NSA Utah has $1 Million monthly electricity bill and That's Okay?

[grannyfranny100]

With all the quibbling over Obamacare during the government shut down, I wonder why our elected representatives want to restrain spending on the backs of the little people without questioning intelligence community spending.

"According to various reports, including the latest by the WSJ, the Bluffdale site was chosen by the NSA owing to its affordable electricity. The data hub will consume some 65 megawatts of energy at a cost of $1 million per month." http://rt.com/usa/nsa-utah-data-hub-meltdowns-871/ Also the facility cost $1.5 billion to build!

Why doesn't Congress examine NSA expenditures? Is this because NSA has data that they can use to blackmail Congress members as well as ordinary citizens?

[Lifebringer]

Is that electric bill on the tax payer?

Oooooo, wouldn't it be nice to go over OUR budget line by line, department and reason for it, by department.

Is that too much to ask for? No?

Well, why don't we ask our dear Congress Speaker Boehner who has the right to bring bills and Tea baggers that are son "Constitutionally tolerated and supposedly support" if we can have a line by line budget reveal, and the cost of each department and reason for it.

Can we petition at WH.gov?
Can WE get Jesse Ventura to submit a writ petition and have American voters on the ballot request it?
Hmmm... that would be an "official need to know" of the people.

Hmmm.....interesting. We've asked about the UFO's contact, yet never received that one or our Presidents met with them until recently.

Yet, it's time to know of it all, and this is a great start. Line by line what is the cost, what is the name of the department and what is it's "objective?"

[ghostrider]

12 million a year just for electricity ??? somebody is putting money in their pockets ... 1million a month to spy on us and we pay for it ...and they wonder why we are 16 trillion in debt ??? wonder how much was spent on computers , cell phones , elevators, desk, file cabinets , water tanks , light fixtures , regulators , etc ... and we paid for it ... we paid so they could spy on us when ever they want ... keep the whole enchilada shut down ... send the NSA home first and turn the lights off in that building ... this errks me big time ... thats my money not theirs ... I earned it they took it and used it AGAINST ME AND MY COUNTRY !!! ohmmmmm ohmmmmm breath GR breath ...

[ghostrider]

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
Is that electric bill on the tax payer?

Oooooo, wouldn't it be nice to go over OUR budget line by line, department and reason for it, by department.

Is that too much to ask for? No?

Well, why don't we ask our dear Congress Speaker Boehner who has the right to bring bills and Tea baggers that are son "Constitutionally tolerated and supposedly support" if we can have a line by line budget reveal, and the cost of each department and reason for it.

Can we petition at WH.gov?
Can WE get Jesse Ventura to submit a writ petition and have American voters on the ballot request it?
Hmmm... that would be an "official need to know" of the people.

Hmmm.....interesting. We've asked about the UFO's contact, yet never received that one or our Presidents met with them until recently.

Yet, it's time to know of it all, and this is a great start. Line by line what is the cost, what is the name of the department and what is it's "objective?"

I so love the idea ... line by line , demand to see the books , and whatever amount is there we cut it down a little , and next year if they roll along, we know they were spending more than they put on the books ... which makes them guilty of fraud ... it's our money , shouldn't we know exactly what we are paying for ??? sounds like a pillar for 2014 ... open the books for the public and let them see what they pay for , it might hit home with the sleepers ...

[grannyfranny100]

Remember when your parents use to holler to turn the lights off? Well Congress should turn off more than the lights at NSA. And if they do keep it open, they should bring back Edward Snowden to run it after giving him a Congressional Medal of Honor. At least that would give us some hope that everyone in Congress isn't a crook!

[Ba-ba-Ra]

From what I understand, the Utah facility is where they store all our phone calls, emails, tweets, etc.

Quite a high price we're paying to have someone snoop on us.

[grannyfranny100]

Yes the Bluffdale, Utah facility built at a cost $1.5 billion houses NSA records of your phone records, your personal financial info and your emails. Justification: you might be a potential domestic terrorist. And with NDAA, you can be disappeared without legal recourse by a vile neighbor's tale even if you think you are lily white. Once again: "the best government that money can buy" with taxpayer money.

"Estimates of the facility’s capacity, which is classified, ranges from exabytes or zettabytes, reports the Wall Street Journal. An exabyte being equivalent to 100,000 times the size of printed material held by the Library of Congress, while a zettabyte is 1,000 times that amount." http://rt.com/usa/nsa-utah-data-hub-meltdowns-871/

Do you think either party in Congress is going to challenge these expenditures? Heck no, since NSA has mined all the data they need to black mail Congress members. Our representatives don't want to lose their prestigious jobs. Read an interview with an honest one in a thread started by Avalon member Murray "Interview with Congressman Neil Gallagher" https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Neil-Gallagher. You will see what Hoover could do in the blackmail department back then and just imagine what is happening now.

Why should people like Boehner consider cutting the NSA budget when he can steal old people's social security and defund programs for mothers and children. And why give the people line item review of government expenditures as suggested in this thread? What, we should do the work that we pay our representatives to do and is also done by other government agencies and committees. Obama championed government transparency in his campaign rhetoric and it never happened. Only the politically naive thought it would.

And don't think the Fourth Estate, the media, is going to keep you informed through investigative journalism. They are owned and controlled, too. Nevertheless you can still read things like Karen Hudes interviews on her whistle blower world wide attempts to get rid the corruption. The most recent one is available in an Avalon thread posted by gittarpikk "Karen Hudes knocks another Home run: a Must See interview re Obamacare, the dollar/gov shutdown situation" https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...down-situation.

[risveglio]

Not sure who The Next News Network is

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aFLT-XChf1A

[grannyfranny100]

risveglio, a no brain, quick google search says, "America's 1st 24/7 Streaming Liberty News Network - featuring breaking news, live programs, exclusive reports and actionable intel that affects your freedoms."

[risveglio]

Posted by grannyfranny100 (here)
risveglio, a no brain, quick google search says, "America's 1st 24/7 Streaming Liberty News Network - featuring breaking news, live programs, exclusive reports and actionable intel that affects your freedoms."

I know what they claim to be but MSNBC, Fox, and CNN claim to be news networks too.

[grannyfranny100]

risveglio, good point and for all we know, those failing mainstream networks could be opening this kind of operation to compete.

[doodah]

Here's some good news from
Breaking News and Commentary from Citizens for Legitimate Government
10 Oct 2013
http://www.legitgov.org/

Meltdowns Hobble NSA Data Center 07 Oct 2013 Chronic electrical surges at the massive new data-storage facility central to the National Security Agency's spying operation have destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of machinery and delayed the center's opening for a year, according to project documents and current and former officials. There have been 10 meltdowns in the past 13 months that have prevented the NSA from using computers at its new Utah data-storage center, slated to be the spy agency's largest, according to project documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. One project official described the electrical troubles--so-called arc fault failures--as "a flash of lightning inside a 2-foot box." These failures create fiery explosions, melt metal and cause circuits to fail, the official said. [Gee, what a shame!]

It's beyond ridiculous that our tax payer money is spent in such ways, and now the operation is partially being destroyed by power surges. While I hate to see OUR money going up in flames, I'm happy to see that the b**tards aren't able to get what they've wanted from our already-wasted money. This Center is an endless pit just gobbling up money.

I'd say keep those energy bursts flowing toward that Center and let's take the whole thing down.

[risveglio]

Legitimate Government is an oxymoron.