scar repairing and tissue stimulating.

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Why am I bringing up essential oils on this thread?

Evidence suggests that initiates like Mary Magdalene and Jesus were taught the sacred science of these anointing oils. From what I've read - and clearly I've only scratched the surface - initiates of these temples were taught sacred alchemical processes designed to open the mind, body and soul. To transcend higher levels of consciousness.

When we learn about our hidden history we gain insight about ourselves. Our true nature. Our abilities. Something that has been kept from us.

From my perspective, part of this re-connecting is through feeling. Going within. Connecting with the heart. In order to live in our hearts we must heal our body and minds. Clear our emotional state. The sacred teachings of the oils help to facilitate that process. An important step. One of the sacred sciences Jesus and Mary were taught - and shared.

Many feel Jesus and Mary Magdalene embodied and manifested the archetypes of the divine masculine and divine feminine. They were sacred partners. Equals. Both were prepared for their relationship by the sacred schools and traditions of their time. There is evidence that Mary Magdalene's training took place at the Ancient Egyptian temple of Isis. Here she was trained as a high priestess in sacred relationships and healing work.

"Mary Magdalene was the carrier of a tradition of respect and reverence for the Divine Feminine, a secret initiatory tradition that leads back through Jesus, Gnosticism, the esoteric teachings of Judaism and the Egyptian mysteries of Isis to the ultimate ground or source of all religions."

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/artic...f-the-apostles


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Much of this material comes from the research of Rev. Mary Hardy Ph.D.
http://www.templeofsakkara.com/young.../NLMay2012.pdf

"Mary Magdalene wore green sleeves because the healing energy that was emitted from her hands was a bright emerald green. That is why you see her depicted with green sleeves. Many who trained in her presence also gained the wisdom to use this energy. This energy is created by bringing the balance point between infrared and ultraviolet.

The importance of this healing technique is to spin the blood through the heart chakra so that one can achieve the balanced energy point of emerald green. Some people call this zero point energy. Within this field, one can transcend space, time, energy and matter.

To spin the blood, one has to create a diamond over the heart. The top part of the diamond pointing up spins clockwise, and the bottom part, pointing down, spins counter-clockwise. You merge the two triangles until you create an energy field that emits emerald green.

The Sisterhood of the Emerald Fire is the name given those people that have been trained in past lives in the knowledge and wisdom of balancing the electromagnetic field.

The sisterhood of the Emerald Fire was trained to use the amygdala gland. Science tells us that the amygdala gland is named after its shape, which is like an almond. But the secret name for the amygdala is Magdalene, and the name is synonymous.

The amygdala gland has two parts: the anterior lobe and the posterior lobe. Due to TDA Lingo and Neil Slade's research we now know that the anterior lobe activates the frontal lobe of the brain. Here you can transcend consciousness, time, space, energy, and matter. This is the secret knowledge of Aromatherapy. Activating the posterior lobe, you can remove much of the trauma from your electromagnetic field.

One of the first things that was discovered about the glia brain is that it is an antenna system into higher frequencies.

The glia brain can be used to transcend higher forms of consciousness. I’m sure this is why many of the religions of the world use the oils to anoint people during prayer and meditation."

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Here's another interesting bit:

"It has been said that when there is a conflict between reason and feeling, human beings will always side with feeling.

Most of our feelings from day to day are not responses to current happenings. They originate from the programming in cellular memory that was imprinted by the emotional experiences of our past that we were unable to understand, process, and resolve at the time.

These forgotten traumatic experiences function as live programming in our bodies, affecting every aspect of our lives and particularly in the area of how we make decisions. When our thoughts are limited by fears, lack of self-worth, and not feeling good enough for more or better, we make decisions that limit our success.

By focusing on fixing your feelings, you can fix most aspects of your life – physical, mental, and spiritual. Essential oils are perfect vehicles because their molecules pass directly to the emotional brain and can bring us into contact with the issues we have long forgotten and enable us to deal with them and resolve them. When we clear our emotional baggage, we clear the way to manifest our true and highest potential.

The sense of smell is the only one of the five senses directly linked to the limbic lobe of the brain which is the emotional control center.

All other senses, touch, taste, hearing and sight, are routed through the thalamus (the brain's switchboard) passing stimuli onto the cerebral cortex (conscious thought) and other parts of the brain.

The Limbic Lobe consists of the Hippocampus and Amygdala and directly activates the Hypothalamus. The Olfactory membranes trap odor molecules which fit into the receptor sites on the cells lining the membrane, the epithelium tissues. Nerve cells trigger electrical impulses to the olfactory bulb which transmits to the Gustatory or Taste Center, the Amygdala, which is where emotional memories are stored, and to other parts of the Limbic System affecting heart rate, blood pressure, stress levels, etc."

http://aromatherapyliving.com/whatisaromatherapy.html

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"Maryam (Mary Magdalelne) was initiated into the lineage of the Priestesses of Isis, and was given secret and often misunderstood wisdom of spiritual awakening. These secrets include the use of pure energy to strengthen the Ka body (we often call this the etheric double) and the use of sacred oils and special prayers or chants.

In ancient times, when an initiate came into the temple seeking wisdom, he or she was awakened spiritually. The chakra points were anointed with sacred oils which stimulate the senses and awaken the etheric body. The goal was to connect with universal life-force energy to allow full connection to the all levels or dimensions of spirit.

These rites of passage, and in all cases they include the anointment of the chakras (particularly the third-eye area) with sacred oils.

http://lesleycrossingham.com.au/inde...orks&Itemid=71

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A final note:
Although I'm drawn to uncovering the suppressed pieces of our history and how they "work" which has been illustrated here and elsewhere on this forum - an equally important piece is trusting our own inner knowledge. Our feelings; the feminine part of our beings.

A balance is needed in our lives. A balance between our hearts and our minds. A balance between the masculine and the feminine. By suppressing the real teachings of Jesus and Mary Magdalene - we were kept out of balance. The emergence of the long suppressed feminine is a necessary component in moving forward.

The wisdom of the feminine nature is fluid, gentle, instinctive and graceful. It is based on the intuition of the heart; an intuition that is necessary to balance the rational, mind-oriented nature of the masculine energy. A complete being is in tune with both masculine and feminine energy: in tune with the heart and the mind; the rational and the intuitive.

http://aumlove.org/divine-feminine-2/

[gripreaper]

Love your contributions Vivek. Yes, the pineal gland (the eye of horus) is considered the "master gland" and without it's secretions, the other lower glands do not receive the stimulant elixirs to fully activate them. The "eye of horus" does represent the brain, and the union of the hemisphere's does open up the higher mind of the corpus colosum.

I'm glad to see this discussed here, (with the requisite diagrams) as the physical body needs to be activated in the brain through the pineal gland, while the emotion and the life force enliven the etheric body, the energetic counterpart to the physical. If we could only see the colors in our energy fields, we could easily pinpoint the blockages and "feel" the signals coming from the spiritual etheric energy body...

Which is where a "new perspective" comes from, away from the carnal desires of the body, the survival "fight or flight" adrenaline response to life, the five physical senses, such as how all of Hollywood and media keep us stimulated in the first and second chakras with their fears and arousal's!

The "four" pillars of activation need to include our relationship to our bodies and our health, our relationship to others, our relationship to our service to life, and our relationship to our etheric energy body. This four cornered foundation, if not built in balance, makes it difficult to move up the spiral of awakening, to be able to focus and harness enough energy to move it up the central column into the frontal cortex of the brain where the third eye resides, to be able to see and feel the larger vision for mankind.

We've discussed here (ad nauseaum) how the Archonic forces will do anything to keep us from realizing our potential, yet those who have had enough of pointing out their machinations, and realize true power is inside, the ability to husband energy, who take full responsibility for building a strong foundation, are not subject to the Archonic machinations and vibrate the collective for all to resonate to.

Ive said this before, but it bears repeating. "There is no OUT THERE" in manifestation land, or any Newtonian paradigm of the periodic chart of elements as solid, but we live in a hologram of our own making. Where we focus our energy, either wittingly or unwittingly, that is what we create...

And yes, everything you see in your reality is YOUR creation. If you can own that, then the next thing to do is grab some distilled water, take a swig and get that pineal gland decalcified!

[Flash]

You know Vivek how I admire your acute intelligence. However, when talking about higher purpose, as the Christ wanted to show or the Buddha, or Krishna, or the true Gnostics, when we talk about this, it has not much to do with science of the brain.

So even if you show us all kind of beautiful diagrams and you correlate them with mystic experience, what you are doing is playing in the Mental field as per the diagram I posted here
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post712802and you get stuck in this astral (imagination) and mental fields (illusions). The way up is to get out of this, have a view that is higher, reach higher realms.

You rarely find a solution at the level of the problem. You stipulate Vivek that the brain is the solution when in fact it is the problem. It leads us to total illusions.

For one, the brain encompasse the physical, astral and mental levels, nothing else. It does not take into account the heart which magnetic énergies that are times and times stronger than the brain's. It does not take into account the multi levels energy fields that are the most important in development, nor our connection or disconnection to higher realms (our higher self), even if the pineal was functioning properly.

The real solution comes form higher, at the causal level and still higher after the causal. At those levels, the bottom rows can be seen, and we, developed humans (I presume we all are here at Avalon), can have an impact on the below régions of our being.

That is what Christ has come to show us, I believe.

Furthermore, there is a few capital errors in your scientific descritpions and their correlations, it will take time before I make out what they are and explain them (my brain is not as fast as yours, and it is definitely older lol). But I will.

In the meantime, can you look at my graph and tell me what it makes you think of. Please, imply your heart abilities as well. I would be very curious to have your input. Thanks

[Gardener]

Flash, I think there is a compromise. Both material and spiritual existence are inextricably linked with the brain as the transceiver (very simply put). A doorway of sorts, which operates outside of our conscious attention. Until such time we 'take it to heart' and bring our behaviour patterns under conscious control which in turn directs neurotransmitters. An intellectual person is an intellectual person and their thinking methods are vastly different from an emotionally centered person who feels thier way through things, or a phsycally centered person who moves through life grounded in physical activity.
Sorry a bit off topic but relevent.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Gardener (here)
Flash, I think there is a compromise. Both material and spiritual existence are inextricably linked with the brain as the transceiver (very simply put). A doorway of sorts, which operates outside of our conscious attention. Until such time we 'take it to heart' and bring our behaviour patterns under conscious control which in turn directs neurotransmitters. An intellectual person is an intellectual person and their thinking methods are vastly different from an emotionally centered person who feels thier way through things, or a phsycally centered person who moves through life grounded in physical activity.
Sorry a bit off topic but relevent.

Gardener I would certainly agree in general with you and you are wise to make this observation...but having said that we need to then take a more closer critical look at what is been claimed and written about the body and it's true functions and workings and purpose.

In fact there is not one thing that the body as an organism sustains by itself, or contributes in our consciousness growth. It is basically a robot...and thus a reflection of our state of 'enlightenment'. It is the etheric body which forms the organism from the moment of conception. What Vivek is posting is IMO incorrect as far as how he depicts the workings and connections of the organism to the Self. It is the etheric consciousness that senses not the body. When the etheric body is out of alignment the physical body is affected, when the etheric body disconnects from the body it dies. The consciousness we call physical consciousness is the etheric consciousness not the organism consciousness. The physical organism has no consciousness of it's own.

The 'enlightenment' state of the physical brain and body, together with all the glands etc is a reflection of the etheric body which in turn is a reflection of the state of consciousness which we have achieved.

Of course if we cut off an arm or a leg or are blinded, or if the 'archons' manage to mess with our dna, or implant things into our brain, or if we get fed with GM foods and get cancer, or turn into a zombie....then obviously we will no longer...in that life...be able to further our consciousness growth...and might even be subjected to all kinds of indoctrination...for that life...which would now be considered by the Self as a failed life...but it has not lessened the consciousness state of the true Self...nothing is lost...except opportunities.
This is what the dark lodge/archons are up to a far cry from what Vivek is proposing in his posts.

You cannot even begin to work out the nature of life if you start at the physical because it never started there.

Each incarnation creates a new beginning, with whatever state of etheric body, which includes all the qualities of perception, which is required to best work on the quality we need to perfect. Fiddling with the pineal gland or messing with the physical body, or trying to get clever in this direction will end in failure.

Consciousness is an inside out phenomena...the dna has got nothing to do with it...the configuration of dna is a result of consciousness...it does not cause consciousness.

With Love
Ray

[Jeffrey]

Flash and Finefeather, I completely understand and appreciate what you are saying.

This may be more of a personal caveat in my own journey. What I mean is that I had put some ideas together independently and noticed some patterns in information specific to the theme of this thread (Gnostic idealogies). To find that others had come up with similar ideas and I had not read about hem was exciting for me. Not validating, but rather motivating to pursue it further. The ideas are provisional and ongoing. I really can appreciate what you are saying, but this aspect of it is just something I am trying to understand. It's something that I'm trying to understand out loud here (so it may be a bit clumsy).

I'm not saying that it begins and ends in the brain and therefore it's purely physical. Nor am I undermining the realtity of higher planes of existence by explaining them away as emergent phenomena that are manifested from physical processes that take place in the brain.

I'm not saying that's what you're saying I'm saying either.

I am saying that it's likely that the brain is modelled after the organization of the macrocosmic reality above this one. Therefore, understanding its functions and secrets can shed light on the functions and secrets of a grander play of forces. That's all.

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Stumbled upon this last night. Its by Manly P. Hall and its right along the lines of what I've been posting about. Its called The Ventricles and the Brain Dew. It's only 17 pages and worth the read.



Thanks

[Christine]

Here I will pose some questions and offer some of my rather diffuse musings.

First thank you to Bill, Marin, Vivek, buares, and all the others whose posts contain such a vast amount of well researched information. Information that is the underpinnings of our knowing. We need the information, all of it that has laid undiscovered, withheld or manipulated into falsity. When truth comes pouring in our spirit, body and collective, there comes new life. So I have been reading here, listening to videos, scouring PDFs, finding the nuances of the gnostic texts, basically trying to engage all of my senses.

What I am finding is that while there appears to be contradictions on some level, there is a emerging picture that becomes simpler to understand than I thought possible. What puts a smile on my face is that this simple answer is anything but simple. There is a process that I feel happening, it is some growing ability to take the complexity and distill it down to simplicity. But and it is a BIG BUT, what I feel we need to understand; we expanded into the complex so we could reduce it to a singularity.... they are one within the other.

Now a question, what about the heart? Can we diagram the heart and make the same correlations that are made for the brain? (remembering as above, so below)

Why I ask is because while meditating I feel I am entering the realm of the heart, contemplating the seven seals, seven veils, seven secrets if you will. What I have discovered and it is greatly heartening (pun not intended ) This is the life force, we have no brain, no limbic system, no spinal fluid, no kundalini with out this vital force.

Question, what animates this organ and why do we refer to the sacred heart?

The deeper I go into the heart center I have a strong intuitive sense that the final door will only be opened to those who have cleaned up their house. This means that no matter what is trying to ultimately destroy life will never be allowed to know this secret. The only way to True Knowledge, Gnosis is through the heart portal.

As above, so below... we can find truth in the physical as well as the etheric. It penetrates all realities.

My musings before I run out the door... happy day!

[Flash]

Again, I am coming back with my primary idea in view of deemed scientific data presented in this thread - not talking about archeological discoveries of tranlsation of the Hag Namadi, but about the deduction made based on deemed scientific premises

Yes, Christine, a scientific mind is a scientific mind and will view the world through those glasses, while an artistic mind will view the world throught its glasses for example, and both are different path that may be worthwile, however, the problem is not to be lead astray, with false deductions from either path.

Yes, the heart components are almost always missing in science, even though the science of the heart is starting to be substantial, but having to to with spiritual development, its understanding needing more than science, it has not traced its path to wider acknowledgement yet.

To put it short, I read one post of Carmody in the Here and Now thread that seems to fit perfectly to what I am trying to bring up here:

That is the origins of scientific principle, when done by the engineering mind. The mind that would be a mid level rubber-stamp paper-pusher cleric, in the middle ages.

Bacon's inductivism, vs Descartes Deductive/rationalism. that the engineering mind works from negative projection of deductive reasoning into rationalism, and forces prediction from what has been written before.

It throws away observation in favor of what it knows.

This is not science, it is pure projected emotion, in the form of filtered and 'blind to it's origins' thought formation.

Descartes was trapped in the box and limited himself to the idea of only creating from what is the box.

Whereas Bacon threw the box away and observed, in full awareness that he, as a observation platform, shaped the view, and attempted to compensate for that.

Descartes failed to recognize the internal shaping aspect as projection into the formation of all that follows - for all the wordiness wasted on trying to cover that up. Negative proofing by forcing nature into expectations and projections, and all that.

Bacon was alchemical and Buddhist-open, in comparison.

Bacon's scientific revolution was an open and expanding universe, whereas Descartes' universe was a closed one forced by human desire.

Descartes' universe is doomed to fail, even though it tries to build ever more complex shapes from it's limited box bits. This is why you never let engineering minds drive mental revolutions, as they fold back on themselves.

But they can't see this, so they force as hard as they can for their box and walls, running roughshod over all the rest.

They make an excellent zipperhead warrior (as praetorian guard) for the academic machine.

Descartes ended up existing in projected dogma, not realizing that he did. Thus the appeal of an apparent openness - to the ultimately 'unaware of itself' closed mind. Very comfortable and easy to adopt.

when science has problems it has to retreat to the parent and ask what is going on. it has to retreat to philosophy, it's origin point. Scientific method and science is a minor subset of philosophy. Nothing more. Like all angry children, it does not want to talk to it's parent, it wants to figure out out on it's own. That's fine.

But it needs to understand it's origins.

The more difficult a problem to solve, the more basic, the more fundamental the mistake.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post714424

It is exactly like Descartes saying "Je pense, donc je suis" I think, therefore I am, when it probably should be "Je suis, donc je pense" I am, therefore I think (and even this would not be quite it). You see....??

[johnf]

I enjoy the in depth discussion of the tree of knowledge here.
There were two trees in the garden.
I took a meditation course that used an analogy of the human nervous system as a tree.
I also think Christine's point about the heart being a very important part of our nervous system is a biggie.
The idea here is if you are following duality thinking, are stuck on the intellectual level, or the emotional level only, you are using your "tree" as the tree of knowledge, if you are fully integrated through all your bodies including the physical, you are using it as the tree of knowledge.

I have come to the conclusion that the fruit is what we think we will get out of manipulating minds and emotions, others as well as our own, in order to get things in the lower worlds, physical things, feelings of pride, power over others etc, but to get these things without following a higher purpose, and without respecting the spirit.
And without respecting the further evolution of ourselves and our fellows.

The garden of eden is perhaps the unclearest device in popular christianity, and I am rather confused about the helpfulness of the tree of knowledge, but I think one has to be purified from the higher bodies before chomping on it, but it seems we usually get fed the fruit at a young age, and the purification can even work through that, it is uncomfortable, but in the end it moves us ahead.

The unifying principle is like a sphere whose center is everywhere, and whose periphery is everywhere.
I think that this idea was introduced to us to unify all levels of perception and thought including the emotional, so that they could all rest in that space of awareness first, and then think and act.

jf

[Finefeather]

Hi dear Vivek
You are probably thinking that 'we' – [Flash and I] are the dark forces/archons desperately trying to keep you from the secrets, the holy grail
It is more correctly the other way around...the 'archons' are just loving your efforts and the hours you are wasting on trying to fathom out something which they know is impossible without ONE and only ONE thing...access to higher consciousness...so every second you spend on fathoming out the impossible...by using a consciousness that cannot reach that information...the longer you will be ignorant of the real goal...and no threat to them.

Posted by Vivek (here)
Flash and Finefeather, I completely understand and appreciate what you are saying.

I am therefore sure that you do not "completely understand and appreciate what ['we'] are saying".
Now I am not speaking for Flash, she has more than enough wisdom to speak for herself...

But be sure about this...I have a lot of love for all on this forum, which includes you, and if at all I can help someone's progress by avoid wasting time, without encroaching on their freedom of self realization and freedom of choice, then I surely will.

This is your choice...maybe you do need to go down the dead end tunnel...most intellectuals do, maybe you do need to realize that truth is not found in books...but only in objective consciousness, maybe you do need to realize how little we really know.

You yourself say:

Posted by Vivek (here)
This may be more of a personal caveat in my own journey. What I mean is that I had put some ideas together independently and noticed some patterns in information specific to the theme of this thread (Gnostic idealogies). To find that others had come up with similar ideas and I had not read about hem was exciting for me. Not validating, but rather motivating to pursue it further. The ideas are provisional and ongoing. I really can appreciate what you are saying, but this aspect of it is just something I am trying to understand. It's something that I'm trying to understand out loud here (so it may be a bit clumsy).

So why subject others to the same path and to your errors?

Why not sit quietly and give us some of your own inner understanding of the situation and leave the research papers behind for a while...or until you have cracked the code

I have always appreciated it much more when people write and express their own experience and knowledge. It seems to have more presence...and I know that there is a time and place for everything.

Love to you
Ray

[Freed Fox]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
You are probably thinking that 'we' – [Flash and I] are the dark forces/archons desperately trying to keep you from the secrets, the holy grail

Maybe you were only joking about that, but if not; in no way did Vivek even imply such a sentiment, so far as I can tell.

Posted by Finefeather (here)
It is more correctly the other way around...the 'archons' are just loving your efforts and the hours you are wasting on trying to fathom out something which they know is impossible without ONE and only ONE thing...access to higher consciousness...

This seems rather uncalled for, and just because Vivek does not exhibit the kind of rigid certainty that you do does not mean he is out of touch with his higher consciousness.

Posted by Finefeather (here)
So why subject others to the same path and to your errors?

He is not subjecting anyone to anything. If he was, he would be posting this research in every thread in which it was even remotely relevant, or making a new thread about it on a weekly basis. If you find no value in his posts, you can merely bypass them and look elsewhere. I for one value Vivek's intelligence and enthusiastic efforts. His sharing of research and resources is in an effort to clarify where he is coming from, and allow others to draw their own connections from the dots he's gathering.

I value your contributions too Finefeather, but your dismissal above seems inflexibly dogmatic and somewhat disrespectful.

[Flash]

Excuuuuuse me Freed Fox, I had quite a few conversations with Vivek and he knows very well how much I appreciate him and how my heart wants to support him all along.

You are right, he did not ask for this, I do not have to do it, less pushing my comments on him. Up to him to take them or not.. I still think however that he deserves the best feedback I can give, plainly because he can make the steps forward, in my opinion. I hold him respectfully up with this high potential.

And no, I will not bypass his posts, I do think he deserves my respect by me reading them. You see Freed Fox, even though it is not appearant here, nowadays, I used to be acutely intellectual, this is precisely why I appreciate where he comes from. It took me thirty years to change the path I was on, if I can spare him a few years, I see it as a heartful service.
Now, up to him to read me or not, he is entirely free. I would still love him and care for him and appreciate him.

Now, Freed Fox, what in my post made it difficult for you?? (vivek is much able to talk for himself). I would very much like to know if you do not mind.

[Delight]

This is about Vivek's work (and anyone's approach) and Fine Feather suggested:

So why subject others to the same path and to your errors?

Why not sit quietly and give us some of your own inner understanding of the situation and leave the research papers behind for a while...or until you have cracked the code

I want to bring in the fractal aspect that anything reflects everything. The brain may actually reflect all that Vivek is researching and for him will be the exact perfect way to crack the nut. In the mean time, I am happy that he shares it and expresses here as it reminded ME of this very basic understanding: fractal pattern.

Patterns reiterate. Fractals are the products of reiterative processes. The product of a simple multiplication is fed into a new operation. As a result, self-similar structures appear. This can be observed in many living organisms, where the splitting and continuous reproduction of cells generates self-similar patterns (cardiovascular system, neural networks, structure of the lung, trees, their branches and their leaves, etc.)

Peter Champoux (http://www.geometryofplace.com/index.html)has studied the way that just like any being, GAIA reiterates with her mountains, rivers, ley lines, weather and etc. That is why Gaia might create a pyramid shaped hill or arrange things in geometric symmetry. Victor Schauberger studied the forest and the streams and fish to understand the workings of advanced science of water and propulsion. Beetles wings levitate. Many remarkable mysteries are solved by intellectually examining.

And it is probably also the way we arrange cities like this amazing system. There is an alignment with a naturalpower spot Pilot Mountain that informs many US important cities....It is both conscious and unconscious.....





But it is all the same everywhere underneath... the same kind of geometries of wholeness in all reiterations: cell, the organs, the people, the landscape and the heavens arranged with purpose, organization and meaningfulness. LIFE is also changing assumptions around too. If we keep looking heavens and the grain of sand speak So deep that we get silent.

In the mean time, it is intellectually stimulating to thoughty people to pursue the examination. It's all good now in the "study" and the expressing incomplete understanding and later when nothing is left to say.

I have been absolutely furiously frustrated by people in my life who knowing what THEY know, want ME to approach it their way.
I believe that this is such an INCREDIBLE experience that ANY where we look, we see the all in the one and the one in the all.
Then we are asked to make it mean something for us so we can have value fulfillment.
SO LET ME DO IT MY WAY! is the clarion call.

I am curious, maybe we are all in parallel play?
I feel like Vivek is inviting parallel play.
We might share back and forth but he is taking his unique approach.

[Flash]

We are all here inviting parallell play Delight. I personnally, I find the intellect to be a very powerfull tool, when appropriately used. What I am telling here is take the scientific mind, the thoroid of it, and inverse it, it my lead to greater results.

The other thing is take the heart into it. I decided in my twenties that my head was to be in service to my heart, and my heart in service to others, not the other way around, which I have seen often. This was my path, but hey, my ex husband took the other path (he is my ex lol) and he is allowed to do so.

It is funny but I think that we will come to something beautiful, a kind of synthesis, if we continue discussing this way, we all have the pièces of the puzzle, maybe we can try to fit them toghether by accepting to see from the others' eyes and feel the same as our neighbour (empathy).

And yes, we are all part of ti in this parallel play, parallell to what is usual in our societies (just thinking that this high level discussion is from Texas, Eastern Canada, South Africa, Oregon, Equator, just that is absolutely extraordinary).

[Jeffrey]

Freed,

I appreciate you sticking up for me man! Finefeather has a point, I've been thinking it may be better to keep my musings in my journal where I can work through the ideas better before posting them. This way some of the posts won't be so clumsy and contradictory (i.e. with erroneous thoughts). Although Finefeather may suggest that a journal won't save me from error (and I would agree).

It's a confusing topic due to all of the disinformation. I'm not preaching, I'm searching. Separating the Truth from the garbage is what I want to do more than anything. Thanks again Freed, you're great.

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Finefeather,

I wasn't thinking any of that (I caught the sarcasm with the winky face though, so I don't think you think I think that). I meant what I said.

I agree, the Truth can't be found in books. My favorite saying regarding your point is from Ramakrishna. Something like this -- the almanac forecasts the rainfall for the year, but not one drop of water will you get by squeezing the almanac.

I'm picking through the Gnostic material (namely from the Naasenes, the Peratae, and the Nag Hammadi Codex) and trying to decipher what they were trying to say. I am confused, I will admit.

I also think the imagination is a powerful tool. I am aware of your concern about untrained minds using their imagination to try and figure things out. In reality, this leads to muddier waters. I have an untrained mind and a big imagination. It has it's pros and cons I guess. I've said time and again that these views are provisional and ongoing.

Lots of material for me to digest. I'm also aware that I need to do more work, as in practice, of what I read. I'm still trying to decipher the manual. I'll get there though.

You yourself said:

Posted by Finefeather (here)
The main thing that counts is what we get out of someone's writing, or utterances. If we consider the level of consciousness which we are individually at, then for some the smallest bit...the most meagre bit...of information, by anyone, even the tramp lying in the gutter, can resonate and be beneficial to our growth. So we can and will find a lot of very real helpful information in just about any literature we read...depending on our current level of our awareness.

I enjoyed that quote and thought it felt true.

And I will crack this chestnut! One way or another.

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Flash,

I think Freed was speaking to the post Finefeather made, and not to your commentary. It's all good.

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Thanks you all.

Love,

Vivek

[Freed Fox]

Vivek's right Flash, I wasn't taking issue with your posts or approach. Sorry if it seemed that way...

Now it may be time for a

Edit to add; any time Vivek.

[johnf]

Posted by Flash (here)
You see Freed Fox, even though it is not appearant here, nowadays, I used to be acutely intellectual, this is precisely why I appreciate where he comes from. It took me thirty years to change the path I was on, if I can spare him a few years, I see it as a heartful service.

Thank you Flash, this reminds me that I still struggle with this myself, and tend to judge myself at a time where I was trying to analyze, analytically prove everything to others etc. That was my process at that time, and it is by no means a label on anyone else.
Ithink there is a very necesary stage for most modern people , where one sits down and tries to break everything apart.
In my case it usually turns out to be both a defensive act by my ego after it has been over looked in favor of something more whole.
At one point though I was urged by a mentor to just remember times when I was guided by sometihng higher, where there was divine intervention in my life that changed the course of it.
That power needs no analysis or justification, the little self however can't seem to survive without some of that.
This was an important step for me, and maybe I shy away from some of the more rigourusly complex stuff on this forum because I am afraid of back sliding,also perhaps when one brings the simplicity of the soul, and spirit to the complexities of life on the physical plane that is where the real progress begins.

Threads like this are a delightful way to not only look at things a different way, but to acknowledge the
beauty inherent in wherever each of us are on the subject.
The toughest thing for me to really practice these days is to see how wherever I or someone else is
at in the moment, that is the exact step they are one, and it can lead to the next.

jf

[Delight]

Posted by Flash (here)
We are all here inviting parallell play Delight. I personnally, I find the intellect to be a very powerfull tool, when appropriately used. What I am telling here is take the scientific mind, the thoroid of it, and inverse it, it my lead to greater results.

The other thing is take the heart into it. I decided in my twenties that my head was to be in service to my heart, and my heart in service to others, not the other way around, which I have seen often. This was my path, but hey, my ex husband took the other path (he is my ex lol) and he is allowed to do so.

It is funny but I think that we will come to something beautiful, a kind of synthesis, if we continue discussing this way, we all have the pièces of the puzzle, maybe we can try to fit them toghether by accepting to see from the others' eyes and feel the same as our neighbour (empathy).

And yes, we are all part of ti in this parallel play, parallell to what is usual in our societies (just thinking that this high level discussion is from Texas, Eastern Canada, South Africa, Oregon, Equator, just that is absolutely extraordinary).

Isn't this just truly amazing that we are all in connection through Avalon. And when you said "parallel to what is usual in society" my heart bumped. My kind of play is to collect perspectives and apply what I like to my POV. personally I learned something from Vivek.... Archons may mess with the mental apparatus but will have a hard time because the heart has no need of a pineal viewpoint.

There are backdoors in every fractal for fulfillment of consciousness intention and the heart trumps brain when you start to relax the grasp of figuring things out. HEHE. I love my own mental thoughty persuasion anyway.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Christine (here)
Here I will pose some questions and offer some of my rather diffuse musings.

First thank you to Bill, Marin, Vivek, buares, and all the others whose posts contain such a vast amount of well researched information. Information that is the underpinnings of our knowing. We need the information, all of it that has laid undiscovered, withheld or manipulated into falsity. When truth comes pouring in our spirit, body and collective, there comes new life. So I have been reading here, listening to videos, scouring PDFs, finding the nuances of the gnostic texts, basically trying to engage all of my senses.

What I am finding is that while there appears to be contradictions on some level, there is a emerging picture that becomes simpler to understand than I thought possible. What puts a smile on my face is that this simple answer is anything but simple. There is a process that I feel happening, it is some growing ability to take the complexity and distill it down to simplicity. But and it is a big But that I feel we need to understand, we expanded into the complex so we could reduce it to a singularity.... they are one within the other.

Now a question, what about the heart? Can we diagram the heart and make the same correlations that are made for the brain? (remembering as above, so below)

Why I ask is because while meditating I feel I am entering the realm of the heart, contemplating the seven seals, seven veils, seven secrets if you will. What I have discovered and it is greatly heartening (pun not intended ) This is the life force, we have no brain, no limbic system, no spinal fluid, no kundalini with out this vital force.

Question, what animates this organ and why do we refer to the sacred heart?

The deeper I go into the heart center I have a strong intuitive sense that the final door will only be opened to those who have cleaned up their house. This means that no matter what is trying to ultimately destroy life will never be allowed to know this secret. The only way to True Knowledge, Gnosis is through the heart portal.

As above, so below... we can find truth in the physical as well as the etheric. It penetrates all realities.

My musings before I run out the door... happy day!

Hi Christine

A psychologist who was for 40 years an Occultist did an experiment with his audience when he was giving lectures, and he always asked all of the audience to point at anything or anyone with whatever they wanted to point with, meaning with the arms, legs head, body, anything, and every time after the pointing session was ended, he asked all of the to point at yourself, apart from one or two people who pointed to their heads, always 99.9% automatically without hesitation pointed straight to their hearts, you my dear reside in your heart, we all do, that's where your spirit resides.

Regards

roman

[johnf]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Posted by Christine (here)
Here I will pose some questions and offer some of my rather diffuse musings.

First thank you to Bill, Marin, Vivek, buares, and all the others whose posts contain such a vast amount of well researched information. Information that is the underpinnings of our knowing. We need the information, all of it that has laid undiscovered, withheld or manipulated into falsity. When truth comes pouring in our spirit, body and collective, there comes new life. So I have been reading here, listening to videos, scouring PDFs, finding the nuances of the gnostic texts, basically trying to engage all of my senses.

What I am finding is that while there appears to be contradictions on some level, there is a emerging picture that becomes simpler to understand than I thought possible. What puts a smile on my face is that this simple answer is anything but simple. There is a process that I feel happening, it is some growing ability to take the complexity and distill it down to simplicity. But and it is a big But that I feel we need to understand, we expanded into the complex so we could reduce it to a singularity.... they are one within the other.

Now a question, what about the heart? Can we diagram the heart and make the same correlations that are made for the brain? (remembering as above, so below)

Why I ask is because while meditating I feel I am entering the realm of the heart, contemplating the seven seals, seven veils, seven secrets if you will. What I have discovered and it is greatly heartening (pun not intended ) This is the life force, we have no brain, no limbic system, no spinal fluid, no kundalini with out this vital force.

Question, what animates this organ and why do we refer to the sacred heart?

The deeper I go into the heart center I have a strong intuitive sense that the final door will only be opened to those who have cleaned up their house. This means that no matter what is trying to ultimately destroy life will never be allowed to know this secret. The only way to True Knowledge, Gnosis is through the heart portal.

As above, so below... we can find truth in the physical as well as the etheric. It penetrates all realities.

My musings before I run out the door... happy day!

Hi Christine

A psychologist who was for 40 years an Occultist did an experiment with his audience when he was giving lectures, and he always asked all of the audience to point at anything or anyone with whatever they wanted to point with, meaning with the arms, legs head, body, anything, and every time after the pointing session was ended, he asked all of the to point at yourself, apart from one or two people who pointed to their heads, always 99.9% automatically without hesitation pointed straight to their hearts, you my dear reside in your heart, we all do, that's where your spirit resides.

Regards

roman

I had an amusing experience reading your story Roman, When i tried to point to myself I used my hand and my arm and kind of waved it in a circle to show it is everywhere,then I read your comment about residing in the heart, and hung out with the idea that that really does seem to be the interface point for a human of the infinite, and the finite.

jf