Covert Hostility... the Tone Level... WHAT IT IS

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
All this is all soooo wrong, misunderstood, misapplied, distorted, (and offensive) and on soooo many levels. Sorry.

I'll confront just the first issue, a real clanger:

Posted by jiminii (here)
70 percent or more do not have SPIRITS CONNECTED TO THEM so these 70 percent are basically ROBOTS

100% of human beings have spirits in them. Where there is life, there is spirit. And vice versa. Plain and simple! It is impossible for a human being to function without a soul. There would also be no purpose, as a human being is in its one and only purpose a vehicle, a 3-dimensional physical construct for a soul to experience through.

But I don't want to go overboard here. Respect to you jimini for your input and undoubted wisdom in many areas, but some of the points you bring up here are just ghastly ghastly ghastly. I can say no more.

Oh, except one other thing, regarding what more and more are beginning to believe.. this is NOT a prison planet, unless you choose to go to prison. This is the planet of FREE CHOICE, expressed through duality. No one has to come here. We that are here now have chosen to come here for the variety and richness of experience that is offers. The only thing that would 'trap' us here would be a desire to accelerate our progression, and an inherent 'need' on a higher level that would bring us back to complete (and perfect) any unfinished business we have (karma).

Sounds as you're not widely read enough to say that. No not all human are the carriers of spirit, read more appropriate information.

regards

roman

[ghostrider]

hey I'd rather see people love each other than kill each other, who am I to say you can't love this or that person ??? love , peace , kindness, truth, compassion, oneness , it has to be said, our end result of awakening is oneness, truth, love, compassion, love is compassion in action ...

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Jim they haven't the faintest what you are talking about, they and I mean you here on this website really are day dreamers, you have a long way to go as yet to really understand. keep on dreaming simple minds

roman

So Roman, why would you objectify the entire Avalon community as "simple minds having a long way to go" and place yourself and Jim above the rest of us?

Did someone put something in the water this morning?

I think Gripreaper we have to move on my friend, always waiting, its not good either.

roman

[northstar]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by northstar (here)
jiminii this sorry homophobic screed makes me feel sad for you.
GLBT people are our brothers and sisters, our mothers and fathers, our sons and daughters, our co-workers, friends and neighbors. If individuals in any group deserve criticism, so be it, but I don't hold any pre-conceived prejudice and hatred in my mind or heart toward them as a group.

I personally know GLBT people who are near and dear to my heart and to read this caustic homophobic rant makes me feel sad.

do you know people can love robots not knowing they are robots. They look real and talk real and all the rest but they go home and watch the same TV shows, go to the same restaurants, go to the same bars, and are very hard to teach.

I can take a dog and train him that only has one of these GE's in it and I will have to repeat the action again and again and again and again until if finally gets what you want

I can take another dog who also has a spirit being in besides the GE and it almost picks up what you want it to do instantly.

these people with GE only have to be constantly trained again and again and they can not create anything NEW ... they can ONLY COPE OTHERS.

THIS IS SAD TOO ... RIGHT BUT IT IS WHAT IS HERE

AND WE HAVE TO HANDLE IT ALL AS IT IS TO SALVAGE THIS SECTOR ... SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONFRONT WHAT IS REALLY HERE IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT

jim

Peace to you Jim.
Peace and love to you and all your relations.
May you find sweet serenity and peace of mind dear soul.
May light and peace surround you and may angelic beings of light comfort the wounds within.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by northstar (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by northstar (here)
jiminii this sorry homophobic screed makes me feel sad for you.
GLBT people are our brothers and sisters, our mothers and fathers, our sons and daughters, our co-workers, friends and neighbors. If individuals in any group deserve criticism, so be it, but I don't hold any pre-conceived prejudice and hatred in my mind or heart toward them as a group.

I personally know GLBT people who are near and dear to my heart and to read this caustic homophobic rant makes me feel sad.

do you know people can love robots not knowing they are robots. They look real and talk real and all the rest but they go home and watch the same TV shows, go to the same restaurants, go to the same bars, and are very hard to teach.

I can take a dog and train him that only has one of these GE's in it and I will have to repeat the action again and again and again and again until if finally gets what you want

I can take another dog who also has a spirit being in besides the GE and it almost picks up what you want it to do instantly.

these people with GE only have to be constantly trained again and again and they can not create anything NEW ... they can ONLY COPE OTHERS.

THIS IS SAD TOO ... RIGHT BUT IT IS WHAT IS HERE

AND WE HAVE TO HANDLE IT ALL AS IT IS TO SALVAGE THIS SECTOR ... SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONFRONT WHAT IS REALLY HERE IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT

jim

Peace to you Jim.
Peace and love to you and all your relations.
May you find sweet serenity and peace of mind dear soul.
May light and peace surround you and may angelic beings of light comfort the wounds within.

at the moment he is way ahead of you my friend.

regards

roman

[gripreaper]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
I think Gripreaper we have to move on my friend, always waiting, its not good either. roman

In my opinion, this response is cryptic and does not address the "tone" and "color" of your previous remark.

So, who is We that you are referring to?

So, when you say "move on", from what to what? Away from what towards what? Is this a linear timeline you are referring to, and which one?

When you say "always waiting", is it YOU that is always waiting for the rest of us to catch up to your level of awakening, or who is waiting for whom?

And when you say "it's not good", which part? The gays as an expression, Jim's take on gays, this thread, manifestation itself, some aspect of this
manifestation, Avalon's level of awareness, empathy, understanding? What is IT that you perceive as "not good"?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
All this is all soooo wrong, misunderstood, misapplied, distorted, (and offensive) and on soooo many levels. Sorry.

I'll confront just the first issue, a real clanger:

Posted by jiminii (here)
70 percent or more do not have SPIRITS CONNECTED TO THEM so these 70 percent are basically ROBOTS

100% of human beings have spirits in them. Where there is life, there is spirit. And vice versa. Plain and simple! It is impossible for a human being to function without a soul. There would also be no purpose, as a human being is in its one and only purpose a vehicle, a 3-dimensional physical construct for a soul to experience through.

But I don't want to go overboard here. Respect to you jimini for your input and undoubted wisdom in many areas, but some of the points you bring up here are just ghastly ghastly ghastly. I can say no more.

Oh, except one other thing, regarding what more and more are beginning to believe.. this is NOT a prison planet, unless you choose to go to prison. This is the planet of FREE CHOICE, expressed through duality. No one has to come here. We that are here now have chosen to come here for the variety and richness of experience that is offers. The only thing that would 'trap' us here would be a desire to accelerate our progression, and an inherent 'need' on a higher level that would bring us back to complete (and perfect) any unfinished business we have (karma).

Sounds as you're not widely read enough to say that. No not all human are the carriers of spirit, read more appropriate information.

regards

roman

I am very well read, but of course that does not mean that everything we read (you, and me) is true. But even beyond second-hand information I feel it too: everything that is alive accommodates at least some degree of spirit-energy.

Even if a human being did not have a soul, I believe it would be even less than a robot, like a vegetable, unconscious and probably bed-ridden (which can be sometimes the case, for example a patient in Intensive Care whose body is too damaged to continue its life experience. In this instance the spirit has often fled already, and the body is only being kept 'alive' with life support systems).

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
I think Gripreaper we have to move on my friend, always waiting, its not good either. roman

In my opinion, this response is cryptic and does not address the "tone" and "color" of your previous remark.

So, who is We that you are referring to?

So, when you say "move on", from what to what? Away from what towards what? Is this a linear timeline you are referring to, and which one?

When you say "always waiting", is it YOU that is always waiting for the rest of us to catch up to your level of awakening, or who is waiting for whom?

And when you say "it's not good", which part? The gays as an expression, Jim's take on gays, this thread, manifestation itself, some aspect of this
manifestation, Avalon's level of awareness, empathy, understanding? What is IT that you perceive as "not good"?

Yes exactly that to all my friend.

regards roman

[Billy]

I feel the tone of the OP of this thread is hostile.

Bye.

Peace

[gripreaper]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Yes exactly that to all my friend. regards roman

Ok, you don't want to clarify, I accept that. What I don't accept is homophobia, or those who want to place themselves above the rest of us because, for some reason, their path is more enlightened, or they perceive awakening as some sort of linear projection and they find themselves further along such a scale, and therefore elevate themselves above the rest of us, and then refuse to clarify or delineate that which they mean for the rest of us.

If we are such "simple minds" with "such a long way to go" then why bother? Why wait for us, or as you say, Jim's understanding of the tone of homosexuals is empathic? really? All things are empathic that you emanate into the matrix Roman, so I should look closer into the energetic tone and timbre of your words and be able to decipher what you mean by using my energy, and therefore, those who cannot "hear you" are somehow just not tuned into the "wavelength" where you and Jim reside and therefore, no need to clarify because it would be pointless to try and clarify for such simple minds? So, we cannot be reached?

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by billyji (here)
I feel the tone of the OP of this thread is hostile.

Bye.

Peace

Your feeling would be most perfectly wrong, cant handle objectiveness.

regards

roman

[shadowstalker]

Still wondering where this info came from?

Is it personal?
Study groups?
Channeled info?
Aliens?

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Yes exactly that to all my friend. regards roman

Ok, you don't want to clarify, I accept that. What I don't accept is homophobia, or those who want to place themselves above the rest of us because, for some reason, their path is more enlightened, or they perceive awakening as some sort of linear projection and they find themselves further along such a scale, and therefore elevate themselves above the res of us, and then refuse to clarify or delineate that which they mean for the rest of us.

If we are such "simple minds" with "such a long way to go" then why bother? Why wait for us, or as you say, Jim's understanding of the tone of homosexuals is empathic? really? All things are empathic that you emanate into the matrix Roman, so I should look closer into the energetic tone and timbre of your words and be able to decipher what you mean by using my energy, and therefore, those who cannot "hear you" are somehow just not tuned into the "wavelength" where you and Jim reside and therefore, no need to clarify because it would be pointless to try and clarify for such simple minds? So, we cannot be reached?

Before you go any further, I had juat read your first line, not necessary to read the rest, there is no homophobia here, that's you're take on this, that's why I have said and repeat you don't understand, and you are pointing fingers in ignorance.

Regards

roman

[jiminii]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
eek. Jim, you gotta toss a little sugar on your message from time to time. sure, there is a certain group of homosexuals that are deliberately flamboyant, and maybe a little annoying to folks who can't relate, but you've just objectified an entire group of people; you've tossed the baby *and the bathtub* out with the bathwater.

it's just this sort of attitude that starts those wars you've so famously claimed to have singlehandedly stopped. careful brother....careful.....

ok I said they are somewhere around this area as you go down from anger it becomes more perverted. No sympathy is just above covert hostility.

1.1 and next 1.2 is no sympathy ... a guy is in a quicksand pit and the no sympathy comes along and throws the man both ends of the rope and says "ok let's see you get out"

now the covert hostile gay probably gets some person who just had a breakup with his wife or girl friend and gives him sympathy and then starts in on the erotic sex trip. and with sex he locks in this happy sad incident that makes people compulsive about sex and the perversion is added ... the guy hates it but he likes the sex but he hates the perversion and he gets HOOKED into a aesthetic wave combined with this perversion and the hate of it,

And it hooks him. this is covert hostility.

now the covert hostile person likes to bring down the higher tones but he/she also has a lot of lower tone people they have already hooked. So if you were to go into that crowd I would suspect that he is not interested in the people he has hooked, he is interested in the person who has a lot of theta he can pull down.

this is not just GAY. this is also the butterfly guy hopping from one girl to another. They are quite like vampires in Hooking people to control them with their lies.

so we are not just talking about gay ... here .. ok?

we are talking about how the covert hostile people bring down a society.

people get sick around these covert hostile people and when you see how they fell for the twisted lies that suppress them they can break from from them

that is all this thread is about

if you want to know where the data is .. Read LRH's Science of Survival and it tells you how to spot tone levels so you don't get messed by lower tone people.

jim

[shadowstalker]

Then why bring up gays at all???
Let alone dragging down any group?

[gripreaper]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Before you go any further, I had just read your first line, not necessary to read the rest, there is no homophobia here, that's you're take on this, that's why I have said and repeat you don't understand, and you are pointing fingers in ignorance. Regards roman

Well, please excuse me for making "suppositions" about Jim's intent, and yours as well, although I was left to do so (after me asking many times for clarification), as you refused to. Using the word "homophobia" did get you to react, did it not? So, Jim's attempt to point out the energetic signature of those souls who engage in sexual activity within some energetic level which is below a certain threshold (somewhere below death) based on some "scale" (which has not been defined except to a few, I suppose), and to which Jim uses the term "gay", as a descriptor, is empathic, in your view?

Oh, and thank you for your judgement of me, categorizing me as one of the lower life forms stuck in some lower astral energy (probably with the gays)since I don't understand how energy works, or the extensive knowledge and experience which you and Jim have in regards to the higher brain centers.

I'm just ignorant and don't understand. Thanks for that Roman. This is empathy?

[ROMANWKT]

I was a lower tone person for 30 years, I was involved with women, that most would never match, listen to what he is saying, and understand, don't judge, don't homophobic, listen, or you will be brought down, its real and it exists.

regards

roman

JUST IN CASE, NO i WAS NOT A PIMP, NOTHING LIKE THAT.

[Mike]

Jim, i see. i've met people like this (that you described above). certainly these types of scenarios have occured, but it might help if you were to announce that you don't feel *all* gays are covertly hostile. i understand the concept, but you're making some very broad generalizations here.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Before you go any further, I had just read your first line, not necessary to read the rest, there is no homophobia here, that's you're take on this, that's why I have said and repeat you don't understand, and you are pointing fingers in ignorance. Regards roman

Well, please excuse me for making "suppositions" about Jim's intent, and yours as well, although I was left to do so (after me asking many times for clarification), as you refused to. Using the word "homophobia" did get you to react, did it not? So, Jim's attempt to point out the energetic signature of those souls who engage in sexual activity within some energetic level which is below a certain threshold (somewhere below death) based on some "scale" (which has not been defined except to a few, I suppose), and to which Jim uses the term "gay", as a descriptor, is empathic, in your view?

Oh, and thank you for your judgement of me, categorizing me as one of the lower life forms stuck in some lower astral energy (probably with the gays)since I don't understand how energy works, or the extensive knowledge and experience which you and Jim have in regards to the higher brain centers.

I'm just ignorant and don't understand. Thanks for that Roman. This is empathy?

No not meant that way, even if it sound like that, complicated.

regards

roman

[shadowstalker]

Science of Survival
The most useful book you will ever own. Built around the Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation, Science of Survival provides the first accurate prediction of human behavior. Included on the chart are all the manifestations of an individual’s survival potential graduated from highest to lowest, making this the complete book on the Tone Scale. Knowing only one or two characteristics of a person and using this chart, you can plot his or her position on the Tone Scale and thereby know the rest, obtaining an accurate index of their entire personality, conduct and character.

Before this book the world was convinced that cases could not improve but only deteriorate. Science of Survival presents the idea of different states of case and the brand-new idea that one can progress upward on the Tone Scale.


I say the scale has some major flaws in it...
Along side with the ppl who use and misrepresent it's findings..
It's all to convenient..

A lot of LRH works are way to judgmental and self serving to gain power over many.. Just like any other religion. People have a nasty habit of using what they learn against others...