Ethereal / Astral Spiders - What are they?

[confused]

Hi All,

I've had a few occurrences over the years with what seem like ethereal spiders and I was hoping someone would have some real information for me about it. I don't know where else to turn to except you guys. It's happened to me so far 3 or 4 times, when I wake up suddenly in the middle of the night and I see a definitive spider-looking creature crawling on the ceiling or wall. The most recent one happened last night. It was the size of my hand, the biggest one yet. It took me a few seconds to realize what I was looking at. I jumped out of bed, ran out the room and looked through the door just in time to see it crawl down the side of the wall, behind my window curtain, and then never reappear again.

The previous times were similar experiences, although they seemed average sized spiders not the huge one I saw last night, and each time I turned the lights on they were gone.

Last night I also thought I saw some webs around my bedroom door.

I've looked this up online and there seem to be many people with similar experiences, seeing spider-like creatures when they happen to wake up in the middle of the night, crawling in their room or on their bed. One person on some forum, I think it was ATS, said they saw one spider weaving some web in his girlfriend's eyes while she was sleeping.

Does anyone have any idea what this may be? Please, I'm really not interested in the opinions that I may be hallucinating. If you think it, that's great. I know there will be people that do. I would like to hear from people that think these creatures are real and have some idea regarding what they may be. Thanks!

[northstar]

Hello confused-
While hallucination is one of many valid possibilities, the lucidity of your letter suggests to me that hallucination, whether drug induced or mental illness is not the answer here, so let's rule that out for now.

I have cleared entities, discarnates, energetic implants, illness, etc. from people and places. Just from your brief description it sounds like possibly a malignant thoughtform, or possibly a garden variety dark entity, or perhaps a cursed creature. I do not get a "nice" energy from it.

[NancyV]

I have also seen spiders quite a few times, mostly when I took LSD or some other hallucinogenic drug many years ago. But I have also seen them when I was in a heightened state of seeing through dimensions without drugs. I was scared the first time I saw a huge spider, about 46 years ago, but after that I figured it might be some kind of entity that took a spider shape to scare me. I have always been leery of spiders and I also happen to be deathly allergic to them. Do you maybe have an negative emotions about spiders or are allergic to them?

Astral beings can take just about any shape they want and they do so love to try to scare us! LOL... When I got to the point that I lost my fear of "astral" spiders and ignored them or spoke in a harsh voice (telepathic and/or physical) to them, they quit appearing. If I get a spider bite, which is usually on my foot, it immediately swells up and hurts like hell for weeks. Until I discovered prednisone I suffered for a couple of months when I got a spider bite about once a year. Prednisone reverses the swelling in one day.

My suggestion would be to yell at an astral/etheric spider if you see one again, like yell "GET THE EFF OUT OF MY ROOM, YOU EFFING PIECE OF SHEEITE!" That also helps to get rid of any fear you might have. They don't like that kind of energy and it helps to drive many different types of astral beings away. They're just playing energy games, sometimes very detrimental ones, and our objective is to get better at the games than they are until we can figure out how to not attract negative entities. There are many ways to do it but the method I described works well for me.

[Crazy Louie]

I think of the spiders shape - a figure 8 - which or course when laid on it's side is the math figure for infinity - I feel them as messengers in MY life - we are all different - If it was happening to me I would look to it as a spiritual issue and try to get my self out of the way and let my spirit speak to my consciousness. I would not fear it - I have had real life situations where my hand was lifting or moving something and when I looked more closely - there was a hugh black widow or hobo spider within striking distance but they had held their peace. It's interesting to me that these events are so vivid to you. You don't want to be inviting strangers into your realm - but think it through and try to gain some clarity - because as a human perhaps spiders disgust you - but on another level past your evolved thoughts on spiders - maybe they are a good thing trying to do something positive on the sub level and it's breaking through to your wakeful reality.

[turiya]

MIRROR GAZING MEDITATION

Hi Confused

Seems to me that this has to do with your subconscious. The subconscious is the layer of the mind that is in-between the unconscious & the conscious mind. The subconscious contains repressed & suppressed emotions. This is basically caused due to the societies in which we all live. To totally be oneself is not acceptable according to the society. In order for many people to live together in a society, the society has conditioned each of its members to suppress, to repress, certain emotional expressions.

For example, one usually cannot so easily get authentically angry (express anger) with their boss, otherwise they will probably end up on the unemployment lines seeking welfare privileges. As a result, one usually buries this anger, and throws into the basement of the mind. This is what the subconscious is. It is the basement of the mind that accumulates emotions that are prevented from being naturally expressed.

Over time the subconscious will build up with this unexpressed energy. Energy is meant to move, if it doesn't move naturally, it will find ways to move unnaturally. And most certainly it will find a way to move, and that way, more often than not, will take on a perverted form.

The imagination will be the mind’s tool for this expression. Seeing, imagining, devils &/or demons, and images that are not physically real, will often times be the outcome. And certainly spiders, imaginary or not, will fit that bill.

I suspect that these etheric spiders that you are witnessing have something to do with this repressed or suppressed energy. Everyone has this repressed, suppressed energy to one degree or another. The subconscious mind attempts to release some pent-up energy. It is part of the unconscious mind which is said to be 9 times greater than the conscious mind.

There are ways that you can consciously encounter your unconscious mind, i.e. the demon spiders. You many want to try a certain method of meditation which will bring forth the unconscious so that you can experience it consciously. And this method is called the mirror meditation. I can suggest to do the following:

At night, before you go to bed, close the doors of your room and put a big mirror in front of you. The room must be completely dark. Then put a small flame by the side of the mirror in such a way that the flame is not directly reflected in the mirror. Just your face should be reflected in the mirror, not the flame.

Stare constantly into your own eyes in the mirror. Do not blink. This is a forty-minute experiment, and within two or three days you will be able to keep your eyes from blinking for the whole forty minutes. Even if tears come, let them come, but still do not blink and go on staring into the eyes.

Within two or three days you will become aware of a very strange phenomenon: your face will begin to take on new shapes. You may even be scared. The face in the mirror will begin to change; sometimes a very different face will be there -- one which you have not known as yours. But all the faces that come to you belong to you.

After one week of this constant practice -- staring for 20, 30 or even 40 minutes every night -- your face will look to be in a constant flux. Many faces will be coming and going constantly. After a few weeks you will not be able to remember which one is your face. You will not be able to remember your own face, because you have seen so many different faces coming and going.

If you continue, then one day, after three weeks or so, the strangest thing will happen: suddenly there will be no face in the mirror! The mirror will be vacant. You are staring into emptiness; there will be no face there at all.

At this moment, just close your eyes and encounter your unconscious. When there is no face in the mirror, just close the eyes. This is the significant moment: close the eyes, look inside, and you will face the unconscious. You will be naked, completely naked – as you are; all deceptions will fall.

This is your reality, but living in a society has created so many layers in order that you will not be aware of it. And once you know yourself in your nakedness, your total nakedness, you will begin to be a different person. Then you cannot deceive yourself; now you know what you are.

With this exercise, you will at least become familiar with the workings of your unconscious. The more you practice this exercise, the more you will become familiar with the strange working of you own mind. Become familiar with it, understand it, come to know it, and many things that you have once feared will evaporate from view.

turiya

[DNA]

Hi Confused

Just as an FYI, ethereal spiders are said to be an enemy agent in the ethereal. This was stated by Michael Harner in his "way of the Shaman" as he worked with Brazilian rainforest shamans while drinking ayahuasca.

Also, I don't recomend mirror gazing.

Some helpfull information may be found here. Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings

[turiya]

Posted by DNA (here)
Hi Confused

Just as an FYI, ethereal spiders are said to be an enemy agent in the ethereal. This was stated by Michael Harner in his "way of the Shaman" as he worked with Brazilian rainforest shamans while drinking ayahuasca.

Also, I don't recomend mirror gazing.

Some helpfull information may be found here. Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings

Thanks DNA, you make a good point - although you don't explain why. So I will do the honors.

Yes, don't do mirror gazing if you are afraid of what you have been repressing for most of your life. Most people, when they sit down to meditate, are quite shocked by all the mental garbage that they have pushed into their own subconscious. It is of one's own doing, not done by anybody else.

Many people, when they sit down to meditate, find it a shocking experience. For those that are afraid to see themselves, are afraid to see who they really are, who really don't want to be free of a repressive life style & a life full of suppression, then certainly don't do mirror gazing. Enjoy your monsters & your fears as you like. And many live long lives being constantly afraid of their own shadows, of their own self-created monsters hidden within themselves.

turiya

[DNA]

Posted by turiya (here)
Thanks DNA, you make a good point - although you don't explain why. So I will do the honors.

Yes, don't do mirror gazing if you are afraid of what you have been repressing for most of your life. Most people, when they sit down to meditate, are quite shocked by all the mental garbage that they have pushed into their own subconscious. It is of one's own doing, not done by anybody else.

Many people, when they sit down to meditate, find it a shocking experience. For those that are afraid to see themselves, are afraid to see who they really are, who really don't want to be free of a repressive life style & a life full of suppression, then certainly don't do mirror gazing. Enjoy your monsters & your fears as you like. And many live long lives being constantly afraid of their own shadows, of their own self-created monsters hidden within themselves.

turiya

There are many things to focus on if one wanted to do an open eye meditation.
The enemy of meditation is the movement of the eyes, as such you want to focus on something small and stationary.
A small pebble and or a small shadow of that pebble will suffice.
You could use something stationary like an indentation on the wall or a piece of stucco in the ceiling, but the draw back to this is, you are leaving an energetic residue of yourself and as such it may attact unwanted astral parasites like the spiders presently being seen by the OP.

Mirror gazing is a powerfull tool for someone who knows what they are looking for, but I don't recomend it to beginners.
Shamens often used mirrors in mesoamerica, but they also considered it a portal for which extradimensional beings could be seen, and they could see you as well.
In the realm of haunted objects, mirrors are often considered one of the most common.
The same was thought with middle east mirror gazers and they thought the Djinn could be contacted this way.

There are also those that associate mirror use directly with parasitic spider beings.

Spiders
From the Classic period mirrors began to be associated with spider webs, perhaps due to the network of lines on the surface of mosaic mirrors that developed at that time. Imagery associating mirrors with spiders and their webs is relatively frequently encountered at Teotihuacan.[14] The association of mirrors with spiders continued right up to the Posctclassic and beyond, with a polished goldMixtec mirror back taking the form of a spider. The modern Huichol still associate mirrors with spider webs.[21]

[northstar]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
Hi Confused

Just as an FYI, ethereal spiders are said to be an enemy agent in the ethereal. This was stated by Michael Harner in his "way of the Shaman" as he worked with Brazilian rainforest shamans while drinking ayahuasca.

Also, I don't recomend mirror gazing.

Some helpfull information may be found here. Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings

Thanks DNA, you make a good point - although you don't explain why. So I will do the honors.

Yes, don't do mirror gazing if you are afraid of what you have been repressing for most of your life. Most people, when they sit down to meditate, are quite shocked by all the mental garbage that they have pushed into their own subconscious. It is of one's own doing, not done by anybody else.

Many people, when they sit down to meditate, find it a shocking experience. For those that are afraid to see themselves, are afraid to see who they really are, who really don't want to be free of a repressive life style & a life full of suppression, then certainly don't do mirror gazing. Enjoy your monsters & your fears as you like. And many live long lives being constantly afraid of their own shadows, of their own self-created monsters hidden within themselves.

turiya

turiya it sounds like what you are describing is Jungian shadow work. There are many safe and effective methods to do shadow work and slowly access and integrate your own unconscious shadow contents without using mirrors. I strongly believe that shadow work is necessary for anyone who is on a spiritual path but I would personally not use that mirror ritual to do it and I respectfully suggest that it would be not advised for someone who is already weakened enough to the point where they are dealing with visible entities.

Your mirror ritual reminded me a technique for training astral warriors from the book "The Techniques of Astral Combat" by G. Travels. The authors gives a series of exercises to prepare adepts for astral combat and he includes a mirror gazing exercise similar to what you posted. But in his book he also gives a great many safety warnings, as this type of work will take you into some very dark places and it is not for the faint of heart. And it is perhaps not wise for anyone who is currently dealing with an entity infestation.

[turiya]

Posted by DNA (here)
Mirror gazing is a powerfull tool for someone who knows what they are looking for

Agreed it is a powerful tool, that is why it is recommended. The whole point of the exercise is to encounter what lay in the subconscious & unconscious layers of one's mind. To consciously encounter what is in the unconscious.

If "someone knows what they are looking for...", then it would not be part of the unconscious, now would it. To know what you are looking for, means that you are conscious of what you are looking for.

Belief in superstitions has often be substituted for those that don't want to take on responsibility for themselves. Having a belief that powerful beings are continually hovering around ready to jump on you at any moment, and one will remain being a victim in this life. One will never become mature. I do not recommend following this line of thought.

One can certainly make of this life what they will. It is ultimately the choice of the individual. I am merely offering a perspective that one may consider to act upon for oneself, is one so chooses. If it resonates, then give it a go. If not, then no harm.

cheers
turiya

[DNA]

Posted by northstar (here)
turiya it sounds like what you are describing is Jungian shadow work. There are many safe and effective methods to do shadow work and slowly access and integrate your own unconscious shadow contents without using mirrors. I strongly believe that shadow work is necessary for anyone who is on a spiritual path but I would personally not use that mirror ritual to do it and I respectfully suggest that it would be not advised for someone who is already weakened enough to the point where they are dealing with visible entities.

Your mirror ritual reminded me a technique for training astral warriors from the book "The Techniques of Astral Combat" by G. Travels. The authors gives a series of exercises to prepare adepts for astral combat and he includes a mirror gazing exercise similar to what you posted. But in his book he also gives a great many safety warnings, as this type of work will take you into some very dark places and it is not for the faint of heart. And it is perhaps not wise for anyone who is currently dealing with an entity infestation.

I forget about the Jungian shadow work.
I did that through a THC endowed four year yoga session. 15-19 years old.
THC is weird, for some folks it is an opiate against pain, but for myself and many others it points out falsehoods.
I remember as a teenager I couldn't smoke it in group settings with people I didn't know, their falsehoods would become so prominate I likened it to seeing people without their skin, macabre I know, but it was soo much for me to take in that I just refused to do it around other poeple.

Anyway, sorry for oversharing there, just wanted to let you know I'm with you on that. And if you haven't seen this tool song with an explanation video describing Jungian shadow work, it is well worth the watch.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tja6_h4lT6A

[DNA]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
Mirror gazing is a powerfull tool for someone who knows what they are looking for

Agreed it is a powerful tool, that is why it is recommended. The whole point of the exercise is to encounter what lay in the subconscious & unconscious layers of one's mind. To consciously encounter what is in the unconscious.

If "someone knows what they are looking for...", then it would not be part of the unconscious, now would it. To know what you are looking for, means that you are conscious of what you are looking for.

Belief in superstitions has often be substituted for those that don't want to take on responsibility for themselves. Having a belief that powerful beings are continually hovering around ready to jump on you at any moment, and one will remain being a victim in this life. One will never become mature. I do not recommend following this line of thought.

One can certainly make of this life what they will. It is ultimately the choice of the individual. I am merely offering a perspective that one may consider to act upon for oneself, is one so chooses. If it resonates, then give it a go. If not, then no harm.

cheers
turiya

Your statement seems to indicate that you do not believe the OP is seeing a external manifestation. You think the OP is seeing some kind of projection of the OP's internal psyche?
I do not know the OP well enough to comment wether this is or is not the case.
I will say this though, things do in fact go bump in the night.
These things are far more common than folks would like to think.
I believe folks when they state there is some type of entity presense, because these entities are so prevailant.

For folks who have never seen this type of manifestation I have a thread that can help.
How To See A Ghost For Your Self

Best wishes

[TraineeHuman]

There is such a thing as a benevolent spider-like being, though as far as I know the others aren't friendlies. The benevolent one is called Iktomi. Tobacco was invented by the Iriquois Indians under Iktomi's guidance, because Iktomi loves tobacco. Iktomi used to visit me at nights over quite a few months. She is about two meters wide, and generally of similar size to an adult human, given that she looks like a spider. Her legs are of similar width to a human arm, except they're spidery. I know she visits the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan Oracle frequently, and they consider her their most benevolent source of assistance. Many American Indian peoples revere her. She sometimes weaves a golden web throughout half of one's bedroom. She does that when she is performing a physical healing. She even performs psychic surgery, for real, and very effectively from what I've heard. For her to visit one is a great honor. To have any chance of attracting her, you need to leave out a good handful of fresh tobacco. Also, your bedroom has to be in total blackness, or she won't come.

Once I went to bed late and she was already at work in my bedroom, but hadn't finished setting up her web when I opened the bedroom door to go inside. There was a little light coming in through that door, which she didn't like. She very gently put one of her legs across my forearm to try to stop me from opening the door further, but I didn't stop the action of opening the door further. Her leg felt of similar weight to a human forearm, though the gentleness I felt in her touch was amazing. So, she is one spider who is quite real, even though I guess she's probably manifesting an etheric body rather than a physical body.

[turiya]

Posted by northstar (here)
I would personally not use that mirror ritual...

Your are the one calling it a ritual. A ritual it is not. It is a method for uncovering what lay in the unconscious.

Many people feel that there are evil spirits & dark forces that are ready to attack you. One has created these dark forces themselves through suppression & repression - by the prevention of naturally allowing the expression one's own emotions. Certainly, over time the force of pent-up energy builds to the point that one is no longer able to control it. Rage is a good example. It is built-up anger to the point that the forceful expression has become quite perverted in its form. It can seem overpowering - an overwhelming force. There is a common phrase - "the devil made me do it". This common phrase has been often used when one doesn't understand the body-mind mechanism and how it functions.

Understand that the dark forces are put there by you. And only by you, there isn't anybody else who has done this for you, one has done it to himself. To refuse to look at oneself (and, that is all what meditation is), is the refusal to be responsible for oneself.

Posted by northstar (here)
mirror gazing exercise... it is perhaps not wise for anyone who is currently dealing with an entity infestation.

Certainly the term "entity infestation", as you put it, feeds the fear notion. It is nothing more than a self-created manifestation based in fear - the fear of the unknown, which is the basic fear of all fears. The dream certainly appears real to the dreamer. Only after waking from the dream does one come to realize it was indeed only a dream. One has to start from somewhere to take on responsibility.

The real can be known only through the false

turiya

[DNA]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
There is such a thing as a benevolent spider-like being, though as far as I know the others aren't friendlies. The benevolent one is called Iktomi. Tobacco was invented by the Iriquois Indians under Iktomi's guidance, because Iktomi loves tobacco. Iktomi used to visit me at nights over quite a few months. She is about two meters wide, and generally of similar size to an adult human, given that she looks like a spider. Her legs are of similar width to a human arm, except they're spidery. I know she visits the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan Oracle frequently, and they consider her their most benevolent source of assistance. Many American Indian peoples revere her. She sometimes weaves a golden web throughout half of one's bedroom. She does that when she is performing a physical healing. She even performs psychic surgery, for real, and very effectively from what I've heard. For her to visit one is a great honor. To have any chance of attracting her, you need to leave out a good handful of fresh tobacco. Also, your bedroom has to be in total blackness, or she won't come.

TraineeHuman, please don't take offense if I seem to offer insight into this that may not agree with your over all take.
We are all in different places, and as such see things from a slightly different perspective, but given time and experience folks may in fact end up agreeing on issues they seemed at odds with at one point.

The invitation of entities such as this into one self may in fact have certain advantages, but over all I wouldn't recomend it.
I once met a man who had been physically and psychogically broken as a boy.
Horrible abuse from his father in the form of beatings that would break bones and leave him unconscious and sexual abuse as well.
This shattered him and his siblings.
His sisters became drug addicted prostitutes and his brothers went to prison and were presumed to be what you would call lifers.

The difference my friend had with these folks was that he was approached by a feline type shadow being.
He confided in me once that the being asked to live inside of him and that he accepted the terms and the being became a part of him.
He stated that all of his vices were no longer a problem.
He no longer did drugs, he no longer drank alcohol, he no longer indulged in reckless behavior.
My friend stated that he thought he had been approached by his animal totem, much like the shamens of old.
My take was that he had become the closest equivelent to a modern vampire that could be actualized.
The story is told in greater detail here, as well as the being making me known to a shadow being friend that approached myself.

Posted by bearcow (here)
Negative Lower astral entities

A demon would generally fall into this class, as would other semi intelligent astral beings that willfully/deceitfully feed off of the corresponding elemental essence in a human being. The typical concept of a demon would feed the off unchecked fire within a human being that creates blood lust, murderous thoughts etc. I have never seen a reptilian as such, but if they do exist, i suppose they would be at the higher end of this spectrum. Just to note, beings in this class are intelligent/powerful enough that they can assume any form they wish to try to deceive you.

The above piece is of course from Bearcow, that guy is pretty darn learned on these types of things.
The encounter below is my own.

Encounter with a Vampire

This is an experience where I feel a astral entity,,,stronger and more permanent and pervasisve than a ghost attempted to form a symbiotic/parasitic bond with me.
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I began a correspondance with Jonathan Zap (e-mail) at the end of 2003. At the time I was heavilly into this idea of there being a non-organic, non-physical energy oriented life form, or forms.
Zap did a show with Jonathan Grey on this subject on coast to coast in 06.

Zap is a very cerebral guy, and he was very influential in helping me explore/understand and categorize this phenomenon.
Zap has some excellent first hand experience with energy parasites including an encounter with a parasite possesed human, making that human a vampire, found here Mind Parasites,Energy Parasites and Vampires.

So, I started working at this call center/phone modem tech, temp company in march of 07. I was in a training class, and as training classes go, you make friends hang out at lunch, that kind of thing.

I made an aquaintaince, and,in so far as the story goes, I believe Darren, was home to a parasite of greater strength, tenacity and permanence than I'm used to encountering.

He (Darren) was quite the character, he was like a guy from the wrong time period, he wore long black riding boots, had long lustrous hair, he wore non-collered long sleeve white cotton button shirts that gave him a bit of a pirate look. He was muscular about 6'2 and looked like he could take care of himself in a fight.
As a guy you can't help but to gauge these kinds of things.

Darren lacked the ability to engage, and I know that sounds wierd, but, in a conversation, I tend to value those who can engage, and though we had lots in common, and we talked quite a bit, he never really engaged with me, or if you will, in a celestine prophecy esque meaning, he never opened up energetically.

Zap states in his personal encounters with people like this, that folks tend to tell you if they are a vampire, you just have to listen and believe them when they let you know. Now on this note, i could tell you that Darren went on and on about playing this vampire RPG game called Kindrid the Gathering, and that is a little clue. Darren would become amazingly animated (much more so than normal) when telling the tales of his RPG game,,and it was almost as if,,he felt like he was allowed to express that he really, identified with vampires.

On our last day of class,,,we were all coming back from our last break of the day, and getting ready to take the last test of the training class, the instructor was late coming back and I was talking to Darren.

He asked about a turtle I was wearing on a rope around my neck.
I told him it was my animal totem, joking I thought. He became serious, and well,, for the first time, rather engaging. He asked if I believe in animal totems. I told him that thousands of years of shamanic practice lend some backing in my opinion.

He then went into this rant, now, when people want to tell a story, I have no problem with giving them my energy via attention, and I even have this cool ability to zero in on a place in the aura where the memories being shared are stored and focus in on that area, embuing it with more energy and thus, giving the story more energy to be told. Giving the story teller more energy to and ability to tell the story.

Darren told me about how he believed he had an animal totem, a cat or panther like totem. He said he felt it saved him. He said without it, he knew he would have went the way of his two brothers and two sisters, who were drug addled and homeless or in prison.

Darren and his siblings were the victims of horrible physical and sexual abuse from their father.
Darren acknoledged this as the reason for his siblings having their problems, and stated his not repeating their mistakes, was the help he began receiving one day from this animal totem.

He said he felt a force or living being asking to live in him (he was very adament about it), and he said "yes" to the entity asking to live in him, then feeling an indwelling force that he cited had changed him and continues to, to this day. This indwelling force,,made him feel stronger,,more focused, he said he no longer felt the same craving for sunstances (drugs,alcohol) like his brothers and sisters did.
By now we were in the class, given notes for the test and given time to study.

Darren had worked there before, and he didn't need to study.
And he wouldn't stop talking about this subject.
I say wouldn't cause I needed to study.
He went on and on, saying this cat like totem lived on in him, and that he never wanted drugs again or needed to drink again.
He said his addictive vices were gone.
Now I could see part of the problem, was that he was getting kind of high on the energy I had given him, and I tried to pull back now, but he seemed to not want to let me.

THE DREAM
Later that same night, I had this dream.
I received a call from Jonathan Zap and I answered it on an outside payphone, telling me that someone was coming. There was a traveling circus, complete with caged animals, the whole nine yards. One of the accompanying performers was going to be paying me a visit.

I took it that it was his freind(jonathan Zap's freind), and I told him any friend of his was welcome to stay at my place.
He then told me I should be carefull of who I allow to stay in my place and that I should really think it over.
I took this as him being to shy to ask for his freind and told him non-sense, his friend could stay with me.
He again protested, and I told him I had to go.

I was then in my apartment, answering a knock on the door, and it was a young thirty year old man with a dufflebag, he was a sturdy thin gentleman, wearing warm baggy clothes with short black curly hair, he looked greek or roman, but very contemporary.

I invited him in, and told him to make himself at home.
I told him I had some errands I had to run and I left the apartment.
When I came back in, I saw the man with children tied to chairs, torturing them with a drill. He was removing their teeth.
I was in horror. I was in shock. I mean for a dream, I was really feeling the impact of this horror. It was as if this was all really happening, and the children were as alive and important as any child I would see while waking.
As I stood, not knowing what to do, the man nodded to me, as if he would be done in a second, and for me to just wait a minute and watch.

I screamed obscenities at him, not making much sense, and demanded him to leave.
He stopped what he was doing, and told me he was doing this for me.
I failed to articulate a response and motioned for him to leave and then said to leave.
He stopped what he was doing and seemed to understand, he then looked me in the eye and said that I would be better off if I allowed him to continue. He had this knowing look in his eyes he looked very genuine. His eyes had a knowing in them and empathy, it was wierd.

I then knew what he meant.
The apartment represented me, the children represented lesser parasites attached to me.
He couldn't kill them, but he could torture them until they decided to leave on thier own.
He was a Rex parasite if you will, basically he would rid the host of all other energy parasites but, I knew not what HIS DEMANDS or tax would be.
He genuinly seemed to believe his presence would benefit me.
He told me to think about it.
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I was crying at this point and told him to leave. And he did.
Next thing, I was on the outside pay phone with Jonathan Zap and he was chastising me for letting this guy in my apartment when he had warned me against doing so. And though I was going to blame him for the whole thing, I realized then that he(Jonathan Zap) had tried to warn me.

I woke up with the sense that there was a presense in the room. A powerfull one. Had the animal totem/energy parasite of Darren followed me home and attempted to make a new home,,,,a new home of myself? Had the parasite/animal totem contacted another entitiy and pointed me out? Are my corrolations in error,,,possible,,,but it all felt very real.

In retrospect I do believe almost all of us have lesser energy parasites, urging us to do things that will step down our spirit energy into a lesser vibration more easy for them to consume.


The lesser parasites are obvious to me, greed, indulgence, stealing, beligerance, aloofness, superiority, I could get into this but these are not my questions, these are obvious.

My question is, what would the Rex parasite want?


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[DNA]

Posted by turiya (here)
Many people feel that there are evil spirits & dark forces that are ready to attack you. One has created these dark forces themselves through suppression & repression - by the prevention of naturally allowing the expression one's own emotions.

This sounds like a sound western diagonosis. Why not prescribe some lithium while you are at it.

I can assure you, there are folks who are not repressed in the slightest who have seen these external manifestations.

You are explaining the unknown by creating a niche with aberation and psychosis.
Though this is a convenient mechanism it is not the alpha and omega, some folks have studied the shadow to the point where they have come out the other side.
Some folks have meditated to the point their third eye is awakened.
And some folks unknown to themselves have a talent for this sort of thing and can see manifestations especially in the dark.

It is not the dark people fear, it is the ability the dark gives in seeing what is already there that people fear. The dark allows atrophied organs of perception to awaken, and in turn to glimpse the etheric and phantasmagorical entities which were present the whole time.

[Jake]

Yes Astral spiders. Yikes,, and spiderwebs too. Here is Robert Bruce's answer to a fellow projector on the Astral Dynamics Forum...

Re: Why are Astral Spiders BAD?



G'day Alyah,

Astral spiders are low astral beings, and they can be very nasty.

Intensive spring cleaning, with the intention of washing them away, is the first step.

Then, incense (white sage or, dragon's blood incense), and purple fire,

Check the 'purple fire' audio out here, as it gives instructions. This is easy to do and works very well.

http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/audi ... epage.html

Robert

Good luck.
Jake.

[NancyV]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
Mirror gazing is a powerfull tool for someone who knows what they are looking for

Agreed it is a powerful tool, that is why it is recommended. The whole point of the exercise is to encounter what lay in the subconscious & unconscious layers of one's mind. To consciously encounter what is in the unconscious.

If "someone knows what they are looking for...", then it would not be part of the unconscious, now would it. To know what you are looking for, means that you are conscious of what you are looking for.

Belief in superstitions has often be substituted for those that don't want to take on responsibility for themselves. Having a belief that powerful beings are continually hovering around ready to jump on you at any moment, and one will remain being a victim in this life. One will never become mature. I do not recommend following this line of thought.

One can certainly make of this life what they will. It is ultimately the choice of the individual. I am merely offering a perspective that one may consider to act upon for oneself, is one so chooses. If it resonates, then give it a go. If not, then no harm.

cheers
turiya

Your statement seems to indicate that you do not believe the OP is seeing a external manifestation. You think the OP is seeing some kind of projection of the OP's internal psyche?
I do not know the OP well enough to comment wether this is or is not the case.
I will say this though, things do in fact go bump in the night.
These things are far more common than folks would like to think.
I believe folks when they state there is some type of entity presense, because these entities are so prevailant.

For folks who have never seen this type of manifestation I have a thread that can help.
How To See A Ghost For Your Self

Best wishes

In my view these entities are both external and internal depending on your perspective, although they do all derive from within you/me. It is more practical for most of us to deal with them as if they are external, but I'll go along with Turiya in agreeing that continuing to accept them as external keeps one in a state of non responsibility and is ultimately disempowering. Probably most people are not ready to see that view, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be available for them to know. When one gets to a point where they don't attract or open up to these entities, or if they do they can fairly easily dismiss them, they are then making great progress. Keeping them constantly separate from oneself will keep them alive and active.

I probably didn't realize this until I had experienced the power of "other" beings while spending years traveling in the astral realms. I learned every method of playing the energy games, how to battle entities/demons whose mission was to torture and torment one, and how to not fall for the inducements of the glorious beings who were playing the god game. Until I accepted all these beings as projections of myself and began to merge completely with them, I could not easily go beyond the 4th dimension. After learning how to do this, I could travel through any dimension with impunity, knowing it was all different expressions of me/source.

It's not so easy to do here in the physical, which is most likely why almost all shamanic and spiritual practices keep these entities AND gods (little gods) separate and develop ways to appease, block, banish or exorcise them. Although I don't attract many entities at this point in my life it still does occasionally happen. It happened a year or so ago and I did use physical and energetic means to drive it away. I saged the house, and threw some nasty words backed up by powerful and forceful energy at it.

It manifested in a couple of different ways, as a poltergeist-like entity that caused about 8-10 pictures and paintings to fall off the walls in a 2 day period, and even worse by entering into my husband for about 15 minutes. He doesn't remember this at all. In that 15 minutes he choked me and then held a knife to my throat saying over and over, "why are you trying to kill me?!" I calmly talked him down and then saw that it had left him. He didn't remember what he did at all. So I realized I had to get rid of this nasty little entity. It's possible that it was attracted here or created by my husbands deep and repressed anger from 10 years of being in wars and many other conflicts. It was definitely best to deal with it as though it was completely external at this point, even though I personally accept all responsibility for it! LOL...

As far as mirror gazing, I think it's a great tool and I also agree that most people are not ready for it, but if you don't stretch yourself you'll never progress. It's not all fun and easy, in fact it can be VERY scary and dangerous! That said, I have always liked danger and even though I reached the point where I know that it's all love, love love, boring love love love and the source is love love love, bliss bliss bliss.... I'm so very happy that I still get to enjoy the danger games! Why the heck did we, as source, create the creation?? So we could get away from the monotony of love and bliss and have some fun with conflict and danger! Even though it's all pretend it SEEMS like it's real. That way the game is more fun. That's why even when we merge with and become the Source we always come back into duality to engage in the games.

I figure if one is at the point where they are playing games with lower astral entities they have reached a point where they are making great progress! They are now ready to learn more. You could even say it's a "blessing in disguise". It just happens to be in the guise of a nasty, dangerous, soul-sucking type entity that can scare the sheeite out of you. LOL... How lucky can you get?!!!

[kenaz]

I've had two astral spider occurrences. Both were made of black crystalline energy and were beautiful.
The first descended down on its web and was the size of my palm. The second happened many years later.
It was sitting quietly next to my head on my pillow. It was as large as my head. Both occurred at night and
I felt no threat. To see such a creature was a jolt which caused them to disappear but not before I got a
real good look. I don't have a ready explanation, some things stay a mystery.

[DeDukshyn]

I guess they are just astral spiders ... I have had a few night experiences with them - in between dream / wake states - usually they are crawling on me, (spiders don't bother me much so I likely only notice them when they are actually touching me). Really weird sometimes.

My old GF also woke screaming once -- astral spider building a web on the ceiling over her head, vanished when she fully came out of dream state.

I have had several vivid dream interactions with giant spiders and beetles. Seems to be training / lessons in fear to me -- in every case, fear causes bad things to happen - indifference or love changes how these creatures react toward you in the most profound way. Hint: Maggots are safe to fill a rotting wound with -- they will never touch good flesh ...

My 2 cents, as a person who has shared in astral spiders / bugs experiences.