Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people

[minkton]

Posted by donk (here)
I did not mean to creat conflict on the thread, I apologize, I thought my concerns were relevant and important to the subject, I will take them somewhere and let the discussion continue on topic and without conflict.

hey donk. no desire to boot you out. just to explain the process of what's going on so it could be more productive for all.
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[Roisin]

I think Bill Ryan has an exceptional ability too that maybe he doesn't talk about much, if at all... and yes, I'm talking about THAT Bill Ryan.

This is what happened. One time I contacted Paul about a tech. matter here having to do with a silly posting snafus. Then after Paul looked into it and so on, Bill contacted me to basically reiterate what Paul was saying about it. But Bill also, conversationally added that he was doing a marathon watch of that Sci-Fi show called Firefly where he added that he thought the show was great.

Well, it just so happened, that at the time when I got that PM from Bill, I was watching Firefly too!

Was this a coincidence? Or something more? Considering that the main topic of that PM had to do with that other matter, how is it that Bill decided to tag on that "off-topic" comment about Firefly?

Many times when something like that happens, it ends up looking like a synchronicity when it may in fact have been an unconscious psychic impression masquerading as a tag-on comment that someone just thought to say at that moment just for the heck of it.

I think that's what happened in this case too. Bill's unconscious mind was picking up that I was watching Firefly and that's why he spontaneously tagged-on that last sentence in that PM that he was going through a marathon watching of that show. His unconscious mind was picking up that I was watching that show, which is one that he really likes, at the time when he sent me that PM.

[Chester]

Posted by donk (here)

free will + awareness 'trumps' free will
choice(s) on both sides of the equation

Agreed. And I find it concerning.

So now I am asking: what are the consequences of using your awareness to impose on another's will? Of exercising your free will in that manner where your awareness trumps their free will?

My take on that is this -

At each and every new moment is infinite possibilities.

Those who chose (in their deepest consciousness) robust and abundant Life, will experience continuation and in the most wonderful ways. Those who choose less will have more difficulties. Perhaps it is possible one might choose to end. Why not?

Those who lean the other way will find themselves in a reality that terminates.

I also sense that Life, Herself, has a dog in this hunt.

Thus I make the odds that each of us Live eternally but do so through the reality we choose in our core being that begins with our initial, individual spark.

[Selene]

Posted by Donk
I think my language was relatively clear w1nfmill, and flash and Carmody were even clearer. And it seems no one wants to talk about it--that the responsibility that comes with great powers...a lot of people here seem to want to make that a "tangent" (I feel I understand you pretty well).

If I may, perhaps the crosstalk here – what I perceive as mutual miscommunication – is founded in an incomplete assumption about what “power” really is.

Most individuals with limited or ordinary personal power or autonomy (def: the ability to make self-governing choices, self-directing freedom and especially moral independence) envision personal power as something that can act against – or in spite of – the free will of others or the larger environmental circumstances of one’s life. The magic Sha-a-a-zam!, in other words: I.Want.What.I.Want and I.Want.It.Now, in spite of all other reality already achieved. They imagine that with greater power they can simply alter reality to suit their personal tastes.

And to some extent, this is true. Your life will ultimately turn out the way you always secretly expected it to. That’s your power of creation at work, accepting or ignoring certain “realities” in order to achieve your personal goals in this life. That’s fine. That’s why you are here.

But as your skills in working at higher levels of reality begin to grow, you very quickly learn that celestial power is real – and that using your skills to harness this (for whatever motive) has very wide ramifications, mostly unknown or unpredictable to you!

And what you do does come back to you. Oh, yes. You cannot influence reality without becoming influenced yourself. You cannot be an actor outside of the dimension within which you choose to act.

The nature of power transforms itself at higher and higher levels, so that the greater matrix of this universe in all its dimensions takes precedence over the petty human ego: the dimension from which most humans act or seek to act.

And so the ordinary ego – which wants “power” over the free will of others - will always be constrained by its own limited nature. That’s why some philosophers define dark, ego-centered activity as “service to self”, with the self meaning the ego. Such power can only grow in strength as the personal ego grows. And as the personal ego expands, so does its inherent weakness and fragility. That’s why those who choose to reinforce their own ego with power-seeking end up trapped by their own limited creations and must continually seek “higher power” from dark, limiting sources, demon-worship, “selling their soul” etc. It’s a trap that ends in soul-deadening limitation.

Escaping the limits of the ordinary human ego – whether with the motive of attaining greater “power” or not – can only be done via what mystics have taught for millennia: transcendence of the ego. Letting go. Surrender of the ego, surrender of the personal good in favor of the greater good (Aside: Did you know that the words ‘good’ and ‘god’ are etymologically related?) is the only way forward.

But from there, as you may already suspect, the definition of power and its purposes becomes rather different.

And the question, as it is presently viewed becomes irrelevant. The answer, in effect, lies in another form of understanding.

I wish I had a better way to explain this.

Regards,

Selene

[minkton]

You explained it fine Selene, I think it's understood that there is no way of living well without heart. It's natural: energy field, cosmic web, nobody escapes what they create.

[Roisin]

Like I said before, the level of introspection on those topics we are discussing in this thread is IMPRESSIVE indeed! Thanks for sharing Selene! Will bookmark that one!

[Roisin]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by donk (here)

free will + awareness 'trumps' free will
choice(s) on both sides of the equation

Agreed. And I find it concerning.

So now I am asking: what are the consequences of using your awareness to impose on another's will? Of exercising your free will in that manner where your awareness trumps their free will?

My take on that is this -

At each and every new moment is infinite possibilities.

Those who chose (in their deepest consciousness) robust and abundant Life, will experience continuation and in the most wonderful ways. Those who choose less will have more difficulties. Perhaps it is possible one might choose to end. Why not?

Those who lean the other way will find themselves in a reality that terminates.

I also sense that Life, Herself, has a dog in this hunt.

Thus I make the odds that each of us Live eternally but do so through the reality we choose in our core being that begins with our initial, individual spark.

Excellent observations and I'm strongly sensing that what you are saying here is absolutely true and will make a note of it because this is the kind of information that people need to remind themselves of every morning when they get out of bed to begin a new day.

[Carmody]

Posted by donk (here)
I'm "trolling" for information, playing the "mind game" of getting people who know to explain a basic idea to me--you can characterize my posts however you want, but all I'm doing is trying to learn and broaden the thread from "do they exist" to "if they exist...what then?"

Soooo...when is it ok for your exceptional ability to be used on another being? What excuses what I see as a violation of another's free will?

If someone made me sit down or anything, I would be upset...if I knew about it. So if the target of exceptional abilities is unaware, it is ok?

The externalization is the problem. The direction to be explored is one of incorporation after the understanding of it being real is 'brought home'.

IF..one is still proofing then one is not incorporating.

The metaphorical gun to be brought to the head or mind of psyche and ego, that has not happened.

The internal plan laid out to shift the self into something greater.

The fear, ego and externalization fights still, in the hidden recesses of the very idea of thought formation.

To reclaim conscious control of the formation and flow of self and reality integration. That is the starting point.


Enough words have been spoken, enough proofs have been given; all that remains is the disagreement in mental thought formation that arises from the autonomous ego function.


edit: These things found are not 'great powers'. They are merely the skills (read:can be likened to as a perceived difference) and techniques that we saw in parents and 'older people', when we were kids. Things we needed to grow into in order to understand them.

The minimal aspects of being of the same physical size as an 'adult' -- is not the adult stage. I have also come to firmly believe that this is just another layer of coming to an adult stage.

Similarly, objective reality, linear reality, mathematical reality, engineered reality, is just part of the adolescent stage. Another adolescence, one that now has to be recognized. Ie, understanding what was going on, simply due to a bit of reading and some awareness thrown at it..at the age of 12, I began the process of taking charge of my neural wiring formation.

To step past and out of 'duality mind', to drop the autonomous function of ego and such is the true adult stage for this 'human' avatar - Which in itself is another beginning.

I'm at a stage where I pass in and out of it, as we all do, in our own way. The trick is to get on that bike and ride it, consciously, not unconsciously.

[sheme]

Question ; If one was exceptional would one know it?

If one was average would one know it?

If one was below average would that not make them exceptional?

[Chester]

Posted by minkton (here)
You explained it fine Selene, I think it's understood that there is no way of living well without heart. It's natural: energy field, cosmic web, nobody escapes what they create.

I agree 100% that Selene explained it well and I also agree with her point. In fact, because I am not confident in my own moral base, I intentionally refrain from pursuing intentional magic. I hope one day I change my mind... perhaps once I have several years of continuous sobriety.

As an odds maker, I would make the continuation of Life a favorite as long as those who have developed their psi abilities use them for the good of all.

[Flash]

Posted by Selene (here)

Posted by Donk
I think my language was relatively clear w1nfmill, and flash and Carmody were even clearer. And it seems no one wants to talk about it--that the responsibility that comes with great powers...a lot of people here seem to want to make that a "tangent" (I feel I understand you pretty well).

If I may, perhaps the crosstalk here – what I perceive as mutual miscommunication – is founded in an incomplete assumption about what “power” really is.

Most individuals with limited or ordinary personal power or autonomy (def: the ability to make self-governing choices, self-directing freedom and especially moral independence) envision personal power as something that can act against – or in spite of – the free will of others or the larger environmental circumstances of one’s life. The magic Sha-a-a-zam!, in other words: I.Want.What.I.Want and I.Want.It.Now, in spite of all other reality already achieved. They imagine that with greater power they can simply alter reality to suit their personal tastes.

And to some extent, this is true. Your life will ultimately turn out the way you always secretly expected it to. That’s your power of creation at work, accepting or ignoring certain “realities” in order to achieve your personal goals in this life. That’s fine. That’s why you are here.

But as your skills in working at higher levels of reality begin to grow, you very quickly learn that celestial power is real – and that using your skills to harness this (for whatever motive) has very wide ramifications, mostly unknown or unpredictable to you!

And what you do does come back to you. Oh, yes. You cannot influence reality without becoming influenced yourself. You cannot be an actor outside of the dimension within which you choose to act.

The nature of power transforms itself at higher and higher levels, so that the greater matrix of this universe in all its dimensions takes precedence over the petty human ego: the dimension from which most humans act or seek to act.

And so the ordinary ego – which wants “power” over the free will of others - will always be constrained by its own limited nature. That’s why some philosophers define dark, ego-centered activity as “service to self”, with the self meaning the ego. Such power can only grow in strength as the personal ego grows. And as the personal ego expands, so does its inherent weakness and fragility. That’s why those who choose to reinforce their own ego with power-seeking end up trapped by their own limited creations and must continually seek “higher power” from dark, limiting sources, demon-worship, “selling their soul” etc. It’s a trap that ends in soul-deadening limitation.

Escaping the limits of the ordinary human ego – whether with the motive of attaining greater “power” or not – can only be done via what mystics have taught for millennia: transcendence of the ego. Letting go. Surrender of the ego, surrender of the personal good in favor of the greater good (Aside: Did you know that the words ‘good’ and ‘god’ are etymologically related?) is the only way forward.

But from there, as you may already suspect, the definition of power and its purposes becomes rather different.

And the question, as it is presently viewed becomes irrelevant. The answer, in effect, lies in another form of understanding.

I wish I had a better way to explain this.

Regards,

Selene

I wish I had your way of explaining it. Donk, my answer to your post following mine is here above, in Selene's post. I have nothing else to add.

Thanks Selene.

[Shezbeth]

Posted by donk (here)
I feel it is extremely useful to at least have disclaimers and discussions in discussion of this very REAL topic to point out that we are actually discussing the exact tools of intra-species predation

This, IMO, is one of the most important points expressed on this thread thus far. Things done in innocence, without malicious or malignant intent, can have disastrous effects. Perhaps learning this the hard way is preferable to some.

Look around the forum. How often is due responsibility expressed in various posts? The rules and regulations are there for everyone to see, yet I constantly find violations (some flagrant) of the mutually accepted terms and conditions.

If individuals are want to express a lack of responsibility in something as simple as a forum post, how is it negative, divisive, or disruptive to question the motives/entitlement of something far more onerous as mind-control, et al?

I emphatically disagree that language is insufficient to discuss such matters; That the appearance of inadequacy is a manifestation of an individual's inadequacy with the language! How many are want to check their usage of terminology, their understanding of syntax? Fluency refers only to the ease with which one is able to put words together; One can be fluent and sincere in their expression, yet still be talking gibberish to one with greater understanding.

I address those with/around children - how often is a child want to use a new toy, device, or whatever in a manner that is not conducive to anything beyond their individual gratification? Especially with young boys, how often is a new car/truck/robot used as a hammer on everything (plants, furniture, pets), and how often is the justification "I was only playing/having fun"? How many vases, windows, etc. have been destroyed by having fun?

Admittedly, some things have to be learned through experience, but that's what this thread is about - sharing experience along the lines of exceptional psychic abilities, not just sharing proofs. I see no harm in attempting to illustrate that there is a line between being comfortable and being responsible with such things.

I would suggest that the propensity to critically analyze motivations/consequences beyond a rudimentary level to be a most effective psychic ability. Thank you Donk for sharing, I look forward to more if you should be inclined to share.

[minkton]

Carmody...that is exactly the "trick" , isnt it....to stop falling asleep at the wheel. Have you spotted the points at which unconsciouness is triggered?

Think that the illusion of many choices is one saboteur that overwhelms with distraction that triggers temporary shutdown.

Has to be a good plan to get very clear about what are real possible choices and what are distractions, in any given situation.

Something infantilising about a display of offerings spread out before one...nothing true in oneself requires to be pandered to or to be offered excess. Modern life distracting the fool with shiny objects.

[jagman]

Last nights C2C ,George Knapp was hosting. Uri Geller was the guest and I thought that interview belonged on this thread.
Excellent interview!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sjUuqONmiZE

[Carmody]

Posted by minkton (here)
Carmody...that is exactly the "trick" , isnt it....to stop falling asleep at the wheel. Have you spotted the points at which unconsciouness is triggered?

A consensus universe, or 3d time-space manifestation. Relation is quantum coupling. Projection via the channel and filter of the hind-brain's co-creation of the structure.

The breakdown occurs when integrating with others. In any way, shape, or form.

It originates in one's deeper "Canted 'Kant Can't' Rant". (just having a bit of fun with wordplay)

To be truthful, just before I came to the forum and almost immediately read this thread, those four words, as an idea and bit of humour in wordplay...came to me. Yet, I've barely ever read or heard of Kant.

See how this works?

[onawah]

Hmmmm....if "the breakdown occurs when integrating with others", then would empaths be triggered more often than others, in that they are constantly connecting with others, taking in energy and impressions from others?
That seems logical, but I think there is a kind of abstract clarity and even a strength that results...one is constantly being reminded that all are connected, and that finally, All is One, even though being empathic can mean being receptive to a lot of egocentric, delusional thinking and emotions from others.
I think it's interesting that this thread is concurrent with the Empaths thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...?64221-Empaths

Posted by Carmody (here)


A consensus universe, or 3d time-space manifestation. Relation is quantum coupling. Projection via the channel and filter of the hind-brain's co-creation of the structure.

The breakdown occurs when integrating with others. In any way, shape, or form.

It originates in one's deeper "Canted 'Kant Can't' Rant". (just having a bit of fun with wordplay)

To be truthful, just before I came to the forum and almost immediately read this thread, those four words, as an idea and bit of humour in wordplay...came to me. Yet, I've barely ever read or heard of Kant.

See how this works?

[minkton]

Integrating with others Kan be done if the others are not other in frequency.

[Eram]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by minkton (here)
Carmody...that is exactly the "trick" , isnt it....to stop falling asleep at the wheel. Have you spotted the points at which unconsciouness is triggered?

北冥有魚，其名為鯤。鯤之大，不知其幾千里也。化而為鳥，其名為鵬。鵬之背，不知其幾千里也；怒而飛，其翼若垂天之雲。是鳥也，海運則將徙於南冥。南冥者，天池也。齊諧者，志怪者也。諧之言曰：

The breakdown occurs when integrating with others. In any way, shape, or form.

It originates in one's deeper "Canted 'Kant Can't' Rant". (just having a bit of fun with wordplay)

To be truthful, just before I came to the forum and almost immediately read this thread, those four words, as an idea and bit of humour in wordplay...came to me. Yet, I've barely ever read or heard of Kant.

See how this works?

C'mon Carmody, have mercy on the common men.

We'd like to understand what you write too you know?

[minkton]

eschew passive consumerism and allow tasks to be appropriate to skills.

carmody generously allowed space for research and for individual uncovering.. if we get given the whole cake, we will feel sick.

conversely, being fed too much cake makes those without a sweet tooth run for the hills.

[chocolate]

Just for all still interested in the nature of our super abilities , a fresh link to be explored: http://communities.washingtontimes.c...y0om8.facebook.
And I did love the Uri Geller talk. There were several videos posted some time ago which were also quite interesting.