Near-death experiences are 'electrical surge in dying brain'.......( From tests on Rodents )

[Cidersomerset]

13 August 2013 Last updated at 01:04


Near-death experiences are 'electrical surge in dying brain'Comments Morelle

Science reporter, BBC World Service

ECG (electrocardiogram) trace Near-death survivors have reported seeing bright
white lights and having out-of-body experiences Continue reading the main story
Related Stories
Bringing people back from the dead
Near-death experience 'in mind'
New light on near-death flashes

A surge of electrical activity in the brain could be responsible for the vivid experiences
described by near-death survivors, scientists report. A study carried out on dying rats
found high levels of brainwaves at the point of the animals' demise.US researchers said
that in humans this could give rise to a heightened state of consciousness.

The research is published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The lead author of the study, Dr Jimo Borjigin, of the University of Michigan, said: "A lot
of people thought that the brain after clinical death was inactive or hypoactive, with less
activity than the waking state, and we show that is definitely not the case.

"If anything, it is much more active during the dying process than even the waking state."

Consciousness
University of Birmingham

From bright white lights to out-of-body sensations and feelings of life flashing before
their eyes, the experiences reported by people who have come close to death but
survived are common the world over.

However, studying this in humans is a challenge, and these visions are little understood.

To find out more, scientists at the University of Michigan monitored nine rats as they
were dying.

In the 30-second period after the animal's hearts stopped beating, they measured a
sharp increase in high-frequency brainwaves called gamma oscillations.These pulses are
one of the neuronal features that are thought to underpin consciousness in humans,
especially when they help to "link" information from different parts of the brain.
In the rats, these electrical pulses were found at even higher levels just after the
cardiac arrest than when animals were awake and well.

Dr Borjigin said it was feasible that the same thing would happen in the human brain,
and that an elevated level of brain activity and consciousness could give rise to near-
death visions.




Neurons Neurons in the brain may go into overdrive around the point of death
"This can give us a framework to begin to explain these. The fact they see light perhaps
indicates the visual cortex in the brain is highly activated - and we have evidence to
suggest this might be the case, because we have seen increased gamma in area of the
brain that is right on top of the visual cortex," she said.

"We have seen increased coupling between the lower-frequency waves and the gamma
that has been shown to be a feature of visual awareness and visual sensation."

However, she said that to confirm the findings a study would have to be carried out on
humans who have experienced clinical death and have been revived.

Commenting on the research, Dr Jason Braithwaite, of the University of Birmingham,
said the phenomenon appeared to be the brain's "last hurrah".

"This is a very neat demonstration of an idea that's been around for a long time: that
under certain unfamiliar and confusing circumstances - like near-death - the brain
becomes overstimulated and hyperexcited," he said.

Striking
"Like 'fire raging through the brain', activity can surge through brain areas involved in
conscious experience, furnishing all resultant perceptions with realer-than-real feelings
and emotions."

But he added: "One limitation is that we do not know when, in time, the near-death
experience really occurs. Perhaps it was before patients had anaesthesia, or at some
safe point during an operation long before cardiac arrest.

"However, for those instances where experiences may occur around the time of cardiac
arrest - or beyond it - these new findings provide further meat to the bones of the idea
that the brain drives these fascinating and striking experiences"

Dr Chris Chambers, of Cardiff University, said: "This is an interesting and well-
conducted piece of research. We know precious little about brain activity during death,
let alone conscious brain activity. These findings open the door to further studies in
humans.

"[But] we should be extremely cautious before drawing any conclusions about human
near-death experiences: it is one thing to measure brain activity in rats during cardiac
arrest, and quite another to relate that to human experience."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23672150


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=95bGPDsgkW8

Published on 12 Aug 2013


U.S. scientists found something happens at the brink of death that pushes the
conscious brain to a high level of arousal, potentially triggering visionsThe study is
the first to take a systematic look at the neurophysiological state of the dying brain
after a cardiac arrestAs many as a fifth of people who survive cardiac arrests report
having had an other-worldly experience while being 'clinically' dead

Some believe they have caught a glimpse of the afterlife, others claim to have
floated above their body, watching as medics save their lives.But the reality of near-
death experiences may be much more prosaic.Research suggests that far from
being a brush with the afterlife, they are caused by a rush of electrical activity in
the dying brain.In experiments on rats whose hearts had stopped, the pattern of
activity was similar to that seen when the animals were fully conscious.

[markpierre]

50 out of 50 dead people didn't come back and tell them they were wrong. They don't get those kinds of results very often.

[greybeard]

I dont think Dr Eben Alexander Neuro surgeon, who had a NDE, would agree.
Several of his videos on u tube and his book on Amazon.

Chris

[Corncrake]

I have received so many links to this today as many friends know of my interest in this area. So what if there is an electrical surge at this time ... on a physiological level that may well be true but it does not explain how people are able to repeat conversations overhead in other rooms or images seen well away from their 'dead' body.

I have read many highly credible accounts of NDE's but Eben Alexander's is one of the most interesting and reliable because of his training as a scientist.

[ceetee9]

As usual, mainstream science cherry-picks the data they can provide a plausible explanation for and ignores the data they haven't a clue about--like trying to explain how a burst of electrical activity in the brain can account for the NDE patient relating verbatim conversations of doctors down the hall or loved ones thousands of miles away while the patient was clinically dead.

[Jake]

This is laughable,,, sorry! They have been trying to disprove consciousness for thousands of years. Any electrical signal recorded at the time of death does not CAUSE the NDE,,, it is CAUSED BY the NDE. I had a sleep study once where I was hooked up to 45 leads, that recorded every electrical signal possible. I had OBE activity and sleep paralysis activity, and it WAS NOT INDICATED with the 'electrical' signals. Sorry, science is desperately trying to disprove consciousness, and they are failing. The microtubulars that process 'thought' are akin to QUANTOM COMPUTERS AT THE PLANK SCALE!!! These kids do NOT have that kind of technology. If simple electrical signals are able to explain NDE, then we should have artificial intelligence with no more than a small battery!!!

I remember when some scientist came out with the 'GOD HELMET' Sorry, it makes sense if you DON'T think about it.

My apologies to the OP,, It is an excellent discussion, one that can make you think, but we cannot pretend that consciousness has anything to do with 'electrical signals'. Long ago, people used to believe that it was 'breath' that determined life/consciousness. They were wrong too!

Just my opinion, sorry if it is a bit abrasive..

Jake.

[Cidersomerset]

I dont think Dr Eben Alexander Neuro surgeon, who had a NDE, would agree.
Several of his videos on u tube and his book on Amazon.

Chris

I agree Chris theres an awful lot we just don't know..........Though
we all have our ideas or intuitions.

Posted on a previous thread....



I am not religious, but I have never thought this is all there is ,and after listening to
the Ion material, and various near death experiencers. The fact that the 'elite' have
always talked to the other side for information it seems this is only a illusion.

Now is this a holographic universe construct developed from our collective
consciousness ?

Are the beings on the other side and in multiple parallel worlds us ? Aliens or
entities ?

There are many Q & A and each of us as individual 'gods' can believe whatever they
want in their own reality. I am happy in Bob and ions explanation, but whether its
true or not I will have to wait and see ..LOL..

I have put up several threads on this fascinating aspect of our eternal
experience.....and related topics.



Dr. Eben Alexander...Proof of Aterlife....Coast 2 Coast..& .. Afterlife TV interview
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-TV-interview

Bob Nevritts ....'Evergreens' Special with Ellie & Howard
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...h-Ellie-Howard

Timothy Leary Channelled Thru the 'Evergeens' in 1996....
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...rgeens-in-1996....

What the Illuminati Know about ET's & Human evolution.....
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...uman-evolution.....

The Holographic Universe....
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...aphic-Universe....

David Icke - The Holographic Illusion of Reality
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ion-of-Reality

[Calz]

I held off ... but since Jake put it out there ...

... seriously


(... so how does measuring electrical activity in the brain explain what many having such experiences share about what they witnessed that would be totally impossible without leaving their bodies??? So many examples.)

[DeDukshyn]

Since when does correlation = cause? lol, the faults of science ...

[Veiled Rain]

EEG spikes can be recorded when someone flat lines(electrical conductivity does give a surge just prior to a type of extreme event)--they could say it is the fight or flight response that physiologically takes control of the body.
According to the research done on rats--the most prominent recording thus far has been in the visual cortex region--what they are presupposing might-just might be the reason for the seeing of a white light.

For some reason scientific study seems to need to take credit for every phenomenon. Is it perchance to do with the human ego?
Somethings are metaphysical and have a non-scientific base--they just occur---it is a distinct appearance that has been happening world wide--not just in western culture:--the NDE


It belongs to a different realm than earth bound sciences---it is dimensional and transitory--not everything in life has to have a conclusive discernment and inference blessed by the scientific community--they could be just as much faltering in their practices as the rest of us.

Or they may be on to something--but either way RATS?-a rat does not have the capacity of speech to validate or refute the claims
The scientific community has always had a problem with anything spiritual--their hypothesis--Everything should be explainable in Concrete and well Defined Scientific Terms.

[ghostrider]

all the machines in the world cannot pick up spiritual energy , that's where real living is , not the energy from the container ... scientist won't touch spiritual matters because they can't put it in a box wrapped with a nice bow so they can sleep at night ... to all the scientist out there = free your mind ...

[Dennis Leahy]

Obviously authored by someone who has never had an NDE/OBE. I have.

This is like a guy writing about menstrual cramps or a "white"-skinned person writing about the experience of being "black."

Hogwash. Poppycock. Balderdash.

Dennis

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by Jake (here)
This is laughable,,, sorry! They have been trying to disprove consciousness for thousands of years. Any electrical signal recorded at the time of death does not CAUSE the NDE,,, it is CAUSED BY the NDE. I had a sleep study once where I was hooked up to 45 leads, that recorded every electrical signal possible. I had OBE activity and sleep paralysis activity, and it WAS NOT INDICATED with the 'electrical' signals. Sorry, science is desperately trying to disprove consciousness, and they are failing. The microtubulars that process 'thought' are akin to QUANTOM COMPUTERS AT THE PLANK SCALE!!! These kids do NOT have that kind of technology. If simple electrical signals are able to explain NDE, then we should have artificial intelligence with no more than a small battery!!!

I remember when some scientist came out with the 'GOD HELMET' Sorry, it makes sense if you DON'T think about it.

My apologies to the OP,, It is an excellent discussion, one that can make you think, but we cannot pretend that consciousness has anything to do with 'electrical signals'. Long ago, people used to believe that it was 'breath' that determined life/consciousness. They were wrong too!

Just my opinion, sorry if it is a bit abrasive..

Jake.

Not abrasive at all, Jake. Ringing truth.

Dennis

[Mark]

Not all scientists are seeking to disprove consciousness, as we all know.

Just those who are convinced that the actual physical material of the brain is the source of consciousness "activity".

They believe in nothing beyond the physical. And so they cannot conceive of a soul being separate from the body. Their research reflects this limitation of their thought processes.

And, for them, perhaps this is so. It remains an understated potentiality that not every human on this planet has the capacity to even have higher consciousness/spiritual experiences.

For those who cannot? Perhaps this is indeed all there is at this point in their energetic development.

[Orph]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
It remains an understated potentiality that not every human on this planet has the capacity to even have higher consciousness/spiritual experiences.

For those who cannot? Perhaps this is indeed all there is at this point in their energetic development.

I must be in this group of people.

[NancyV]

There is just no way we'll be able to explain color to a blind person or an NDE to a scientist with no knowledge of or belief in the soul. My first reaction reading the article was to heave a sigh and laugh a bit while shaking my head. There's really no point in arguing with those who have scientific theories and no first hand experience.

I had the pleasure of dying (NDE) in childbirth. It was awesome and I sure as heck did NOT want to come back into the body. I laughed for several days after the experience because it was so blissful. Since I had spent the 4 years before this birth consciously travelling out of body I did not have a life review nor see a tunnel with a light. Experiences like that happened early on in my out of body travels. With the NDE I was instantly transported to a place where we were all telepathic bubbles of energy. It was nothing at all related to human life. I only remembered that I had been human as I "heard" the plan that I was to go back. I came back into my body yelling "NO NO NO, I don't WANT to go back!!!" and I was laughing! It wasn't so bad being back as to me it seemed that I had been gone for eternity, but I definitely was sort of pushed back into my body resisting all the way.

The whole experience was fantastic and funny and it sure as heck was not just "electrical surges in a dying brain".

[apokalypse]

using their knowledge and current science to explain stuff that is out of their current paradigm, if things that can't be explain then they call it paranormal or unexplainable...

[ajyana]

just one of the "theories"

[161803398]

Its the Straussians,again. They think that humans are elaborate sponges that's why it means nothing to kill them. They've gotten into everything, including science.

[cursichella1]

I was thinking that Kirlian or GDP photography might disprove or at least nullify the "electrical surge" claim, but I'm having trouble coming up with actual before, during and after death examples of this. I wonder why more hasn't been documented on this, or maybe I'm not looking in the right places? Anyway, this comes close:

[IMG]http://api.ning.com/files/6msjPrywKDMj7IMhlMrIk6c2peZhiQ9k8airjzomUY-*G5TGaIZoJLS2UvStX05qKAc1ajXygJ6JskRsuVlXQ3ZfSmKO57jC/deathmomentpicliferu473321134.jpg[/IMG]

http://www.esotericonline.net/m/blog...gPost%3A424024

Does anyone know of better images?

P.s. just saw the thread on the quantum resonance magnetic analyzer.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...alyzer--Video-

Maybe that could pick up the spirit/soul leaving the physical body???

[Adi]

Hi,

Its interesting that the study has claimed to understand the reason for NDE, but there is an important point here, the study only carried out research on mice who were in cardiac arrest, there is numerous cases in the literature of people having NDE, who were not in cardiac arrest, thus meaning the brain and its blood/oxygen supply was not compromised, witch is what they are basing the evidence off to explain the NDE.

I don't believe this experiment carries the capacity to disprove such an mysterious occurrence.


Adi