Is Comet Ison Really A Comet?

[Nick Matkin]

Back on topic; yes indeed!

The point is, how come all the amateur astronomers across the world have NOT spotted that Comet Ison is in three parts? Carmody has already shown the type of telescopes some amateur astronomer use.

What's wrong with the parallax explanation?

Is the guy giving the voice-over in the video a qualified (or even unqualified) astronomer, or just a purveyor or conspiracy fear-porn and disinformation?

Like I said, this stuff cannot be covered up. And why should it be? If the comet does break up, that would be seen and reported as an interesting development, although not the first time a comet has split up or disintegrated as it approached the sun.

Soon enough we'll be able to see with our own eyes...

(Why is time spent claiming stuff like this is 'covered up'?)



Nick

[Mandala]

Okay, I really hesitated to post this, but then decided to anyway. Alfred Lamont Weber has interviewed a guy many times called "Tolec", who claims to be a contactee, not a channel. He says he speaks with the Andromeda people on their biosphere.

I can see you shaking your heads and saying, " oh no, what a dufus".

However, wouldn't it be nice to think that maybe this guy isn't delusional , or perhaps planted by an alphabet agency, and this could be a harbinger of first contact.

I'm only hoping, because I really want this to happen. I want contact and disclosure. I think it would be fantastic if things could play out this way and there was absolutely nothing the elites could do about it. Maybe this is why there pushing for a war.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=euWLhPT80Mo

[Nick Matkin]

Thanks for posting. I too would like to think this guy sincere, but is he just taking the **** to see who takes him seriously for mischievous fun?

If the 'biosphere' and 'escort ships' are anywhere near as big as he says, we'd be able to SEE them with a basic, half-decent telescope by now. The comet's visible nucleus is only about 3 miles across which we can see - that's only one percent of the '300 mile' diameter biosphere, which has - apparently - gone undetected.

I hope the Andromeda Council really exists and not just in some folks' heads. But how will we know?

(Nice music BTW.)

And when comet Ison comes and goes without incident, will these people fess-up and say they were mistaken - again? Nahh...

Nick

[Mandala]

They're always bringing an excuse to the table. This could be the end of Tolec being a "contactee". I wonder what excuse he will make?

[Nick Matkin]

Just found this:

www.dailygrail.com/Alien-Nation/2013/9/Comet-ISON-is-not-UFO-Armada


And a comment from The Anomalist - a very good source for reports of the weird:

Is it just short memories or are people really nuts? It turns out that with the impending arrival of Comet ISON, a number of websites are claiming that the new comet is accompanied by an alien spacecraft. Hello? Have you ever heard of Comet Hale–Bopp and Heaven's Gate? Can we stop this madness? [...]

Folks love all this nonsense and the fact that nothing has ever happened in the past (and I'm open to correction here) simply makes no difference. This stuff just keeps on coming!

Nick

[Mandala]

I certainly hope there aren't any suicide pacts made during the passing of this comet. Heaven's Gate was horrific.

[Smell the Roses]

I will be interested to see what comes of this. I think we have to rely on the NASA images for now, and we know they won't tell us if there is anything strange about it. Once it is closer, I'll have to get out the telescope!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Has this vid been posted somewhere else here? Not sure. It would certainly challenge NASA's cover story of the 'anomalies' having resulted from multiple exposures.

But my initial feeling is that this is probably (almost certainly) a fake, ie CGI. But use your own discernment.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tyab5aMmLow

[conk]

If some entity was able to build a 3 mile long ship, wouldn't they perhaps have the ability to cloak themselves? Hindering normal observation?

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by conk (here)
If some entity was able to build a 3 mile long ship, wouldn't they perhaps have the ability to cloak themselves? Hindering normal observation?

And with a half-decent telescope all those amateur astronomers would be able to see it!

C'mon guys; basic questions we should be asking ourselves when we see stuff like this:

1) Does the Tianlian 1 satellite exist? Yes, but it's a communication satellite, is in orbit around the Earth and therefore is nowhere near the comet!

2) Where did the video come from and first appear? Well apparently it just appeared from the original poster.

3) Is that really a video of Ison? Well if it just 'appeared' from one source, have a guess...

4) Who is the guy making the video? What does he know about astronomy? He probably just makes hoax videos.

But hey, he may have stolen the video from a secret NASA source so there won't be an original one floating about in the public domain. So of course it may all be genuine, you can decide.

(The obvious fact that he got the satellite wrong cannot be incompetence. It's surely just a clue that this is bull sh*t for anyone who wants to do even the tiniest bit of checking!)

Nick

[Smell the Roses]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
Has this vid been posted somewhere else here? Not sure. It would certainly challenge NASA's cover story of the 'anomalies' having resulted from multiple exposures.

But my initial feeling is that this is probably (almost certainly) a fake, ie CGI. But use your own discernment.

It's not clear from this video what the source of the image of the comet with the two circling moons is. The current images from amateur astronomers are nowhere near this detailed and close-up, so I would have to say CGI is likely.

Looks like if we had a really good telescope we could look for ourselves now. If you have a halfway decent telescope, you can see it next month. If you have a cheap telescope like mine, you probably have to wait longer!

http://www.universetoday.com/104458/...y-morning-sky/

[Mandala]

Sorry but I can't help it. Until this comet is on its way out, I will probably look at follow- ups until it's so apparent the guy is wrong. It's my nature. BPEarthwatch is still at it with new shots.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IIymqqAoESU

[Bill Ryan]

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From http://archive.stsci.edu/hla/ison :

Some bloggers have noted that the Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) Hubble images have some surprising features. Here we briefly explain the origin of the image structures.

Quick summary: The image is the result of combining 3 exposures that produce the 3 components, and the shapes are produced by the combined motion of the Hubble telescope and the comet. The images look exactly as expected.


Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON)
Hubble, 2013 Apr 30
Combined 3-exposure image

The image from April 30, 2013 (released on July 16, 2013) using the F606W filter has attracted the most attention. That image (shown above) is the average of 3 separate Hubble exposures. The 3 exposures are available individually for display or download from the web page, as is the combined image. The table below shows the image of the comet in each of the 3 exposures along with information about the exposures.

Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) Hubble observations on 2013 April 30 using F606W


Exposure 1, 440 seconds


Exposure 2, 440 seconds


Exposure 3, 440 seconds

You can see that the 3 parts of the structure in the combined image result from the 3 different exposures. The comet itself does not have 3 pieces. They are an artifact that results from adding up the separate exposures.

The comet does not look the same in each exposure because both the comet and the Hubble telescope are moving during the exposure. The comet is blurred, just as a picture taken out the window of a moving car will be blurred. For this image the Hubble telescope was pointing very steadily and accurately at the background stars and galaxies rather than tracking the comet.

In this case, the largest part of the blurring is due to the motion of Hubble itself rather than the motion of the comet. Hubble is orbiting the Earth every 95 minutes. The third exposure ended 46 minutes after the start of the first exposure. During that time the telescope moved from one side of its orbit to the other, a distance of about 8000 miles (~13,000 km). Because the comet is relatively nearby (compared with the distant stars and galaxies), its apparent position among the stars changes due to the different viewing position. This effect is known as parallax. It is expected when observing Solar System targets, and can produce very obvious motion or blurring in images as Hubble whips around the Earth.

[Smell the Roses]

Yes, the NASA officially line is that the three parts come from the three different images and the parallax phenomenon. I'm not sure what their explanation is for having increased the brightness in the first place to make the three parts not apparent. Just to make a pretty picture? I don't want to spend a lot of time looking into it, because it's the government who is the source of these images. My usual philosophy with them is to assume they are lying unless it is proven otherwise. It will be nice when it is close enough to see with our own telescopes or our own eyes.

[Smell the Roses]

Posted by Mandala (here)
Sorry but I can't help it. Until this comet is on its way out, I will probably look at follow- ups until it's so apparent the guy is wrong. It's my nature. BPEarthwatch is still at it with new shots.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IIymqqAoESU

Mandala,
Two interesting questions are raised in this video:

1) If we accept the three images parallax explanation, why did NASA combine the images and increase the brightness?

2) They haven't done this composite image thing in the past with other comets, so why now?

I don't personally have a lot of attachment to whether ISON is a comet or not. Elsewhere people have said it's a friendly ET biosphere (sounds good), or a reptilian ship (hope not). It could be just a comet. The fact that NASA doth protest too much just feeds the fire.

[Peace of Mind]

Meh, to be honest, I don’t see how any of us can know what this is. I’m sure it’s just as unimportant as the many other space anomalies we speculated about in the past. Until I get my very own spacecraft I’ll reserve judgment while continuing to concentrate on more meaningful happenings within our atmosphere…not above it. Nasa is very good at creating distractions and keeping our heads in the clouds. I can hardly think of anything important that agency has done for mankind… other than filling them with inconsistent theories and ideologies. Oh, I do hear their memory foam mattresses are a big hit, btw. Keeping people sleeping comfortably sounds like something they are very good at doing…

Peace

[Mandala]

I guess my mistrust of NASA, comes from its Never A Straight Answer history.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Merry Mom (here)

2) They haven't done this composite image thing in the past with other comets, so why now?

Actually, they have! As best I know, it's standard practice with small moving objects. Stars effectively don't move relative to us (apart from taking the Earth's rotation into account), so this method of compiling a photo isn't necessary. They just use long exposures.

<--- Nick, can you confirm?

I do actually remember exactly the same conversation about Elenin, which some said was being accompanied by 'spaceships'. They were just image artifacts, generated in the same way.

I promise you guys: this is just a comet. Really! If it's not, I'll eat my hat with mayonnaise and ketchup and post the video on YouTube.

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

<--- Nick, can you confirm?

No, I'm sorry Bill I can't confirm - I really don't know enough about astrophotography to even speculate.

But as you say, it's just a comet. Where's the proper evidence to say it's anything else? A few Youtube videos with scary music and impressive but irrelevant graphics? I don't think they count, neither do any astronomers.

Unfortunately saying that over and over isn't going to convince those who think that this time it really is a spaceship/Planet X/Nibiru with its inhabitants coming to save/destroy humanity.

This one will run and run until we can all see it with our own eyes, then it will fade away back into space and nothing will have happened.

No one will then fess up and say all their hype was bull s**t and apologise to those who were taken in by it. Then the fiasco will be completely forgotten, until a few months later when there is bound to be another reported astronomical harbinger of salvation/destruction. And as if we've all been gripped by a collective amnesia, the hype will start again as if it were the first time...

A few will scream "ENOUGH! WE'VE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE", but alas it will fall on deaf ears.

So Bill, I'm with you. But oh; I really hope I'm wrong - I do so much want to see you eat your hat with with mayonnaise and ketchup - and mustard, please?

Cheers,

Nick

[aviators]

I don't know this one could be the game changer? Why have they closed down
the latest available images? If you actually watch BP watchers video he shows a interesting image from a private earth based telescope. Bill I don't want you to have to eat your hat but really how do we know for sure.

If the world trade center buildings were taken down by a direct energy weapon that turns steel to dust(would NOT believed 6 years ago) anything is possible. Also many false predictions lately will have peoples guard down.

Well we wont have too long to wait!