'Hidden Hand' - claimed Illuminati insider, 2008

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I am now reading the HH material again for the 6th time and i have to say it is so spot on. It resonates so in its intelligence.

The refrence to Saturn is a big one to take note of. Saturnia is the planet of Law and govenment. Its all finally making sence.

Hmmm


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[Ultima Thule]

For the sake of argument I'd consider it possible that the notion by David Wilcock meeting the writer of the account, denying the authenticity, being the logical, by the book thing to do. Tell it like it is to create grounds for freedom of choice. At the same time deny it, also supporting the reality of the sceptical person and freedom to choose HH account be bs?

UT

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
For the sake of argument I'd consider it possible that the notion by David Wilcock meeting the writer of the account, denying the authenticity, being the logical, by the book thing to do. Tell it like it is to create grounds for freedom of choice. At the same time deny it, also supporting the reality of the sceptical person and freedom to choose HH account be bs?

UT

You are free to believe that. Just as sometimes people believe stories on the The Onion, figuring "Wouldn't it be the perfect cover for truth telling? To blatantly publish it as satire??" If you want to believe something, nothing will dissuade you. From what I read, Wilcock seems completely convinced it was a hoax, and I'm sure he's thought about it in every way possible. Perhaps you could write him privately on his site and get it straight from the horse's mouth the exact circumstances behind it.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

This is exactly what im talking about.

We want confirmation of scource before we fly blindly into belief. This IS the very thing thats putting people down the wrong road. It dosent matter who the author is or who thinks he is real or what david wilcox thinks .. all that is superflous to the " message ". The words theauthor wrote are highly intelligent writings and in that things can be learnedand inspired. Thats all that matters.

Naniu

[Kalamos]

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[Flash]

I just started to read the hyzoloic stuff on Laurency site, and I enjoyed, but the site went down. I do not know if it is permanently or not, but right now, it is not accessible at all.

I Wonder where else I could find his writings since most of his books are not re edited and are no more.

And what about the site, how do we know what is happening?

[lookbeyond]

Posted by Flash (here)
I just started to read the hyzoloic stuff on Laurency site, and I enjoyed, but the site went down. I do not know if it is permanently or not, but right now, it is not accessible at all.

I Wonder where else I could find his writings since most of his books are not re edited and are no more.

And what about the site, how do we know what is happening?

Hey Flash ive got it all saved on PDF tho i am at a loss how to send it anywhere, Finefeather may be able to assist you!,lb

[Ultima Thule]

I read through the ATS-thread with "Initiate" - a loooot of text ☕

Initiate-character had an air a bit similar to HH about him, also eerily similar(not the same person I am sure though) to the Edward Alexander character who got the boot from here when he denied his clear intention of profiting from the traffic he was trying to create.

There was certainly moments where Initiate was very credible. On the other hand he dropped the proverbial ball several times and succumbed in essence to name calling.

Very unfortunate is that precisely when the Initiate was - according to his own words - about to release profound information he claimed he and his unnamed order was in possession of - the thread was closed. Apparently something was found out about him that was a lie. Thread was then deemed a hoax. In my opinion it left anyone reading with an open mind comfortably(?) sitting on the fence. There perhaps is something in that character, but this Jekyll-Hyde thing he had going on, was disturbing.

UT

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[Ultima Thule]

The Initiate was a controversial character, it even felt like different people were writing his posts.

HenryB, how about you put up a thread about hylozoics, I for one would be very interested to read about it.

UT

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[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
This is exactly what im talking about.

We want confirmation of scource before we fly blindly into belief. This IS the very thing thats putting people down the wrong road. It dosent matter who the author is or who thinks he is real or what david wilcox thinks .. all that is superflous to the " message ". The words theauthor wrote are highly intelligent writings and in that things can be learnedand inspired. Thats all that matters.

Naniu

Maybe I should think about doing a hoax like the HH, because I have some messages I'd like to get across to people. But apparently they will only get wide circulation if one is clever enough to serve those messages up on a giant platter of lies.

[Anchor]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Maybe I should think about doing a hoax like the HH, because I have some messages I'd like to get across to people. But apparently they will only get wide circulation if one is clever enough to serve those messages up on a giant platter of lies.

Go on, do it

Seriously, do it here on this thread. Brace yourself though... we may be able to help you refine your technique through a somewhat harsh and focused critique!

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[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Maybe I should think about doing a hoax like the HH, because I have some messages I'd like to get across to people. But apparently they will only get wide circulation if one is clever enough to serve those messages up on a giant platter of lies.

Go on, do it

Seriously, do it here on this thread. Brace yourself though... we may be able to help you refine your technique through a somewhat harsh and focused critique!

No, I was being facetious. I would never do that. I'm not interested in anything but the unvarnished truth.

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[RunningDeer]

Posted by Flash (here)
I just started to read the hyzoloic stuff on Laurency site, and I enjoyed, but the site went down. I do not know if it is permanently or not, but right now, it is not accessible at all.

I Wonder where else I could find his writings since most of his books are not re edited and are no more.

And what about the site, how do we know what is happening?

I check these five links, Flash:

Hylozoik Studies - Check here first, It'll take you to 10 different languages, including French.
Henry T. Laurency main site

These were provided by Ray:

1. The Planetary Hierarchy
   
2. Gnostics
   
3. The Black Lodge

[Anchor]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
No, I was being facetious. I would never do that. I'm not interested in anything but the unvarnished truth.

Me to, but there is a complication.

Except for the fact that it is known for oneself, there is no unvarnished truth that can be told.

"The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao"

Thus, the stage is set for the big play that enables shenanigans such as HH, the Bible, the Qu'ran and other big-name holy works, also such things as The Law of One, David Wilcock's utterances, yours, mine, others etc to be uttered and submitted for the discernment of each and every reader with possibly different outcomes for each.

Seek and ye shall find (but not right away!)

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
No, I was being facetious. I would never do that. I'm not interested in anything but the unvarnished truth.

Me to, but there is a complication.

Except for the fact that it is known for oneself, there is no unvarnished truth that can be told.

"The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao"

The eternal, ultimate truth, no. Relative truths, yes. Some statements are actually facts.

Thus, the stage is set for the big play that enables shenanigans such as HH, the Bible, the Qu'ran and other big-name holy works, also such things as The Law of One, David Wilcock's utterances, yours, mine, others etc to be uttered and submitted for the discernment of each and every reader with possibly different outcomes for each.

Seek and ye shall find (but not right away!)

I would say that the HH may be true in the sense of the Picasso quote, "Art is a lie that tells the truth." Maybe it's a new artform native to the newfangled internet landscape. A new form of fiction. However, if the artist does not come out at some point and admit it was a lie, it tends to just muddy the waters for truthseekers.