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    Pope Francis's stunning blow to conservatives

    In the most sensational interview, the pope has attempted to change the whole direction of modern Catholicism

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-conservatives

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    Quote by Zen Gardner

    When this Jesuit genocidal pogrom supporter took the throne, we knew this guy was going to be a doozy. And he has peeled away from the previous pack of popes fast. After BennyDickedUs got his marching orders and was quarantined in some hermetically sealed apartment free from prosecution, Pope Frankie went bonkers setting new precedents and getting his billions of followers used to marching to “larger tent” orders in their robotic religious paradigm.

    Just look at this latest, which would have easily driven the “faithful” crazy in an earlier era. But hey, he’s the voice of god, so what’s to question?

    Pope Says Church Should Stop Obsessing Over Gays, Abortion
    Pope Francis said the Catholic Church shouldn’t be “obsessed” with preaching about abortion, gay marriage and contraception and should instead try to reach out to a broader congregation.

    “It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,” Francis told the Catholic publication, La Civilta Cattolica. “We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the Church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.”

    Francis, the first non-European pope in more than 1,200 years, distinguished himself from the start of his papacy by speaking out in favor of the world’s poor. In the first six months of his papacy he’s also made overtures to other faiths and attempted to root out corruption in the Vatican Bank.

    “He is getting back to the real values,” Veronica Chambers, 68, a practising Catholic who lives in Los Angeles said in a telephone interview. “Those of us who have any brains, us modern Catholics who need it, want it, will welcome this message.”

    His comments marks a contrast with that of his predecessor, Benedict XVI, who struck a more conservative tone on sexuality and was criticized for not doing enough to root out sexual abuse in the clergy.

    The Church should be “the home of all,” Francis said in the 12,000-word interview conducted in August at his quarters in the Vatican guest house, which he chose over the rich papal apartments of his predecessors. Source

    The Church As “The Home of All”?

    Of course they’ve been evangelizing forever but this has a new bent. We knew he’d be an activist with his Jesuit background and our globalist state of being funneled into a new world order, but he’s moving very quickly and setting a completely different tone, and a radical new direction.

    How? Simply check the fairly sizable goal. “Home of all.”

    With an estimated 2.2 billion Christians on the planet and over half of these maneuverable followers remote-controlled Catholics, they are bound to be a major focus of control for the ruling psychopaths. Is it any wonder then that a “progressive” program pushing Jesuit should lead the charge into promoting the acceptance of a new world religion, using “tolerance” and “acceptance” as its platform?



    Hardly.

    Isn’t that the ongoing meme we’re witnessing? All while they actually exacerbate the opposite, pitting everyone against each other while preaching otherwise to push their program? Unity under their centralized control. Pretty clever these demonic entities.

    The NWO Religion Gets Birthed By Default

    What is their objective? One world everything. Militarily, their coming imposed digital currency, surveillance subjugation, control and exploitation of the masses, and a “unified” belief system? All under the guise of “no more differences – we are here to save you from all of that” – after having caused it, of course.

    Problem, reaction, solution… on its grandest scale.

    The religious part will be a tough one, as they know how deeply entrenched “believers” are. They have to be won over in a whole other way, or manipulated to kill each other off. Such is the Christian vs. Muslim meme being perpetrated now.

    Very effective, and they’re at it big time and getting away with literal murder with this one.



    It’s Time to Wake Up

    Just another sign of the slumber party being perpetrated on beautiful, living humanity. We, the real people, are awake and aware of this crap and are cocked and ready to release anything and everything we can to dissipate their darkness. We have the tools of empowerment,the love, the right motives and the heart to do exactly what needs to be done at the right time.

    So **** you, controllers. You are virtually sleeping pawns in the very real game of life; so why don’t you wake the hell up and champion your own kind instead of the designs of the destroying matrix? What is your problem? Fear and insecurity? Just wait untill the real forces get through with you.

    You’ll know we were right then. But too late.

    Why not wake up now? Especially anyone under their control. I invite you.

    That’s my message.

    Love, Zen

    - See more at: http://www.zengardner.com/jesuit-pope-steers-flock-into-new-world-religion/#sthash.LuEbGh23.dpuf
    http://www.zengardner.com/jesuit-pope-steers-flock-into-new-world-religion/
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    Thanks dianna for that doozy ...

    No doubt Francis is a quick study and knows what to say and when to say it ...
    After reading this latest i kind of felt something shift under my feet ...


    Pope attacks global economics for worshipping 'god of money'



    Pope Francis made one of his strongest attacks on the global economic system on Sunday, saying it could no longer be based on a "god called money" and urged the unemployed to fight for work... Read more

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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    'Fold up like a house of cards' - wow!

    The same in The Independent:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-8827784.html
    What I found particularly interesting in the above piece was this:

    Quote "My authoritarian and quick manner of making decisions led me to have serious problems and to be accused of being ultraconservative. I lived a time of great interior crisis when I was in Cordova. To be sure, I have never been like Blessed Imelda, but I have never been a right-winger. It was my authoritarian way of making decisions that created problems."
    It could be that this pope was elected on the basis of a misunderstanding: they thought he was an authoritarian ultraconservative, but he was nothing of the sort.

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    As your posted article states ...araucaria ... could be ...

    Francis's (papacy) Is either the greatest Ruse...

    Or the worst thing to happen to the Church's patriarchy since the days of Martin Luther and the Reformation ?

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    a bad gabino ...



    Official: Peru bishop removed amid abuse charges

    Pope Francis has removed a Roman Catholic bishop in Peru who an influential former prelate says is suspected of sexually abusing minors.

    Gabino Miranda, 53, was removed as part of the new pope's "zero tolerance" policy against abuse, the Rev. Luis Bambaren, the retired former Peruvian bishops' conference chief, told reporters on Friday... Read more

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    in search of the truth ...



    Ex-Pope Benedict denies abuse cover-up


    The former Pope, Benedict XVI, has denied any role in covering up child sex abuse by priests, in his first public comments since retirement.The emeritus Pope, as he is now known, addressed the issue in a detailed letter to a prominent atheist, which also covered many other matters... More here

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    will share this here ...

    Red Ice Radio - Joseph Atwill & Ryan Gilmore - Hour 1 -
    Religious Mind Control & Modern Conflicts


    "Joseph Atwill is an independent scholar who has set the world of New Testament scholarship in a new direction. In his book "Caesar's Messiah - The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus," Atwill outlines the series of events in Jesus' ministry that are parallels with the events of the battle campaign of Titus Flavius as recorded by Josephus Flavius in "War of the Jews." Numerous scholars had noticed the parallels between the Gospels and Josephus' work before, but Atwill is the first to notice that all the parallels take place in exact sequence and draw a revolutionary conclusion. Also joining in is Ryan Gilmore who is behind the upcoming event Covert Messiah - Is Christianity the Genesis of Modern Psychological Warfare? We'll discuss how Christianity, the mind control program of the Imperial Cult, has shaped our world to what it is today. The ancient war between Rome and Judea still rages today. Most people do not understand who the players are or that they are targets in this age old story of revenge. In our second hour, we continue to outline the history of the conflict and the nature of the war. We speak about mind control, the sexual revolution and MK Ultra. Joseph and Ryan describe how pacification through religion has led to neo-feudalism. The play pen which we've been given has shaped our minds, our thought process and our concept of history. We end on comparing Shakespeare's work to the Bible. Joseph contends that Shakespeare's work is a "reply" to the bible as they contain the same typology."


    Published on Sep 26, 2013


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    the latest from Alfred Lambremont Webre

    Kevin Annett: Vatican, a criminal organization, is spiritually disestablished


    Published on Sep 26, 2013


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    Giordano Bruno: Rebel Monk Gabriel Roberts

    Quote I recently had the once in a lifetime chance to go to Italy and pay homage to one of my personal heroes. While in Rome I visited the site of the immolation of Giordano Bruno, a man who was once a monk who then followed a new path that resurrected many Gnostic and Hermetic ideas. I made this video to pay homage to his memory in hopes that we will all remember to live our lives with passion, integrity and a willingness to fight for what is true and good in this world.




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    Pope Francis visits namesake's shrine at Assisi



    Pope Francis is in the Umbrian hillside town of Assisi to pray at the shrine of the 13th-Century saint
    whose name he adopted when elected earlier this year... More here

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    perhaps this could be considered some good news for the catholic church ...

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    Via the Schwartz Report

    "It is the nature of fundamentalist religion, of whatever stripe, to be authoritarian, sexually repressive, and patriarchal. But beneath that there is also the lingering stench of sex abuse -- human nature will not be denied, and when healthy sexual expression is not supported its dark side pedophilia emerges. I have done many pieces on the Roman Catholic Church, and several on the Ultra-orthodox Jews. Now comes a report from inside the Evangelical Protestant world about what is going on there." Stephan A. Schwartz



    Evangelical Sex Abuse Record 'Worse' Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham's Grandson Boz Tchividijian

    AUSTIN, Texas (RNS) The Christian mission field is a “magnet” for sexual abusers, Boz Tchividjian, a Liberty University law professor who investigates abuse said Thursday (Sept. 26) to a room of journalists.

    While comparing evangelicals to Catholics on abuse response, ”I think we are worse,” he said at the Religion Newswriters Association conference, saying too many evangelicals had “sacrificed the souls” of young victims... More here

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    Communion wafer on burger upsets Christians




    Quote A Chicago restaurant is now serving a gourmet burger that includes a communion wafer as a garnish.

    The 10 oz. patty topped with slow-braised goat shoulder, aged white cheddar and ghost chile aioli also includes a red wine reduction.

    Called the Ghost, the burger isn't going over well with Christians, for whom communion wafers and wine are part of a sacred ritual.

    "I would like to ask you to show some class...and stop serving communion hosts on your hamburgers," a girl named Laura said on the Kuma's Corner Facebook page.

    Like many of the burgers of the month, though, the restaurant said the special is inspired by musicians — in this case, the Swedish anti-Christian band Ghost.

    "In the spirit of our undying reverence for the Lord and all things holy, we give you the Ghost which we think is a fitting tribute to the supreme blasphemous activities carried out by the band itself," the restaurant says on Facebook.

    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNew.../21172226.html

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    hmm ... interesting item dianna ...

    kinda like 'Having It Their Way' ... i bet those advertizing geniuses at Burger King are licking their chops at that one ... But i truly doubt whether these host were (ever) consecrated by any Catholic priest knowingly ... And i really see nothing sacrilege being served here other than some poor taste ...

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    Quote Posted by giovonni (here)
    hmm ... interesting item dianna ...

    kinda like 'Having It Their Way' ... i bet those advertizing geniuses at Burger King are licking their chops at that one ... But i truly doubt whether these host were (ever) consecrated by any Catholic priest knowingly ... And i really see nothing sacrilege being served here other than some poor taste ...
    LOL, yea Burger King will come out with the "King of Kings" burger ---- I actually laughed when I saw this because it reminded me of my days in catholic school when the alter boys would show up in class and give us wafers that they stole -- they thought it was cool to be so "shocking" lol -- was never sure if it was considered a "menial" or "mortal" on the sin scale ...

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    So if ... "the Church is a woman!" ... What's that really make the Pope ?

    Quote Pope Francis: Women called to service, not servitude




    (Vatican Radio) Pope Francis on Saturday spoke about “the vocation and the mission” of women on Saturday when addressing participants of a study seminar organized by the Women’s Section of the Pontifical Council for the Laity on the 25th anniversary of Blessed Pope John Paul II’s Apostolic Letter Mulieris Dignitatem. The letter was the first in papal teaching dedicated entirely to the theme of the woman, and the study seminar in particular discussed the point which says that God entrusts man, the human being, to woman in a special way.

    “What does this ‘special entrusting’…of the human being to woman signify? It seems evident to me that my predecessor is referring to maternity,” said Pope Francis.

    “Many things can change and have changed in our cultural and social evolution, but the fact remains that it is the woman who conceives, carries in her womb and gives birth to the children of men,” the Pope continued. “And this is not simply a biological matter, but carries a wealth of implications for the woman herself, for her way of being, for her relationships, for the way in which we lend respect to human life and to life in general. Calling a woman to maternity, God entrusted the human being to her in an altogether special manner.”

    The Pope warned that there are two dangers always present when speaking about this topic, calling them “two extreme opposites that destroy woman and her vocation.”

    “The first is to reduce maternity to a social role, to a task, albeit noble, but which in fact sets the woman aside with her potential and does not value her fully in the building of community. This is both in the civil sphere and in the ecclesial sphere,” explained the Holy Father. “And, in reaction to this, there is the other danger in the opposite direction, that of promoting a type of emancipation which, in order to occupy spaces taken away from the masculine, abandons the feminine with the precious traits that characterize it.”

    Pope Francis also spoke about the special gifts given to women in the Church.

    “ I would like to underline how the woman has a particular sensitivity for the ‘things of God’, above all in helping us to understand the mercy, tenderness and love that God has for us,” he said. “ And it pleases me to think that the Church is not ‘il Chiesa’ [‘the Church’, masculine]: it is ‘la Chiesa’ [feminine]. The Church is a woman! The Church is a mother! And that’s beautiful, eh? We have to think deeply about this.”

    The Pope said the document Mulieris Dignitatem arises in this context and offers a profound, organic reflection, with a solid anthropological base, enlightened by Revelation.

    “From here, we must restart that work of deepening and of promoting, for which I have already hoped many times. Even in the Church, it is important to ask oneself: what presence does the woman have?” he said.

    “I suffer – speaking truthfully! – when I see in the Church or in some ecclesial organizations that the role of service that we all have, and that we must have - but that the role of service of the woman slips into a role of “servidumbre” [Spanish: servitude]. . . But when I see women that do things out of “servitude” and not out of service,” said Pope Francis. “And that it is not understood well what a woman ought to do. Can she be valued more? It is a reality that is close to my heart and for this I wanted to meet … and bless you and your commitment. Thank you, let us move this forward together! May most holy Mary – a great woman, eh? – the Mother of Jesus and of all God’s children, accompany us. Thank you!”
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    http://boingboing.net/2013/10/11/vat...-wrong-on.html


    Vatican medal has Jesus spelled incorrectly?

    Independent Newspaper
    "It seems the devil is indeed in the details."
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    princes of piety and luxury ...



    Germany's 'luxury bishop' makes plea to Pope Francis

    A German bishop has flown - reportedly with a budget airline - to the Vatican in Rome to discuss his lavish spending... Here

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    It's officially ... Cardinal Pietro Parolin the (new) Cardinal Secretary of State (also known as the Vatican Prime MinisterM) has taken the helm ...

    Pietro Parolin, Vatican's New No. 2 Misses Ceremony Replacing Tarcisio Bertone Who Leaves Marred Legacy... Read here


    Related ~ reported earlier from Aug/Sept 2013 Vatican news ...

    Departing papal prime minister lashes out at Vatican 'crows and vipers' Read more

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