Here and Now...What's Happening?

[Carmody]

Posted by 1inMany (here)

Posted by donk (here)
Max Igan once said in a talk I was listening to that he likes this thought:

How old would you be if you didnt know how old you are?

Haha, that's a loaded question. Thirty with no wrinkles, in my case. But it is deeper than that. When connected to the awareness, there is no age present. It also depends on what type of maturity is being contemplated here. imo... At 30, in all 3d meanings, younger=less mature. But...spiritually? That's tricky.

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Eegads, you are talking about about a whole lot of responsibility.

Posted by jiminii (here)
well I just want to mature to a star child. I don't want to go beyond that. Just a happy playful star child running around playing with universes like they are toys. Yes that would be fun.

Jim

The problem is that it is both yes and no.

That the question is one of great concern, and at the same time, meaningless.

Which brings one to the question of how to gain maturity.

To move to enabling and taking our maturity, or grasping our space and place to mature.... from that which 'appears' to hold it back. To get it done, but with no childishness. This is where those who do not understand the spiritual, timeless side, this is where they make the mistake. They somehow get tied up in a form of Reptilian 'lord of the flies' nightmare thinking. A notable level of immaturity. They don't see (projection as an input filter) the level of maturity required in themselves, so they cannot see that it exists in others. That corner has yet to be turned. part of that is the linear mind as a point of egoic expression. To mistake the upper 'now' layer of bodily integration and moment-to-moment interpretation as being the depth of the intellect.

Look at this story here, and how this model threatens humanity's formation toward maturity..and how the linear (time/now/projection/filter based) mind reacts.


Neptune steps in and gives the linear mind a friendly swat:

http://phys.org/news/2013-09-mathema...ive-world.html

Is mathematics an effective way to describe the world?

Mathematics has been called the language of the universe. Scientists and engineers often speak of the elegance of mathematics when describing physical reality, citing examples such as π, E=mc2, and even something as simple as using abstract integers to count real-world objects. Yet while these examples demonstrate how useful math can be for us, does it mean that the physical world naturally follows the rules of mathematics as its "mother tongue," and that this mathematics has its own existence that is out there waiting to be discovered? This point of view on the nature of the relationship between mathematics and the physical world is called Platonism, but not everyone agrees with it.

Derek Abbott, Professor of Electrical and Electronics Engineering at The University of Adelaide in Australia, has written a perspective piece to be published in the Proceedings of the IEEE in which he argues that mathematical Platonism is an inaccurate view of reality. Instead, he argues for the opposing viewpoint, the non-Platonist notion that mathematics is a product of the human imagination that we tailor to describe reality.

This argument is not new. In fact, Abbott estimates (through his own experiences, in an admittedly non-scientific survey) that while 80% of mathematicians lean toward a Platonist view, engineers by and large are non-Platonist. Physicists tend to be "closeted non-Platonists," he says, meaning they often appear Platonist in public. But when pressed in private, he says he can "often extract a non-Platonist confession."

So if mathematicians, engineers, and physicists can all manage to perform their work despite differences in opinion on this philosophical subject, why does the true nature of mathematics in its relation to the physical world really matter?

The reason, Abbott says, is that because when you recognize that math is just a mental construct—just an approximation of reality that has its frailties and limitations and that will break down at some point because perfect mathematical forms do not exist in the physical universe—then you can see how ineffective math is.

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[Gekko]

Posted by 1inMany (here)
Where would you suggest I start with her? Give me something basic, a book to start her with, that would interest a young teen...and I will have it here by the end of the week

I just ordered this book:



An experienced witch recommended it to me a few years ago and told me to ignore the title. I'm hoping it'll be a good introduction.

For what it's worth

BB, thank you for the flower : )

[jiminii]

Quote Posted by ulli
The best thing you can do for Em is to encourage her to study astrology. It will give her such fantastic explanations that her mind can be at peace. Everything seemed so absurd to me before, but once I understood the twelve signs, their division into the four elements, of fire, earth, air and water, and the three types ...fixed, mutable and cardinal, and then the interaction of these elements...so much became clear. It is the most awesome of all sciences.

I have been trying to study this double astrology with Eastern and western astrology. It matched my father perfect. And me, well wonder what can match me, ulli did some on me and well ... it is too weird ... I mean ... I would like to have more control of my future or whatever my thoughts and personality .... just makes me wonder why it seems so accurate.

I mean if we are all unique beings???? hmmm I just have to let the spirit do what it does and forget about what the astrology does to me. I just wonder if I could get stable outside the body and get enough memory back my whole personality might be entirely different.

So I learned how to postulate to change futures, but don't know if this can change the personality ... hahaha

I love you too ulli

jim

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)

Posted by donk (here)
Max Igan once said in a talk I was listening to that he likes this thought:

How old would you be if you didnt know how old you are?

Haha, that's a loaded question. Thirty with no wrinkles, in my case. But it is deeper than that. When connected to the awareness, there is no age present. It also depends on what type of maturity is being contemplated here. imo... At 30, in all 3d meanings, younger=less mature. But...spiritually? That's tricky.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Eegads, you are talking about about a whole lot of responsibility.

Posted by jiminii (here)
well I just want to mature to a star child. I don't want to go beyond that. Just a happy playful star child running around playing with universes like they are toys. Yes that would be fun.

Jim

The problem is that it is both yes and no.

That the question is one of great concern, and at the same time, meaningless.



.......

The thing is to allow oneself to occasionally make room for paradoxes, and just love them.
Take this from me who used to think logic was everything.
Well, it still is, up to a point.

[jiminii]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)

Posted by donk (here)
Max Igan once said in a talk I was listening to that he likes this thought:

How old would you be if you didnt know how old you are?

Haha, that's a loaded question. Thirty with no wrinkles, in my case. But it is deeper than that. When connected to the awareness, there is no age present. It also depends on what type of maturity is being contemplated here. imo... At 30, in all 3d meanings, younger=less mature. But...spiritually? That's tricky.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Eegads, you are talking about about a whole lot of responsibility.

Posted by jiminii (here)
well I just want to mature to a star child. I don't want to go beyond that. Just a happy playful star child running around playing with universes like they are toys. Yes that would be fun.

Jim

The problem is that it is both yes and no.

That the question is one of great concern, and at the same time, meaningless.

Which brings one to the question of how to gain maturity.

To move to enabling and taking our maturity, or grasping our space and place to mature.... from that which 'appears' to hold it back. To get it done, but with no childishness. This is where those who do not understand the spiritual, timeless side, this is where they make the mistake. They somehow get tied up in a form of Reptilian 'lord of the flies' nightmare thinking. A notable level of immaturity. They don't see (projection as an input filter) the level of maturity required in themselves, so they cannot see that it exists in others. That corner has yet to be turned. part of that is the linear mind as a point of egoic expression. To mistake the upper 'now' layer of bodily integration and moment-to-moment interpretation as being the depth of the intellect.

Look at this story here, and how this model threatens humanity's formation toward maturity..and how the linear (time/now/projection/filter based) mind reacts.


Neptune steps in and gives the linear mind a friendly swat:

http://phys.org/news/2013-09-mathema...ive-world.html

Is mathematics an effective way to describe the world?

Mathematics has been called the language of the universe. Scientists and engineers often speak of the elegance of mathematics when describing physical reality, citing examples such as π, E=mc2, and even something as simple as using abstract integers to count real-world objects. Yet while these examples demonstrate how useful math can be for us, does it mean that the physical world naturally follows the rules of mathematics as its "mother tongue," and that this mathematics has its own existence that is out there waiting to be discovered? This point of view on the nature of the relationship between mathematics and the physical world is called Platonism, but not everyone agrees with it.

Derek Abbott, Professor of Electrical and Electronics Engineering at The University of Adelaide in Australia, has written a perspective piece to be published in the Proceedings of the IEEE in which he argues that mathematical Platonism is an inaccurate view of reality. Instead, he argues for the opposing viewpoint, the non-Platonist notion that mathematics is a product of the human imagination that we tailor to describe reality.

This argument is not new. In fact, Abbott estimates (through his own experiences, in an admittedly non-scientific survey) that while 80% of mathematicians lean toward a Platonist view, engineers by and large are non-Platonist. Physicists tend to be "closeted non-Platonists," he says, meaning they often appear Platonist in public. But when pressed in private, he says he can "often extract a non-Platonist confession."

So if mathematicians, engineers, and physicists can all manage to perform their work despite differences in opinion on this philosophical subject, why does the true nature of mathematics in its relation to the physical world really matter?

The reason, Abbott says, is that because when you recognize that math is just a mental construct—just an approximation of reality that has its frailties and limitations and that will break down at some point because perfect mathematical forms do not exist in the physical universe—then you can see how ineffective math is.

.......

Well you see the scientists still hasn't been able to figure out the Atom. It's because they haven't been able to figure out MOTION.

jim

[Ernie Nemeth]

What if the entire universe (the real entire universe that right now we'd call the mutiverse and that just highlights our limited perspective) is evolving towards the perfection of mathematics? What if mathematics is truly the language of God, like a form or vessel that the waters of reality are still pouring into? Once the pouring is done it will take on the shape and form of the mathematics, the blueprint for intelligent design? If that is the case then creation has not yet completed and we are in a proto-universe - still forming. That is why life approximates the fibinocci series, first slightly over then slightly under, the perfect ratio (PHI?). As the iterations continue (like the whirl of sunflower seeds) the approximations close in on the perfection, closer and closer to the exact perfect ratio.
The batter in the baking pan is the ingredients but it still needs to rise under the guidance of heating to become the intended form of the bread.

[Carmody]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Well you see the scientists still hasn't been able to figure out the Atom. It's because they haven't been able to figure out MOTION.

jim

Yes, F=MA (force equals mass times acceleration), but we don't really understand what that means. Nor can we truly quantify it into discrete form. We can generalize it's use in a gross form, but we are limited in that tool. It works on large masses, but breaks down at the subatomic level.

[1inMany]

Omg. I am understanding Carmody. I have come farther than I thought. Bless your heart, Carmody, for not giving up.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Me too, Carmody, Thanks!

[Carmody]

The point of the article was to illustrate that the firebrand, the sword of mathematics.... should not be held as the ultimate and perfected interpretive tool of the formation of reality -via science.

That our grasp is limited so we should be holding onto other tools that also work. To limit science to the tool of mathematics is to give it 'short shrift', is the point and that the world as it stands today... was built with more than the first spearhead as a single or complex expression.

The mind and vehicle that built the spearhead (and extrapolated it outward and onward) was and is capable of other methods and tools. That the danger of science limited to math is very very real and needs to be put back on the table, as it never should have left the table.

Again, science was parented by philosophy, which is a much more expanded and capable viewpoint/toolset - than science.

It is a huge misdirect to call mathematical fundamentalism 'Platonist', as Plato was first and foremost a philosopher, and math was merely a tool in his chest of tools.

It's kinda like saying that Christ will save/make/hold the world.... by killing/crushing/steamrolling all his enemies out of existence into a form of protracted and enforced monotheism.

[ulli]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Quote Posted by ulli
The best thing you can do for Em is to encourage her to study astrology. It will give her such fantastic explanations that her mind can be at peace. Everything seemed so absurd to me before, but once I understood the twelve signs, their division into the four elements, of fire, earth, air and water, and the three types ...fixed, mutable and cardinal, and then the interaction of these elements...so much became clear. It is the most awesome of all sciences.

I have been trying to study this double astrology with Eastern and western astrology. It matched my father perfect. And me, well wonder what can match me, ulli did some on me and well ... it is too weird ... I mean ... I would like to have more control of my future or whatever my thoughts and personality .... just makes me wonder why it seems so accurate.

I mean if we are all unique beings???? hmmm I just have to let the spirit do what it does and forget about what the astrology does to me. I just wonder if I could get stable outside the body and get enough memory back my whole personality might be entirely different.

So I learned how to postulate to change futures, but don't know if this can change the personality ... hahaha

I love you too ulli

jim

Love is easy for you...you are a Leo. The most loving sign there is.
Ruled by the sun, always shining their light. Then you have the sun conjunct Pluto, which I knew the moment you said you had these special powers and which was confirmed when I looked up your chart.
Sun Pluto conjunction people can move through all the dimensions.
When the conjunction is in Leo, which is ruled by the sun, then this power is even greater.
Very dynamic aspect to have.
Your birth was no accident.


Astrology is such a good example of world view in action.
Eastern astrology is more tradition-based, and leaves out the outer planets, like Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.
Yet, as far as personal transformation goes they are amazing catalysts.
Pluto is the Alpha and Omega, the greatest of all transformers. The vortex or shaft through which one must pass to get to another dimension. Like taking an elevator up or down a building, accessing infinite floors or levels.

Then lets look at Uranus.
Take a word like "truth" for example. In astrological terms this word is represented by Aquarius, Uranus, or the 11th house.
Truth arrives via shock or surprise, a wake-up event, and reality adjustment.
There is no Santa Claus. Hello!!?!
Aquarians are the ultimate truth lovers, but they can be tactless.
Avalon is like an Aquarian struggling to become more gentle and considerate.

So when a person has a transit from Uranus, they either have stuff breaking down
that they had neglected, or they meet an Aquarian who wants them to find out that the military is working with ET.
Either way, it's wake-up time.

When a Leo starts to study the sign of Aquarius, their exact opposite,
and the personality that this Uranian energy represents
they can become more detached, and learn not to get hurt.
Then their lovingness becomes more constant
Nothing is taken personal.

Leo rules the heart, in medical astrology terms, and Aquarius rules the circulation system.
Heart is individual, circulation takes the blood all around the body, distributing it to the furthest parts of the body.
when these two are seen as a whole system, Leo and Aquarius, or heart and circulation system, then the divine enters.
Which it always does when the balance point has been accessed.
This knowledge can only stick with someone who has given it some thought of their own.
It cannot be transmitted the way you would fill up a gas tank.

Sorry to be rambling...I started out replying to Jim about Eastern astrology and look where it took me.
Oh, and then there is NEPTUNE, lest I forget....thats for another day.

[Ernie Nemeth]

The mathematics of today has many basic flaws in it, starting with our concept of zero, but right on through geometry, trig, cal, many inproper assumptions in specific areas like infinite sets, infinite series, levels of infinity - anywhere our finite understandings reach the limits of infinity or the infinitessimal.

The genesis of numbers, the vesica piscis and sacred geometry, are not even considered.

[jiminii]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

Well you see the scientists still hasn't been able to figure out the Atom. It's because they haven't been able to figure out MOTION.

jim

Yes, F=MA (force equals mass times acceleration), but we don't really understand what that means. Nor can we truly quantify it into discrete form. We can generalize it's use in a gross form, but we are limited in that tool. It works on large masses, but breaks down at the subatomic level.

it is a space time continuum created by all the spirits in it. We create all the motions between each creation of time and space inside the space. That is why we with our own thoughts can also vanish any part of it by perfect duplication. This is also why we can create motion to change the weather or anything else we want to change.

Mathematics has it's applications but thought itself creates it. I can create a perfect circle and I wouldn't need mathematics to create it. I just get the idea of a perfect circle and I create the motions I need to get it. all other mechanics is secondary.

jim

[donk]

Oh, and then there is NEPTUNE, lest I forget....thats for another day

I prefer looking at Uranus, as you suggested

....guess I still got some maturin' to do

[Ernie Nemeth]

There is only one perfect anything, no? Or I guess one perfect everything...

[ulli]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
What if the entire universe (the real entire universe that right now we'd call the mutiverse and that just highlights our limited perspective) is evolving towards the perfection of mathematics? What if mathematics is truly the language of God, like a form or vessel that the waters of reality are still pouring into? Once the pouring is done it will take on the shape and form of the mathematics, the blueprint for intelligent design? If that is the case then creation has not yet completed and we are in a proto-universe - still forming. That is why life approximates the fibinocci series, first slightly over then slightly under, the perfect ratio (PHI?). As the iterations continue (like the whirl of sunflower seeds) the approximations close in on the perfection, closer and closer to the exact perfect ratio.
The batter in the baking pan is the ingredients but it still needs to rise under the guidance of heating to become the intended form of the bread.

When I look at life I see perfection.
Mathematical precision is in the design.

Take a picture of some seeds, mixed with small rocks and sand. You can hardly tell the difference between them.

Yet, given the right conditions, i.e. water air and sunshine, the seeds will sprout and become flowers,
possibly endless generations...while the rocks will still be rocks after a million years.

[ulli]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
The mathematics of today has many basic flaws in it, starting with our concept of zero, but right on through geometry, trig, cal, many inproper assumptions in specific areas like infinite sets, infinite series, levels of infinity - anywhere our finite understandings reach the limits of infinity or the infinitessimal.

The genesis of numbers, the vesica piscis and sacred geometry, are not even considered.

Here is another picture for you, Ernie. Don'tcha love it?

[jiminii]

Yes, F=MA (force equals mass times acceleration), but we don't really understand what that means. Nor can we truly quantify it into discrete form. We can generalize it's use in a gross form, but we are limited in that tool. It works on large masses, but breaks down at the subatomic level.

so what is the missing piece to this F=MA. The missing piece is INTENTION. Without INTENTION NOTHING can be put into motion and motion needs time and space to create in. This is why they can't answer the question is because they left the SPIRIT out of the equation.

so it should be F=MA + intention.

jim

[Ernie Nemeth]

Consciousness is either the key or the biggest scam - ..?

[donk]

I think the "+ intention" part is a constant.

Everything was set into motion...figuring out "why" is some people's reason for being....mine, anyway--I don't think it's a key or a scam, just something to do?

The equation is only useful as a reference point within the now.