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    Default Re: Dutchsinse and others approached by the White Dragon Society

    White DRAGONS, red DRAGONS, black DRAGONS, DRACOS

    Is anybody seeing that we are talking about FAMILIES here. That we are under the Dracos reptilian or the White Dragons reptilians, because they are, no doubt about it, what difference does it make, we are still put into energies slavery. Where is the freedom in this? Where is the development of the human soul?

    2 reptilians factions fighting for the lordship of the earth, let them fight together as much as they want and let us have no part into it.

    I just wish we were left alone, I just wish we were brighter and more aware, us humans

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    Default Re: Dutchsinse and others approached by the White Dragon Society

    Un = cabal

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    Oops, I meant

    UN = CABAL
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    Default They offered Dutchsince the world!

    OMG! Have you heard Dutchsince's latest video? He has discovered that something strange is seriously about to happen. He was offered a huge amount of money, as well as diplomatic immunity for what they would ask him to do for them. Hear it in his own words:



    I'm glad to say that Dutch has too much honor and integrity to be part of this. As tempting as all this will be....don't fall for it.

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    Default Re: They offered Dutchsince the world!

    Hi Maia,

    This is also being discussed in the Current Events forum. It's up to 3 pages already so there's some interesting opinions, check it out!

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Dragon-Society

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    Well, the Chair of St Peter has been given over, and the trustee of all the people now holds the trust, all debt have been forgiven, the OPPT and the White Dragon Society now want to show immunity...

    Where have we heard this before? ... while Jim McBride is in jail? Tim Turner is serving sentence in Federal Prison, or is he drinking Mai Tai's on a beach somewhere with Hitler and Elvis?

    Sovereignty, true sovereignty is not something which can be given to you in trust, by any organization. It is an empowerment one engages within when one decides NOT to operate within the corrupt system of commerce with the corrupt fiat notes and the corrupt corporatocracy.

    Try it. Wake up tomorrow and DON'T buy or use anything produced by this system of corruption. See how well you do.
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    Default Re: Dutchsinse and others approached by the White Dragon Society

    Lisa M. Harrison became or is involved with oppt. I stopped looking at her
    website, is it the same thing I wonder,again Zen Gardner wrote a piece about them ages ago, pointing out some symbolism.

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    Quote Posted by Artworks (here)
    Lisa M. Harrison became or is involved with oppt. I stopped looking at her
    website, is it the same thing I wonder,again Zen Gardner wrote a piece about them ages ago, pointing out some symbolism.
    Thanks, this is worth a look. http://www.zengardner.com/oppt-illuminati-occult-ties-revealed -- OPPT Illuminati & Occult Ties Revealed
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    My Norton Antivirus just blocked an 'intrusion attempt', a 'suspicious executable download' when I visited the above link - download from attacking computer hc0t1.diwalipearl.biz

    later edit : I did view source and not find this source, and it did not occur when I re-visited link. My norton history made clear it was a web-attack, not an email, but since I can't repeat it perhaps it was from and ad served on some other page in my browser tabs.
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    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    My Norton Antivirus just blocked an 'intrusion attempt', a 'supicious executable download' when I visited the above link - download from attacking computer hc0t1.diwalipearl.biz
    Looking into it right now.

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    A conversation with Ben Fulford about the OPPT and Dutchsinse...
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    In the interest of complete transparency regarding the ever increasing attempt to conflate the OPPT (which is a reconciled trust in any case - HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO REPEAT THAT?) with the actions of Swissindo.

    I am publishing this conversation with Ben Fulford regarding the recent Dutchsinse video claiming the OPPT asked him to sign an oath in exchange for huge sums of money. The OPPT simply isn't doing that. Whomever is doing that, is not the OPPT. It could very well be Swissindo (that has yet to be confirmed) and those in the alternative media they recruited secretly as an advisory council (under nondisclosure agreements) from the volunteers who had been working for the OPPT in the first part of the year. This has been unfolding for a number of months, at least since April.
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    Default Re: Dutchsinse and others approached by the White Dragon Society

    The story is not on the front page link now - this link gets it

    http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2...n-fulford.html
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    Default Re: Dutchsinse and others approached by the White Dragon Society

    I am a bit surprised how out of the loop Avalon has been on OPPT. Maybe others have been following it, but are just less vocal here. I realize that might be me also, so I decided to point folks to some of the info that I am aware of.

    I encourage everyone to go back take a closer look at it, for all the discussions and material that was available for the past 10 months before this dutchsinse video. It was brought out in discussion in about January 2013. There is a lot of good material and many discussions were posted on the net answering a lot of questions that many folks here seem to be just beginning to mull over, so please go catch up.

    OPPT is not an organization, or a faction, or any other hierarchical structure. OPPT was a tool, or a process.

    Anyone claiming it has leaders, or that they represent OPPT as some type of faction has no true understanding of it, or thinks that you don't either, and so might take an opportunity to spread dis-info about it, or muddy the waters to make it look like more of the old system.

    In a nutshell, there were 3 attorneys who were experts in UCC law (that Jordan Maxwell often talks about, as well as sovereign citizen enthusiasts) that worked at the forefront of the banking system. They were very experienced in the technical workings of UCC and had much court experience with cases, judges, etc. Heather Tucci-Jarraf, one of these attorneys began to "wake up" to a lot of corruption with mortgages and the paper trails I believe around 2008. She did more research and uncovered rampant corruption. She realized the entire global financial system was corrupt and was basically a debt slavery system operating from the highest levels, with all the mid and lower levels, including the population at larger, were under the illusion that it was legitimate.

    I know for Avalon folks that is not news, but this was someone who went through the discovery process from inside the system as an expert attorney in UCC technology and experience. And, Heather and the other two attorneys wanted to actually do something about instead of look the other way. She researched the processes and used her own home as a litmus test of how the system works and how to beat it. She let her home intentionally go to foreclosure in order to have the court battle with the judges, banks, and other attorneys to find the weak points and develop a strategy. She realized that battling the banks and courts with UCC was very difficult and peeled back many layers. She realized that the key to beating the corrupt global financial system of the cabal was to use their own UCC system against them, and to invoke the Creator as the highest authority.

    The idea was to force the system to either rebutt their UCC filings, (which were unrebuttable, based on the systems own corruption, it could not prove that any loans or mortgages are legitmate), or not rebutt the UCC filings. Not rebutting to the charges in UCC means that they now stand as law. You can go and find these filed documents yourselves. The 3 attorneys formed a Trust in the name of everyone on the planet with the authority of the Creator itself, where the attorneys were only Trustees or glorified secretaries in a way. That is OPPT, which foreclosed on all the global corrupt organizations, IMF, UN, Vatican, all the corporations masquerading as governments such as US, UK, etc... all of them, have been foreclosed on and technically are no longer legitimate, as a matter of law - the very law they used to enslave us, has been used to shut them down.

    OPPT was used for this process to free humanity from the global debt slavery system. OPPT was a temporary tool to legally declare us all free because we are the value - We are the Value - not any imaginary money system or debt. It is we who work, produce, and provide services, create infrastructure. OPPT was a first step to not only free humanity from debt slavery, but as a stepping stone on a way to a world where we no longer need money. People will exchange their value. Currently money is a representation of this, but the old system was non transparent and parasitic. The new value system should seek to be fully transparent and based on the people's value without banks to skim off interest and suck the life out of society.

    At any rate, I just wanted to make an attempt to summarize for PA folks what has been a complex story and series of events. In no way can I do it justice, or connect all the dots for you in a quick post here, but I hope you can take a deeper look at the information to find out what it really is, and why some dis-info agents might seek to discredit it in that alternative community. There is much more technical info, documentation, discussions since Jan 2013, etc that you would need to fill in the gaps and understand the story of OPPT and where we are right now, which is beyond it.

    Here is some helpful information to catch up. There are plenty more resources, as well as developments since, but I just wanted to highlight a few.

    http://understandingtheoppt.info/whatisoppt.shtml

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/140661772/...l-Announcement

    http://i-uv.com/oppt-absolute/origin...t-ucc-filings/

    http://i-uv.com/oppt-absolute/
    http://i-uv.com/oppt-absolute/oppt-tools/oppt-faq/

    Paradigm Report:
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/118067922/...RF-SWITZERLAND

    Summary by Bob Wright:


    First discussions on it:


    Interview with Heather:


    Discussions with Santos Bonacci and Lisa Harrison:
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    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that OPPT doesn't make any sense at all. Certainly it's not going to have any legal impact, cancel any debts, or whatever.

    They start talking about the UCC as if it is some sort of secret system that only the insiders know about. But it's just not. It's an effort to harmonize the law of sales and other commercial transactions in all 50 states within the United States of America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Commercial_Code

    There's no magic there at all. It doesn't even apply outside the US.

    As for OPPT, there are lots of complicated words that seem to make sense, but really, it doesn't actually connect with the real, everyday, world at all. Fine; there are plenty of mystical systems which may be closer to absolute reality than the conventional reality most people live in. But let's not pretend that OPPT is anything more than a fiction or a metaphor. Just one example, one of the links says "In 2012, the Trustees lodged a complex series of filings with the UCC on behalf of its Beneficiary, the One People." But the UCC is a set of laws - a set of books. You can't lodge any filings with the UCC, unless you are talking about putting extra pages in a book (!). None of it actually stands up.

    Happy to be proven wrong, but let's try and be specific about what this thing is.

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    @ ARC

    I think a few of us here are miffed at what occurred with the Drake debacle a while back and for that reason many people here on PA are quietly watching

    Fulford has done himself no favors with his recent news letters and videos.

    I haven't heard much from Neil Keenan as of late.

    Thanks for posting all the OPPT vids.
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    Quote Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that OPPT doesn't make any sense at all. Certainly it's not going to have any legal impact, cancel any debts, or whatever.

    They start talking about the UCC as if it is some sort of secret system that only the insiders know about. But it's just not. It's an effort to harmonize the law of sales and other commercial transactions in all 50 states within the United States of America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Commercial_Code

    There's no magic there at all. It doesn't even apply outside the US.
    UCC does apply outside USA.

    Is UCC being used in Australia? Absolutely, yes, although it is not called UCC. Most Australian lawyers have never heard of UCC and even the few who have will argue that UCC does not apply in Australia. Their assertion is incorrect. To use a car analogy, in USA they had the Volkswagen Rabbit which was renamed the Volkswagen Golf for the Australian market. Our local version of the UCC is just the beginning, a taste, if you like, or the UCC’s foot in Australia’s door.

    Detailed article about UCC in Australia: http://sites.thomsonreuters.com.au/j...Drinkwater.pdf
    Australian Government Personal Property Securities Register: http://www.ppsr.gov.au/AbouttheRegis...s/default.aspx
    Personal Property Securities Act 2009: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2013C00268

    Similar laws/systems are in place in NZ and other countries - I suspect all or most other countries that are registered as corporations on the US Securities and Exchange Commission.

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    You can't lodge any filings with the UCC, unless you are talking about putting extra pages in a book (!). None of it actually stands up.

    Happy to be proven wrong, but let's try and be specific about what this thing is.
    Every state in the US has a public document repository where anyone can file documents. The banksters file liens in UCC all the time.

    Below are several examples of public document repositories. You can find many others if you put your minds to it.
    http://www.azsos.gov/business_services/ucc/
    http://www.sos.ca.gov/business/ucc/
    https://www.sos.state.co.us/ucc/
    http://www.floridaucc.com/UCCWEB/
    http://www.sec.state.ma.us/cor/corpw...cc/uccmain.htm
    http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7...851---,00.html
    http://www.sos.state.mn.us/index.aspx?page=89
    http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/ucc/
    http://www.dos.ny.gov/corps/uccfaq.html
    http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/ucconline/f?p=131:1:
    https://fortress.wa.gov/dol/ucc/
    http://publicrecords.onlinesearches....CC-Filings.htm
    http://www.sos.wv.gov/business-licen...WhatisUCC.aspx
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    OK, Cjay, I have spent some time looking at these links. I can see that there is some sort of system for registering security, so if A grants B security for a loan, then B can register it publically. I don't think it applies to security over property, at least in Australia. But anyway. My point is that this is no big deal. UCC doesn't create any debt, make us all slaves, or anything. Most of us go through our whole lives without being affected in the slightest by UCC in the US or its equivalent systems in Australia and elsewhere.

    The problem I have with OPPT is that first of all it tries to make a big deal out of UCC when there is no big deal - but the big problem is the huge jump it makes to these huge statements about setting up a trust for all of humanity, and similar. Like the statement you made in passing "I suspect all or most other countries that are registered as corporations on the US Securities and Exchange Commission" - unless I am missing something, no countries are registered as corporations, on the SEC or anywhere else. Actually the SEC is only for public companies, the company would have to be registered as a company somewhere else first, and then register with the SEC, but that is a small point.

    I know the OPPT websites are full of information about the US as a corporation, or other countries as a corporation, but I don't see it. If they were, they would have to be registered in a country, and then it would be public knowledge, they would have to file annual accounts every year, have directors, shareholders, all that. Unless they are some super duper sort of secret corporation which nobody knows about? Which just reminds me of the whole "NESARA was passed in secret" thing which I don't think anyone believes any more.

    I'm not being negative, OPPT seems to have laudable aims. It just doesn't make any sense. Happy to be enlightened if I am missing something.

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    Default Re: Dutchsinse and others approached by the White Dragon Society

    The UCC is the "Uniform Commercial Code" which defines what a negotiable instrument is, who has rights as the holder, what a security is, etc. It was designed to make commerce and the transactions of commerce uniform.

    Many sovereigns in the last few decades have tried to use the UCC to lay claim to their corporate entity (strawman) by filing a UCC 1 and therefore, lay claim to the security which was created at the time they signed the note for their mortgages, and also all other debt. So far that has not worked out too well as far as I can tell. Those who try to stand completely outside the system of commerce find that they cannot function.

    Yet, I think we can all agree that there is only credits and debits which are debt instruments moving though commerce maturing for their eventual return to the Fed, and one can only create or discharge a credit or a debit in a dual entry accounting system and determine which side of the ledger one is obligated or not. That is really the only issue.

    Everything on this planet is entrusted to all of us, and those who wish to lay claim to stuff as owners are making a fallacious claim to tangibles which cannot be owned. Nothing "can" be owned, only your own sentience of your soul.

    So, using the UCC to claim creditor status may move you to the other side of the ledger if you can prove you are the holder in due course, but the instruments are the same and are still fiat, still created by the Fed, still tracked by CUSIP through their movement through commerce to their eventual maturity and return to the Fed, and we still own nothing.

    So, the OPPT claim that we are the creditors, that we are the beneficiaries of the trust, and that we are entitled to the benefit derived from the trust, is all true, but it is not something which we develop or lay claim to through the corrupt system of commerce which is currently in place.

    We lay claim to our status by our actions, how we husband and respect the trust which is this earth, by how we choose to not rape and pillage the earth, by how we remove ourselves as much as possible from the corrupt cannibalizing system of commerce codified in the UCC.

    It's not magic or rocket science. Its common sense.
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    Default Re: Dutchsinse and others approached by the White Dragon Society

    Thanks gripreaper, I appeciate where you are coming from, but here's the thing. When you say "Everything on this planet is entrusted to all of us, and those who wish to lay claim to stuff as owners are making a fallacious claim to tangibles which cannot be owned. Nothing "can" be owned, only your own sentience of your soul.", I agree with you totally. Where the problems comes for me is going from "Everything on this planet is entrusted to all of us" to something like, there is a legal trust set up by OPPT which actually reflects this.

    The "planet entrustment" is far bigger than any legal trust or any document, it has to do with the planet itself being conscious, with our multidimensional origins and our incarnation on this planet.

    It doesn't make any sense to reduce this to a legal trust. It also doesn't make any sense for OPPT to maintain that the "trust" they have established - which IMHO is only a metaphor for a greater truth - actually fits with, or interfaces in any sense with, the conventional legal system and the law of trusts, etc. It doesn't. I still don't understand why OPPT is saying that this metaphor has any legal impact or can be registered.

    Why are they so bothered about making this metaphor relevant to a limited and corrupt system? By the way, I don't think that UCC itself is the main problem in the financial/legal system, since most people go through their whole lives without being affected by it - far larger problems are, for example, debt-as-money, fractional reserve banking, oppressive taxation, fiat currency issuance, rule by the 1% for the 1%, etc.

    Another tangential point - "Many sovereigns in the last few decades have tried to use the UCC to lay claim to their corporate entity (strawman) by filing a UCC" - I have not seen a single example of such a sovereign corporate entity filed with the UCC or otherwise and would be interested to do so. Since the UCC relates to contracts and security and is not a corporate registry, it would be the wrong place to try and register a corporate entity in any case.

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