Does anyone have any details of an altered 'Napoleon timeline'?

[Sebastion]

Ulli said:
So what is the worst Jim can do to us?
For people who are interested in consciousness and the effect of consciousness on the environment Jim is a goldmine...
And he is not even charging for the gold he is offering.


Jiminii says he had control of a hurricane going up the east coast of the USA...

He says no one was killed in that hurricane....yet he never mentioned the hundreds, if not thousands of people who were injured in that storm, doesn't mention how many went to trauma centers, emergency rooms or were hospitalized as a result of "his" controlled hurricane.

Jiminii never mentioned how many animals and other lifeforms that were killed as a result of "his" controlled hurricane...

Jiminii's controlled hurricane ripped people's lives apart, destroyed homes, private businesses, destroyed things that took a person's entire life to build, all gone in a manner of minutes.

Jiminii said he could have sent that hurricane out to sea, but shucks, he never thought about it, gee whiz!

He has never once shown any empathy towards the people who's lives he wrecked while he controlled (supposedly) that hurricane. And that's just one example of the "gold" Jiminii has to offer.

[ulli]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Ulli said:
So what is the worst Jim can do to us?
For people who are interested in consciousness and the effect of consciousness on the environment Jim is a goldmine...
And he is not even charging for the gold he is offering.


Jiminii says he had control of a hurricane going up the east coast of the USA...

He says no one was killed in that hurricane....yet he never mentioned the hundreds, if not thousands of people who were injured in that storm, doesn't mention how many went to trauma centers, emergency rooms or were hospitalized as a result of "his" controlled hurricane.

Jiminii never mentioned how many animals and other lifeforms that were killed as a result of "his" controlled hurricane...

Jiminii's controlled hurricane ripped people's lives apart, destroyed homes, private businesses, destroyed things that took a person's entire life to build, all gone in a manner of minutes.

Jiminii said he could have sent that hurricane out to sea, but shucks, he never thought about it, gee whiz!

He has never once shown any empathy towards the people who's lives he wrecked while he controlled (supposedly) that hurricane. And that's just one example of the "gold" Jiminii has to offer.

So you bought into what Jim said, lock, stock and barrel?
So you judge him for his lack of humility?
I don't believe for one moment that he was responsible (by himself) for that hurricane...
although some people have greater powers than others,
no one can do something that size all by themselves.
So he maybe a tad delusional, so what? Not my problem.
My problem is being trapped here in this body, on this planet, and finding a way out.
As Gurdjieff said...even if one had to ride on the devil's back.

Is it my job to point out all of the errors in his thinking, or your thinking, for that matter?
No way, just as I wouldn't take it upon myself to make the demand
that he ought to apologize for every bit of damage he might have inadvertently done.
Each must do their own soul searching.

Nor would it occur to me to condemn those who have a problem with him,
except I might point out to them that those issues they have could throw some light
on the relationship they have with themselves. Which is ultimately the only relationship that ought to matter.

Trying to criticize Jim is like throwing water on a duck's back.


Sure, there was a time in my life when I would become furious
if others did something that I felt was wrong. So what could I do about it? Zero!
My annoyance was futile, every time.
It would have damaged my liver, long before it changed anything in them.
I was I and they were they.

Just as it might infuriate you to receive an answer
which shows I'm not as morally outraged as you are, or as I ought to be, in your eyes?
What are you going to do about that?

My position is one of detachment as I have learnt one thing above all others...
I can't speak on behalf of others as I don't have their full back story, nor can I judge them,
but I can help them to become more aware of their own blinkers,
and they would never listen if I did it in a judgmental way.

[Delight]

Posted by Paula (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Those who know of nothing else can be forgiven, but those who have glimpsed higher states of consciousness yet insist of remaining in darkness and ignorance afterwards...they can keep it, and stay there.

Yeah, what’s that about? Fear of failure, fear of the unknown, laziness, overwhelmed with what if I can’t keep up this intensity?, overwhelmed.. period, power of the lesser kind is good enough, misery loves company... Stay in comfort of what’s known. Screw the gold ring. “I got a whole lotta ‘these here other shiny things’. Not enough energy to move with the Greater. Not enough energy to move. Period.

One way to sum it up is: unwillingness to unlearn.

Bright side: they make good mirrors for those peeking through the nonsense. I’m almost ready to thank them, cuz they serves duality, so we can bust out of it.

In the end, we’ll all meet up at the Universe’s Pizza Party. Still waiting for my invitation. Guess, I got more to do.

I really liked your synchrnicities of the Praying Mantis.

Is it possible that we are already in the Universal Pizza party. There are myriads of toppings. But pizzas all are pies by definition.

I think this is so pertinent because we can't stop thinking we need a special invitation to the event. And we worry how to get a slice of the pie. Do we desrve one?

Submerged doubt in our own ability and the alligning out with Biased sources is my issue for me. I want to state the case for myself so the Universe knows what is asked to receive.

Do you know your own desires?
Is it frightening to have inner inklings that no one has verified as being a "true one"?

Can you let yourself relax and smell the baking and if it smells good to you? Is the parlour clean enough for you? All your friends are here. Can you leave the place anyway if the vibes are not on for you? Can you state how you really feel about everything presented.

These are the tools of a skeptic. Feeling it out is not linear logic. it is whole brain.

Bak to the pies.
What preference of toppings on a pizza today do you choose? Will you request these toppings?
Will you eat anchovies that you hate because you are "less than competent to judge" compared to your neighbor who knows more than you?
Will you pretend to like anchovies so you will curry favor and be appreciated by the wiser person?

How soon to you dig in and eat?
will you look carefully at the round pie, the deep dish square one, the skinny crust, the square high rise one and ask what ingredients are in the doughs before tasting?
Will you be afraid that it has GMO but think you will starve without THIS slice so eat it with a stomach ache?

I have no problem with anyone's choices and I thoroughly disagree with asking you to make do with what I would choose. That is domination and control.

We ideally make our choices consciously and enjoy our own experience or send back the pizza and get a different one and CHANGE. I believe in this right for all of us!

[Sebastion]

Ulli said:
So he maybe a tad delusional...

By golly, we have a bingo Ulli!! You and I are actually in agreement here!! I am gonna mark this day on my calender!

Sorry for the digression, back to the topic at hand....

[ulli]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Ulli said:
So he maybe a tad delusional...

By golly, we have a bingo Ulli!! You and I are actually in agreement here!! I am gonna mark this day on my calender!

Sorry for the digression, back to the topic at hand....

I like agreement, pity I'm not into Bingo.

[RunningDeer]

There are levels of experiencing when I listen to James Horak. I get more out of what he offers than not, and look forward to his conversations.

Once in a while, his expanded perspectives clarify personal experience and gut knowing. A phrase that may have nothing to do with what he’s discussing triggers an “ah-ha”. Maybe it’s because his ideas are so out there that it stretches me to where there’s recall or understanding. Like always, it’s goes through the synchrony test. Information finds its way to me.

I research a lot. New information is busting out all over the place, and so are the clever wordsmiths. There’s a voice that says you don’t need to know all this crap. It’s a trick. A waste of valuable time and energy.

I respect the skeptics like Raf.

And often I feel the same way. Too, they remind me to ground. Really, there’s a bigger skeptic inside me than not. And a maturing part of me that says I want more of the natural abilities. Like most of my discoveries, I know those are real, but I don’t know how to fine tune them, as yet. That’s where my frustration runs. I get physical sensations, small manifestations, oodles of synchronicities, but no concrete evidence to offer Avalonians.

Life is change. Good thing, cuz it’s way past the sell-by-date.

[skippy]

On the Tarot card representing the Fool, you see someone apparently just about to step into the abyss. This would be disastrous for anyone else, but not for the Fool. For the Fool, all magnificent journeys begin with a leap into the unknown. BTW, don’t be fooled by his name – The Fool is an enlightened being, understanding the inner working of the entire cosmos. The Fool moves forward in absolute trust, knowing that everything will work out for his highest good.

The Fool represents openness 360°, infinite potential. The number is 0, no ending, zero programmation. Absolute beingness in the present. Riding.., being, the wave. No fear; Ready to affront and discover the secrets of the infinite universe. Expecting everything and anything..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EDtK7xUIDxk

[ulli]

Just to get back on the topic of Napoleon's timeline changing...
I feel they would have been more successful
had they found the chip not in his skull, but in his shoulder.

(Oops, groan..)

[Delight]

OK, so now I get it. I want to be the Fool on my Hill and like Napolean, I desire to knock all the rival chippies off the mountain and be Emporer in my own domain. It's that simple. I guess I have a chip.

[skippy]

Posted by Delight (here)
OK, so now I get it. I want to be the Fool on my Hill and like Napolean, I desire to knock all the rival chippies off the mountain and be Emporer in my own domain. It's that simple. I guess I have a chip.

Exactly, jumping into the abyss.. to discover that it's a feathered bed. Careful with the 1st jump..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oXv3SSijPFc

[Christine]

Thank you all - what a beautiful thread. I mean that sincerely!

In some way which I don't quite understand this image seemed appropriate to the topic....

[Tangri]

Posted by jiminii (here)
on another post someone said Napoleon timeline is changed and now he won the war. this would mean the rothchilds would not have gotten rich ... any details on this ... anyone know more ... It resonates with me

jim

IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration on time , creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals(senders) never get their predetermined goals. What they accomplished; adding another posible reality to the soup. This helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Tangri (here)

IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

[Tangri]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Tangri (here)

IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

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[Bob]

Forgive me please, Bill and Tangri -

[Bob]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

I personally would think the ethical way would be the traveler would have to have their memory wiped. If they are as soul/spirit true to cause, I would think they would make the right decisions as "enlightened newbies", and muddle through or proceed "full speed ahead". I personally think the more humble approach is the better way if the "future" needs a new quantum actualization.

[Bill Ryan]

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I copied this from a post I wrote on the "How do I get to Ecuador" thread.

Yes, Jim is a good guy. He's just not very good at expressing himself in writing!

You have to get BEHIND his words to figure out what he's really saying and where he is coming from.

This is not always easy -- but is more often worth it than one might at first imagine.

For logical, left-brained people, his posts can be very frustrating. For intuitive, right-brained people, he can often be a source of inspiration, because they 'get' him.

I should also add (for Raf/RMorgan and others!) that I've quite a few times urged Jim in public and in private to PLEASE not be so gullible as to believe everything that he reads on the net.

We ALL have to use our critical filters before dragging false information into the forum. (Jim is by far from the only person who has done this, and no-one is ill-intended. Discrimination is to be learned through feedback.)

And if one has few critical filters, then they need to be developed.

But to stick to one's own personal experience is fine. Many other Avalon members have reported experiences that are not believable by ordinary standards (and some experiences are hard to believe by any ANY standards. That does not mean they are not true.

Spiders, Raf? You see what I mean?

I even have some experiences myself which I've NOT shared publicly, because I still [feel I] dare not.

(And anyone who knows me will realize that's saying quite something. However, I feel strongly the experiences and perceptions are authentic.)

The fact that Jim lets it all hang out is a testimony to his courage -- courage that many people do not share. If everyone in the world had his willingness to state their truth -- whatever it was -- we would NOT have the problems we have today. Think about it.

[Delight]

Jim seems just about like all of us to me, sometimes one way, sometimes another....
When the forum is bringing something to me I realize that my reactions are my own.
I want to use a couple of quotes to articulate a concern as a red flag with his claims and requests.
Moving from sharing experience to inviting others in a venture calls for deep scrutiny.. Being asked to join as part of PA, I have questions of basic ethics being represented.

“Magic is quite often mistaken for sorcery. At this point I shall briefly explain the difference between magic and sorcery. A true magician relies completely upon the universal laws; he knows their cause and effect and he works consciously with these powers, whereas the sorcerer avails himself of powers the origin of which he knows not at all, although he does know that this or that will occur when he sets this or that power into motion. But he has no idea as to any other context of these matters, because he lacks the knowledge of the universal laws. Even though he may have partial knowledge of one law or another, he does not know the analogous context of the universal laws, their effects, how they develop and how and where they prevail, because a sorcerer does not possess the necessary maturity.

In contrast, a true magician, one who does not want to descend to the level of a sorcerer, would never embark upon any endeavor until he thoroughly understands what he is doing. Even a sorcerer can make use of the secret sciences and do one thing or another with good or evil intentions. In this case, it is irrelevant whether he employs positive or negative powers, for it does not entitle him to consider himself a magician.

By way of contrast once again, a charlatan is a person who is trying to deceive other people, and therefore he cannot be considered either a magician or a sorcerer. In common parlance such a person would simply be called a fraud or a con man. Charlatans like to boast of their high magical knowledge, which of course they do not possess, and they like to veil themselves in mystery, but only to conceal their ignorance.

These are the people who are responsible for true magical knowledge being so distorted and disgraced. A true magician does not identify himself through mysterious behavior or external splendor; on the contrary, he is modest and he endeavors at all times to help humankind and to explain magical knowledge to mature human beings. In order not to disgrace this holy knowledge, it should be understandable that the magician will not entrust any of the Mysteries to an immature person. A true magician will never display his true magical knowledge by any external demeanor. A true magician cannot be distinguished from an average citizen, because he adapts to every person, to every occasion and to every situation. His magical authority is internal, and therefore it is not necessary for him to shine externally.”

Franz Bardon, intro to The Practice of Magical Evocation

"Sorcery has been called Magic; but Magic is Wisdom, and there is no Wisdom in sorcery." (Paracelsus)

[skippy]

The next card in the Tarot is also interesting, while it represents the guy who is trying to fool you on the market place. The universe is full of trickery and the card number 1 is an invitation to be alert, to trust your own judgement, and to see through. In the Tarot de Marseille, the original French version of the Tarot, the following definition is given to the card named: "Le Bateleur": One who does conjuring tricks. The Bateleur is very skilful, very sharp-witted. People who join the theatre in public places, like charlatans, cord dancers, jokers, are also called that way.



"Sapere Aude". Dare to be Wise (.. don't be fooled)

[jiminii]

The reason I got on this napoleon thing was not just about napoleon but all these other strange things appearing that the person mentioned. He was saying that it appeared to be earlier timelines altered, (at least that is what I thought he said), and is causing all these strange things to appear like an alive supposedly 150 year extinct bird of some kind.

So my intention was to try to put all these anomalies together because I am aware that we are not just changing this time line of this period we are in now but other times lines earlier from this time.

For example. LRH is born in 1913 and I am born in 1945. I already got that my 1945 birth would place me in the time period where his organization would have been under attack from sleeper reptilian controlled children, where I would have to come in at try to fix that.

Then Find we could only keep it going as far as we could while Captain Bill was setting up Ron's Org and the Free Zone people to release the upper levels while the Cabal was busy taking over the Church of Scientology.

So I was placed right after LRH from the future, which they would have enough time between 1913 and 1945 to develop the Tech in the future to create a being right out of the static with no automatic picture recording memories that can be implanted and controlled by mind control equipment.

So I was just interested in what is being rippled up from the past these anomalies mentioned to see some kind of pattern.

that is all I was looking at.

jim