Imploding forum and the next 25+ years of Darkness

[blufire]

To wit: blufire, your sense of rage and outrage is almost certainly not primarily at Jim. I ask you if it's been there all the time, not fully processed.

I'm as sure as I can be that what you THOUGHT Jim was saying just triggered it, and is himself NOT the cause. This then presents an opportunity to look at what exactly makes you so angry. This anger shows itself quite often, and to grab it by the tail and look at it closely is a gift.

This partial post of Bill’s is from . . . . .

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Ecuador/page3 post #45


The following is an explanation or reason (primarily) behind my anger and utter frustration.

There is thread after thread post after post on this forum that discusses current events that hint to WW3, the New World Order /government, ‘when’ the **** hits the fan, extreme natural events that could send us back to the 1800’s or worse. You yourself Bill have posted several threads of insider info that hint and informs of these things.

I have posted about my personal contact with 2 different alien races I had as a child and teenager and that I am now as an adult (after coming back to the mountains where this contact happened) remembering what I was shown. You asked me in the forum and by email to relate what I now remember and know. Bill, you also asked me to send you what I now remember we are up against and facing to be approved and for you to offer suggestions.

We exchanged emails back and forth a few times and you went over my primary first draft of with what I would start a thread. You also (in our emails) suggested fairly strongly that what I have to say would not be accepted or in the least it would be an uphill battle to communicate the messages I received as a child. I also ‘gathered’ from our conversations that I would not be supported by you or other foundational members. Your revisions to my first draft bothered me because those revisions redirected the impact of the seriousness of what we are facing. Your revisions or suggestions made me feel I needed to fall or adhere to a mold or pattern that is already well established on this forum.

This utterly dumbfounded me.

I was an original member from the inception of Project Camelot. I was one of the very few members of Camelot that formed and was an active member of the Ground Crews. I hosted many of the Midwest Ground Crew meetings on my farm in Kansas. I lurked for awhile on the original Project Avalon and finally forced to join during the Charles fiasco. I did not join because of Charles . . . . I joined because in all the hoopla I could not find the posts of my favorite members and so became an actual member so I could navigate the forum more easily. I have supported you and had your back every step of the way through the years even when I didn’t necessarily agree. I have actually implemented in my own life many of the ideals put forth on the forum . . . . . I am very practical, pragmatic and very much a doer. I get done what visionaries envision. I am very good at pulling from thought and making it real. I am very good at integrating dreams and reality.

As you can see from my post count I am not a prolific poster and this is simply because I only post (for the most part) when I am passionate about something or when I feel a need too. I have started very few threads, but the majority of the threads I have started have been popular and (I feel) worthy.

And so I have started this thread.

We ARE at this current time very deep into WW3 and the implementation of the New World Order or One World Government. From this point on we as a global humanity will suffer greatly while this war continues and while the new system is fully integrated and implemented. . . . .this will continue for the next 25+ years. We as a global humanity also face the very distinct reality of a natural disaster that could be a ELE (extinction level event) It is literally just a matter of time . . . the controllers know this and are fully prepared and using this reality and chaos to speed up implementation of the one world government.

We each can choose how this dark time will impact us. There are many things each of us can do to survive and thrive during this time and to come out of the dark period in a very good place . . . .but it will take UNDERSTANDING of what is actually taking place and why this is ultimately a very good thing and as a whole humanity will absolutely “make it this time”.

And so my anger and frustration is that even though I very much am pushed by my “remembering” I know that sharing on this forum (as it seems now) would be a disaster and waste of my time.

I am left brained and logical and this fact, as it would seem, on the forum is not very accepted. Currently the right brained intuitive members are more accepted and even promoted and protected (example: Jim/ Jimini). My logical pragmatic brain and gut tells me that this drama surrounding Jim will result in another Charles type implosion. We will loose members (I will be one of them this time) and the forum will take another step toward its demise or at least become a shadow of its former uniqueness and strength.

I am also something else. I am the type of woman that would be the first of women on the first ship to the Americas. I would be the first woman on the first wagon that settled the west. I am the type of woman that was the first astronaut. I am the type of woman that will be on the first star ship that explores space. I am the type of woman that will stand by a man’s side and fight the fight that needs to fought and never give up. I am tough and strong and yes sometimes out of control. But I listen to reason and intelligent instruction. I can be a mighty asset or force to be reckoned with.

I am the type of woman that forges new ways of life and the paths for others to follow. I also fully understand that after those paths and ways of life are hammered out then it takes other woman (like Christine) to finish the job and create the more spiritual and societal structure and softness and emotion. But we cannot reverse the two very much needed tools. I listen to the compassion women like Christine and Paula teach and I agree. . . . . and I am very capable of integrating all this in my life . . . but with what we are facing now we have to meld the two into a balance of strengths. Do not ask me to be intuitive and meditate good will and heal by thought and emotion. This is foreign to me. This is not my strength. Use my tools and strengths. Women like me are also the divine feminine . . . . we are the physical warriors . . . women like Christine are the spiritual warriors.

Women like me scare the hell out of most men.

The forum is constantly overturning and a new influx of members every few months. This in its self is not a bad thing. What does not help though is at the point the forum as a whole is just getting to the point of connecting very important profound dots and theories, a jim or charles or other drama steps in and blows these connections all to hell. It would seem we as a whole are not able to make it over the hump (so to say) to where we can become the spark that lights the fire to healing the planet and change that would benefit all of humanity.

There is very much a glass ceiling to the further growth of the forum past the initial education and teaching of those just finding the path to Truth and Awareness.

So (I feel and my opinion) either this forum remains a teaching forum and the same threads and posts get regurgitated and recycled time after time . . .we grow and reach a point, self destruct or splint and start all over. Not a bad thing in any way . . . teaching is needed.

Or

We be the change . . .the tough change . . . the real change . . that is purposeful, powerful, healing, balanced, uniting and we usher in a way of life that is bountiful for humanity as a whole as we navigate these 25+ difficult years.

So yes Bill, I am angry and it is a righteous anger. So either my words and anger have merit and truth or I am deluded.

[Bill Ryan]

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What you say is categorically not true.

I'm fully willing to post my part of my correspondence with you.

What I recommended was an adaptation of some forms of your wording to make it easier for some members to read and consider. I was supporting you in my feedback. I still recommend that you open your thread. I told you I'd support it, and I will.

[Dorjezigzag]

This thread does not surprise me from a Monsanto apologist

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

I'm fully willing to post my part of my correspondence with you.

In fact, here it is. The first message was in acknowledgement of yours.

The second message was my detailed response.

This is copied verbatim, except that I've taken out your real name and one paragraph where I quoted what you had written.

Now, please tell me what you are angry about.


2 September:

Hi, ____

Many thanks indeed for this, and for all the work you've done putting it together. I think you may find that quite a few Avalon members have had similar contact experiences and feel blessed (or burdened!) with significant information.

We've had quite a day on Avalon (as you will have seen!) -- and while I have a few thoughts and suggestions I'd like to offer, what I'd prefer to do is to tackle this properly tomorrow, when I'll copy it to a Word document and add to your (very well-done) draft a few notes and thoughts that might be helpful.

I absolutely understand where you're coming from, and what you sent was very clear to me. What I'd like to do is to kind of escort you through this, if I can help a little, and offer a few suggestions that may minimize the possibility of triggering others. I do think it could be the start of a most valuable discussion.

With my very best wishes, Bill

3 September:

Hi, ____

I copied your proposed thread content to a Word doc (attached) and proposed some amendments. These can be easily summarized:

1) The most trivial first! I changed 'blonde' to 'blond' throughout. A tall blonde is a 6 ft human girl! A tall blond is an ET.

2) In a number of places I changed 'is' to 'may be'. Even though you may be sure that it "IS" -- I would strongly suggest that you make the syntax conditional.

This starts the thinking process within others, makes it seem like you're willing to discuss the possibilities, and are not preaching or enforcing a fixed idea.

You have to go very gently with this stuff. Hitting people over the head with it is unlikely to work well. You need to lead them gently into considering all this as a possibility. The more reasonable and gentle and patient you are, the more friends you'll win.

You've been thinking about this for a long time. Others, when they read it, will be thinking about it for two or maybe three minutes, possibly after a long day at the office or with a child who is sick.

Hence the need to soften it a little. You will have the entire rest of the thread to enlarge on everything as you wish. It's all a matter of timing.

3) Your reference to an ELE (or 'the' ELE) isn't very clear. I didn't even properly understand myself what you meant! I've tried to explain in my comments below what most people understand by the term 'ELE' -- which is a single, catastrophic incident, like an asteroid impact: it's not the same as a 'mass extinction'. As best I know, there have not been any ELEs in mankind's history, yet.

In your responses to posts, bear in mind that you ARE the messenger (after all, none of this is your idea or plan!) -- and that many will say that you may be being used as a kind of 'patsy' (a useful asset) to spread these notions that it has to be this way, and there's no escape, or any other route out of all this. Most will disagree that it has to be the way you describe.

Personally, I don't agree with your thesis (because I think there are other ways through) -- but I'm not going to be aggressive in any replies. Remember, you may be wrong, and you may be being misled yourself... whatever you believe or remember you were told.

* And personally, I have no doubt at all that you're reporting everything you recall and understand as authentically and honestly as possible. That is why I would like you to be heard, and will defend the thread.

You need to be cool, and patient. This is hard for people to hear. And many other forum members have had their profound experiences also (including myself), which present a different story. Untangling and deciphering all this is what we need to do together.

The best part of your proposed post was when you wrote:

[omitted as i do not have your permission yet to quote part of what you wrote]

You'll win friends that way -- by being vulnerable and open and honest and not totally certain. Others will identify with that...and listen.

With my best wishes -- Bill

[blufire]

Interesting that you would personal and private correspondence (partial) between you and I.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by blufire (here)
Interesting that you would personal and private correspondence (partial) between you and I.

I can share anything I've written. Not anything that you have written.

I'm pleased you're online (but pretty soon I'm going to take the dog for a walk before the sun sets).

Tell me what the **** you found objectionable about my response. You wrote here:

Posted by blufire (here)
So either my words and anger have merit and truth or I am deluded.

Your words and anger do NOT have merit.

[Sierra]

Anyone can post their own material. Nothing interesting there.

[Flash]

I would very much like to read anything you have to say blufire. Your posts to me were solid, and yes, left brain. We need both.

1. We need to pull altogether, men and women, left and right brained, old an Young, at this time.

2. Spiritual and physical warriors are needed, transforming people at all levels are needed. These warriors are mostly uncomfortable for most people though. We have to live with this.

3. The Wise, the sage, are needed as well. The problem with warriors is that they are passionate and in the action fire they forget to see/listen to the sage messages - those messages are not for diminishing the strenght of the interventions, but for giving it a purposeful very efficient direction.

4. You may not understand Jimini, to tell the truth, I often do not either, but I do feel him.

As all Wise ones, words are not their cup of tea usually. On the thread that he opened about leaving Thailand, when I came to post, I felt that I needed his energy to have the might in me come out in writing.

The thread was transeferred elsewhere and I had the taste to write "please Jimmini, come back to stir the pot again, so that caracters and might comes out in the open. This is HIS talent - very far, in fact opposite, to the Charles talents that were self servicing or servicing some dark masters. I do not think the forum will fall because of Jimini (truly like Jimini in Pinochio).

5. However, I do think that both of us, you and me, and people like us, need to stop during the battle and look around, feel the field, see the direction and then decide where to put our physical/mental energies.

We have a few of Avalonians that can be our lighthouses. If you do not see the light of one of these, ok, lets check the others.

6. I often fall on the nerves of those that are the lighthouses, for my passion (perceived as worthless emotions sometimes) or what seems sometimes, to them, my slow understanding (spiritually speaking).

But nevertheless, when understanding is integrated to my actions, nothing can stop me, with sometimes slow, sometimes fast, implementation. I think we both need the Jiminis of this world to start our fire blufire. And he has not much to do with it really, just his presence does it.

(I must say that I am sensitive to men's ego (the wrong one), and react to it because of our history and because I believe that humanity has to listen to his half to be on the breathing/living path. This is a absolute necessity).

7. All you/I need is love and support while you/I are in the action. No justification needed I am sure. No requirement of justification, just plain and intelligent support. You feel this, you will be great (me too by the way).

However, the pitfall is not to stop in order to observe, listen, see and oriente yourself/myself for efficiency - this I/we have to remind ourselves constantly. A battle is won with light, Wisdom, intelligence and passion, no less.


ouf... I do not know if I am clear, but if not, please react.

[Christine]

Oh geez, the amount of misconceptions and misrepresentations are staggering. But right now I am going to walk my dog too.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

LOL, you guys are going to make someone start quoting "Anchorman" again....

LOUD NOISES! I LOVE LAMP!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9kS9fNb1XnU

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gId6nrMDmUU

[transiten]

Rumi is the poet that combines fire and water, action and meditation, male and female, wrath and compassion...

[Flash]

Just read Bill's post, after having posted.

Bill is a teacher Blufire. He just wrote you things in terms of syntax and knowledge of humans that most good and real teachers know. He was a trainer for adults in different work environments and it shows. He had given these kinds of comments thousands of times in the work environments, for a pay. He now gave it to you for free. Why not take it.

And he knows how forums work.

If I were to say how I do my work, this, what he wrote you, could be a sample I would use. There was nothing personal in it. Just plain training/teaching.

So please, LETS STOP, observe, look around, feel the field, accept the few inputs you had to help you manage around, and START YOU THREAD GOD DAMIT. Throw it here, I want to read.

[Sierra]

Well... I don't think I am going to sit around and wait for the forum to implode, too boring for words.

Almost as boring as reading a DW type exposition of I am this, I am that, I am the type... You want a marching band along with that?

If the forum does implode, you can say "I told you so." How exciting will that be.

[Maunagarjana]

I'd just like to point out, without actually having heard what blufire was shown, that lots of things have changed in the preceding decades, and that just because ETs show catastrophic outcomes to people doesn't mean it will happen. I seem to recall that Bill was shown some things in a past life that he doesn't think will come to pass. I think oftentimes they show the worst case scenario to let at least some people know what could happen.

It could be that we are actually on a very positive timeline at present in comparison to where we could be. It may not seem like it, with some of the things going on (Fukushima, Syria, etc.) but maybe we've already dodged some major bullets and could be poised to do more of that. I do not think anything is set in stone or fated. I don't think that's how the universe or time works. Those worst case scenarios will happen on some timeline or another, I think, but that does not mean you or I will experience them. About Jimmini, I can't make any sense of his posts and tend to just ignore him. So, I understand your frustration, blufire.

[sandy]

Dear Flash,

I admire your ability to take things to yourself and assess where you are coming from and much to my joy it takes being in touch with your EMOTIONS at all times. Emotions are our teachers IMHO and investigating them especially when we are triggered often reveals more about ourselves than we care to admit or own up to. Your honesty is refreshing and kudo's to you for role modeling Personal Integrity first and foremost. This is the answer to all our inequalities and injustices in life and goes back to being the change we want to see....................

It is disheartening that we can only promote change, one individual at a time (self) and that often we are very alone in affecting those around us even by our role modeling but then we are the fore runners of this paradigm shift.

Hang in and Hang on one and all as the path can be long and hard at times but change is happening!!! and for myself that is what I "know" and hang onto.

[indigopete]

Posted by blufire (here)
Interesting that you would personal and private correspondence (partial) between you and I.

I think he was entitled to given that you made your grievances public.

Posted by blufire (here)
Women like me scare the hell out of most men

The words "toys" and "pram" spring to mind.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Muse
Angelos
Messenger

-- those are things we all can be.
But they are things we have to put away when we are done,
or we drive the rest crazy.

[Heartsong]

Golly, personality and role conflicts before the tread is even posted! I hope this is not a sign of progress.

I would rather read the post about the contact with the aliens than read about the conflict. I can manage my response to it regardless of it's syntax.

[gripreaper]

The personality window has four quadrants. Above the horizontal line, you have the energy spend types and below the horizontal line you have the energy conserves. This pattern is laid down during the birth process and is core, visceral, and cellular and cannot be changed.

The vertical line in the window is the right brain intuitive and the left brain logical. These two sides generally have a primary dominant and a secondary supportive aspect. The predominance of the side of the brain is laid down through experience and is often referred to as societal and environmental influences.

So, those who are left brain energy spend are said to be “type A” personalities, the producers of the movie we call life (or Hollywood) the financiers. They have the overall logical vision on how the script of the movie is to become a reality, or how the vision of the business is to be implemented, and are unwavering. They make the best leaders and are often the CEO’s of corporations, as their vision is irrefutable from their vantage point. It’s the “my way or the highway” types.

The right brain energy spend intuitives are the actors, the sanguine outgoing fun and gregarious stage presence, who perform the play on stage. They see the vision of the script and act it out to its utmost perfection. They exude energy and passion, are the artisan’s, poets and musicians.

Below the horizontal line, where the energy conserve logical left brains reside, they are the directors, the supporters of the drama. They make sure things get done, are very methodical, and offer the best support for the vision. They are always looking for the fastest, easiest way to get things done with the least amount of energy expenditure, although they are very hard working.

The energy conserve right brain intuitives are the writers, but also the audience who enjoys the movie and comments on the merits of its execution, the energy which the production is meant to foster. They are the calm gentle types who are willing to be in the background and watch while offering their right brain critical intuitiveness in a conservative fashion.

It takes all four of the elements to make a movie. All four panes of the window, the producers, directors, actors and writers are necessary for the production of the movie we call life to manifest. The elemental counterparts of these are earth, air, fire and water. All creation has these four elements. These elements dance together in unison for the great play to manifest.

To say that one aspect is better than another, or that we should marginalize or objectify the energy out of balance, will not pull off a very good production. If one aspect becomes dominant, like it occasionally does on this forum, others will feel left out and will choose not to participate in the drama, not to add their respective parts in the production of the play of life.

The sanguine actor loves it when the melancholy director listens and encourages the scenes, and the passionate producer loves it when the director and the writers support the vision. We must learn to recognize all four elements, all four personality types (yes, even the type A leaders who have the most difficult time doing so) or the movie will not manifest.

Could this forum implode? Sure it could. If we lose all those who are willing to foster a new paradigm and we continue to regurgitate the same old ideas, then this forum will become just another alternative news site. Blufire is correct about this. I, for one encourage her to bring forth her production and vision, but to please let the directors, actors and writers do their job too. Then, and only then, will we be able to make an epic movie, the likes of which has never been done before.

{edit}

One more thing. I do believe it is the type A feminine which will lead us out of this mess, towards a balanced unity, dismantling the patriarchal bias and polarization, without throwing the baby out with the bath water. It's time to let the likes of blufire and we-R-one, Christine, Paula, Ulli, etc. speak... and lead... and direct... and act... and write...

[Flash]

Posted by Heartsong (here)
Golly, personality and role conflicts before the tread is even posted! I hope this is not a sign of progress.

I would rather read the post about the contact with the aliens than read about the conflict. I can manage my response to it regardless of it's syntax.

Innocent looking cats are always the wisest - short and simple, eat the dam mouse. We will check at worms later.