Extinct animals & a Real Neanderthal emerge from Little Ghost Forest in the Netherlands

[Flash]

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
Remember about a month ago, there was a cloud video of a winged creature flying in an out of the clouds?

I wonder if it had a tail also. Sparse hair patches on the being. Did the Neanderthal have a tail? I mean I've never seen one like this depicted, and I'm avid on the human anatomy through med courses.

Life bringer, this picture of the being with a tail here in is the TOTAL FABRICATION of an artist imagination, as mention in some posts above. No sparse hair and tail in reality, no pictures of any bizarre being has been presented yet.

Showing a picture from the imagination of an artist within an article on bizarrre beings will make people think that the beings are presented through the picture. That is how confusion and half truth/lies shows up.

So please, Lifebringer and other, do not let yourself be carried away by half lies and half truth. Nothing has been presented yet except for a dead wolf along the road, who had all its organs.

Personally, I do doubt very much that story - the beaver found in the wolf betrayed it. Beaver is the national animal here, we are used to see them, and they usually do not find themselves into wolfs stomachs. Furthermore, there is no more beavers in Dutchland - so...

THis is a case of wait and see.... until proven true, it is a doubtful story.


Edit: Hatemachine, from the Netherlands, corrected me on a pm telling me that beavers had been reintroduced in the Netherlands in the 80's and that the wolf had parts of the beaver (not the whole of it).
Also that it is Netherlands and not Dutchland. The latter was a tease from me (I should avoid such tease, being in an international forum and having the potential for being misunderstood).

[ghostrider]

this is all part of the time slip we are experiencing , causing headaches , heavy energy , two timelines are merging ... causing problems with each other ... the animals without organs are prepped for space flight , ET is making sure if we blow up the world , the moons of jupiter will have some animals from earth's past and present preserving the experiment ... We are seeing things that shouldn't be here , and things that we should see are gone, THE STARS , it goes back to the time travel the ptb are involved in , they have opened a portal that they cannot close ...

[Realeyes]

Okay...., I have just finished listening to the whole radio interview that had Robert McDonald and James Horak discussing this strange event occurring in a Netherlands forest. I wanted to give an update now that I have listened to the entire interview to give justice to this thread.

Robert McDonald claims to be a 'fact' researcher person, rather than someone that deals with E.T. and other types of phenomena that is hard to explain; for instance, he had never heard of Ley Lines when his team sent him a Skype text that someone had written in claiming this particular forest had a ley line running right through it. Robert claims to have a large team of investigators dotted around the world who work with him on such investigations, one of them an ex NASA employee and I think he also said another scientist on his team.

Robert claims to live just 5 kilometers away from this forest and is in touch with locals living on the doorstep of the forest - this is part of his neighbourhood so he is very familiar with everyone. In regards to the 'Neanderthal type creature', he was told this (did not witnesses this personally) by a farmer, who said there was more photos to follow. (I will come back to this Neanderthal topic in a short while.) I think Robert said he heard the loud sonic booms that happened midday and then the sky completely blacked. Also he had heard the technology the military have switched on that is suppose to make any animal in the forest want to leave - and this noise is most uncomfortable to the local residents ears too.

Robert says he was there on site during a night stake-out with a few of his team, hiding waiting to see what the military were about to remove from inside the forest. He said he personally witnessed military remove what looked like a large bell and had taken photos of it - curiouser even still, that it distinctly looked like the missing Natzi Bell (?!?). I just want to reiterate, he said he was there in person witnessing the Bell being removed rather than this being a hearsay from someone else.

Robert also mentions seeing all the white tents (that the military said was for planting trees - yeah right) and the various types of military craft that have been coming and going landing at this site, it has been very busy with activity. He also mentioned after the loud sonic booms, that occurred midday, the sky blacked out - this was prior to the 'Bell' being discovered.

Since speaking about this on the Kevin Smith Show he has received numerous threats and someone is interfering with his computer and internet connections and making life unpleasant for him.

Robert said he had been told by locals and also some military personnel he had spoken to, that 27 different extinct species had been found on and around the site. He also said much of this has been publicised by Dutch newspapers.

As to the 'Dragon' that was washed up on the Spanish coast, Robert had been there when this event occurred with his team investigating this. He states that samples were taken and that 8 different countries would be checking out it's DNA - so far, there is no DNA that matches it, so he claims.

Okay, so getting back to the Neanderthal image that turns out to be someone's artwork that Witchy1 rightly noted and pointed out. 'A photo' was mentioned on the interview and that this photo could be found on some Ghost Hunter website (I have no clue which one). Now when Robert and James were talking about 'the photo', were they actually talking about this artwork photo, or has this since be inserted to discredit the whole story? I am just wondering, as something like this would make many people listening get suspicious and instantly switch off concluding the whole story as a hoax. James Horak seems an intelligent person, I am surprised if he has fallen for this, yet do understand we all get caught out once in a while with egg on our face.

I do not know anything about this Robert, yet I listened carefully to what he had to say, and he is either an excellent liar and story teller, or totally believes what he is witnessing physically in the area around this forest. He mentioned that he investigates and passes on news to other media outlets - If true.....it doesn't make sense that he would wreck his career talking about military, tents, technology, extinct animals, witnessing the Bell removal etc. AND it is interesting that so little of this can be found on the internet, usually if something has been published in newspapers there is a trail to go down and research - strange that there is next to nothing - even discussions claiming it is is a hoax.

So for me, I will be keeping an open mind on this, as there is a possibility that tptb are trying to keep this story under wraps and maybe adding an unrelated photo of someone's artwork in the mix to throw us all off the scent - just a thought.

Does anyone have personal contact with James Horak, if so, can you please send him the photo in the 1st post and see if this 'actually is' the photo they were discussing on the interview or something entirely different? I believe this would be most useful to know.

Also, just to finish off this post, James and Robert also discussed briefly other areas around the world that are also having strange or extinct creatures just mysteriously turning up - so the OP story may be even more curious and bigger - who knows, time will tell. Anyone who has read the Montauk books or listened to other military black opp whistle-blowers will be aware that Time Travel has been secretly explored for many decades.

Please keep us posted on any updates Zebra.

[Debra]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
Remember about a month ago, there was a cloud video of a winged creature flying in an out of the clouds?

I wonder if it had a tail also. Sparse hair patches on the being. Did the Neanderthal have a tail? I mean I've never seen one like this depicted, and I'm avid on the human anatomy through med courses.

Life bringer, this picture of the being with a tail here in is the TOTAL FABRICATION of an artist imagination, as mention in some posts above. No sparse hair and tail in reality, no pictures of any bizarre being has been presented yet.

Showing a picture from the imagination of an artist within an article on bizarrre beings will make people think that the beings are presented through the picture. That is how confusion and half truth/lies shows up.

So please, Lifebringer and other, do not let yourself be carried away by half lies and half truth. Nothing has been presented yet except for a dead wolf along the road, who had all its organs.

Personally, I do doubt very much that story - the beaver found in the wolf betrayed it. Beaver is the national animal here, we are used to see them, and they usually do not find themselves into wolfs stomachs. Furthermore, there is no more beavers in Dutchland - so...

THis is a case of wait and see.... until proven true, it is a doubtful story.

Flash, you are clearly an intelligent person. But I do get disappointed when members decide to really try and toast a thread and make absolutely no comment on the interview itself. Did you actually listen to it in full? Or listen at all??

Yes, the photo now puts great suspicion on the whole story but this thread also questions much more.

I held a lot of respect for Kevin Smith and his style of investigation (when he was alive, may he rest in peace) and he was no fool, make no mistake about that. And for him to pick up this story and run with it, I don't believe it should be sniffed at.

I really ask you to not throw mud at this whole thread.

But I guess you have already.

This is a side of Avalon that I abhor.

Sad really.

[Gemeos]

Pia Knudsen, from Exopolitics Denmark, has met Robert McDonald and wrote an article about him and his claims.

Read it and you'll be elucidated about him - http://copenhagenufo-research.blogspot.pt/

I wonder what Kevin Smith saw in him?

[Debra]

Realeyes - thank you for that excellent review.

The photo was actually carried on James' website ... if you click on the link of the OP (I corrected it, by the way)

I agree with you, time will tell.

As for Captain Robert McDonald, he was first interviewed by Kevin Smith a few years ago - after he claimed an encounter with a UFO off the coast of Spain. Prior to this encounter, the topic of UFOs had never hit his radar, he said. He was actually sailing in a specially made Viking replica ship on its maiden voyage with a crew of teenagers - it was project to raise funds for some charity. The boat had been constructed with paddle pop sticks donated by thousands of primary school children. The encounter with this UFO was another incredible story - and what followed was equally fascinating. Not surprisingly, his life was turned upside down from that point.

I was very taken by the truth in his voice during this early interview - and he has copped a lot of criticism too since this time but like Kevin Smith, I am pretty convinced this man has integrity. You never know but yes, this case must stay open to see what else lies beyond. You bet

I just tried to raise the interview on You Tube because it was there for a while. So if anyone knows where we can get it, it is worth listening to as well.

Best wishes
Debra

[Debra]

Posted by Gemeos (here)
Pia Knudsen, from Exopolitics Denmark, has met Robert McDonald and wrote an article about him and his claims.

Read it and you'll be elucidated about him - http://copenhagenufo-research.blogspot.pt/

I wonder what Kevin Smith saw in him?

Gemeos,

Perhaps this exchange between Kevin Smith and Pia Knudsen about Capt Robert McDonald might give you some idea. It occurred around the interview about this case we are talking about. It appeared on Kevin's facebook page:

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Pia Knudsen I am really puzzled that you again invite this fraud, hoaxter and notorious liar Robert McDonald to your programme, that is clearly not what you stated a year ago in our email Exchange: http://copenhagenufo-research.blogspot.dk/

Copenhagen UFO Research
copenhagenufo-research.blogspot.com
ufo research
9 August at 08:10 · Like

Pia Knudsen shame on you Kevin Smith
9 August at 08:13 · Like

Kevin Smith Pia... shame on you. You say he is a fraud, and on your say so we are supposed to just stop listening to everything he says. You are not god and so far as I know, he didn't die and make you the judge of all the rest of us. My show does not promote a guest or his statements. My show presents them and opens them to questioning. You stand out there and throw rocks at a true freedom of speech show and did not have the guts to call in and question him. He reported on what was in the Dutch news, and I verified it was in the Dutch news. Nothing fraudulent there. The fraud, so far as I can see, is you wanting freedom of speech for yourself and demanding I deny it to someone else. Shame on you Pia.
9 August at 11:06 · Like · 2

Kevin Smith Further, when your original accusations came out, I said he would not be on the show again until he explained this situation. He did. You have provided no evidence, no proof, nothing other than your own accusations. I don't shut down free speech like so much of this genre does. But, anytime you gather up the guts to do so, feel free to call in to the show and question the guests.
9 August at 11:09 · Like · 2

Pia Knudsen I have plenty of guts, that is why I wrote my blog to expose his lies. I was not listening live to the program (I live in europe) someone mentioned that you again had him on your show, and that says alot about your lack of truthseeking. As with all notorious liars they mix and match truth with lies. I have first hand experience with him, staying at the same farm house for a week during a conference in Bergen, so keep god out of it. `Fool you once shame on him, fool you twice shame on you, Kevin Smith´
9 August at 16:53 · Like · 1

Kevin Smith All we have is your article with accusations which he answered on air shortly after you article was published. Whatever your issues with him, they are yours. They have absolutely no bearing on whether he was reporting to us accurately what was in the Dutch newspapers. I checked what he claimed was in the Dutch news prior to the show and he was correct. Your personal issues are yours. They are of no interest to me or the show. Now, if you have evidence he lied about what was in the Dutch newspapers, bring it on. Otherwise, this is a tempest in a teacup. Your opinion of me is also inconsequential. My years of work in this genre stand on their own.

[Flash]

Posted by Zebra (here)

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
Remember about a month ago, there was a cloud video of a winged creature flying in an out of the clouds?

I wonder if it had a tail also. Sparse hair patches on the being. Did the Neanderthal have a tail? I mean I've never seen one like this depicted, and I'm avid on the human anatomy through med courses.

Life bringer, this picture of the being with a tail here in is the TOTAL FABRICATION of an artist imagination, as mention in some posts above. No sparse hair and tail in reality, no pictures of any bizarre being has been presented yet.

Showing a picture from the imagination of an artist within an article on bizarrre beings will make people think that the beings are presented through the picture. That is how confusion and half truth/lies shows up.

So please, Lifebringer and other, do not let yourself be carried away by half lies and half truth. Nothing has been presented yet except for a dead wolf along the road, who had all its organs.

Personally, I do doubt very much that story - the beaver found in the wolf betrayed it. Beaver is the national animal here, we are used to see them, and they usually do not find themselves into wolfs stomachs. Furthermore, there is no more beavers in Dutchland - so...

THis is a case of wait and see.... until proven true, it is a doubtful story.

Flash, you are clearly an intelligent person. But I do get disappointed when members decide to really try and toast a thread and make absolutely no comment on the interview itself. Did you actually listen to it in full? Or listen at all??

Yes, the photo now puts great suspicion on the whole story but this thread also questions much more.

I held a lot of respect for Kevin Smith and his style of investigation (when he was alive, may he rest in peace) and he was no fool, make no mistake about that. And for him to pick up this story and run with it, I don't believe it should be sniffed at.

I really ask you to not throw mud at this whole thread.

But I guess you have already.

This is a side of Avalon that I abhor.

Sad really.

I do get disappointed when member think I would comment on a thread without having read it or listened to the video. Of course I did read and listen, hence my comments.

It disappoints me still more when I read such comments below:

Zebra: I really ask you to not throw mud at this whole thread.

But I guess you have already.

This is a side of Avalon that I abhor.

Being judged and classified, with Avalon by the way, for things I have not done. The one who says "this is it, it is the way your are" is, in my opinion, doing much injustice to its own thread. It is not by getting attacks on a personal basis that the thread will go anywhere.

This part from my post should have been read too

Flash: THis is a case of wait and see.... until proven true, it is a doubtful story

So, I am waiting for more info before potentially changing my actual opinion, It cannot be clearer can it? Yet, it does not mean that I dismiss the whole thing.

In fact, the sad loss of Kevin Smith himself is an indicator that something may be brewing underneath. To me, such death at some suspicious times/research is an indicator to push me to look further.

Therefore, I remain open.

But please, do not mix in ARTISTIC INPUT and ARTIST LIBERTIES into something that should be quite factual. This confuses everyone. (I am not saying you did it Zebra, I am saying the the reporter you took it from did it without telling the source of the picture).

So yes, I am waiting for more facts. This is one case of "I will keep an eye open for potential informational links elsewhere". You may be surprised, I may be the one ressuscitating your thread in a year from now if I find some more information.

[Debra]

Thank you for your response Flash.

This is why I opened the thread to find out more. And I have no problem with you correcting another member's understanding about the context of this picture.

And yes, I think there is a great deal more to find out.

Best wishes,
Debra

[Realeyes]

I too really liked listening to Kevin Smith interviews (sadly only the ones that appeared on Youtube); I always found his questions very articulate, mindful and mind expansive and useful to his listeners to think bigger outside the box. I will miss his astute mind.

Thank you Zebra for posting Kevin's reply to Pia's blog statements, I much appreciate this, as when I read Pia's blog on the link given by Gemeous, well it left me somewhat aghast..... 'in the minds of others' can often be quite a surprise seeing how it is deemed from the other shoe.

Also thanks for your previous post with explanation about Robert - it jogged my memory, I remember now the viking ship made of lolly pop sticks 'event'; I just don't remember names too well. In that old interview Robert sounded pretty genuine and back then too, as well as shell-shocked as to what had happened - what an event that was!

Is anyone in contact with James Horak to let him know the truth of where that photo originates from? I believe this would be useful as it would nip it in the bud to rectify the 'mis-take' quickly, (that is quite possibly a 'plant' intended to derail the whole event) and stop others being mislead (believer/non-believer).

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I don't often post on PA and had forgotten how fiery discussions can get at times; the written word is not the greatest communicator, I constantly remind myself of this - if we were all face to face it would be so different.

I do hope this discussion continues with balanced neutral mind-fulness in all directions into greater expansions of thought and possibilities. I have found all the links and pointers mentioned on this thread useful to read to see it from different angles, this is healthy to do and all part of researching, something that PA members are always very good at. I just sense (and Kevin Smith did too) that this is not the end to this very curious story, it's only just skimming the surface I personally suspect.

[Debra]

Hi Realeyes

Regarding letting James Horak know well, Actually, someone has in the last hour jumped on a thread on James page on Facebook to let him know .. Saying that Project Avalon did the leg work for him LOL.

I will be keen to find out what James and others in his circle say. I need to go to bed now so will find out later where this goes.

Thank you for giving me some great reading today Realeyes and that goes to everyone else too.

Never a dull moment around here

Cheers and zzzzzzzzzzz

[Gemeos]

Does anyone have the reports on the Dutch Newspapers?
I would love to see them.

And I have to say that Pia is a personal friend of mine (not an internet friend. I mean on the real world) and is a well respect member of the European Exopolitics Network (Portugal, Spain, UK, Germany, Finland, Denmark - Exopolitics Europe). Also, she has plenty of witnesses for what happened in Bergen.

[Flash]

I corrected my post #21 thanks to Hatemachine explanations on a pm.

[Debra]

Posted by Gemeos (here)
Does anyone have the reports on the Dutch Newspapers?
I would love to see them.

Hi there Gemeos,

I found if you click on the link from the post to the dutch report that I included in Post #6 of this thread and take the URL link and put it into google translator, which I have done for you here: http://translate.google.se/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtvoost.nl%2Fnieuws%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fnid%3D166743&act=url
This english translation page throws up a number of related articles on the topic of the wolf.

What interested me when I listened to the interview with Capt Robert McDonald and James Horak was the information that both wolf and beaver (found in the stomach of the wolf) apparently came from extinct species of both wolf and beaver respectively.

What does that say?

That, I have to say, is what has piqued my interest. Not just that all there is available is a dead wolf with organs and parts of a beaver in its stomach.

When you go to this translated link, as you can see from the number of related newspaper articles on the subject (that follow the article) there has been DNA testing done on both the wolf and the beaver by a university.

My question is why? Especially with the knowledge that wolves could likely be wandering into the Netherlands along the green belts. Is this normal practice? And all the fuss made.

Also, media did pick it up but then all roads have been closed, so to speak. And for a window of time it seemed that a lot of people were talking openly about it, including the university, from what I am able to gather from the translation - all this *official* and *documented/reported* attention implies (to me anyway) that something strange is going on here.

Love to know what you think.

I messaged Hatemachines who apparently is from the Netherlands as Flash has written in her post earlier. I wanted to know if he knew of the forest that the case is happening in, also what the dutch translation for Little Ghost Forest is … but I did find it in one of these articles - it is called Luttelgeest, which interestingly translates as 'trifling spirit'

One thing that crossed my mind, and which Flash has already mentioned, is the fact that Kevin Smith died soon after this story broke. I found it a little suspicious myself.

A Good enough reason indeed to keep this open.

Thanks for prompting me Gemeos.

In respect to this thoughtline ..

And I have to say that Pia is a personal friend of mine (not an internet friend. I mean on the real world) and is a well respect member of the European Exopolitics Network (Portugal, Spain, UK, Germany, Finland, Denmark - Exopolitics Europe). Also, she has plenty of witnesses for what happened in Bergen.

It sure does add another layer and I certainly hope it's not a planned distraction. That's all I am going to say.

Giovanni says the story sounds like something out of the X Files - I said, spot on. I am even expecting the Cigarette Man to pop up in this one

Cheers, Z

[GaelVictor]

Zebra requested, since i live in the Netherlands, if i could find any facts on the matter of the OP. Here are facts and an explanation of how information became somewhat distorted on the way to the maker of that video.

A wolf was found dead alongside a road in the town of Luttelgeest in north Netherland on 4th juli, which caused arousal because the last wild wolf died in the south of the Netherlands in 1887.
Was the wolf back or was this maybe a dog that closely resembled one?
Investigations followed and the animal was taken to research center Naturalis; soon it became clear this was a young female wolf of 2/3 years and her DNA matched that of populations in eastern Europe, the Carpatian mountains to be specific..
It's skull had cracks consistent with a hit by a car, which was deadly, and the stomach contained some meat from a (normal) beaver which are abundant in the Netherlands. Wolf poulations in Germany and France have been rapidly increasing and it is expected they wil soon form packs in Netherland too, however this one came from a little further away, but the distance is quite normal for a young wolf looking for a new territory.



About the distortion; when you translate Luttelgeest litterally into english you get Luttelghost and with some more imaginativities; little ghost. The meaning of Luttelgeest contains a reference to the sandy plain that once was part of a castle and it's grounds there in the year 1379. At another castle nearby in the year 1406 the dauchter of the lord of Kuinre drowned at a flood, she came back to haunt the castle as a ghost, the lord was driven to near insanity and sold the castle.
There have been no sightings of her or any other ghost since.

There are no reports about ghosts, strange or extinct animals, with or without intestines, army trucks, men in white overalls, etc. at all. If anything was awkward in any way we would know about this almost immediately.
Netherland is too small for UFO's to land and go about their business in shady little forests

No i'm afraid this little interesting story is just a production of someone's overcreative mind; a fantasy, but an intruiging one nontheless.

[Debra]

Posted by Hatemachines (here)
Zebra requested, since i live in the Netherlands, if i could find any facts on the matter of the OP. Here are facts and an explanation of how information became somewhat distorted on the way to the maker of that video.

...
There are no reports about ghosts, strange or extinct animals, with or without intestines, army trucks, men in white overalls, etc. at all. If anything was awkward in any way we would know about this almost immediately.
Netherland is too small for UFO's to land and go about their business in shady little forests

No i'm afraid this little interesting story is just a production of someone's overcreative mind; a fantasy, but an intruiging one nontheless.

Thank you kindly Hatemachines. It is odd though that a female would be wandering apart from a pack, or maybe female wolves are dispersers too.

I am still open to whatever unfolds in this story - Somehow, I don't think the full story has been reported through mainstream.

Is this area of the Netherlands rural? I know that Amsterdam and environs is intensely populated.

Again, thank you kindly. It certainly explains - one good reason - why the wolf was tested for DNA.

Cheers

[ghostrider]

the story is in the papers everyday in the netherlands ... but everywhere else it is squashed ... lucky for us Mr. Mcdonald lives there or we would know about it ... the military is taking all cameras and not letting people in the woods ...

[GaelVictor]

Is this area of the Netherlands rural? I know that Amsterdam and environs is intensely populated.

The area is considered rural (for one of the most densely populated countries in the world, 450 ppl per square kilometer), by our standards. Australians or Canadians for instance would find that statement ridiculous as the area is riddled with towns and farms. Again if there are dodgy things going on with men in white spacesuits it would be on Twitter, Facebook, local media etc. in minutes.

[GaelVictor]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
the story is in the papers everyday in the netherlands ... but everywhere else it is squashed ... lucky for us Mr. Mcdonald lives there or we would know about it ... the military is taking all cameras and not letting people in the woods ...

That is a lot of lies in 1 sentence, these guys in the video talk a lot of BS and get their facts wrong, make stuff up and use anything to build up their fantastic story. Either someone needs to make money or someone has a mental problem.

Discernment people, use it!

[samvado]

Posted by Hatemachines (here)

That is a lot of lies in 1 sentence, these guys in the video talk a lot of BS and get their facts wrong, make stuff up and use anything to build up their fantastic story. Either someone needs to make money or someone has a mental problem.

Discernment people, use it!

I second that !!!!

As I said above (and showed in the link) some German papers picked up the story too, there is no mention of a beaver, but the DNA of the wolf is checked because (and that seems a regular practise these days) they can track his ancestry that way. The biologsts are wondering if its a specific wolf that was seen before and in particular if it originated in Poland.

All the rest of the story seems 100% b/s to me, knowing the area a bit (used to go to A'dam on a regular basis from Hamburg) there is NO WAY this scenario would not be reported wide & far on fb and twitter!!!