Here and Now...What's Happening?

[PurpleLama]

It is always the test of friendship, to get good and mad at one another, only to pick up where they left off when the dust settles. Hell, ulli, that's probably why you are the best friend I have on the forum (that I don't know IRL), ha.

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Posted by Flash (here)
this is very true but also very difficult to accomplish Ulli. It takes a lot of maturity and little ego to reach a point of balance and harmony after having had a challenge in between people. THe saddest part is to know that when this point of balance an harmony is reached, the relations becomes much much stronger and agreable, because more in truth, and that those who quit won't have the chance to share this thorough truth living and that those remaining are missing the same opportunities.

We may learn, as a specie, to live without too much ego at one point.

Flash, you said it better than me.

[Benevolent Bear]

For when SHTF go with pretty!
Borrowed from Ladies-of-the-Apocalypse FB page.

[ulli]

Posted by REILLY (here)
The One Truth forum has been down the last few days, hacked perhaps, and if so you know they who they would be most likely to blame.... Way too much attention was getting thrown to that particular topic on both forums, a distraction from many other more worthwhile endeavors, IMO. With the way it played out, I can see some of the One's friends getting upset over what was said, lord knows I have been there with other former forum members, although with one the case was obvious, with the other I have never properly understood. (meaning eagle and mod, respectively)

In all of these cases, particularly the last one, it was actually a matter of not giving ENOUGH attention to the issue, or else both sides would have had a better chance of understanding the other. In fact, only when unity is really valued for how important it is at this crisis time, will people develop the patience to keep expressing themselves and listening to one another and not drop the issue and walk off in a huff.

I honestly believe that Bill and the moderators had done their best, and didn't close the door until Malcolm had shown that he had no regard whatsoever for Avalon, nor desired that the two forums could coexist peacefully, with members moving between them at their leisure.
It is in the finest layers of the personalities involved that each has to do their inner work, while at the same time be brave enough to point out what they find unacceptable in the other side. And then allow the other the space to explain themselves. Somewhere in that dialogue the spark of truth can be released. Western society has become so speeded up that this process is constantly interrupted, with people thinking the bigger stuff is more important.
But how can we ever correct international relations unless we start with the easy ones we have here in forum life?
I just wanted to point that out to you, Reilly. In that sense a forum is really a school, and preparation for more difficult relationships in our respective 3 D communities.

[Flash]

My father was telling my sister and I: how do you want the world to stop making war if you cannot do it with your sister.

[PurpleLama]

Oh, so you wanna fight about it, eh?

*reaches for boxing gloves*

Ha, just kidding.

Your points are all very valid and useful, and I do not disagree, but my evaluation of it being a distraction stems from my thus far private assessment that the hack was actually done by some outside force and that Malcom was set up to be the fall guy. This is reinforced by the hack of the other forum just over a week later, which will only lead to further division and disruption between the forums and their membership. Who benefits? Only those who would rather not see such gatherings of such free thinking intellectuals who make up the majority of all such forums. I would not be surprised to see more such disruptions on any other given forums where the moderation is decent and the topics challenging to the ptb, or whatever.

[astrid]

just passing, saw the light on

[Flash]

Posted by REILLY (here)
Oh, so you wanna fight about it, eh?

*reaches for boxing gloves*

Ha, just kidding.

Your points are all very valid and useful, and I do not disagree, but my evaluation of it being a distraction stems from my thus far private assessment that the hack was actually done by some outside force and that Malcom was set up to be the fall guy. This is reinforced by the hack of the other forum just over a week later, which will only lead to further division and disruption between the forums and their membership. Who benefits? Only those who would rather not see such gatherings of such free thinking intellectuals who make up the majority of all such forums. I would not be surprised to see more such disruptions on any other given forums where the moderation is decent and the topics challenging to the ptb, or whatever.

It will be difficult to box with me (or Ulli) if I bow to your assessment.

However, somebody, somewhere, did agree to service the "force" wanting those disruptions. Resistance to the force, saying yes to love and truth, is sometimes difficult, and this is how people end up agreeing with harming others. Easy, use their egos and the 7 sins (glutonny, pride, envy, hate, don't remember the 3 others ones - got to Watch it, they may be the ones that I am sensitive to, although glutonny... lol).

Edit: ah yes, sex, hum, not sex, ah yes, lust, is it that? Why did I think it was related to sex (catholic school background).

[ulli]

The Avalon dance

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ

[Wind]

I hope that Paula is only taking a break... This place has had and has interesting and genuine members who have so much to share. When ever big issues come up people are being divided and it is unfortunate. I feel that I'm part of a big family here and it's always sad to see family members go... But I guess that sometimes you just have to move on.

Well, I wish all the best to Fred and to others who have left.

[Flash]

Posted by astrid (here)
just passing, saw the light on

Allô, happy to see you here. You want to sit for a tea and a chat?

[ulli]

Here is a quote about identification, which has always served me well, although it took a while to sink in before I really understood it.

"People who think they can control their negative emotions and manifest them when they want to, simply deceive themselves. Negative emotions depend on identification; if identification is destroyed in some particular case, they disappear. The strangest and most fantastic fact about negative emotions is that people actually worship them. I think that, for an ordinary mechanical man, the most difficult thing to realise is that his own and other people's negative emotions, have no value whatever and do not contain anything noble, anything beautiful or anything strong. In reality negative emotions contain nothing but weakness and very often the beginning of hysteria, insanity or crime. The only good thing about them is that, being quite useless and artificially created by imagination and identification, they can be destroyed without any loss. And this is the only chance of escape that man has."

— P. D. Ouspensky, The Psychology of Man's Possible Evolution (1950)

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi there, All:

(May I wipe my feet and come in for a moment?)

Yes, there were a few casualties from the hacking debacle, but only four (I think). Fred had been becoming more and more critical of myself personally and the forum in general, and so his departure was inevitable. We tried pretty hard, but there was nothing that could be done. Fred would not amend his views.

On the other hand, Jackovesk is back. I thought you might all enjoy this PM we sent him a moment ago, entitled "Welcome back (from Bill and the mods)":

Hi there, Jacko!

I've just noticed your new thread, and realized you were back. This PM is just a very sincere welcome back from me. I know the other mods all agree.

After your 'vacation', we all realized that it was an over-reaction on our part and it was way too long. We tried to e-mail you, but the only e-mail address we had for you bounced. There was no way to reach you.

Please let us know an updated e-mail address for you (or please update it yourself in your Profile)!

When we ban you for three months next time we need to get in touch with you to offer you parole or a plea bargain!

(BAD joke.)

I hope you do not bear us any grudges. We genuinely value you as a member, and are pleased you're here. If you were in a bar, I'd call you an Aussie bastard and buy you a beer. (But it's a shame about the Ashes! )

(Someone will have to explain that to the other mods.)



My very best wishes to you -- Bill

[1inMany]

I think that several times in the history of mankind, we have been given tools we either could not handle or did not understand. Much like a child given matches to play with. And I think that the source of those matches also stands at the ready with a can of gasoline for certain situations, or types of situations. Emotions seem to me the kindling.

That is what I meant by my (removed) comment about an energetic component.

And there are times when I have had this gasoline poured on me, never to recognize this at the time. Only after pulling myself to center and looking through a less emotional lens am I able to discern this. And there are times this also happens to others, also unable to identify it in the moment.

And it is difficult to watch, difficult for an observer who wants to pull involuntary participants from the fire. Sometimes all an observer can do is wait until the fire burns itself out.

Sometimes, what we can do is salvage what was not devoured.

And then, we can sometimes see how this was done. Sometimes see *why* this was done, in hopes to be more prepared when a similar situation arises.

My perspective, fwiw. And with Much Love, and probably with many phone typos,

[1inMany]

Oh my geez, we are supposed to wipe our feet? Oh, crap, where's that broom we used to use...



Oh, I like this one even better. Meet our new Village Broom No batteries required.

[1inMany]

Jackovesk is back? Wooo hoooooo. Wait, I'm not sure if I have met Jackovesk. Well, no matter. I ran to the Village bakery, and they were fresh out of Jackovesk cakes. But they let me have this one, we are going to have to improvise.



Yeah, I'm not really a diplomat. I just play one on TV.

Okay, since when do Villagers have nothing to say? Help me out, people...



Ahhhhh! Astrid! Holy cow! Okay, I ran back to the bakery.



Sorry, Astrid, you have to be Nicky. But...that's okay...we have a lot of artists here, maybe someone can doll this up?

Please, please tell me someone out there somewhere is appreciating the effort here...

[eaglespirit]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Nora (here)
Speaking of thunder storms I've noticed for the past few years that there has been a lot of bolt lightning activity in SoCal.
Thirty-five, forty years ago there was mostly flash lightning during thunder storms and more ozone.

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It's sort of driving me nuts...The numbers 922 keep appearing everywhere for the past month on signs, clocks and today a telephone number and a store receipt. Usually it's 11:11.
It's happened enough that it has my attention some. Just doing my best -definitely taking notice and being as mindful as I can possibly be.


Love


Nora


Haven't watched the Gordon Duff video yet, I don't know if I want to be carted off as a bean and cheese burrito by two meat loving tacos.

We don't have as many thunder storms these days, usually no more than a wink and a growl. I must have scared them off ha ha

922, Nora, sounds like your 11:11 is getting mixd up with 911: 911+11=922. Or maybe watch out for the 22nd? Not long to wait. Something nice of course

WE have 'transformed' the 9/11 debacle to a 'transcendent' tool and 'higher' meaning...
9 2 2 is confirmation from Your Spirit World for me, Nora : )

[ulli]

Until today I had no idea who was really behind the hacking,
so in a way Im glad the culprit was identified and Malcolm got rid of him.
Now perhaps another lesson was learnt and the doors which were once shut
can be reopened with a new understanding.
We (the truth buffs) have to remain united. I can't stand
when people leave Avalon and feel they got mistreated.
Of course there will always be some who feel so entitled to getting privileged treatment
that no matter how much attention they are afforded, it is never enough.

[Freed Fox]

Outsider to the village here... I pop in now and then, occasionally lurk when excerpts on the "Newest Posts" sidebar catch my eye, and felt compelled to pay a visit after noticing a few key topics coming up.

Energetics, contention, Fred leaving... I'm feeling these things quite acutely right now, and recently in general.

Like ulli, I was coming to appreciate Fred's contributions more and more as time passed on. I'm surely not aware of the fine details regarding the criticisms toward Bill/Avalon at large, so I'm not speaking about them in their entirety. I also didn't know Malcolm and had little interest in the "Findings" thread which created that particular controversy. There were other criticisms which he had been raising elsewhere which were not only appreciated on my part, but also - I believe - quite necessary.

Taking that position is the road less travelled here. Some simply don't like to engage in conflict or controversy. Others feel it is 'unenlightened' or somehow degrading. Many of us recognize the trappings of the ego, and how it likes to feed off of putting others down, or appearing to possess some intellectual or perceptive high ground. Indeed it is easy enough to keep scrolling and look elsewhere when something rubs you the wrong way. As discussed earlier here, there is much to be said for being able to air disagreements and grievences while not taking things too personally, and ending arguments amiably. A difficult dance, and I admire those who manage to pull it off.

I am no arbiter of truth, nor do I believe that anyone here (or anywhere else, for that matter) is capable of acting as such. There is such an immense amount of mystery in life, after all, and many things about which no one can really be certain. Yet, I can't help but feeling like leaving the proverbial doors wide open for anything to be espoused by anyone is doing this place a disservice, at least when it goes relatively unchallenged.

Of course, drawing a line necessitates that someone can know where that line should be drawn. That's the conundrum, and probably one without a solution. Yes, yes, discernment is key...but I think you would be hard pressed to refute the notion that some seem to be quite lacking in that regard, or have had it skewed by any number of things.


Apparently, at least three people have died in the floods which are occurring now in my home state. Further proof of the quality of the people here, and their depth of compassion lie in the messages they have been sending out on this topic. There is a compassionate response to virtually every disaster or negative event which comes along, and I love that about this place and many of the people here. Some real, genuine souls.

There is very little I can dismiss out of hand, even if I don't personally believe in it. I still have something of a nagging sensation, when it comes to certain lines of what seem like complete nonsense which, although fewer than the positive aspects described above, still manage to gain support and agreement despite being at best misguided and at worst utterly insane.

In the face of this and other events around the world, somehow someone who claims to hail from the future, who claims to control the weather with his mind, and who has actually gone so far as to state that he has singlehandedly saved the planet will not be held accountable but even worse; will continue to be listened to and heeded. It takes no stretch of the imagination to see how the implications of what he states are, if not indeed insane, at least immoral. 70% of the world's population have no souls? Animals have no souls? Well then, I suppose it would be just fine to subject them to any manner of torture or suffering, or at least look the other way when someone else does, because odds are they don't matter anyway?

Examples like that are fewer and further between, but I still take issue, and don't believe it reflects particularly well on the rest of us, and the community as a whole.

Sorry villagers...energetics. I simply had to express this somewhere... Thanks.

[eaglespirit]

I always knew Bill and I had a transmission line open...I rarely use the word 'debacle' and after I post my post regarding Nora's 922 matter...I then read Bill's post Here and Now and debacle jumps out at me.
Seems we are definitely on to dismantling the manipulation by orchestrated tragedy!

Welcome to the Village, Bill...good to see You Here and Now : )


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Carmody, there's 'thunder and lightning' right outside my window,
made me think of You : )

[1inMany]

Freed Fox, the Village is always open, to everyone. Sure there are some of us who just can't seem to leave (haha), but really, this is a safe place. If you have been peeking in, you know we share just like you just did. From my heart, please drop by any time.

Sorry, there ain't no way the bakery has any more cakes.



Much Love,

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Posted by eaglespirit (here)
I always knew Bill and I had a transmission line open...I rarely use the word 'debacle' and after I post my post regarding Nora's 922 matter...I then read Bill's post Here and Now and debacle jumps out at me.
Seems we are definitely on to dismantling the manipulation by orchestrated tragedy!

Welcome to the Village, Bill...good to see you Here and Now : )

I was just thinking how many times that word has been used today, like a word of the day. I think Reilly used it a while ago, too...and maybe even another person.

Sometimes, the connection is pretty cool, isn't it?