Does anyone have any details of an altered 'Napoleon timeline'?

[ulli]

Delight's post made me think, and also realize several things, mainly about the importance of maintaining a naive and confident state if we want to connect to the unseen worlds. Although I see her point, as I've had many experiences in my own life which made me become more skeptical and lose my naïveté.

Naivete is often annoying to others, and brings out all kinds of suspicions about the person, especially as we are mostly Westerners here, and highly rational. but Avalonians are people who are also curious about the stuff hidden behind the veil...
and researching, based on hunches, fleeting experiences, hearsay that might confirm vaguely our experiences...
We are all pretty much groping in the dark here.

And still we all share this particular western type of programming and most have been highly trained in the art of discernment.
We operate mainly from our minds, which collect information, analyze such information, then judge it in terms of consensus expectations, and finally discard whatever does not fit such expectations. The factor that the information at hand could be deliberately misleading is of course the main reason for this...
ruthless commerce has driven us to such a state of suspicion.
As we have all become aware that everything that is offered to us comes on a silver platter. Such the nature of western presentation, advertising, merchandizing....the game of deception.

All this is quite different from the tall stories children tell who still may have some connection to other dimensions since their programming is not complete. Jim himself has declared that he needs such a state in order to operate at an optimum level to manifest his reality. And this is where I agree with him. We can't do it from our left-brained discerning minds. We need that other perspective of the right-brained irrationality as well. The real art here is in finding the mid-point....science and spirituality blended.

To defend Jim a little..since I feel that he is connected somehow to those dimensions like a child that never grew up, never had that innocent naïveté beaten out of him...he somehow reminds me of Michael Jackson who I consider was unfairly treated, who had incredible gifts and ended up adored by one group of people while misunderstood and even feared by another group.

[Debra]

Well written Ulli.

I have been -on the main - a quiet reader these last few months. I don't fare too well in the cut and thrust of conversation on here - and it has something to do with knowing that my interests and curiosities don't fit into the mainstream of the forum - indeed because I will open a post with sources (like Horak) who have piqued my interest in something and, who some on here have no faith in whatsoever. And yes, the language used to challenge a member's post and ideas can sometimes translate as quite harsh and derisory.

I may follow some contentious leads but I am open to what is out there in all of its manifestations - some people on Avalon resonate with these, some don't.

But, it is the explorer in myself I wish to encourage so, on that note, I send you, Jim, my heart felt best wishes to go where your intuition suggests. You are the one resonating with this information and that is enough. Follow it through for yourself.

If it was me, I would seek out James Horak personally because he is the only one I have heard this claim from. If you are on Facebook, look him up

Salut to all

Debra

[Delight]

Posted by ulli (here)
Delight's post made me think, and also realize several things, mainly about the importance of maintaining a naive and confident state if we want to connect to the unseen worlds. Although I see her point, as I've had many experiences in my own life which made me become more skeptical and lose my naïveté.

Naivete is often annoying to others, and brings out all kinds of suspicions about the person, especially as we are mostly Westerners here, and highly rational. but Avalonians are people who are also curious about the stuff hidden behind the veil...
and researching, based on hunches, fleeting experiences, hearsay that might confirm vaguely our experiences...
We are all pretty much groping in the dark here.

And still we all share this particular western type of programming and most have been highly trained in the art of discernment.
We operate mainly from our minds, which collect information, analyze such information, then judge it in terms of consensus expectations, and finally discard whatever does not fit such expectations. The factor that the information at hand could be deliberately misleading is of course the main reason for this...
ruthless commerce has driven us to such a state of suspicion.
As we have all become aware that everything that is offered to us comes on a silver platter. Such the nature of western presentation, advertising, merchandizing....the game of deception.

All this is quite different from the tall stories children tell who still may have some connection to other dimensions since their programming is not complete. Jim himself has declared that he needs such a state in order to operate at an optimum level to manifest his reality. And this is where I agree with him. We can't do it from our left-brained discerning minds. We need that other perspective of the right-brained irrationality as well. The real art here is in finding the mid-point....science and spirituality blended.

To defend Jim a little..since I feel that he is connected somehow to those dimensions like a child that never grew up, never had that innocent naïveté beaten out of him...he somehow reminds me of Michael Jackson who I consider was unfairly treated, who had incredible gifts and ended up adored by one group of people while misunderstood and even feared by another group.

I believe that I am capable of traveling to the past of a timeline, shift into a different dimension or parallel universe, change time lines, change my body at will, morph to any shape I choose, manifest reality as a separate relaity bubble in the collective. i believe that I am every magical bit of Creation capable of expressing any aspect NOW. That makes me naive along with the fact that I prefer imagination over reality. You can listen amd take it and or leave it. I am naive and I make no claims.

BUT

IF I placed threads and claimed that a shaman took me aside and said "Maggie, you are a special 12th dimension being come to 3D to change the future" and I then imagined that while I was driving down the road, the trees all bowed to me and every bird sang to me about my mission, THEN asked YOU to follow me and gave a few lines from Sufi wisdom and some practices and told you to do these. Then said "Please join me in doing blah blah"< I am asking to lead you in speculative ficttion.

You have never seen me do any one of these things I believe in. You never asked me to show why you should follow me. Then I ask your advice about getting a boyfriend. I ask what job I should take and what town I should live in. Then i expect YOU to overlook my basic lack of skills demonstrated at my advanced age of 58.
But you believe me?
I am naive and you are a fool.

[ponda]

Posted by jiminii (here)
on another post someone said Napoleon timeline is changed and now he won the war. this would mean the rothchilds would not have gotten rich ... any details on this ... anyone know more ... It resonates with me

jim

Hi jim,

It might of been the other way round.

As we can now see with the benefit of hindsight,the battle of Waterloo might of been a pivotal or important event from the past that would have big ramifications for the shaping of the future/present.

The financial matrix as we now know it has been strongly influenced by the rothchild's having been able to benefit from having the knowledge of who won at Waterloo before anyone else.

Here's a quote that is purported to come from Napoleon:

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." — Napoleon Bonaparte

http://www.mindcontagion.org/banking/hb1815.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

pretty heavy for one called DeLight...

The research Horak was passed from his mentor on the sun's maintenance crew is pretty amazing, but I've never read more than a sentence from James on all his other subjects before fading out and finding a new subject worth exploring.

I still read Fulford with humor, it's like every Christmas waiting for the big guy in red to appear...

love to see it happen, but not holding my breath...

[mosquito]

Posted by blufire (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey folks,

Honestly, there are so many holes in this story...Just take five minutes and think about it.

Google "Rothschild". Nothing has changed. Rothschilds are still super-rich.

If you somehow believe that Google is involved in this ludicrous conspiracy, just go and get a history book. If someone had changed the past, it would also change everything else after, including books.

This is one of the reasons I'm not frequently posting here anymore... You know, it doesn't hurt to use a bit of reason before posting.

You could even argue that if someone change the past, we wouldn't even notice it. Despite this being theoretically a valid discussion, it's still a very debatable subject and doesn't collaborate to give this story any more substance.

Raf.

. . . Amen . . Especially to your paragraph 4

Nice to see that there are two members capable of intelligent thought left on this forum

[grannyfranny100]

We speak of right brain, left brain and the popular theory is
• left brain: rational, logical, analytical, detail oriented
• right brain: creative, intuitive, subjective, open minded (naive as used in other posts?)

Recent brain imaging research at the University of Utah indicate that this theory is at best a short hand for brain functions not limited to specific hemispheres of the brain.

This thread reminds me of graduate school arguments that go on and on about qualitative (right brain) and quantitative (left brain) research methodology. We could add up and down as another set of dimensions. Down being the hidden unconscious/subconscious and up being the controlling ego/super ego.

I just remember being in a new style physics high school class after sputnik went up (everyone with half a brain in my school was suddenly expected to become a space scientist). We had to do water tank experiments to determine if light was a particle or wave. I could care less and dumped a dime store goldfish in my tank to avoid the whole damn thing.

My best buddy, the class genius, was accept at Harvard with sophomore standing as a physics major. We laughed and giggled a lot as we tripped out on each other's minds. We all process information differently and jimi might be better off expressing himself with a goldfish in the tank.

[Bill Ryan]

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Jim, I just posted this on the thread about James Horak's interview:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post735253

HOAX. The chip-in-Napoleon's-head story comes from Weekly World News.

http://weeklyworldnews.com/aliens/15...apoleons-skull

[Soulboy]

The most interesting thing that's come out of this thread is the old drawing of the Sphinx in which it looks a lot more Nubian (i.e. black) than it does today or looks on most depictions I've seen so far.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Jim, I just posted this on the thread about James Horak's interview:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post735253

HOAX. The chip-in-Napoleon's-head story comes from Weekly World News.

http://weeklyworldnews.com/aliens/15...apoleons-skull

Hey Bill,

Thanks for pointing out that hoax...It was kinda obvious anyway, right?

What really bothers me is that some guy appears on an "alternative" show and says that there was a microchip in Napoleon's skull, and that someone from the future implanted it and messed up with our timelines and stuff like that, without showing any evidence, by the way...And suddenly people are buying it!

You know...This is really a problem, my friend. The "alternative" scene has gone to a beyond ridiculous place...It's just one crazy story after the other, and they are always proven wrong time after time, over and over and over again...But people still believe it.

For how long forums like this one will continue to be part of this cycle? I mean, if you analyze the mechanics of this forum, it's just about posting something very illogical or a prediction>proving it doesn't make any sense, or that it's a hoax, or the prediction is never fulfilled>posting something very illogical or a prediction>proving it doesn't make any sense, or that it's a hoax, or the prediction is never fulfilled> and so on...Over and over again, for all eternity....

This whole thing doesn't make sense at all...When will people realize that things don't work like that? Being open minded doesn't mean you have to waste your time pondering about all the most nonsensical claims out there...

I think this forum is a great place to ask for advice and to share personal experiences, but it simply doesn't work as a source of information...When was the last time any of these theories and characters discussed here were right, after all? To make things worse, people are always bringing back old subjects that have already being solidly refuted a hundred times before...

You know, my friend, there must be a way to make this place more efficient, to fix this engine...I don't know how, but there must be.

Sorry for the rant, anyway...I just think this whole thing is very wearing.

Cheers,

Raf.

[The Royal Wizard]

I just wonder......without taking stand to the claim about Napoleon, if the timeline has changed, how would we know? We can't just remember back compare it with the now and say all is well due to our own memory? If someone traveled back and changed the timeline, our "new" past will be changed and then be our reality in the now. So maybe the timeline is changed, and thats the reason why things are as they are at the present, and we wouldn't know the "other" timeline at all. Everything will change including our history books and of course google. In many movie that deals with timelines and time travel the travelers needs to leave a marker to "remember". The movie "Sound of Thunder" is pretty specific about this. It it therefore possible, but not necessarily true, that someone travelled back a few weeks ago, changed the outcome of Napoleon, and planted the chip as a marker. The reality may have changed to the one we know today, and we wouldn't even know it, except for a curious feeling that something wasn't just as it should be. And many of us have that feeling, don't we?

I see that my language here is not the best, hope you understand what I mean.

all the best

TRW

[ulli]

@ Raf. Discovering that you don't have the power to change an entire forum,
let alone a planet, might be why you are here. Maybe you are getting close....
Watch out that you don't let that skeptic inside of you become so crystallized
that you will have regrets about your own conduct in life when it ends.

Is there any aspect in human society that is not the result of urban myths?
Or the search for 'reality' with the use of telescopes....
after hundreds of years of endless improvements have we found "Reality"?

Now, here is my rant, against those who think they are more 'realistic' than others:

So what do we really know about those stellar objects at their most detailed levels?
And their relevance to life on earth?

Astronomers are becoming so engrossed in those tiny dots that they can never contemplate the idea of studying other sciences, or at least correlations of their discoveries with other events,
for example that those dots when forming mathematically precise angles might be connected to events down here.
Instead they condemn what they don't know about, and make themselves feel good and superior by calling astrology pseudo-science?

Equally the imagery or pictures that come to us in dreams and visions are all to be dismissed,
just because they are not being presented in the right scientific manner?

I try to keep an open mind to both ends. I become uncomfortable with all extremes...
except I'm not yet sure where that line is to be found, where something becomes an 'extreme'.
This is why I consider it important to watch our own excessive certainties, hostilities, antipathies...

So what is the worst Jim can do to us?
For people who are interested in consciousness and the effect of consciousness on the environment Jim is a goldmine...
And he is not even charging for the gold he is offering.

[ulli]

One more thing....maybe a suggestion for homework. As a person gets closer to their true reality,
they will read a thread like this, and if they deeply care about Napoleon he will suddenly pop up all over the place...
A book, or magazine, or they enter a house where someone has a picture on the wall of Napoleon Bonaparte...
And with enough synchronicities of this kind they might just discover that they have entered another world, one that is more real than the world of the skeptics out there.

[araucaria]

Rewriting history is known pejoratively as revisionism. Denying that the death camps ever existed can get you into trouble. Why? Chiefly, I feel, because of the unfinished business of so many people. Our conversation at lunch just now was about a student who walked out of a lecture when the prof denied the Armenian genocide; she herself was Armenian and had lost her whole family.

On a personal level, a catastrophe suffered early in life may be gradually attenuated to the point where its reality is almost in doubt as the grieving process reaches complete closure. The loss happened and nothing else happened to take its place, but it is no longer relevant to the here and now. No rewriting of history is necessary.

Transposing this personal insight to the collective, it may be that one day the contents of our history books – mostly to do with kings and colonization, as we were also saying just now – can be entirely jettisoned. There comes a time when the duty of remembrance, whether it be killers or loved ones, gives way to healthy neglect. We will be able to forget the Napoleonic Rothschilds once the 21st century Rothschilds are rendered harmless. It could be that this is what is being done right now.

[RMorgan]

Hey Ulli,

Well, I think labeling myself as a skeptic is quite fair, but please let's not confuse a skeptic with a cynic.

The general definition of skeptic is:

-A person who questions the validity, authenticity, or truth of something purporting to be factual.
-One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions.

I'm a guy who question things, which doesn't mean I'm close minded or unable to examine all sort of subjects.

So maybe the cynic's world is indeed too small, but the skeptic's world is as big as it can be, specially considering that being a skeptic is much more demanding than simply believing without questioning.

Being skeptic makes one look for answers. It motivates one to learn, to study, to live a life of knowledge.

Now, being open minded is one thing; Believing that Jim can manipulate hurricanes and have multiple other bodies in this planet, some living in submarine bases, by the way, without ever seeing one single piece of evidence, or believing that someone from the future went back in time and microchiped Napoleon's skull, or believing in all outlandish claims that are posted here daily is, in my opinion, plain and simple gullibility and the absolute inability to use critical thinking.

Cheers,

Raf.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by ulli (here)
One more thing....maybe a suggestion for homework. As a person gets closer to their true reality,
they will read a thread like this, and if they deeply care about Napoleon he will suddenly pop up all over the place...
A book, or magazine, or they enter a house where someone has a picture on the wall of Napoleon Bonaparte...
And with enough synchronicities of this kind they might just discover that they have entered another world, one that is more real than the world of the skeptics out there.

Yes! This is how it happens with me. One of the recent examples was an ah-ha moment when I was younger and asked for further “yup(s)”. Over the course of three days, I got four confirmations.

• Day one, a praying mantis peeks through my screen door. (see desktop pic, I made of it as a reminder)
• Day two, one fluttered around me and landed on a shopping cart, which was out of her element.
• Then on day three, you provided a link to your son’s art. (see pic below)
• The same day, the exact moment I was thinking about the mantis that flew into my life, a talk show guest brought up the praying mantis.

It works that way for me because I know it does, and so does the Universe.

[ulli]

Posted by Paula (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
One more thing....maybe a suggestion for homework. As a person gets closer to their true reality,
they will read a thread like this, and if they deeply care about Napoleon he will suddenly pop up all over the place...
A book, or magazine, or they enter a house where someone has a picture on the wall of Napoleon Bonaparte...
And with enough synchronicities of this kind they might just discover that they have entered another world, one that is more real than the world of the skeptics out there.

Yes! This is how it happens with me. One of the recent examples was an ah-ha moment when I was younger and asked for further “yup(s)”. Over the course of three days, I got four confirmations.

• Day one, a praying mantis peeks through my screen door. (see desktop I made of it)
• Day two, one fluttered around me and landed on a shopping cart, which was out of her element.
• Then on day three, you provided a link to your son’s art. (see pic below)
• The same day, the exact moment I was thinking about the mantis that flew into my life, a talk show guest brought up the praying mantis.

It works that way for me because I know it does, and so does the Universe.

Thank you Paula.
What amazes me is that people can be experiencing the most unlikely sequences of coincidences,
well beyond the realm of probabilities, and still not allow themselves to acknowledge them, or allow themselves to be just a little bit amazed.

Because it is exactly the very state of amazement or wonderment
which is then the ticket needed to remain in that reality.

It is the emotional requirement. But it is also this investment that people are afraid of making,
and this fear then blocks them from entering deeper into the unknown territory
where war and suffering and ignorance and scarcity are no longer a part of reality.

Attachment to negativity is their reality, and not only do they wish to remain there
but also wish for others to join them there, and so they seem to wait for opportunities
to lash out at those who believe in hope of bringing them back to the lower levels.

Those who know of nothing else can be forgiven, but those who have glimpsed higher states of consciousness
yet insist of remaining in darkness and ignorance afterwards...they can keep it, and stay there.

[Cristian]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
You know, my friend, there must be a way to make this place more efficient, to fix this engine...I don't know how, but there must be.

Hey Raf,

I always thought you would make a very good mod. Maybe debunking and guiding is what you are blessed/cursed to do. There are lots of gifted and talented users that lack a foundation in logic and science. This is your thing ! So stop whining and get to work !

[donk]

Man, we're all over the place here now--this thread is as convoluted as the ones I start (that's an Avalon rule of thumb btw--my threads--and a majority of my posts--are for entertainment purposes only and contain nothing of intellectual value, so should be dismissed outright and never believed)...anyway I came here to discuss how we will stop the time travelers from making us not exist (as of two weeks ago), after all--even if Napoleon's chip was stopped from wrecking the sphinxface,'it still doesn't explain how i can remember listening to that interview...



Seriously: "creating your own reality" is one thing, convincing others to share an "alternative" reality is another, but for the life of me I can't wrap my brain around the purpose of someone matter-of-factly authoratively sharing a reality that on "x" date you and everything you know will no longer exist...the only possible outcome is "best" case you completely discredit yourself and everything you've ever done--"worst" case is you're right...but no one will ever know cuz we never existed...bizarre, did anyone actually LISTEN to what he said?

Besides him actually believing it (or seeing how many people he can convince), can you think of purpose for him saying it??

I'll tell you my purpose of pointing Jim in the right direction for the info was cuz i was curious as hell as to what he intended to do with it (not that I can understand most of what he says...but I do try, sometimes), and also the views of other people who still believe in Horak.

There seems to be a ton of people around that believe he (Jim/Horak),or someone can actually do stuff about it or with it even...so I find value in getting that perspective, as it is whole other universe to me--and I believe in most everything (and nothing, really).

There's discerning information and picking out the things where "they don't have it right" or "they are fudging pics/stories" and then there's trying to discern information from a dude just laying out that on 9/9 when the time terrorists win we will have never existed...I'm reminded of the discussion in Pulp Fiction on foot massages, "it ain't the same f***in ball park, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same f***ing sport...

I like listening to the guy, but ever since that interview he's more of a character to me in a fun story than a person I can relate my experience to or find useful information...which is why I made a point to bring it up when a thread started on his view of the geo-political/economic situation...

[RunningDeer]

Posted by ulli (here)
Those who know of nothing else can be forgiven, but those who have glimpsed higher states of consciousness yet insist of remaining in darkness and ignorance afterwards...they can keep it, and stay there.

Yeah, what’s that about? Fear of failure, fear of the unknown, laziness, overwhelmed with what if I can’t keep up this intensity?, overwhelmed.. period, power of the lesser kind is good enough, misery loves company... Stay in comfort of what’s known. Screw the gold ring. “I got a whole lotta ‘these here other shiny things’. Not enough energy to move with the Greater. Not enough energy to move. Period.

One way to sum it up is: unwillingness to unlearn.

Bright side: they make good mirrors for those peeking through the nonsense. I’m almost ready to thank them, cuz they serves duality, so we can bust out of it.

In the end, we’ll all meet up at the Universe’s Pizza Party. Still waiting for my invitation. Guess, I got more to do.