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    As outlined by Bill and others: you have an over consumption problem, coupled with a lack of physical activity.

    Your muscles burn fructose when you exercise in the anaerobic threshold.

    Anaerobic MetabolismGlucose in the bloodstream diffuses into the cytoplasm and is locked there by phosphorylation. A glucose molecule is then rearranged slightly to fructose and phosphorylated again to fructose diphosphate.
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    Just last evening I watched a one hour documentary on CBC on the program 5th Estate regarding the poison, SUGAR. It was very well researched as many CBC documentaries are. Whether people are eating white sugar, pure cane sugar makes no difference. It is addictive and most definately can lead to diabetes, cancer, heart disease and dimentia . (sorry for my spelling) Yes I know that we all have cravings for sweet stuff. I do my best to quell the cravings by eating fruit. I don't always win out. I allow myself a piece of chocolate fudge cake once in a blue moon, LOL! .
    But yes there are natural sweeteners besides sugar which people can use to feed their sweet addiction. Very intersting topic. See you later, its time for my once in a blue moon piece of chocolate fudge cake.
    There is another factor that many have not discussed is the amount of sugar that exists in processed food. Four grams of sugar is equal to one tea spoon full. Look at the labelling on almost every package item you buy; I would guess that almost 95% of all processed foods have sugar listed on their ingrediant labels. If people eat a lot of processed foods, which north americans do, you are most likely eating a hell of a lot of sugar on a daily basis.

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    Sorry folks if my threat above seems a little disjointed I am sorry. I started a thread, had to leave my computer; and lost what I had originally wrote, ( must be the double fudge chocolate cake) affecting my memory. Anyways, I know that this can be a serious topic for some people. But I like to add a little levity, hopefully no one is offended.
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    Paula's post should be framed and mounted on Avalon's permanent wall.

    Quote Posted by Paula (here)
    Bubu, your posts across time are like the ones here. Know that the only reason for me to post on this thread is not to offer another way for you to see it.

    Why’s that? Because I’ve learned your cup runneth over with Bubu.

    You are always right, you never acknowledge that maybe, just maybe there’s another way to see it. So why do I bother to expend time and energy? To help cancel out the misinformation. Note: I could be wrong here. I find it’s better for me to skip your posts or do a quick read.

    I did a search of your recent posts. What comes to mind is that at the very least you like argument for argument’s sake, the other extreme is you exhibit troll-like qualities.

    Time for me to step out of the thread. But first, based on a quick search of just your recent posts and this thread, and here’s my take on my statement “you exhibit troll-like qualities”:

    (1) Posts inflammatory comments, not to engage in serious conversation, but to "grief" or annoy an online community.

    (2) An obvious glee and elated satisfaction is aroused in them when people join the fight and reply to their deliberately disruptive comments.

    (3) Copies and pastes large blocks of text to exhaust the readers of a topic thread, thus driving away legitimate posters of sincere comments. These blocks of text are often recycled and appeared on a variety of threads.

    (4) Tends to avoid complimenting people who disagree with them, even when those in opposition to the troll make some valid points.

    (5) Shuns any conciliatory statements like "You have obviously spent a lot of time studying this subject, and I'm not certain how to reply to your last remark, so let's shake hands, part as friends, and move on."

    (6) Never ends a debate with "Thanks for the discussion" or "I'll consider what you say" or any other finalizing remark, because they love arguing and disrupting civilized conversations.

    (7) Keeps an argument going a lot longer than a normal person would, to the point where people will start asking a moderator to turn off comments or block the troll. However, sometimes people will do this just because they can't tolerate contrary opinions and are angry at seeing them posted to a thread they enjoyed reading. The mark of a troll is to keep hammering away at a point in an obsessive manner.

    8-15 continued here

    Blogocombat means friendly online discussions, as well as heated debates. I use the term "blogocombat" to refer to both. But where the rubber meets the road is when you have to deal with the internet troll.

    There are no winners or losers in a civilized discussion. There are just people who express their thoughts and people who learn a bit more about a subject and improve their presentation of ideas by engaging in conversations with worthy opponents.

    "Trolling" has nothing to do with sincere expression of contrary opinions or stubborn dedication to an idea. Trolling is all in how the comments are phrased and how the comment poster behaves, especially when confronted.

    You know it's an immature attention-getting scheme when they respond quickly to every single comment posted in response to theirs, and their rhetoric tends to escalate in intense hatred, absurd rambling, and malicious provocation.
    Kor wrote:
    Quote Calcium ions are important for the body but drinking milk actually increases the chances for osteoporosis (weak bone structure). If need be the products made from milk are still "less bad" than drinking the milk itself.
    That's not the case if you are drinking raw, organic milk. Our current epidemic of osteoporosis began with pasteurization and homogenization. Most commercial dairy products like yogurt are worthless because the cultures aren't live or strong enough. Homemade kefir is a miracle food!

    Dr. Mercola has been a very good source of information concerning diet. Here's a link to just one article from him about over-consumption of carbohydrates, and the myths concerning low-fat diets:
    http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fit...t-glucose.aspx

    As someone with a tendency for Candida overgrowth, I have been looking for a healthy sweetener other than raw honey for some time.
    I don't like the taste of Stevia, but date sugar has been working fairly well for me, and I've just ordered some raw Coconut Crystals to try.
    If a sweetener is not OK for me to use, I can tell immediately, as it will make me feel fatigued and dopey.
    Cane sugar is an absolute no-no for anyone with Candida issues.
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    Hope these links on the subject are of interest.

    John Yudkin was ridiculed for his research, but his book remains testimony to yet another truth that in my opinion that was buried under disguise of what is best for the people.

    http://darkj-fitness.tumblr.com/post...nload-pdf-this

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=dBnni...ature=youtu.be

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    Quote Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
    Quote Posted by Paula (here)
    Bubu, your posts across time are like the ones here. Know that the only reason for me to post on this thread is not to offer another way for you to see it.

    Why’s that? Because I’ve learned your cup is full of Bubu.

    You are always right, you never acknowledge that maybe, just maybe there’s another way to see it. So why do I bother to expend time and energy? To help cancel out the misinformation. Note: I could be wrong here. I find it’s better for me to skip your posts or do a quick read.

    I did a search of your recent posts. What comes to mind is that at the very least you like argument for argument’s sake, the other extreme is you exhibit troll-like qualities.

    Time for me to step out of the thread. But first, based on a quick search of just your recent posts and this thread, and here’s my take on my statement “you exhibit troll-like qualities”:

    (1) Posts inflammatory comments, not to engage in serious conversation, but to "grief" or annoy an online community.

    (2) An obvious glee and elated satisfaction is aroused in them when people join the fight and reply to their deliberately disruptive comments.

    (3) Copies and pastes large blocks of text to exhaust the readers of a topic thread, thus driving away legitimate posters of sincere comments. These blocks of text are often recycled and appeared on a variety of threads.

    (4) Tends to avoid complimenting people who disagree with them, even when those in opposition to the troll make some valid points.

    (5) Shuns any conciliatory statements like "You have obviously spent a lot of time studying this subject, and I'm not certain how to reply to your last remark, so let's shake hands, part as friends, and move on."

    (6) Never ends a debate with "Thanks for the discussion" or "I'll consider what you say" or any other finalizing remark, because they love arguing and disrupting civilized conversations.

    (7) Keeps an argument going a lot longer than a normal person would, to the point where people will start asking a moderator to turn off comments or block the troll. However, sometimes people will do this just because they can't tolerate contrary opinions and are angry at seeing them posted to a thread they enjoyed reading. The mark of a troll is to keep hammering away at a point in an obsessive manner.

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    Blogocombat means friendly online discussions, as well as heated debates. I use the term "blogocombat" to refer to both. But where the rubber meets the road is when you have to deal with the internet troll.

    There are no winners or losers in a civilized discussion. There are just people who express their thoughts and people who learn a bit more about a subject and improve their presentation of ideas by engaging in conversations with worthy opponents.

    "Trolling" has nothing to do with sincere expression of contrary opinions or stubborn dedication to an idea. Trolling is all in how the comments are phrased and how the comment poster behaves, especially when confronted.

    You know it's an immature attention-getting scheme when they respond quickly to every single comment posted in response to theirs, and their rhetoric tends to escalate in intense hatred, absurd rambling, and malicious provocation.
    From his other thread.


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    PS I'm the one with the surf board
    Here's the guy with the surf board, looking pretty good for a 47 year old, a perverts dream.

    Woa Paula I am amazed that you come this far to label me.

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    Words are deceptive really. I have learned that the worst liars are those that can spin the words with great ease. Like the Lawyers.

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    Short video questioning the demonisation of sugar.
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    A little late getting into the debate but this video gets to the heart of how fructose, glucose and HFCS are
    metabolized different in the body (mostly in the liver), who put the sugar in our food (starting with Nixon)
    and how the obesity is now staring in 6 month olds!

    evil contains the seeds of its own destruction—unslaved
    http://www.michaeltsarion.com/

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)

    Kor wrote:
    Quote Calcium ions are important for the body but drinking milk actually increases the chances for osteoporosis (weak bone structure). If need be the products made from milk are still "less bad" than drinking the milk itself.
    That's not the case if you are drinking raw, organic milk. Our current epidemic of osteoporosis began with pasteurization and homogenization. Most commercial dairy products like yogurt are worthless because the cultures aren't live or strong enough. Homemade kefir is a miracle food!
    The reason osteoporosis soared with the advent of pasteurisation and homogenisation is because the consumption of milk then rose dramatically under the notion that it was now "safe to drink".

    The fact is that milk, raw or otherwise has never been safe to drink unless you are a CALF!!!

    The same goes for all of its derivatives, even those of a probiotic nature.
    My partner's gran has been making probiotic kefir from raw milk for time and she's riddled with arthritis. "Miracle food"? Yeah, right.

    We are the only species that drinks the mammary secretions of another species.



    If you think you can defy nature, good luck with that.....

    .....and then there's the puss!! Would you like it raw or heat treated? lol!!

    Finally, the unspeakably cruel activity that is veal farming is a direct by-product of the dairy industry....."What are we gonna do with all those calves that woulda drunk our milk? I know, let's market their anaemic asses under the pretense that it's what people want.....oh yeah, but we gotta keep'em in crates to improve the flavor.".....sick f*cks!!!

    If you want to remain blissfully ignorant of the reality of dairy, don't read this.

    Sorry Babu, back to sugar.
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    Quote Posted by kenaz (here)
    A little late getting into the debate but this video gets to the heart of how fructose, glucose and HFCS are
    metabolized different in the body (mostly in the liver), who put the sugar in our food (starting with Nixon)
    and how the obesity is now staring in 6 month olds!

    Lustig is a paleo-pushing meat industry tool and he's overweight!

    Actually, it's very difficult to find any of these low carb / high protein "gurus" that aren't overweight.

    I've been loosely following Doug Graham's 80 10 10 diet (80% carb's, 10% protein, 10% fat - all plant based) for some time now. I'm currently on day 25 of a house renovation. I've had 2 days off and I'm putting in 12-14 hour days, hard graft, minimum and I'm tearing through it. I'd love to see Lustig keeping up whilst following his own dietary advice.

    High carb's ftw, sugar included, but ideally unrefined.
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    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    Woa Paula I am amazed that you come this far to label me.

    “If you judge people, you have no time to love them.” Mother Theresa.

    Words are deceptive really. I have learned that the worst liars are those that can spin the words with great ease. Like the Lawyers.

    thanks for the post
    There is a difference between labelling someone as a troll and saying “you exhibit troll-like qualities”, which is merely a description of your posting style. It is an invitation to show that you are not the troll that you, doubtless unwittingly, appear to be. It happens all the time - but so does real trolling. Please do a little more to show that you are a bona fide poster.


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    Actually, many species do drink the milk of other species, in certain situations.


    and not just cats...

    For the lactose tolerant, goat, sheep, cow, and milk from other mammals has been a source of food for a very long time.
    I have no illusions about the dairy industry--I was a vegetarian for many years, and years ago when I read John Robbins book Diet for a New America, I became a vegan on principle.
    I've studied nutrition quite a lot and for a number of years, I was eating primarily raw and sprouted foods, which I still do that a lot.
    But years of being vegan took its toll on my health, and eventually I began incorporating raw, organic dairy back into my diet, and a few years ago I stopped fighting my craving for meat and began eating a very small amount of meat--perhaps 5 lbs of local, organic, free range poultry per month.
    I feel better when I am eating some dairy and meat. and though I would prefer to be vegan, it just didn't work for me.
    I wouldn't call that defying Nature, it's just being practical for where I am in my evolution now.
    Some body types do better with being vegan, some don't.

    Just as sugar may not cause problems for some people; realistically, that doesn't mean it's OK for everyone.



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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)

    Kor wrote:
    Quote Calcium ions are important for the body but drinking milk actually increases the chances for osteoporosis (weak bone structure). If need be the products made from milk are still "less bad" than drinking the milk itself.
    That's not the case if you are drinking raw, organic milk. Our current epidemic of osteoporosis began with pasteurization and homogenization. Most commercial dairy products like yogurt are worthless because the cultures aren't live or strong enough. Homemade kefir is a miracle food!
    The reason osteoporosis soared with the advent of pasteurisation and homogenisation is because the consumption of milk then rose dramatically under the notion that it was now "safe to drink".

    The fact is that milk, raw or otherwise has never been safe to drink unless you are a CALF!!!

    The same goes for all of its derivatives, even those of a probiotic nature.
    My partner's gran has been making probiotic kefir from raw milk for time and she's riddled with arthritis. "Miracle food"? Yeah, right.

    We are the only species that drinks the mammary secretions of another species.



    If you think you can defy nature, good luck with that.....

    .....and then there's the puss!! Would you like it raw or heat treated? lol!!

    Finally, the unspeakably cruel activity that is veal farming is a direct by-product of the dairy industry....."What are we gonna do with all those calves that woulda drunk our milk? I know, let's market their anaemic asses under the pretense that it's what people want.....oh yeah, but we gotta keep'em in crates to improve the flavor.".....sick f*cks!!!

    If you want to remain blissfully ignorant of the reality of dairy, don't read this.

    Sorry Babu, back to sugar.
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    Here are a few more examples of cross-species nursing:




    Colostrum from goats and cows is often recommended for humans with various health issues, especially immune related.

    I would say that, if anything, Nature is flexible and adaptive.

    Back to topic:
    There's a good article from Dr. Mercola today on sweeteners and sugar substitutes:
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ign=20131007Z1
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Here are a few more examples of cross-species nursing:




    Colostrum from goats and cows is often recommended for humans with various health issues, especially immune related.

    I would say that, if anything, Nature is flexible and adaptive.

    Back to topic:
    There's a good article from Dr. Mercola today on sweeteners and sugar substitutes:
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ign=20131007Z1
    The examples you shared are rare freaks and in no way comparable with the level of human / bovine interaction.

    If a minimum of half the kittens on the planet were weened on dog milk, I might be more receptive to your argument but as it stands, it is a logical fallacy.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    .....But years of being vegan took its toll on my health and a few years ago I stopped fighting my craving for meat and began eating a very small amount of meat--perhaps 5 lbs of local, organic, free range poultry per month.
    I feel better when I am eating some dairy and meat.... and though I would prefer to be vegan, it just didn't work for me.
    I wouldn't call that defying Nature, it's just being practical for where I am in my evolution now.
    Some body types do better with being vegan, some don't.
    The non-violation of another should always take priority over "cravings", or our perceived ill health as a result of abstinence from such diets.

    I stopped being a cannibal but after a few years I gave in to my "cravings". I don't do well on a diet void of human flesh and feel much better now I'm back on it.

    .
    Quote ...flesh eating can eventually be seen as disgusting, horrifying, and a cousin to cannibalism.....

    Wade Frasier, here.
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    In the past I sometimes killed my own food but i don't think i could still do that, I am vegetarian now. Experimenting with raw food diets for 5 years I found that I was probably healthiest when i included raw meat, i even ate bugs.

    I used to think similar to you Akasha, but 80% fruit is too much imo/experience when you eat fruit you are basically eating 90% sugar.

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    Quote Posted by EmEx (here)
    In the past I sometimes killed my own food but i don't think i could still do that, I am vegetarian now. Experimenting with raw food diets for 5 years I found that I was probably healthiest when i included raw meat, i even ate bugs.

    I used to think similar to you Akasha, but 80% fruit is too much imo/experience when you eat fruit you are basically eating 90% sugar.
    Respect for respecting life, EmEx..... and just to be clear, my diet is not 80% fruit but 80% carb's in general. This would obviously include potatoes, rice, various grains and legumes, the latter also constituting a significant amount of my protein intake too.
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    I consider my need for a little meat to be a message from my body that it is not yet ready to be fully vegetarian at this time.
    I've seen too many vegans whose health has fallen apart due to the restrictions of their chosen diet.
    Compassion is a wonderful quality, but one has to have compassion for one's self as well.
    I've seen a lot of judgmental self-righteous vegan fanatics over the years, have even been one myself, but I've stopped being so judgmental.
    Resorting to name calling to get others to bow to my supposed superiority is not at all convincing, IMHO, quite the contrary.
    Life forms are interdependent in 3D, and I don't consider it cannibalism when a carnivore kills and eats another animal, anymore than when a human does.
    I certainly do think killing unnecessarily is wrong, as is causing unnecessary suffering.
    I look forward both to a world where people are no longer in judgement of each other and where killing is entirely a thing of the past.
    I don't think it's that far off, but it will come much sooner when we stop judging each other, and look instead to see what we can improve in ourselves.
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    Hi Onawah and thanks for your response. I've decided to reply to your above post in the "Does Our Treatment of Animals Affect How We Treat Each Other?" thread here so as not to derail Babu's thread.

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    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    I have learned that the worst liars are those that can spin the words with great ease. Like the Lawyers.

    thanks for the post
    Ooooops..... Dumb me. why did I say that? Did not mean it. I think the cabal is the worst liars second politicians. Lawyers come six or futher. I knew it we are a family of lawyers the job requires one to lie in court. But lawyers are good people. Lawyers in our family are its just that perhaps when they studied law they do not know what lies ahead.

    Apologies to the lawyers


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