The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[TraineeHuman]

Rocks don’t suffer in anything like the way humans do, Freed Fox. For a rock, being pushed around is fine. This is because rocks don’t seem to have any clear sense of individual self. The same with animals, unless they’ve had interaction with humans, particularly as pets, and even then they’re more immersed, via instinct, in the common consciousness of their species. So, even pets don’t feel pain and so on as intensely as humans do. They don’t have much of a notion of self-pity.

I suspect the reason our pets may hang around in the astral waiting till we die so they can be re-united with us is that we’re the only means they’ve had of starting to become aware of themselves as individual.

I haven’t read the Hylozoics material. It seems to be an attempt to improve on such things as Blavatsky. That’s good, because I do know for fact that some of Blavatsky’s notions were inaccurate – even if less misleading than, say, conventional Christianity.

I don’t read other people’s doctrines. I only “read” what I am given to experience or understand directly. One thing I noticed in the Hylozoics material was that there are planetary rulers. I can affirm that I know from direct experience that the planet is ruled by an extremely benevolent being, who seems to be replaced by another similar being every several thousand years. I do know I’ve had direct contact with the very great, very benevolent God whom I know as Pan, and that he has occupied the position of planetary ruler of Earth many, many times, going back into the mists of time. Archons – which is presumably what Lucifer/Jahweh is – don’t actually rule the planet at all, contrary to the apparent beliefs of many members here. They are only given free rein to do certain terrible things for a time because it suits the very long-term, ultimately very constructive purposes of the true planetary ruler. People should completely stop believing anything they read. They should either find out for themselves for sure, or else be honest enough to admit they don’t know.

[TraineeHuman]

For me “out of body” only makes true sense when it means “beyond any body” – that is, in the free-floating stillness or bliss of the Higher Mind.

It makes true sense because it’s only while we’re in touch with the Higher Mind that we see directly that the world, even existence itself, is undeniably a positive thing in its very core nature, that it’s great just to be alive.

The aim is to keep at least a sense and feeling of that positivity at all times. Then it doesn’t matter what work you do, what stranger or customer you meet, what partner you have, and so on. Though, if you have a negative enough partner or workplace, you may well need to swap them ASAP with someone or some place more positive.

To some, of course, utter stillness may sound ridiculously simple – and unnecessary. The trouble is, one half or side of your Higher Mind – and that’s half of the better half of you yourself! – actually is a piece of alive, intelligent stillness. Without it, strangely enough perhaps, you are simply never complete, and therefore never truly happy deep down. The Higher Mind is the answer – to everything. It’s the missing piece people are really searching for when they seek ‘the meaning of life”, if you’ll pardon the cliché.

In a very strange way that defies words but is what everyone experiences when they experience the Higher Mind, the latter has two sides. One side is the stillness. Its simplicity is deceptive in so many ways. For instance, it’s beyond “time”, because it only recognizes the eternal Now, which is the true time. That doesn’t mean, though, that all “time” gets somehow compressed into one zillionth of a second or less! Being truly, simply still always automatically means skillfully holding all complexities together in a state of perfect balance. And that stillness, if experienced fully, is the most delicious and the most satisfying of all human experiences, I believe.

The other side to the Higher Mind is positivity, if not outright bliss. And there’s more to that side too, as I’ll try to explain a little.

At any of the many levels of the Higher Mind, and indeed of Source as well, we experience these two contradictory sides. On the one hand there is a pure silence or emptiness, which at first may feel bizarre to you if you experience it strongly all at once. This silence is deeply at rest but ever so deeply contented and self-sufficient. On the other hand, we have not only positivity but empathy and understanding, plus a great creative power always looking for things to positive-fy. (I mean, to turn positive.) It seems to have a boundless number of qualities, every one of them good.

What can it be that holds these two quite opposite aspects of Higher Mind so inseparably together? Well, whatever it is, I’m pretty sure it’s unknowable. A “detachment” or “transcendence” of the ultimate sort, that much is for sure.

And out of that unknowable whatever, it seems that everything, impossibly, gets created. Not only that. This unknowable whatever can’t create something out of nothing. It can only create – out of its own fabric, out of itself! Whatever it is we are made out of it, we are in reality cut from that golden cloth.

Concealed inside its great stillness, the Higher Mind holds many secrets. For instance, for it all possible timelines are perceived simultaneously. Possibilities and actualities for it are intertwined into a whole, complete with how they interrelate. That’s what I call Higher imagination!

The reason people struggle with the notion of other timelines is that unless we fully use our Higher Mind, we don’t set free the creative genius to do a walkthrough of the entire creative process because we could see all possibilities clearly, just as if they had all been made fully actual.

[TraineeHuman]

“Knowing” is something whose essence we don’t understand. That applies even to the Higher Mind’s knowing, and even to Source’s (“all”-)knowing. All knowing is flawed – it always includes so much that’s unknown, no matter what we may try.

So, may I suggest the way to know most accurately is to do the same as what Source does.

I guess the art of archery as traditionally practiced in Zen Buddhism kind of points towards this. In Zen archery, the aim is to learn how to hit the target every time while blindfolded – i.e., while you’re in complete unknowing, visually. The way you learn to do it involves totally letting go of all that’s known about how to hit that target. Then, bingo! after enough practice you get the accurate information, for that moment only, and you hit the target. This really happens to Zen Buddhist archers.

In astral travel you “hit the target” by completely letting go of your physical body. In meditation you do it by letting go of the ego’s superficial chattering thoughts related to survival, and also of thinking in general.

What about in everyday life? If every moment you kept completely letting go of any identity for yourself – even if much the same identity kept on coming back the next moment – what would happen? Can you live your life as a permanently “lost” person?

Mainly through PMs, I’ve discovered there are quite a few other members who like me are of recent ET origin. For the likes of us, one trap in living the “continually lost” or “forever letting go” life is that we can get trapped in naivety. This seems to mainly apply in the first three or four decades of life. I guess it occurs because we have such a strong sense that so many things in the culture and civilization aren’t being done the way they should be, the way they were in the planet or world we’ve been used to in our recent past.

As you learn to “get lost”, you’ll probably have some strange incidents of having to re-learn some things. Don’t be surprised if one day you’ll find it necessary to re-learn how to walk, or drive, to give maybe the most dramatic examples. You may find it necessary at different times to re-learn all sorts of bodily movements and habits. Another example is that you may have to painfully and laboriously re-teach yourself the skill of memorizing information, because you’ll be to preoccupied with unknowing. You may have mornings where you wake up and you initially have no idea where you are, or who you are. (And I assume you’re not suffering from early Alzheimers or some brain injury.)

In mainstream Western culture we are somewhat strongly influenced, particularly via Christianity and Judaism, by something that’s known as Platonism. In its ancient Egyptian / ancient Hebrew form it goes back to before Plato and Plotinus. But the part of Platonism I’m focusing on is the part that claims that if you grasp the concept of a thing, then you have grasped the full essence of that thing. Plato didn’t seem to appreciate that concepts only point towards their meaning; that the word is not the thing itself. I guess this explains why certain types of Christians believe with total certainty that such-and-such is precisely “what God wants” today or even “what God tells them” specifically today. They use the word “God” very freely, as if they were talking about Fred who’s been living next door for years. I see this as another example of the Platonic influence, creating the illusion that one fully and completely “knows” all sorts of deep realities which one may not know truly at all.

[animovado]

As you learn to “get lost”, you’ll probably have some strange incidents of having to re-learn some things.

I remember a moment were it wasn't possible for me to read my own writing. It was like this ancient cuneiform. I knew that it had a meaning but it made no sense anymore to me and so it had a really strange beauty. After maybe half an hour it came back to me, my "left-brainer".

I heard also from several meditating people that they had problems of orientation in their daily life sometimes.

Perhaps it needs some practice with the newly achieved freedoms...,
as ever.

[TraineeHuman]

Continuing about the knowing that comes from the Higher Mind, let’s be clear that this is intuitive knowing – and it’s quite distinct from (lower) intellectual knowing.

At some point your intuition starts to “speak” to you more and more, to flow through you more and more, stronger and stronger – stronger because it gets easier and easier for you to pay attention to it.

It’s a bit befuddling for the (lower) mind, because your intuition frequently hits bulls-eyes “blindfolded”. And the intuition in a flash knows things the (lower) mind would never hope to know. It plucks these things out of nothing, out of thin air.

The intuition readily makes “lateral” jumps. It connects things which seemed quite dissimilar. But the connections it makes are usually more helpful than the logical ones.

This doesn’t mean we can do away with using the rational mind altogether. The intuition isn’t very good at doing accounts, for instance. Also, I can attest that the intuition takes over as our main guide in life. But we still need to use the lower mind to fine-tune how we need to implement the intuitions insights in the light of practical limitations.

Intuition operates through inspiration, not unlike how a creative artist conceives his/her important works. Whether it’s large or small, though, inspiration seems to be the primary means by which the intuition expresses itself, once it gets strong. Intuition always sees and comes from a big picture, not a limited one. Inspiration seems to be the primary means by which the Higher Mind expresses its positivity side.

When I was younger I would always be making lateral jumps in my thinking. People would say things like: “You must have an extremely good imagination,” or “I can’t understand you – you’re too mysterious.” I gradually learnt how to dress up my insights with rational-sounding reasons for having them – at least when I was around people who didn’t know me well.

One caution, though, is that the ego can try to pass off some of its wildness for the wildness of the intuition. Also, the ego can develop “special abilities”, such as some psychic abilities, in imitation of the intuition. The difference is that the intuition always comes out of a place of unknowing, of surrender and awe at the wonder of it all, an dof insights that come not from it but somehow are “given” to it.

[TraineeHuman]

As you learn to bring in your intuition, or indeed your Higher Mind, one thing you’ll experience is that it has far more intensity or “energy” than the normal you you have been used to. You (that is, your ego, your inner child and your lower mind) may feel extremely restless as a result. Don’t worry. That’s normal.

You may notice that if you try to “descend” this greater intelligence/awareness into your lower self and your body too quickly, you’ll initially run out of puff and fail.

This is because the first step is that you need to become fluent in using intuition, in continually listening to whatever your intuition is suggesting.

Certainly, we are here in the physical world in order that we may “descend” the fruits of intuition into our everyday lives. That’s a major part of the lesson we got born here to learn. Yes, we were meant to learn to bring down the power of our intuition into the home and marketplace, to wherever possible make the lives of our family members and workmates happy. Beyond that, even to make the whole planet a better place, as Bill Ryan’s latest thread describes.

But first we need to build up a strong enough “momentum” or “force” of indomitable and sincere positivity that has become an organic part of us like breathing, and isn’t somehow forced or contrived. Otherwise, all that wonderful power will get dissipated as it fails to stand up to the slings and arrows of outrageous egos, or of our own egoic misdirection. Need I add that the ego’s issues need to have been largely worked through first?

Zen Buddhism traditionally used to require its monks to master at least two kinds of creative arts as a way of practicing becoming very fluent with the intuition and building it up to be strong and an organic part of oneself. I’ve already mentioned archery, which was one of the Zen martial arts. We Westerners may not consider some of the Zen arts as “arts”, certainly not as fine arts. But the way they were practiced was with a practical emphasis, which helped the Zen monks graduate from the (higher) world of pure intuition to its practical application in the physical. Flower arrangement or a peaceful tea ceremony may not exactly be Beethoven or da Vinci, but the practical application in the face of the ego and the (lower) mind’s psychic pollution was the end aim.

I’ve mentioned how the unknowing side of the intuition can be so strong, you can forget how to concentrate , or temporarily lose your memory, and so on. Those sorts of things can happen while your intuition is still getting stronger; or else when it’s morphing to a higher level of intensity and positivity.

At the risk of repeating myself, let me say again that learning to practice and bear stillness is usually the most important way to strengthen the intuition.

Incidentally, once your intuition is truly strong you should be able to astral travel rather easily. Maybe it could take you several attempts each time, but basically the skill would already be there. You would already have a stable sense of what lies “above”, and also roughly of what lies between the physical and the intuitive realms.

You may notice also that even with a strengthened intuition probably half of what goes on inside you will still be subconscious or unconscious – even if you accept and face your dark side ever so fully. The Higher Mind reaches beyond the intuition and the ends of the universe. But it always uses the intuition to express itself.

Your intuitions do not always need to be specific. They can just be a bathing in Light and stillness, and simply bringing Light and stillness down into, say, a bad habit will indeed transform it. You just have to be able to hold that Light or stillness there long enough, without letting it get dissipated.

By the way, I’ve mentioned this a few times before, but the ego always kicks back hard after you’ve dissolved a part of it – such as a bad habit, or half a bad habit.

Let’s also be clear that it’s not a matter of just one “descent”, but of many little “descents”, until the big one has mostly happened anyway.

Eventually you will have basically a Light-filled, proactive mind and heart and body-consciousness and cells and behavior and everything else.

Two final comments, for now. Intuition is wholistic. It can’t be put in a box, or fully captured or defined or systematized, or even fully understood.

Secondly, your lower side, such as the ego, will do what it can to resist, resist, resist all the way.

[TraineeHuman]

When you first start living from intuition, or from the Higher Mind, that inner consciousness seems like a dream. It seems so light and delicate you may feel tempted to dismiss it. But if you progress on and stay with the inner consciousness, then eventually it will seem like the outward “consciousness” – your physical, emotional and mental parts – are like a delusion, and certainly the part of you that’s full of imperfections, inadequacies, and inbuilt limitations. The outward part at some point stops being what you kind of automatically regard as your “self”. At that point you switch over. So, the tiny mustard seed eventually grows into a gigantic tree freely giving overwhelming shade. But you have to learn to trust that tiny seed – to listen to the initially ever so soft small, still voice.

For most Westerners it seems to be necessary to also “open their heart” and get truly in touch with all their feelings before they are able to truly keep listening to that inner “voice”.

There is also an in between period before the full switchover, where you find that at in one situation the Higher Mind is there with all its peace and you are happy, while in another situation you’re just full of failings and weaknesses and limitations.

At a still later point the inner consciousness slowly, quietly, gradually works its “descent” into the outward consciousness – provided you spend time either meditating or engaging in some other introverted activity, such as perhaps an art or craft – or even just being quiet and listening for what your intuition may tell you.

[Andrew]

Some interesting posts disappeared from here since the hacking scandal...

[TraineeHuman]

Here's one of the erstwhile lost posts:

The following is in response to Freed Fox's request for a comment on Hylozoics.

Hylozoics claims that everything there is (on any plane or universe) is reducible to matter, consciousness and motion. I’ve mostly only read the first two pages or so of a text on Hylozoics. But, as it happens, unfortunately this thread has already discussed various relevant issues which I believe have made plain some of the ways it’s inadequate and even incorrect to claim that reality is ultimately made out of matter, consciousness and motion. Let me elaborate.

We already had some discussion, between FrankoL, Justoneman and myself, around posts #154 to #166, regarding the fact that reality (of all levels) is and must ultimately be of one type, not three. Reality is one, unitary. In particular, we explained in some detail why it is that at an ultimate level everything must reduce either to consciousness or to matter, but not to both. Thus all physical matter reduces to being what’s really a dense variety of consciousness. There were also, I thought, some very good reasons offered in the above posts which, unlike the conceptual foundations of Hylozoics I’m afraid, would, I believe, be fully acceptable in the world of professional philosophy, that saying that everything is made of consciousness is a superior explanation to saying that everything is (made of) matter. (See also post #1093.)

In addition, in posts such as #1061 I’ve explained at length why it’s a fact of modern physics that physical reality and any (electromagnetic) energy reality (which the 4D and 5D worlds are) is in no way made of objects at a subatomic level. Not long after my post #1061, Deepak Chopra also released a video trying to explain similar points to those I had been making -- very fully consistent with that post of mine.

Now, if objects are purely and totally a fiction, at least in the physical and astral worlds at a subatomic level and smaller, I’d like to suggest that matter must be also, in any of the usual senses in which people think of matter. Plato defined matter as that which gives forms -- which in the physical plus astral are totally equivalent to objects -- their solidity. But physics had proved largely already by the early twentieth century that in reality no such solidity exists at all: all there is is forms plus empty space, and that’s all. Physical matter is a fiction, like a mirage or an optical illusion. The table you rest your elbow on may seem solid, but actually its 99.99% empty space, as we know. And the only reason we have the optical illusion and the tactile illusion that it's solid is because there are enough electron-orbit forms there at any given time to make it seem solid to you. But it was proved that the only place where there might be any matter at all is inside one of the electron or positron or neutrino forms, or inside the atomic nucleus forms. Unfortunately, its also been proved that even those sub-microscopically tiny forms are themselves made out of nothing but even further forms plus empty space. There's no matter beyond the forms and space, at all. No matter anywhere, in the entire physical universe! So, why use the word “matter” as a foundational concept for everything when in the physical world (and astral worlds) it’s purely a fiction? And what is non-physical, non-astral “matter” even like? Does it have any resemblance at all to physical matter, given that it would not be an illusion while physical matter is purely an illusion?

And Im not convinced about the third irreducible concept of Hylozoics, namely, the concept of motion. Motion is what happens to objects. But, again, in the physical and astral worlds (and, I happen to know, in all higher worlds and universes) objects are ultimately a pure fiction, which makes motion purely a fiction also. Plus, consciousness is actually a very dynamic thing, so it already has a type of “motion” implicit in it, I would have thought.

This is not to say that there may not be (many) very useful things somewhere in the Hylozoics material. I don’t know if there are or not. But obviously, I regret I’m not impressed by the claimed foundational concepts, except for the concept of consciousness. Plato and Aristotle chose form, space and matter. Those three concepts weren’t conducive to creating an enlightened planet. We need something better than the likes of that -- though consciousness is very good as a foundation of everything else.

[Benimal]

Hey TraineeHuman. There's some stuff I've been reading about which I'm curious to hear your opinion on. Apparently we have been able to artificially induce OBE's in people with electricity. Also, a recent study has shown that when we die there is actually a surge of brain activity which could be resposible for NDE's. I've been a long time believer of OBE's and NDE's but I'm not sure what to make of these findings.

Love&Light

Ben

[TraineeHuman]

Certainly any OB or “higher world” experience seems to need a higher level of life-force energy than normal. I guess there’s some kind of analogy with how an aeroplane needs to have a certain velocity in order to take off; or how a rocket needs to reach the escape velocity in order to break free of the pull of gravity. It seems that before, during and after their experience of death, people become considerably more strongly energized than in typical astral travel.

I would say there's more to a person than anything that's electrical/magnetic, though, and those studies presumably aren't able to pick it up. The Higher Mind/Consciousness is so wholistic in nature, I'm not sure if it's measurable by any instrument -- unless it freely chooses to communicate some message, I guess.

[NancyV]

Posted by ShamanicShredder (here)
Hey TraineeHuman. There's some stuff I've been reading about which I'm curious to hear your opinion on. Apparently we have been able to artificially induce OBE's in people with electricity. Also, a recent study has shown that when we die there is actually a surge of brain activity which could be resposible for NDE's. I've been a long time believer of OBE's and NDE's but I'm not sure what to make of these findings.

Love&Light

Ben

I have experimented with quite a few different types of machines, from brain-wave synchronizers, schuman resonance emitter, several different PEMF machines - (Pulsed Electromagnetic Field), and a couple of machines I don't remember what they were. One of the machines was so powerful it tore a hole into another dimension. A friend of mine and I used it together as it had two handles. Each of us held one handle and then held hands completing the circuit. We did it with 5 people a few times and although we got very "high" we didn't have the same result as when just the two of us did it together.

We were stuck in this dimension looking through a huge opening into another dimension with monks in a monastery chanting. It was horribly uncomfortable and we couldn't stop it for about 5 hours. So we never used THAT machine again! LOL...

The PEMF machines were very beneficial for raising my vibrational frequency. The most powerful one I used was a Papimi machine. It gave me a huge amount of incredibly relaxed energy, raising my vibrational frequency. I have two close friends who had out of body experiences using a Bemer3000. One of my friends who used it is an old Tai Chi teacher who is very familiar with Chi and OBE's. He felt the machine was very beneficial and useful for raising vibrational frequency.

As far as using electricity, as opposed to electromagnetic frequencies, I've tried a couple of direct electricity type machines and had horrible reactions to them. But we are each unique and react differently to things. I would be interested to know how they induced OBE's with electricity. About a year ago I got rid of a machine that used direct electrical stimulation for pain management, which I got for my husband, but of course I tried it. We both had bad reactions to that machine.

The best PEMF machines that are small enough and more affordable than a Papimi machine, which is around 40,000, are the Bemer3000, MRS2000 and the Medithera. They are all around $3000-$4000. If one is inclined to experiment with inducing OBE's via a machine, these are the ones that could be effective. They also happen to heal a huge number of illnesses, aches and pains. I totally got rid of symptoms from a stroke by using PEMF therapy AND I got very high and cured a couple of long standing health issues.

I have traveled out of body hundreds of times just through meditation but I still have enjoyed experimenting with all kinds of weird machines over the years AND drugs many decades ago. I think OBE's done naturally, without drugs, are MUCH better because I lost much control with hallucinogenics. However PEMF machines are just an aid to raising your vibratory rate so they don't cause any loss of control and can help in leaving the body.

[TraineeHuman]

Hi, Nancy. Thank you for the very interesting information about different machines. I've seen magnetic coils used for physical healing. Would they be EMPs too, I wonder?

Would you be willing to tell us any more about that tear in the dimension? Did you experience two "timelines" or whatever at once for those five hours? And how did you psychically protect yourself / heal yourself, during or afterwards?

For the last nine months I've been living next door to a telephone exchange, which undoubtedly contains extremely high voltages. However, I have two orgone accumulators (and several minor EM shielding devices), which seem to protect my space from any harmful effects. A few days after I moved in I became vaguely aware that I was somehow using the high voltage to give what seemed like a real boost to some of my energies. That voltage next door feels consistently nice to me.

Incidentally, it seems we may all need some shielding from harmful electromagnetic or microwave radiation, which an orgone accumulator does provide. At the most recent Mind Body Spirit Festival here in Australia, I heard someone speak who is a professional feng shui consultant and dowser. He also has an awesome reputation with serious people as a psychic healer, and for being extremely accurate in his dowsing etc. he explained that since something like (I think) four years ago there is a low frequency grid of radio waves covering the entire land surface of the planet, something like ten feet below the surface. He was very clear that he has determined it has harmful weakening effects on all human energy fields -- it "targets" everybody, in a sense. He claims it's far worse than the sum total of what's coming from the HAARP installations. He was also recommending that everyone should buy an orgone accumulator as protection. As I imagine you're quite aware, Nancy, psychic attacks (the ones I'm aware of) often come from below the ground, conveyed in some electromagnetic form.

[TraineeHuman]

Once one starts bringing down and using the intuition regularly, they have made a big breakthrough, as I’d like to now describe.

In these Forums over the last five years I’ve seen quite a few posts now and then about the importance of coming from “Love” or from “your heart”. That’s fine, though I’d like to ask what does this really involve?

The world that the majority of people “out there” seem to live in is something that they have knowledge about through and by thought(s). That’s not to deny at all that people also emote/feel and have physical experiences too. But until the intuition comes down and becomes active, I suggest the only type of knowing which people generally have is via thought. Thought is what gives structure to their memories or knowledge of the experiences they have.

When intuition comes down, it “intuitivizes” – or, if you like, “spiritualizes” – and thereby sets free not only your thoughts/intellect but also your emotions/feelings and your physical actions/sensations. That’s the big breakthrough. On reflection, I’d say about half of the point of why I’ve persistently talked about “bi-location” has been to refer to this: having, say, both a physical sensation but also having intuitive knowing working fully at the same time.

The intuition is wholistic, in touch with all, and therefore capable of far more , and guiding more truly than, the (lower) intellect ever could.

Some alternative people seem to see themselves as strongly anti-intellectual – because they appreciate that almost everything in society is a construct of the intellect, of thought. All the conditioning, everything. I’m not definitely convinced, though, that absolutely all of them may have as yet activated their intuition fully enough to replace the dominance of (lower) intellect in their own selves, whether they fully appreciate it’s also happening in themselves, in that case, or not.

And once the intuition is truly activated, the “intuitivized” intellect is not something to be avoided or rejected. However, it now shares with and balances with and gives deep respect to intuitivized feeling/emotion and intuitivized sensation/action. It doesn’t seek to dominate these, as the lower intellect did before.

Someone may point out that I’ve recently mentioned the necessity of making the “inner” part of you more important, but I’ve also been saying the intuition is “higher”. And yes, there is both an inner/outer “direction” and a higher/lower one. As I’ve said before, you do need to activate the “inner” in you first. At that point it’s possible to take on the influence of the higher –as with the intuition --, or the lower. The latter seems to be what occurs in cases of drug or alcohol addiction, or of “possession”.

People sometimes talk of “the true heart” when strictly speaking what they mean, or intend to mean, is the intuition – if most of the ancient Eastern spiritual traditions are trusted as even vaguely accurate.

[Shamz]

Dear Nancy

You never cease to amaze me with your stories - how wonderful. Would you care to write a book about all your experiences

On the same token - I think Trainee should also think about writing a book... with all the posts in this thread - I am sure a good size book can be written. If you give me permission I can start doing that... haha... no I won't

Much love to you guys.

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by ShamanicShredder (here)
Hey TraineeHuman. There's some stuff I've been reading about which I'm curious to hear your opinion on. Apparently we have been able to artificially induce OBE's in people with electricity. Also, a recent study has shown that when we die there is actually a surge of brain activity which could be resposible for NDE's. I've been a long time believer of OBE's and NDE's but I'm not sure what to make of these findings.

Love&Light

Ben

I have experimented with quite a few different types of machines, from brain-wave synchronizers, schuman resonance emitter, several different PEMF machines - (Pulsed Electromagnetic Field), and a couple of machines I don't remember what they were. One of the machines was so powerful it tore a hole into another dimension. A friend of mine and I used it together as it had two handles. Each of us held one handle and then held hands completing the circuit. We did it with 5 people a few times and although we got very "high" we didn't have the same result as when just the two of us did it together.

We were stuck in this dimension looking through a huge opening into another dimension with monks in a monastery chanting. It was horribly uncomfortable and we couldn't stop it for about 5 hours. So we never used THAT machine again! LOL...

The PEMF machines were very beneficial for raising my vibrational frequency. The most powerful one I used was a Papimi machine. It gave me a huge amount of incredibly relaxed energy, raising my vibrational frequency. I have two close friends who had out of body experiences using a Bemer3000. One of my friends who used it is an old Tai Chi teacher who is very familiar with Chi and OBE's. He felt the machine was very beneficial and useful for raising vibrational frequency.

As far as using electricity, as opposed to electromagnetic frequencies, I've tried a couple of direct electricity type machines and had horrible reactions to them. But we are each unique and react differently to things. I would be interested to know how they induced OBE's with electricity. About a year ago I got rid of a machine that used direct electrical stimulation for pain management, which I got for my husband, but of course I tried it. We both had bad reactions to that machine.

The best PEMF machines that are small enough and more affordable than a Papimi machine, which is around 40,000, are the Bemer3000, MRS2000 and the Medithera. They are all around $3000-$4000. If one is inclined to experiment with inducing OBE's via a machine, these are the ones that could be effective. They also happen to heal a huge number of illnesses, aches and pains. I totally got rid of symptoms from a stroke by using PEMF therapy AND I got very high and cured a couple of long standing health issues.

I have traveled out of body hundreds of times just through meditation but I still have enjoyed experimenting with all kinds of weird machines over the years AND drugs many decades ago. I think OBE's done naturally, without drugs, are MUCH better because I lost much control with hallucinogenics. However PEMF machines are just an aid to raising your vibratory rate so they don't cause any loss of control and can help in leaving the body.

[soleil]

hi guys, i havent posted much lately.... i have been working on myself, to make some changes.

im currently taking a real leap of faith in attempt to find a job (whether sales or not sales-y) in my field of interest; rather than using my sales expertise to make money for "the man".

i am truly hoping hoping to get this job at a little spiritual shop in my new area to spend more time with my family, while still being in an environment conducive to my learning, maybe one that will help me with my learning.

basically i went out on a limb and emailed the owner asking for a job. this was almost a month ago. and after a month of me working on making my job option manifest itself, she tells me today that she wants to meet me in person about a possible job position, and to come by tonight.

so please wish my luck all, so that soon i will (hopefully) be making a serious (life) change.

yowza

love you all!!!

[TraineeHuman]

Good luck, sway! My intuition suggests the owner of the shop is still deciding what she thinks of you.

I’ve had the experience of working for a little over ten years in areas that were totally my real passion, but also for many years in areas which weren’t. Strangely, perhaps, I wonder if I didn’t learn more in the latter, and maybe even contribute more there to the lives of those who were around. A person’s “inner” part should of course eventually transform not only their own “outer” part but also some of what else is “outer” around them.

Still, the chance to spend more time with your family is (hopefully) a big positive. Even if you don’t get this one, if you keep going you can only get stronger at manifesting what you truly want.

[ruthy]

I am very interested in this thread, more than most other topics on Project Avalon. I agree with a couple of people on here, who mentioned that there is no real "method" for having an out of body experience. Stretching, chanting ohms...may only work for certain people, because these methods only trick your mind into thinking they work...the real secret to having an out of body experience is your INTENT- the innate desire for it with everything in you. In fact Intent and Will are THE most important aspects of OBE's and many other amazing feats of humans. If you can think and convince yourself and desire with every inch of yourself to have an experience like this, 9 times out of 10 it will happen. The most valuable tip I can offer is, don't do this when you are utterly exhausted. If you go to bed really really tired you will just go into deep REM sleep right away. Your mind needs enough energy to still focus on your intent. I have better odds in sleeping earlier than my normal bed time, or taking an afternoon nap. Bingo, works every time for me.

I've been having these experiences since I was a little girl. I used to be terrified to go to sleep at night, because I could feel the sheets slipping off of me as I felt I was being sucked up towards the ceiling. I'd have these experiences every night for months. I was too afraid to tell my parents, and even as young as I was I knew they would take the wrong course of action and think something was wrong with me. in other words, medicate medicate medicate. The american way.

It wasn't until I got to my late 20's that I started accepting the experiences and attempting to control them more. I still feel like its not just me pulling me up, its something else. Now I've had communication with the entity that accompanies me..some call it your dreaming emissary..supposedly this emissary can't lie, you ask it things it will answer you, you ask to go somewhere and it will oblige you...Now I have it asking me where I want to go, I went into space when I asked it to show me a particular star, I got scared and woke myself up because we were traveling so fast towards a blue light and streaks of stars around me showing our speed. Sometimes the experience is positive, sometimes it is negative. There have been occasions where i get frightened and I tell it to let me down, and I'm immediately returned down again ..then there are other instances where I feel like I am fighting to get out of its grasp. I think when you call to have these experiences, you sometimes attract entities that want to help you , and some that want to take advantage. What I do is ask for only entities that are positive, I put that out there...if i remember to focus on this, i have an amazing experience..if i forget, or get tired and my mind wanders, the experience can be what THEy want me to go through,,...and they control me, and sometimes I've felt like I was being suffocated, or talked to in creepy ways, and sometimes touched.

I over all am very curious about it, and have been trying to learn better dreaming practices. I highly recommend anyone who is interested in this area, to read Carlos Castenadas books ALL of them.., but especially The Art of Dreaming. It will change your life I promise you. If anyone wants a book, message me, I have pdfs of them all. They changed my life forever, making sense of so many things that I had long knew. It answered a lot of questions, and made me feel so much better. I will warn you, that some dreaming practices are risky. Think of it this way, there are things we didn't know that existed until we discovered the microscope. If anyone back in the day thought there were microscopic living organisms all around us that we couldn't see, they'd claim we were mad. Dreaming is the same thing. We are surrounded by entities. Some good, some bad. Some people can see them, a friend of my fiance, his mom, she could tell when he and his friend were in trouble as little kids, or did something bad, because she could see the entities clinging to them. Positive things attract the positive ones, and negative things attract the negative ones. Like attracts like more than you can imagine.

I encourage everyone to try this basic first dreaming exercise that Castenada's book mentioned.., its actually incredible feeling when you get it to work. Go to bed, a little tired, but NOT exhausted. Again, you don't want to drop off too deep. When you are lying in bed, be very relaxed and focus on the thought "I want to feel myself fall asleep". If you have to repeat it over and over again in your head, do so, like you were counting sheep. Better yet, try this exercise in the afternoon, like a nap. You will feel your body start to tingle, and you will feel like you are falling through the mattress, and feel part by part of your body fall into sleep and get very heavy. It's really really cool to experience, and for me I did it on the first try, I was not expecting that! There are some methods that Castenada's books talk about, and the aspect of dreaming is that it's supposed to be safe, that your dreaming self protects you in ways, that if you were to try to face entities in real life, you'd be up a creek. I had experience with going too far in a dreaming exercise, and I went 6 levels into a dream within a dream deep. Then when I surfaced, I was partly conscious, and there was a dark entity, almost formless, in my bedroom talking to me and trying to grab my arm. The best course of action when dealing with dark entities, that are trying to frighten you, is to turn your fear into anger. Fear feeds them. Tell them off, laugh at them, think happy thoughts, whatever...but don't let your fear take over. They feed off your energy from this. In fact, entities in general feed off of our energy.

Also when it comes to learning how to do the exercises in Castenada's books, whether for dreaming, or changing perception to see the world as it really is, you need to save your energy. Reduce your stress levels, change your routines, the art of not doing is KEY. The world is only the way it is, because we were conditioned to Perceive it this way. We as humans have incredible power. I firmly believe this, more than anything. Religions have been telling us this, but the message got twisted...on purpose of course. I could go on and on about how this ability in us they've been trying to subdue and destroy. but for now, keeping on topic, OBE's are only the beginnning. IF you have the INTENT and the strength of WILL ..you will FLY wherever you want.

[Shamz]

Dear Ruthy,

Awesome post -- thanks for telling us your experiences. Hope to hear more from you. If you read this thread from beginning- which is an exercise in itself - you will find that TH and others have covered this topic of dealing with Dark/negative entities -- much the same way you described. TH have even listed some exercises that can protect you and all of your body cells when doing OBEs.

No matter how much we read about or know about each other experiences... everyone's journey - be it physical life or Astral traveling is different and unique. That might be dictated by where we are in our spiritual progress..and what other experiences are needed to further nourish our soul and advance. Am still in learning stage.... but here on this forum you will find many great people with great experiences in every aspect of life

thanks again.... much love to you

Posted by ruthy (here)
I am very interested in this thread, more than most other topics on Project Avalon. I agree with a couple of people on here, who mentioned that there is no real "method" for having an out of body experience. Stretching, chanting ohms...may only work for certain people, because these methods only trick your mind into thinking they work...the real secret to having an out of body experience is your INTENT- the innate desire for it with everything in you. In fact Intent and Will are THE most important aspects of OBE's and many other amazing feats of humans. If you can think and convince yourself and desire with every inch of yourself to have an experience like this, 9 times out of 10 it will happen. The most valuable tip I can offer is, don't do this when you are utterly exhausted. If you go to bed really really tired you will just go into deep REM sleep right away. Your mind needs enough energy to still focus on your intent. I have better odds in sleeping earlier than my normal bed time, or taking an afternoon nap. Bingo, works every time for me.

I've been having these experiences since I was a little girl. I used to be terrified to go to sleep at night, because I could feel the sheets slipping off of me as I felt I was being sucked up towards the ceiling. I'd have these experiences every night for months. I was too afraid to tell my parents, and even as young as I was I knew they would take the wrong course of action and think something was wrong with me. in other words, medicate medicate medicate. The american way.

It wasn't until I got to my late 20's that I started accepting the experiences and attempting to control them more. I still feel like its not just me pulling me up, its something else. Now I've had communication with the entity that accompanies me..some call it your dreaming emissary..supposedly this emissary can't lie, you ask it things it will answer you, you ask to go somewhere and it will oblige you...Now I have it asking me where I want to go, I went into space when I asked it to show me a particular star, I got scared and woke myself up because we were traveling so fast towards a blue light and streaks of stars around me showing our speed. Sometimes the experience is positive, sometimes it is negative. There have been occasions where i get frightened and I tell it to let me down, and I'm immediately returned down again ..then there are other instances where I feel like I am fighting to get out of its grasp. I think when you call to have these experiences, you sometimes attract entities that want to help you , and some that want to take advantage. What I do is ask for only entities that are positive, I put that out there...if i remember to focus on this, i have an amazing experience..if i forget, or get tired and my mind wanders, the experience can be what THEy want me to go through,,...and they control me, and sometimes I've felt like I was being suffocated, or talked to in creepy ways, and sometimes touched.

I over all am very curious about it, and have been trying to learn better dreaming practices. I highly recommend anyone who is interested in this area, to read Carlos Castenadas books ALL of them.., but especially The Art of Dreaming. It will change your life I promise you. If anyone wants a book, message me, I have pdfs of them all. They changed my life forever, making sense of so many things that I had long knew. It answered a lot of questions, and made me feel so much better. I will warn you, that some dreaming practices are risky. Think of it this way, there are things we didn't know that existed until we discovered the microscope. If anyone back in the day thought there were microscopic living organisms all around us that we couldn't see, they'd claim we were mad. Dreaming is the same thing. We are surrounded by entities. Some good, some bad. Some people can see them, a friend of my fiance, his mom, she could tell when he and his friend were in trouble as little kids, or did something bad, because she could see the entities clinging to them. Positive things attract the positive ones, and negative things attract the negative ones. Like attracts like more than you can imagine.

I encourage everyone to try this basic first dreaming exercise that Castenada's book mentioned.., its actually incredible feeling when you get it to work. Go to bed, a little tired, but NOT exhausted. Again, you don't want to drop off too deep. When you are lying in bed, be very relaxed and focus on the thought "I want to feel myself fall asleep". If you have to repeat it over and over again in your head, do so, like you were counting sheep. Better yet, try this exercise in the afternoon, like a nap. You will feel your body start to tingle, and you will feel like you are falling through the mattress, and feel part by part of your body fall into sleep and get very heavy. It's really really cool to experience, and for me I did it on the first try, I was not expecting that! There are some methods that Castenada's books talk about, and the aspect of dreaming is that it's supposed to be safe, that your dreaming self protects you in ways, that if you were to try to face entities in real life, you'd be up a creek. I had experience with going too far in a dreaming exercise, and I went 6 levels into a dream within a dream deep. Then when I surfaced, I was partly conscious, and there was a dark entity, almost formless, in my bedroom talking to me and trying to grab my arm. The best course of action when dealing with dark entities, that are trying to frighten you, is to turn your fear into anger. Fear feeds them. Tell them off, laugh at them, think happy thoughts, whatever...but don't let your fear take over. They feed off your energy from this. In fact, entities in general feed off of our energy.

Also when it comes to learning how to do the exercises in Castenada's books, whether for dreaming, or changing perception to see the world as it really is, you need to save your energy. Reduce your stress levels, change your routines, the art of not doing is KEY. The world is only the way it is, because we were conditioned to Perceive it this way. We as humans have incredible power. I firmly believe this, more than anything. Religions have been telling us this, but the message got twisted...on purpose of course. I could go on and on about how this ability in us they've been trying to subdue and destroy. but for now, keeping on topic, OBE's are only the beginnning. IF you have the INTENT and the strength of WILL ..you will FLY wherever you want.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by ruthy (here)
I agree with a couple of people on here, who mentioned that there is no real "method" for having an out of body experience. Stretching, chanting ohms...may only work for certain people, because these methods only trick your mind into thinking they work...the real secret to having an out of body experience is your INTENT- the innate desire for it with everything in you. In fact Intent and Will are THE most important aspects of OBE's and many other amazing feats of humans. If you can think and convince yourself and desire with every inch of yourself to have an experience like this, 9 times out of 10 it will happen. The most valuable tip I can offer is, don't do this when you are utterly exhausted.
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The world is only the way it is, because we were conditioned to Perceive it this way. We as humans have incredible power. I firmly believe this, more than anything. Religions have been telling us this, but the message got twisted...on purpose of course. I could go on and on about how this ability in us they've been trying to subdue and destroy. but for now, keeping on topic, OBE's are only the beginning. IF you have the INTENT and the strength of WILL ..you will FLY wherever you want.

I fully agree,ruthy. Strictly speaking, it’s really a person’s Higher Mind (or assistance from other higher beings) that takes them astral traveling.

The truth is, the lower intellect constantly tries to ask “How?”, but for the Higher Mind no such thing as how exists, there’s only “What?” And every technique is nothing more than a way “how” to do something, so you’re right.

Intent and will, yes, precisely. Intent of that sort is part of the Higher Mind, and will can be Higher Will or else it’s the best substitute a person has for intent if they haven’t mastered the latter.

I still feel like its not just me pulling me up, its something else. Now I've had communication with the entity that accompanies me..some call it your dreaming emissary..supposedly this emissary can't lie, you ask it things it will answer you, you ask to go somewhere and it will oblige you...Now I have it asking me where I want to go, I went into space when I asked it to show me a particular star, I got scared and woke myself up because we were traveling so fast towards a blue light and streaks of stars around me showing our speed.

Well, I trust I've made it clear that that "dreaming emissary" is your own Higher Mind. It's really a part of you - the real you. Trouble is, few people can really "see" all their parts -- such as seeing all of one's lower mind as if from a distance, for instance.

Sometimes the experience is positive, sometimes it is negative. There have been occasions where i get frightened and I tell it to let me down, and I'm immediately returned down again ..then there are other instances where I feel like I am fighting to get out of its grasp. I think when you call to have these experiences, you sometimes attract entities that want to help you , and some that want to take advantage. What I do is ask for only entities that are positive, I put that out there...if i remember to focus on this, i have an amazing experience..if i forget, or get tired and my mind wanders, the experience can be what THEy want me to go through,,...and they control me, and sometimes I've felt like I was being suffocated, or talked to in creepy ways, and sometimes touched.
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If anyone back in the day thought there were microscopic living organisms all around us that we couldn't see, they'd claim we were mad. Dreaming is the same thing. We are surrounded by entities. Some good, some bad. Some people can see them, a friend of my fiance, his mom, she could tell when he and his friend were in trouble as little kids, or did something bad, because she could see the entities clinging to them. Positive things attract the positive ones, and negative things attract the negative ones. Like attracts like more than you can imagine.

The best course of action when dealing with dark entities, that are trying to frighten you, is to turn your fear into anger. Fear feeds them. Tell them off, laugh at them, think happy thoughts, whatever...but don't let your fear take over. They feed off your energy from this. In fact, entities in general feed off of our energy.

I must admit I’m not familiar with being taken places by negative beings, except on two occasions, and that was before I had worked out that I needed to ensure I had some protection first. (Who would venture into a rough neighborhood in their town that they’re not familiar with at night, unless they had some protection?) However, sometimes while astral traveling positive beings who were my guides would apparently leave me alone, sometimes on the other side of the solar system or in some other type of world.

Precisely as you say, like attracts like, and even more so the higher the level of the world you’re in. I’ve suggested that every night before going to sleep everyone should spend a little time bringing in strong healing energy around themselves as a form of protection. The reason this is protection is that the positive “energy” attracts positive beings/ entities. Similarly, I’ve suggested everyone should ideally meditate before they start their day, so that throughout the day they’ll hopefully be surrounded by positive influences on an OB level. I do hope everyone’s doing these things, or something equivalent.

Also, fear is useless, because it freezes you stuck in a "victim" mode. So yes, don't stay frozen, do something -- get angry, anything.