Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists

[Cidersomerset]

Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists


Sunday, 08 September 2013 10:52
Posted by David Icke









Major climate research centres now accept that there has been a “pause” in global
warming since 1997


'There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice
compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles.
In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size
of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores,
days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by
pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.'

A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen
by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading
for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.

If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic
warming. The news comes several years after it was predicted that the arctic would
be ice-free by 2013.

Despite the original forecasts, major climate research centres now accept that there
has been a “pause” in global warming since 1997.

The original predictions led to billions being invested in green measures to combat
the effects of climate change.

The change in the predictions has led to UN's climate change's body holding a crisis
meeting, and the the IPCC was due to report on the situation in October. A pre-
summit meeting will be held later this month.

But leaked documents show that governments who fund the IPCC are demanding
1,500 changes to the Fifth Assessment Report - a three-volume study issued every
six or seven years – as they claim its current draft does not properly explain the
pause.

The extent to which temperatures will rise with carbon dioxide levels, as well as
how much of the warming over the past 150 year, a total of 0.8C, is down to
human greenhouse gas emissions are key issues.

The IPCC says it is “95 per cent confident” that global warming has been caused by
humans - up from 90 per cent in 2007 – according to the draft report.

However, US climate expert Professor Judith Curry has questioned how this can be
true as that rather than increasing in confidence, “uncertainty is getting bigger”
within the academic community.

Long-term cycles in ocean temperature, she said, suggest the world may be
approaching a period similar to that from 1965 to 1975, when there was a clear
cooling trend.

At the time some scientists forecast an imminent ice age.

Professor Anastasios Tsonis, of the University of Wisconsin, said: 'We are already in
a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is
no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped.”

The IPCC is said to maintain that their climate change models suggest a pause of 15
years can be expected. Other experts agree that natural cycles cannot explain all
of the recorded warming.



Read more: Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...cientists.html

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/9...aim-scientists

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The Resident: Al Gore worth $200 million, ties to oil

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Q4n5iVQ5g

Published on 8 May 2013


From publicly disclosed filings, Al Gore's worth can be estimated at over $200
million, much more than what he was worth when he was in office. The man largely
responsible for a global awareness of climate change did not make his fortune from
green technologies, however. The Resident (aka Lori Harfenist) explores the real
story.

[TargeT]

So now are we going to try and increase c02 production? Haha

glad I never fell for the global warming fear porn... this topic parallels many other false fear campaigns that are being pushed on us... the more we learn not to live in fear the better off we will be.

[TruthSeekerNotJudger]

Global Warming is another Industry to help the economy in my opinion.
How can we scare people into investing financially in the Earths welfare. The Earth has been here for so long that it is ridiculous to think that USA, Australia and UK (amongst many more) are scrambling always to keep the system of economics in place.
You can't heal the earth with dollars and cents!
Thank You for your post

[Cidersomerset]

So now are we going to try and increase c02 production? Haha

glad I never fell for the global warming fear porn... this topic parallels many other false fear campaigns that are being pushed on us... the more we learn not to live in fear the better off we will be.

Who knows ? ..LOL...It does confirm to me a lot of these scares & fear porn
usually makes loads of money for someone or other at our expence....

[araucaria]

This is not news - it was a feature of the Climategate scandal when emails to and from the University of East Anglia, England were "leaked" in 2009, and particularly Phil Jones's infamous "hide the decline" email.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8BQpciw8suk

http://www.climategate.com/

[TargeT]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

So now are we going to try and increase c02 production? Haha

glad I never fell for the global warming fear porn... this topic parallels many other false fear campaigns that are being pushed on us... the more we learn not to live in fear the better off we will be.

Who knows ? ..LOL...It does confirm to me a lot of these scares & fear porn
usually makes loads of money for someone or other at our expence....

I used to build race cars & modified street cars & I learned how much money is involved in the ridiculous emissions equipment and the (sometimes annually) emissions testing programs; these changes to your car actually make it run less efficiently and on top of the costs you pay to buy, maintain and test the emissions equipment and your car uses more gas, it's like insult on injury..


I swear everything we do needs to be evaluated for deceptive fraud/waste/abuse (aka conspiracy)

[ghostrider]

we have a problem with flies, nats, grasshoppers, etc ... we didn't have a winter here in my neck of the woods , the truth they won't disscuss is our sun is a dying star drifting in a weak phase already , we won't cool , we will have major burst as our fusion star is on it's way out , very unstable ... look at soho and all the huge mulitlple burst we have had just in the last month ... it's sept and it was almost 100 yesterday ... forget global warming, it fusion star gone mad ...it's not our planet, it's our Sun ... thats our real problem ...

[AutumnW]

There has very likely been human induced climate change. What we are having a major problem with now, globally, is low or high pressure systems that get 'stuck'. So we experience either flooding or drought. Not good. Could ''global warming' cause a tipping point that suddenly produces cooling; an ice planet? Yep. Doesn't invalidate the premise of global warming at all. It supports it. It's been predicted.

I saved the original science article from either Harpers mag or the Atlantic Monthly. It's about 17 years old. I will try to find it and then check and see if it's available online.

[araucaria]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
There has very likely been human induced climate change. What we are having a major problem with now, globally, is low or high pressure systems that get 'stuck'. So we experience either flooding or drought. Not good. Could ''global warming' cause a tipping point that suddenly produces cooling; an ice planet? Yep. Doesn't invalidate the premise of global warming at all. It supports it. It's been predicted.

I saved the original science article from either Harpers mag or the Atlantic Monthly. It's about 17 years old. I will try to find it and then check and see if it's available online.

At the moment, in terms of the solar cycle, we seem to be on a level with the early nineteenth century, which will have an effect on food supplies and farming options, but there was no ice age then and there likely won't be one now either. So far then, we are very much in familiar territory, more so than during the nineties.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/0...ed/#more-93370

[AutumnW]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
There has very likely been human induced climate change. What we are having a major problem with now, globally, is low or high pressure systems that get 'stuck'. So we experience either flooding or drought. Not good. Could ''global warming' cause a tipping point that suddenly produces cooling; an ice planet? Yep. Doesn't invalidate the premise of global warming at all. It supports it. It's been predicted.

I saved the original science article from either Harpers mag or the Atlantic Monthly. It's about 17 years old. I will try to find it and then check and see if it's available online.

At the moment, in terms of the solar cycle, we seem to be on a level with the early nineteenth century, which will have an effect on food supplies and farming options, but there was no ice age then and there likely won't be one now either. So far then, we are very much in familiar territory, more so than during the nineties.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/0...ed/#more-93370

That's assuming and hoping that climate change is caused purely by the sun. What so many people discount, is that it could be both the effects of solar cycles AND human activity. It's likely not an either/or phenomenon. In that case, we have to cut back on everything, not just green house gases. We have to quit buying so much crap made in factories. There are megatons of soot and other particulate released into the air in the industrial zones of China. This has to be playing major havoc with climate, too, but it gets very little attention. North America and Europe have outsourced their pollution to the far East. It's still there, we're just not exposed to the extremely dirty air, in our own locales. If we were, our take on climate change, being related to human activity, would be different, I'm thinking.

[TargeT]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
That's assuming and hoping that climate change is caused purely by the sun. What so many people discount,

who discounts it with valid data?

no one... this is a ridiculous belief system; try walking to your destinations for one week, get some perspective back on how MASSIVE this earth is.

calculate the amount of energy it takes to raise a lake 1 degree in temperature, another great perspective aligner... seriously we are not as important as we think we are; we can do some localized damage but shifting the entire planet when we don't even occupy .01% of it is a baffling concept.


I flew into china last year, yes bejing was hazy.. but the haze did not extend beyond the city limits, it was a localized (and in the broad sense of things) very small event.

[AutumnW]

Target, I hear ya...but for an even larger perspective, take a look at a cross section view of our planet. The atmosphere doesn't appear to be much thicker than the peel on an apple. And who determines what data should be considered, what is valid, and how it's interpreted. Have you ever listened to a couple of scientists each on different sides of the debate getting into it? OMG....it's so confusing. Plus, they get into some real hair pulling episodes that degrade into hissy fits. They may as well be little old ladies with umbrellas bashing the sh** out of each other. It's just undignified!

[araucaria]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
There has very likely been human induced climate change. What we are having a major problem with now, globally, is low or high pressure systems that get 'stuck'. So we experience either flooding or drought. Not good. Could ''global warming' cause a tipping point that suddenly produces cooling; an ice planet? Yep. Doesn't invalidate the premise of global warming at all. It supports it. It's been predicted.

I saved the original science article from either Harpers mag or the Atlantic Monthly. It's about 17 years old. I will try to find it and then check and see if it's available online.

At the moment, in terms of the solar cycle, we seem to be on a level with the early nineteenth century, which will have an effect on food supplies and farming options, but there was no ice age then and there likely won't be one now either. So far then, we are very much in familiar territory, more so than during the nineties.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/0...ed/#more-93370

That's assuming and hoping that climate change is caused purely by the sun. What so many people discount, is that it could be both the effects of solar cycles AND human activity. It's likely not an either/or phenomenon. In that case, we have to cut back on everything, not just green house gases. We have to quit buying so much crap made in factories. There are megatons of soot and other particulate released into the air in the industrial zones of China. This has to be playing major havoc with climate, too, but it gets very little attention. North America and Europe have outsourced their pollution to the far East. It's still there, we're just not exposed to the extremely dirty air, in our own locales. If we were, our take on climate change, being related to human activity, would be different, I'm thinking.

Your assumption about my assumptions is entirely mistaken

I have quoted on a number of occasions Richard Michael Pasichnyk’s data on solar activity correlated to Wall St, but as a consequence rather than a cause. I imagine this would be some kind of electrical effect, similar to that of a sungrazing comet, only from a larger body at a greater distance. Comets close to the Sun often appear to trigger a CME. Pasichnyk further quotes the correlation between the rise and fall of civilizations and solar activity, also examined by people like Maurice Cotterell.

The suggestion is that the destruction of civilization as we know it is a good and necessary thing. Anthropogenic global warming, on the other hand, is a myth to hide the real damage being done by manmade civilization, with the intention of carrying on as before. To see what would be a viable alternative lifestyle, we may look to Daniel Quinn, author notably of Ishmael, The Story of B and Beyond Civilization: Humanity’s Next Great Adventure, who advocates a return to, or rather the invention of new, forms of tribalism.

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Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists


Sunday, 08 September 2013 10:52
Posted by David Icke









Major climate research centres now accept that there has been a “pause” in global
warming since 1997


'There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice
compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles.
In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size
of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores,
days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by
pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.'

A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen
by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading
for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.

If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic
warming. The news comes several years after it was predicted that the arctic would
be ice-free by 2013.

Despite the original forecasts, major climate research centres now accept that there
has been a “pause” in global warming since 1997.

The original predictions led to billions being invested in green measures to combat
the effects of climate change.

The change in the predictions has led to UN's climate change's body holding a crisis
meeting, and the the IPCC was due to report on the situation in October. A pre-
summit meeting will be held later this month.

But leaked documents show that governments who fund the IPCC are demanding
1,500 changes to the Fifth Assessment Report - a three-volume study issued every
six or seven years – as they claim its current draft does not properly explain the
pause.

The extent to which temperatures will rise with carbon dioxide levels, as well as
how much of the warming over the past 150 year, a total of 0.8C, is down to
human greenhouse gas emissions are key issues.

The IPCC says it is “95 per cent confident” that global warming has been caused by
humans - up from 90 per cent in 2007 – according to the draft report.

However, US climate expert Professor Judith Curry has questioned how this can be
true as that rather than increasing in confidence, “uncertainty is getting bigger”
within the academic community.

Long-term cycles in ocean temperature, she said, suggest the world may be
approaching a period similar to that from 1965 to 1975, when there was a clear
cooling trend.

At the time some scientists forecast an imminent ice age.

Professor Anastasios Tsonis, of the University of Wisconsin, said: 'We are already in
a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is
no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped.”

The IPCC is said to maintain that their climate change models suggest a pause of 15
years can be expected. Other experts agree that natural cycles cannot explain all
of the recorded warming.



Read more: Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...cientists.html

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/9...aim-scientists

===================================================



The Resident: Al Gore worth $200 million, ties to oil

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Q4n5iVQ5g

Published on 8 May 2013


From publicly disclosed filings, Al Gore's worth can be estimated at over $200
million, much more than what he was worth when he was in office. The man largely
responsible for a global awareness of climate change did not make his fortune from
green technologies, however. The Resident (aka Lori Harfenist) explores the real
story.

hmmm.. who to believe?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23964372

[jagman]

In 2007 the BBC reported that by the summer of 2013 the Artic
would be Ice free. The truth is, there is almost a million more square
miles of ice in our ocean today than the same time last year.
It's an increase of 60%.




The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained
blocked by pack-ice all year. Professor Judith Curry, a US climate expert
points to long-term cycles in ocean temperature suggesting the world
may be moving toward a clear cooling trend.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...edictions.html

[TargeT]

the last few years I was in alaska were some of the worst for bearing sea ice, a few businesses had to shut facilities due to the persistant ice flows...

and this thread agrees with you: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...aim-scientists

[jagman]

Posted by TargeT (here)
the last few years I was in alaska were some of the worst for bearing sea ice, a few businesses had to shut facilities due to the persistant ice flows...

and this thread agrees with you: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...aim-scientists

Thanks TargeT. I must have missed that thread. Sorry Cidersomerset maybe
my thread should be merged with his thread.

[rgray222]

About 7 or 8 years ago when global warming news was everywhere and the hype was hard to get away from the Bilderberg website had a entire page devoted to global cooling. They actually had a link to it on their top menu bar. Since then the site is a shell of what it used to be but I always thought that it was extremely odd that they would buck the mainstream media so hard.
Now I am beginning to wonder what they knew that the media. politicians and science was missing.

[araucaria]

Posted by jagman (here)
In 2007 the BBC reported that by the summer of 2013 the Artic
would be Ice free.

This was global warming fearmongering. Ice in the Arctic is a sign of normality, not an imminent ice age. Therer may be one coming, but this is not sufficient evidence.

[Operator]

I forgot which interview it was but I recently listened to an interview with a very serious expert astronomer
who debunked that a planet was close into our solar system and blamed NASA for deliberately spreading
dis-info. But as part of that interview he also mentioned that we're probably heading to a Maunder minimum.

He said that the oceans are currently cooling down i.s.o. heating up and that the ocean levels would be
dropping again. It has all got to do with the sun becoming 'dormant'. What I kind of missed in that show
is an answer to a question that came to my mind: "How come we expect intense solar flares and CME's
if the sun becomes dormant ?"

Anyway, I have to say that this year's hurricane season for the Atlantic has been a relative quiet one.
That could confirm that the ocean water is cooling down.

Here's a link where NASA apparently is mentioning the possibility of a coming ice age:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...r-minimum.html

But as mentioned above ... when is NASA telling the truth and what is dis-info