Why America Wants Drones That Can Kill Without Humans

[Calz]

Well now ... isn't this a lovely thought!?!?




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Scientists, engineers and policymakers are all figuring out ways drones can be used better and more smartly, more precise and less damaging to civilians, with longer range and better staying power. One method under development is by increasing autonomy on the drone itself.

Eventually, drones may have the technical ability to make even lethal decisions autonomously: to respond to a programmed set of inputs, select a target and fire their weapons without a human reviewing or checking the result. Yet the idea of the U.S. military deploying a lethal autonomous robot, or LAR, is sparking controversy. Though autonomy might address some of the current downsides of how drones are used, they introduce new downsides policymakers are only just learning to grapple with.

The basic conceit behind a LAR is that it can outperform and outthink a human operator. "If a drone’s system is sophisticated enough, it could be less emotional, more selective and able to provide force in a way that achieves a tactical objective with the least harm," said Purdue University Professor Samuel Liles. "A lethal autonomous robot can aim better, target better, select better, and in general be a better asset with the linked ISR [intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance] packages it can run."


More: http://www.defenseone.com/technology...-drones/71492/

[Robin]

The idea of drones is one of the most frightening, upsetting, ludicrous notions that humanity has ever concocted. It is inconceivable that any sane person would even think about making drones.

Oh yeah...I almost forgot...the US is run by psychopaths!!

[music]

The problem with this is, that once they are developed, the parameters as to what constitutes a valid target can be changed at will. For example, a mobile phone number as a parameter, the colour of a person's skin as a parameter, being on the street after a certain time as a parameter, etc.

Something that must not be allowed, there is no middle ground, and there are no valid arguments for development that negate the concern I have expressed.

[Mike Gorman]

This is the lever by which authoritarianism and the new Fascism will triumph...naturalizing the concept of autonomous executions.

[Referee]

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
This is the lever by which authoritarianism and the new Fascism will triumph...naturalizing the concept of autonomous executions.

I hope and Pray you are wrong!

[Mike]

"less emotional and more selective"??? thank you Professor Euphemism...er...Liles

at first i didn't even see your pic's caption and I was thinking "skynet" the whole time Calzy. once again you've hit it outta the park with that one bud.

I also cant help but be plagued with the vision of these things flying over domestic soil as well. disturbing.

[RMorgan]

Hey Calz,

Why America Wants Drones That Can Kill Without Humans?

Short answer: Automation makes everything cheaper. Automated wars will be much more profitable and efficient, just like automated factories.

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey Calz,

Why America Wants Drones That Can Kill Without Humans?

Short answer: Automation makes everything cheaper. Automated wars will be much more profitable.

Raf.

Also for liability purposes too

If a self controlled drone accidentally kills a wedding party they can just say it must of been a software glitch or malfunction and a very unfortunate accident.

[Calz]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
"less emotional and more selective"??? thank you Professor Euphemism...er...Liles

at first i didn't even see your pic's caption and I was thinking "skynet" the whole time Calzy. once again you've hit it outta the park with that one bud.

I also cant help but be plagued with the vision of these things flying over domestic soil as well. disturbing.

Thanks Mike.

Good to see you getting yo mojo back


Well I'll raise the stakes just a bit here ... remember how easily Iran hacked the newest and highest tech drone such they were able to take control and make it land???

Clever.

Consider ... drones are soon to be common right here at home. This could well become a hacker game where who knows who takes over the drone to attack who knows who???

Interesting concept save for the real prize elites will all be cowering in the bunkers ... but I digress.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Maybe because tptb have run out of allies and they fear nobody wants to do the killing for them anymore sooner or later, or turn their guns on them, ultimately, what they fear I think is they have no one left to fight for them, and yeah its cheaper, armed eyes in the sky with an overview just to see who's coming to ask their money back.

[Mike]

Posted by Calz (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
"less emotional and more selective"??? thank you Professor Euphemism...er...Liles

at first i didn't even see your pic's caption and I was thinking "skynet" the whole time Calzy. once again you've hit it outta the park with that one bud.

I also cant help but be plagued with the vision of these things flying over domestic soil as well. disturbing.

Thanks Mike.

Good to see you getting yo mojo back


Well I'll raise the stakes just a bit here ... remember how easily Iran hacked the newest and highest tech drone such they were able to take control and make it land???

Clever.

Consider ... drones are soon to be common right here at home. This could well become a hacker game where who knows who takes over the drone to attack who knows who???

Interesting concept save for the real prize elites will all be cowering in the bunkers ... but I digress.

indeed sir.

and if they are indeed that easily hackable, I can easily envision a sticky situation where: OOPS, we didn't mean to kill all your citizens folks...we were HACKED! it just creates more ambiguity, more grey area...hey, kinda like 'the war on terror'. what a n interesting coincidence!

such a slippery slope...

[Calz]

Just like weather manipulation ... plausible deniability ...

[Mike]

Posted by Calz (here)
Just like weather manipulation ... plausible deniability ...

goddamnit, that's the fancy phrase I was looking for: plausible deniability. are you affecting my mind from a distance jedi smurf? cuz I sensed some tampering there. folks, get ready for my new thread: Calz...A mischievous smurf...or a black ops mindreading agent? You Decide...

(that might be a little long actually)

[Calz]

Gotta luv it

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Colorado voters will decide whether to issue drone-hunting licenses

The little Colorado town of Deer Trail will vote on declaring open season on government drones. Ordinance also awards a $100 bounty for each carcass.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz2hKsJONjj


A tiny town in Colorado will vote on whether to issue hunting licenses allowing folks to shoot down government drones.

The Deer Trail town board tied 3-3 in a Tuesday night meeting on the proposed ordinance, meaning it will go to voters in November.

Deer Trail has received international attention after officials announced last month they wanted to declare open season on government surveillance drones.

RELATED: DRONES TAKE TO THE SKIES DOMESTICALLY

The Federal Aviation Administration warned it was illegal to destroy government property and that a wounded unmanned aerial vehicle shot out of the sky could crash land on people.

"We do not want drones in town," said Deer Trail resident Phillip Steel, who drafted the ordinance. "They fly in town, they get shot down."

Steel’s tongue was firmly in his cheek when he first drafted the measure, but his anti-spying sentiment soon caught on with residents and some officials in the enclave of about 550 people some 55 miles east of Denver.

[Wind]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7oedvLjaIwM

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey Calz,

Why America Wants Drones That Can Kill Without Humans?

Short answer: Automation makes everything cheaper. Automated wars will be much more profitable and efficient, just like automated factories.

Raf.

But also, no one will have to look the victims in the eyes before they kill them. It's just another way to cheapen the value of life. Guilt-free....

[Mike]

ok...mapquesting Deer Trail...ok...great...not too complicated...

on the road, heading west, sh!teating grin planted firmly on face, rifle in right hand, left hand on wheel...lost in reverie...seeing headlines: 'East Coast Man Heroically Guns Down Drones'..

still lost in reverie...seeing tshirts labeled "East Coast Killer" with cartooinish Chinaski (small body, comically large head), rifle in tow, blowing equally cartoonish looking drones out of the sky (you see, kids can wear them too, while adults can always claim irony to avoid apparent sartorial blunder)....

Chinaski for mayor? Governor? Congress? Nope, *President*...that's more like it.

[Calz]

Posted by Chinaski (here)

Chinaski for mayor? Governor? Congress? Nope, *President*...that's more like it.

Jesse Ventura might be up for your running mate???

[Mike]

ha! I was kind of hoping you might be up to the task Calzy

of course, you'd be running things behind the scenes, like a Dick Cheney-type. and i'll just admit that here...because everyone knows i'm mad - we'd never get the votes!

I have, however, no doubt that our sloganeering and campaign posters would be - although occasionally mildly pornographic - second to none.

[Calz]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
ha! I was kind of hoping you might be up to the task Calzy

of course, you'd be running things behind the scenes, like a Dick Cheney-type.

We seem to have drifted a bit off topic eh???

[that's what I love about Mike]

Grudgingly ... it's all about the drones man ...