Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[greybeard]

Dannion Brinkley and family interview.
http://radio.consciouslifenews.com/?...nkley&x=7&y=12

Chris

[greybeard]

Anitia Moorjani on her Spiritual Realizations


Alan Steinfeld of http://www.NewRealities.com radio broadcast talks with Anita Moorjani opens up to Alan about topics she rarely discusses including education, religion and the other aspects of her NDE and others aspexts of her best selling book,
Dying to Be Me.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tYiFHxa_wK0

[greybeard]

Spiritual Author Nanci Danison's
BACKWARDS Glimpse
© 2013
October 7, 2013

Do We Disappear When We Merge Into Source?



Readers Jennifer and Crystal ask: "[Y]ou said that when we are done evolving we merge or dissolve back into the light forever and take all of our memories & experiences with us. When we do this, are we still us? Like do we continue to exist as us or are we no more? . . . Like I guess what I am asking is do our individual consciousnesses survive merging back into source or do they no longer exist once we dissolve back into source?"



These questions are answered differently depending upon which perspective we take.



Human Perspective: We believe we are separate individuals/consciousnesses from our Creator. Our religions have taught us that when we die, we go to heaven and live blissfully forever and ever amen. We are given the impression that we remain humans in heaven and continue to live human-like lives only better. Therefore, we believe we would retain all of our memories and experiences in our own individual minds. From human perspective, it would seem like we disappear when we merge back into Source.



Light Being Perspective: We believe we are spiritual beings that live the afterlife as discrete consciousnesses separate from Source. We know that the afterlife is not a forever and ever heaven, but rather more like a blissful temporary state of being between incarnations into physical matter. Once we complete the transition back into thinking and understanding like a Light Being, instead of a human, we retain and can remember every moment of every experience from every physical matter incarnation, as well as life in the afterlife between physical lives. We retain these memories in our individual expanded consciousnesses/minds. Light Beings eventually realize intellectually that they will "merge" back into Source, and that Source is a "collective being" with many, many personalities. But they have little concept of what that means for them individually until they are go through the merger process.



Source's Perspective: Humans do not have individual consciousnesses. The only consciousness inhabiting a human is Source--through the phenomenon I call "Light Beings" and most of us call "souls." Light Beings do not have individual consciousnesses. The only consciousness within a Light Being is that of Source. All of the characters, creatures, and beings in the physical universe and afterlife that believe they are separate consciousnesses believe that only because Source has chosen to have amnesia about those parts of its own mind. When we are ready, all of "us" who believe we are separate from Source will awaken to the knowledge that we are actually part of Source's consciousness and have never been separate individuals at all. We will expand our consciousness to know that we are Source itself. We will not lose anything; we gain almightyness. We will realize that we are literally characters within Source's mind pretending to be separate individuals. (This is the process I call "merger.") Therefore, there was never an "us" to "still be us" after merger into Source. There were never "individual consciousnesses to survive merging back into source." We have never existed other than in Source's mind. All of our memories and experiences are Source's memories and experiences



Note: "Merger" is probably a misnomer because it does create the impression that two separate beings are combining, rather than one consciousness awakening to a deeper understanding of itself. There is no word that adequately describes the process I experienced of mentally moving deeper and deeper into Source's understanding about itself, the universe it created, and its purpose for creating characters with amnesia within its own mind. So "merger" it is until I find a better term.



Next Month: I will answer Jennifer's question about why Light Beings do not know they are parts of Source.



Thank you for being open to the messages I have returned from the afterlife to share.



Nanci


Nanci L. Danison, JD, afterlife experiencer and author of BACKWARDS: Returning to Our Source for Answers, BACKWARDS Guidebook, BACKWARDS Beliefs: Revealing Eternal Truths Hidden in Religions, and the Light Answers to Tough Questions series of CDs and DVDs (A.P. Lee & Co., Ltd., Publishers). Visit me at www.BackwardsBooks.com or watch me on YouTube.

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[greybeard]

This may or may not be helpful.

From a deep spiritual teaching point of view there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that in the enlightened state there is to time, no space, no linear time, therefore no sequence, everything (past present future) happened at the same eternal moment. The human mind, in order to experience, puts a seeming cause and affect and therefore sequence to everything.
The unenlightened cant get this, the mind cant, there is no reference point for it.

The enlightened state is testified to be non-locational-- where ever intention is focused that where the "experience" is.
In essence everything is of the same One. The I am That is everywhere.
The "I am That" is the space in which everything including the human experience occurs.
in the I am That is contained everything and I am contained in everything--there is only One self and that Self is within every stone, blade of grass, the sparrow the Sun the Cosmos all One entity expressing It Self in billions of ways, each way unique.

The Mystic can truthfully say--I am the Totality all of it.

So Chris is the Ocean and the wave and so is everything else--the smallest atom within me which is 99.5% empty space (Dark Matter= God) contains absolutely everything---what is separate from One without a second?

So that's my current understanding--- Im not saying Im right.

Chris

[johnf]

Posted by greybeard (here)
So that's my current understanding--- Im not saying Im right.

Chris

The only way I can make sense of this is with Bohm's ideas of enfolded and unfolded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicate_Order

All times, all consciousness is/are infinite, and undifferentiated.
The apparency of matter, universes, individual consciousness, etc arises with this focus of intention you mention above Chris.
I'm pretty sure I am not enlightened, but have had experiences that fit the sages descriptions of that state.
I think as long as there is a body, and other humans visible, the whole individual thing happens.
The body seems to be a lens for this experience, there may be finer bodies, finer worlds in the background of this one.

One is left to wonder, is there an infinite pause between all thoughts , all creations?

What is left?

The canned answer is consciousness, but with a silent awareness, what arises for us?

(Even though I like what I have written, I feel silly pretending to know anything about it. If it were not for Karen Richards asking stuff like this on her fb page, I may never have thought that.)

jf

[Wind]

Another amazing video from Alan Watts.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fcPWU59Luoc

And a new video from Mooji.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ijhSip3wY

You can read updates from Mooji on his Facebook page.

Awakening is not possible without duality, for the Self is ever perfect and therefore beyond the concept of awakening. It is the mind that awakens to its own true nature as pure awareness, and the awakening of the Self does not always happen in one whack. It is meant to be like that. There is a gradual merging of the ego-mind with the heart-mind or pure Self through the yoga of knowledge, and this expresses as the harmony of being. The mind has to slowly adjust to the atmosphere of the Self.

~ Mooji

[onawah]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ELRBvDz6YgU

[greybeard]

The Sacred Science Official Trailer

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RTVI8eI8eOU

[greybeard]

Let's talk TO each other not ABOUT each other
Rosaline's blog "Life and Relationships"

We spend so much time talking about each other instead of talking to each other! I read this somewhere recently and it got me thinking of all the times I have bitched about others or listened to others bitch about someone else without calling them out on it! I’ll say we spend so much time talking about each other there is little or no time to talk to each other. We talk around each other and expect that there will be some changes in the other's behaviour!

Assuming that when we talk about others behind their backs it is usually to criticise or say something negative about them, why is it so easy or easier to do so with others instead of speaking directly to the one concerned? Why do we find it easier to complain about each other’s behaviour and actions to others except to the person(s) actually involved in the action? I believe we would solve a lot more problems, and create better relationships if we could cultivate the habit of confronting one another with our perceived unacceptable behaviour and actions. If we learned to speak to the person(s) concerned about issues that concern them, we will be able to resolve the issue(s) there and then. Well, assuming that, there will be no sparks, accusations and counter accusations flying all over the place! At least the other person will be aware of what they are supposedly doing that annoys the other and will get the chance to give his/her own side of the story while the complainant will be able express his/her grievance directly to the accused.

Open and honest conversation is also quite therapeutic if we face it with an open mind. I find that my feelings towards the other person changes only temporarily when I don’t speak directly to them about an issue that involves them. If I am angry or unhappy with someone and speak to some other person about my discontent, I end up feeling guilty for talking behind their back and at the same time hope that they don’t get to know about it. At the same time I’ll be hoping that they change their behaviour towards me! But how is that going to happen when they are not even aware that I have a problem with them.

At work, colleagues sometimes expect new-comers to do their jobs perfectly yet would not directly tell them when they go wrong or fail to pick up the culture of the organisation straight away.
Yes, we don’t really expect that a person changes their ways of thinking and behaving by talking behind their back do we? Maybe we do! At least if we are honest, we expect the other person we are talking to about some other person to agree with and confirm our view of the other and possibly contribute some other evidence that corroborates our perception.

On the one hand, we are afraid to hurt the other person by telling them the truth as we see it. We are also scared of a full blown confrontation. So we decide to gauge the views of others neutral to the situation. If they agree with us that the person we are talking about is exactly the way we perceive them to be, we are happy and feel good about ourselves. That also convinces us that we were right all along and reinforces our belief that there is something wrong with the other person and they need to change.

On the other hand, assuming that we can make others change for us, the person being talked about cannot change if they do not even know what we are thinking and saying about them. Secondly, the people we are talking to will also be influenced in their perception of the one being discussed. It is quite difficult to listen to all the stories, good or bad, about someone and remain neutral in our behaviour towards them. One way or another our interaction with them will be influenced by what we have heard. We will end up using the frame of reference of others in our interactions with the person spoken about thereby ultimately limiting our experience to theirs.


Talking about each other is quite common in work situations where relationships are not so intimate. In the hope that their views would be accepted as the best option to take, managers and colleagues constantly talk past each other without listening to or allowing the other person to express their own thoughts and feelings.

It will be refreshing, if we could all make an effort to have a conversation with each other; a conversation where both parties are fully contributing to the discussion. A conversation where we allow each other to express their thoughts and feelings. This is the best way we can show respect for each other; the only way we can accept that we are different and therefore can think and feel differently about stuff.

Most of all, let's talk TO each other instead of ABOUT each other!

http://www.spiritualityta.blogspot.co.uk/

[greybeard]

I got a touch of nostalgia
This is one of my first posts on the original Avalon 14.12.2009.


"The ego is not the enemy and was necessary to our survival.
It was born out of the need to see this and that as seperate fom our true self. ie what is edible what is not, what leads to pleasure what leads to pain. What is dangerous to us.
Unforunately the useful servant became a bad master.

In short it is a seperation device.
It grows stronger by percieving an enemy.
It would die for its point of view.
All wars come out of a difference of opinion.
I am right therfore you must be wrong is typical of the egoic thought.


In symplicity the ego is just self buying into and believing in the me story in the head.

Ego is all belief systems all programing all positionality.

The moment a position is held its an identification with an illusion.

its ok to have a point of view but its a mistake to believe that it is more valid than other possible points of view.

What is left when the ego is transcended?
Enlightenment is what is left.
An egoless state."

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Anchor was one of the first to post on the thread he wrote.

"Here is my starter for you - one way of many of looking at it. The ego is from the part of my mind that thinks "I", typically it only exists while the clock is ticking.

Transcending it requires the removal of the clock ticking - no past, no future, no ego, just the moment.
Last edited by Anchor; 12-14-2009 at 11:13 AM."
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Carmen wrote

Im interested in your thread greybeard. I understand the ego to be the same as the personality cut off from the spiritual Self. In 'cut off' I mean unaware.

Cheers

Carmen"

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So there you go not much changes.

Chris

[minkton]

Posted by greybeard (here)
This may or may not be helpful.

From a deep spiritual teaching point of view there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that in the enlightened state there is to time, no space, no linear time, therefore no sequence, everything (past present future) happened at the same eternal moment. The human mind, in order to experience, puts a seeming cause and affect and therefore sequence to everything.
The unenlightened cant get this, the mind cant, there is no reference point for it.

The enlightened state is testified to be non-locational-- where ever intention is focused that where the "experience" is.
In essence everything is of the same One. The I am That is everywhere.
The "I am That" is the space in which everything including the human experience occurs.
in the I am That is contained everything and I am contained in everything--there is only One self and that Self is within every stone, blade of grass, the sparrow the Sun the Cosmos all One entity expressing It Self in billions of ways, each way unique.

The Mystic can truthfully say--I am the Totality all of it.

So Chris is the Ocean and the wave and so is everything else--the smallest atom within me which is 99.5% empty space (Dark Matter= God) contains absolutely everything---what is separate from One without a second?

So that's my current understanding--- Im not saying Im right.

Chris

I have experienced this reality. Just for a while. Then back to linear duality.

What I wonder about, is the living in this reality. Actually how it is, what it is like.
Do you know anecdotal evidence, Chris, about this juxtaposition of the mundane and the supra reality?

[minkton]

PS! The sacred science film looks to be really interesting stuff.

[greybeard]

Posted by minkton (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
This may or may not be helpful.

From a deep spiritual teaching point of view there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that in the enlightened state there is to time, no space, no linear time, therefore no sequence, everything (past present future) happened at the same eternal moment. The human mind, in order to experience, puts a seeming cause and affect and therefore sequence to everything.
The unenlightened cant get this, the mind cant, there is no reference point for it.

The enlightened state is testified to be non-locational-- where ever intention is focused that where the "experience" is.
In essence everything is of the same One. The I am That is everywhere.
The "I am That" is the space in which everything including the human experience occurs.
in the I am That is contained everything and I am contained in everything--there is only One self and that Self is within every stone, blade of grass, the sparrow the Sun the Cosmos all One entity expressing It Self in billions of ways, each way unique.

The Mystic can truthfully say--I am the Totality all of it.

So Chris is the Ocean and the wave and so is everything else--the smallest atom within me which is 99.5% empty space (Dark Matter= God) contains absolutely everything---what is separate from One without a second?

So that's my current understanding--- Im not saying Im right.

Chris

I have experienced this reality. Just for a while. Then back to linear duality.

What I wonder about, is the living in this reality. Actually how it is, what it is like.
Do you know anecdotal evidence, Chris, about this juxtaposition of the mundane and the supra reality?

Hi Minkton cant give an answer from personal experience.
You could ask Tim on his thread https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post701463

or PM him.

Adyashanti talks a lot about abiding and non abiding awakening--- also about what happens after enlightenment.
Piratebay has his talks.
Also here---free.
http://www.adyashanti.org/

Hope this helps.
Chris

[greybeard]

Welcome to the 2013 Sacred Science Free Screening!
This email contains important information about how to view the film during the 10 days it will be available -- as well as the special additional events that we have planned for you!
1. How to Watch the Film:
From October 7th to October 17th, you will have unlimited access to view The Sacred Science film, as well as a bunch of bonus videos.
Between the dates above, click on either of the links below to watch the movie:
http://www.thesacredscience.com/screening_watchnow
http://www.thesacredscience2.com/screening_watchnow
If you click on this link BEFORE the free screening starts, you will see a countdown timer that will tick down until the start of the screening.
2. How to Enjoy Our Event Special Interviews:
In addition to the online screening, we have a special lineup of experts who will be speaking in depth about the ancient healing techniques used in the film.
Throughout the 10 day event, these award winning authors, nutritionists, and healers will be giving you tips on how to bring these powerful practices into your life.
Reminders for these interviews will be sent to you by email on the day they air.
3. Below is The Entire Event Schedule:
October 7th: Free Screening Begins!
October 9th: Dr. Gabor Mate, Bestselling Author of "When The Body Says No"
October 11th: Daniel Vitalis, Wild Food Nutritionist
October 13th: Dr. Lissa Rankin, Bestselling Author of "Mind Over Medicine"
October 15th: Tahnahga Yako, Ojibwe Medicine Woman
October 16th: Tristan Truscott, QiGong Master
October 17th: Live Q and A + Last Day of Free Screening!
4. Recap!
- The links to view the film screening page are:
http://www.thesacredscience.com/screening_watchnow
http://www.thesacredscience2.com/screening_watchnow
- This screening will be available between October 7th-17th.
- We'll be sending you reminders about the other special event interviews as they come closer.
A warm thank you from The Sacred Science team!
Enjoy,
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Thanks to Heart2hearth for this.

Chis

[greybeard]

Anita Moorjani--- one of the clearest detailed account of NDE.
AND miraculously her cancer, which manifest lemon sized growth on her body, cleared without any trace or remnant of the severe illness which included imminent organ failure.

Her videos and audio’s to be found on her web site, well worth a visit.

http://anitamoorjani.com/

[greybeard]

The Law of the Mind
By Beverly Blanchard via beverlyblanchard.blogspot.ca, 19 September 2013 (Thanks Connie)

"Let your mind start a journey thru a strange new world. Leave all thoughts of the world you knew before. Let your soul take you where you long to be...Close your eyes let your spirit start to soar and you'll live as you've never lived before." – Erich Fromm


The Law of the Mind identifies the need to bring harmony to all aspects of the mind and to learn to operate through the part of the mind which is influenced by the Universal Consciousness. As the mystics down through the ages have said, man and the Cosmic Intelligence or God’s mind are one; and it is this mind that is influenced by your thoughts and speech. The problem is man spends his time in words and thoughts which provide a negative return on its investment.


Your mind is not a single entity, and in reality it is comprised of quite a few minds. It is these fragmentary parts of the mind that keep you locked into a false sense of reality. Through the use of your own mind, you tend to operate schizophrenically on the outer edge of your life believing that the facts presented to you throughout the day are reality. It is why in the morning you awaken full of love and by the evening you are filled with unloving thoughts if not downright anger.

You have allowed the influences of the day to direct your thinking and stimulate your imagination. In other words, you are using your imagination toward the negative. For some people, the constant dialoguing within their mind keeps them either locked into a pattern of spending time worrying about the future that is not, or rehashing the past that is gone.

If you do not learn to control your mind, you become a slave to it and where you place your focus becomes your reality. Since your reality is created through your thoughts and speech, it is important to identify what mind you are feeding throughout your day. Is it the ego mind? The one that keeps you addicted to your emotional programming.

The mind which is busily trying to protect you by automatically triggering your security fears, sensation longings or power grabs. Is it the rational mind? The one that attempts to support the ego by furnishing all the reasons why you are right and another is wrong. Why things cannot be done? Why you need to lower your standards? Why logic is the only way to look at things? Neither of these minds takes a break, and when left to their own devices they lead you down the road of unhappiness because you relinquish the responsibility for your own thinking.Our ego and rational minds process, manipulate, suppress, change and distort our reality by giving us false judgments about how we should or should not operate in this world.

Often these judgments are based on other people’s rules and opinions, or things we read or hear in the media. Throughout the day we never take the time to determine if these events or beliefs are actually relevant to our lives. Instead we allow them to circulate through our minds on a continuous loop never realizing it is those thoughts that are creating our world.It is important to understand the role of the ego and the rational mind. It is equally important to not allow them to be in the driver’s seat since both influences our imagination. You must become conscious of your thoughts on a moment to moment basis and prune those thoughts that are not in your highest interest. Speech is the image of the mind and mind is the image of Cosmic Consciousness. Your imagination is like the projection screen and the thoughts you are thinking are continually creating your movie. Are your thoughts conscious or are you allowing your inner dialogues to run amuck?

Continue to the full article here,
http://www.beverlyblanchard.blogspot...w-of-mind.html


Thanks to Transient info

http://www.transients.info/2013/10/t...mind.html#more

[Wind]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_xeukQogLNg

Zmar Silent Retreat, Portugal, 12th September 2013, Session 2

Because of the relationship with the mind and the identity
you came to accept identity like it's a fact;
but, it is fiction.

[greybeard]

Ramana Maharshi talk 198
Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi


D.: What is Guru’s Grace? How does it work?
M.: Guru is the Self.
D.: How does it lead to realisation?
M.: Isvaro gururatmeti ... (God is the same as Guru and Self ...). A
person begins with dissatisfaction. Not content with the world he
seeks satisfaction of desires by prayers to God; his mind is purified;
he longs to know God more than to satisfy his carnal desires. Then
God’s Grace begins to manifest. God takes the form of a Guru and
appears to the devotee; teaches him the Truth; purifies the mind by his
teachings and contact; the mind gains strength, is able to turn inward;
with meditation it is purified yet further, and eventually remains still
without the least ripple. That stillness is the Self. The Guru is both
exterior and interior. From the exterior he gives a push to the mind
to turn inward; from the interior he pulls the mind towards the Self
and helps the mind to achieve quietness. That is Grace.
Hence there is no difference between God, Guru and Self.

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Maharshi said: There is only one consciousness. But we speak of
several kinds of consciousness, as body-consciousness, Self-
consciousness. They are only relative states of the same Absolute
consciousness. Without consciousness, time and space do not exist.
They appear in consciousness. It is like a screen on which these
are cast as pictures and move as in a cinema show. The Absolute
consciousness is our real nature.

[truthseekerdan]

I'm honored to post this "spiritual" documentary on this great tread for my friends, (Chris and they know who they are :-) -- and all other truth seekers that visit here regularly.

The documentary is split in 4 parts. Parts 3 & 4, are recommended by me for many to start with first however, everybody is encouraged to see parts 1 & 2 also. Hope this will awaken more souls… :-)

Much Love & Namaste

Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds

http://www.awakentheworld.com/

Part 3: The Serpent and the Lotus

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yNEruEsb5T4

Part 4: Beyond Thinking

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qmL4CeTENtw

Here is the playlist for all parts:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aXuTt...E5F0D70B62BEFE

[greybeard]

Hi Dan
good to see you posting here.
Im downloading these two.
Thanks
Your friend
Chris