Prayer Research - Goal vs Nongoal Prayer

[ThresholdRising]

Hi everyone, I found a great coast to coast session about research done on prayer. I thought that the results were brilliant and may lead to a lot off positivity and more focused results when praying.

I believe that a lot of Avalonians may benefit from this information, especially at this time.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=je64DwsMAPg

About the show:

John B. Wells was joined by prayer researcher, Bill Sweet, for a discussion on scientific laboratory tests he's conducted to measure the good and bad motivations of prayer and the effectiveness of asking for help from above. He opined that understanding the power of prayer can be difficult because humans live in a material world and often focus on effect rather than cause. To that end, he likened prayer to a "non-material metaphysical power" and used the metaphor of lifting a 500 pound box by way of a lever. He noted that, in this example, neither the person nor the lever actually perform the task, since leverage is the force which does the lifting. "It's in another dimension and its operating in a way that we can see it in our dimension," he said, of both leverage and, ultimately, prayer.

Sweet detailed how his research has indicated that there are two distinct forms of prayer and that one is far more powerful than the other. The first type is "goal-directed prayer," which occurs when a person prays for a specific outcome. Contrasting this, he said, is "non goal-directed prayer," where the intended result is simply "what is best for the situation." According to Sweet, this second type of prayer sees stronger effects because it instills order into a situation rather than attempting to manipulate the outcome. He contended that "non goal-directing prayer actually sends mending effects out" and cause the situation to come to an ideal conclusion. When praying without an intended outcome, he observed, "it's the unexpected that you expect."

"It's easier to have a wrong thought in a prayer than a right one," Sweet suggested, "because a lot of people are praying amiss." To that end, he cited instances where studies of the effects of prayers on plants resulted in the targets being damaged by inadvertent, albeit well intentioned, thoughts. This accidental manipulation in the wrong direction, he said, is one of the dangers of goal-directed prayers. Additionally, Sweet revealed that his lab has studied the power of negative thought, which showed the ability to kill the plant. "This is scary stuff," he mused, "the power of thought." Sweet was so convinced of the immense power of prayer that he put forward the idea that "the really good prayers of the world are helping to hold a thin veneer on civilization" and, without it, society could collapse.

Website:

http://www.spindriftresearch.org


Hope it helps bring a bit of clarity to what works in prayer and hopefully improve the prayers of those interested.

Thanks again,

[northstar]

Posted by ThresholdRising (here)

Sweet detailed how his research has indicated that there are two distinct forms of prayer and that one is far more powerful than the other. The first type is "goal-directed prayer," which occurs when a person prays for a specific outcome. Contrasting this, he said, is "non goal-directed prayer," where the intended result is simply "what is best for the situation." According to Sweet, this second type of prayer sees stronger effects because it instills order into a situation rather than attempting to manipulate the outcome. He contended that "non goal-directing prayer actually sends mending effects out" and cause the situation to come to an ideal conclusion. When praying without an intended outcome, he observed, "it's the unexpected that you expect."

"It's easier to have a wrong thought in a prayer than a right one," Sweet suggested, "because a lot of people are praying amiss." To that end, he cited instances where studies of the effects of prayers on plants resulted in the targets being damaged by inadvertent, albeit well intentioned, thoughts. This accidental manipulation in the wrong direction, he said, is one of the dangers of goal-directed prayers. Additionally, Sweet revealed that his lab has studied the power of negative thought, which showed the ability to kill the plant. "This is scary stuff," he mused, "the power of thought." Sweet was so convinced of the immense power of prayer that he put forward the idea that "the really good prayers of the world are helping to hold a thin veneer on civilization" and, without it, society could collapse.

Website:

http://www.spindriftresearch.org

Thanks ThresholdRising!
I listen to Coast to Coast and I found that episode very powerful. I was struck by the genuineness and clarity of Bill Sweet and the prayer research he spoke about. What he said really resonated with me and I went to his website to investigate further.

When I read the thread about healing the world yesterday the Spindrift prayer research was one of the first things that came to my mind. I think it is especially important because most folks know how to pray, so it is a "technology" that is accessible to most human beings, no matter where they are in terms of their spiritual practice. Bill Sweet's research indicates that everyone can pray effectively, even atheists. You don't have to be an expert astral traveler, magician or meditator. All you need to do is know how to pray and everyone can do that, easily. And the really exciting thing is that if you follow Bill Sweets suggestions, your prayers can be very effective.

If what the Spindrift research indicates is true, it is more effective to pray in a "non goal directed" way, asking for what is best for the situation. The Spindrift research even suggests that goal directed prayer could possibly result in harm. so care is necessary.

I would like to add that the techniques I learned in Matrix Energetics taught us to enter a situation (aka problem) on the level of quantum information, play in the zero point field with that information, and then let it go. Richard Bartlet teaches that the "letting go" at the end is essential because it allows the zero point field, the field of all creation, to manifest what is best. We are also taught to maintain a playful attitude, because that gets us into the right brain, which allows us to access the heart field, also known as the zero point field, easier. To me, the Spindrift research aligns very well with what I do when I practice Matrix Energetics.

[ThresholdRising]

Posted by northstar (here)

Posted by ThresholdRising (here)

Sweet detailed how his research has indicated that there are two distinct forms of prayer and that one is far more powerful than the other. The first type is "goal-directed prayer," which occurs when a person prays for a specific outcome. Contrasting this, he said, is "non goal-directed prayer," where the intended result is simply "what is best for the situation." According to Sweet, this second type of prayer sees stronger effects because it instills order into a situation rather than attempting to manipulate the outcome. He contended that "non goal-directing prayer actually sends mending effects out" and cause the situation to come to an ideal conclusion. When praying without an intended outcome, he observed, "it's the unexpected that you expect."

"It's easier to have a wrong thought in a prayer than a right one," Sweet suggested, "because a lot of people are praying amiss." To that end, he cited instances where studies of the effects of prayers on plants resulted in the targets being damaged by inadvertent, albeit well intentioned, thoughts. This accidental manipulation in the wrong direction, he said, is one of the dangers of goal-directed prayers. Additionally, Sweet revealed that his lab has studied the power of negative thought, which showed the ability to kill the plant. "This is scary stuff," he mused, "the power of thought." Sweet was so convinced of the immense power of prayer that he put forward the idea that "the really good prayers of the world are helping to hold a thin veneer on civilization" and, without it, society could collapse.

Website:

http://www.spindriftresearch.org

Thanks ThresholdRising!
I listen to Coast to Coast and I found that episode very powerful. I was struck by the genuineness and clarity of Bill Sweet and the prayer research he spoke about. What he said really resonated with me and I went to his website to investigate further.

When I read the thread about healing the world yesterday the Spindrift prayer research was one of the first things that came to my mind. I think it is especially important because most folks know how to pray, so it is a "technology" that is accessible to most human beings, no matter where they are in terms of their spiritual practice. Bill Sweet's research indicates that everyone can pray effectively, even atheists. You don't have to be an expert astral traveler, magician or meditator. All you need to do is know how to pray and everyone can do that, easily. And the really exciting thing is that if you follow Bill Sweets suggestions, your prayers can be very effective.

If what the Spindrift research indicates is true, it is more effective to pray in a "non goal directed" way, asking for what is best for the situation. The Spindrift research even suggests that goal directed prayer could possibly result in harm. so care is necessary.

I would like to add that the techniques I learned in Matrix Energetics taught us to enter a situation (aka problem) on the level of quantum information, play in the zero point field with that information, and then let it go. Richard Bartlet teaches that the "letting go" at the end is essential because it allows the zero point field, the field of all creation, to manifest what is best. We are also taught to maintain a playful attitude, because that gets us into the right brain, which allows us to access the heart field, also known as the zero point field, easier. To me, the Spindrift research aligns very well with what I do when I practice Matrix Energetics.

Ye, it was the the same thread that inspired me to post this great research. It has lead to me to think differently about my intention/meditation (which is almost identical to non goal prayer). I know that it will up my game quite a bit.

I agree with the importance of letting go part too, thanks for posting about it.

I also integrate the connection with infinite space prior to the prayer. I see it as the foundation. I got this from another great video where the lecture mentions about miracles and how mystics connect to bound space or something behind their eyes. It is definitely worth a watch.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tmC1174POpA

[northstar]

Thanks very much for that link.\! I've got it bookmarked and I will watch it.

Just imagine the ways the world will shift when we all start turning off our "tell-lie-visions" and start turning ON these basic human abilities by using simple spiritual practices. It is very exciting!

[ThresholdRising]

Posted by northstar (here)
Thanks very much for that link.\! I've got it bookmarked and I will watch it.

Just imagine the ways the world will shift when we all start turning off our "tell-lie-visions" and start turning ON these basic human abilities by using simple spiritual practices. It is very exciting!

Definitely exciting, and with more people on board every day, the more powerful the effect and the more loving the environment.
Thanks again Northstar.