Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
One person's divine revelation is another person's hallucination,....

when it comes to new age wisdom, blindness is contagious...

[Shezbeth]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
One person's divine revelation is another person's hallucination,....

when it comes to new age wisdom, blindness is contagious...

Critical scrutiny is the affair of open eyes.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
One person's divine revelation is another person's hallucination,....

when it comes to new age wisdom, blindness is contagious...

Critical scrutiny is the affair of open eyes.

without questions, there would be no need for answers...

[Shezbeth]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
One person's divine revelation is another person's hallucination,....

when it comes to new age wisdom, blindness is contagious...

Critical scrutiny is the affair of open eyes.

without questions, there would be no need for answers...

Without questions, there would be no use/point for answers.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
One person's divine revelation is another person's hallucination,....

when it comes to new age wisdom, blindness is contagious...

Critical scrutiny is the affair of open eyes.

without questions, there would be no need for answers...

Without questions, there would be no use/point for answers.

if teachers had no answers the questions would turn to silence...

[Shezbeth]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
One person's divine revelation is another person's hallucination,....

when it comes to new age wisdom, blindness is contagious...

Critical scrutiny is the affair of open eyes.

without questions, there would be no need for answers...

Without questions, there would be no use/point for answers.

if teachers had no answers the questions would turn to silence...

If that which is was interested in silence, there would be no existence.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
One person's divine revelation is another person's hallucination,....

when it comes to new age wisdom, blindness is contagious...

Critical scrutiny is the affair of open eyes.

without questions, there would be no need for answers...

Without questions, there would be no use/point for answers.

if teachers had no answers the questions would turn to silence...

If that which is was interested in silence, there would be no existence.

Confucianism followed Buddhism from questions left in silence...

[johnf]

This thread has gone into the light.

[Shezbeth]

The stream is obsequent to the river. The why is irrelevant.

[Violet]

I have noticed NDEs to be very different. Everybody sees the same thing in general, but in the end, different people will see different things.

What's going on? Good question.

[Rocky_Shorz]

We have all gathered at Avalon because the silence was deafening...

now back to the light...

[Shezbeth]

You're right John.

My point/opinion is simple. Any time one claims objective truth they render it subjectively true and objectively false.

[Rocky_Shorz]

all of the threads here at Avalon bring forward many perspectives, what might not ring true to you, means the world to others...

that's what makes it such an interesting and informative place for learning...

[Carmody]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I might be able to help answer this question that seems to be heavy on your mind...

when I was helping in solving missing children cases, on occasion, I would find the child's body, with their Spirit sitting beside it crying...

I would comfort them and let them know I would get them justice, and as the tears stopped, the light appeared for them to step into...

so I guess you need to be ready to go forward before it appears...

many cases, I wouldn't know the questions when we first met, but as it moved forward I would have questions and could step to Nirvana to talk with the child.

they were always there, with full memory of what they experienced in their past life...

so do I feel the white light is a trap?

absolutely not...

say your goodbyes to loved ones, you can always step back to visit, be at peace and step forward with no worries...

My experience is very similar, but to deal with the most difficult cases of damage. To intervene via overlay, where the vagaries of chance outcome... might make the accidental death one that is difficult to overcome. Not to be the crying child (your example), but for the being involved, the one in the moment and experience... be so far gone that there is nothing coherent with in them, coherent enough to be part of the 'soon to be' astral form.

This requires one to be in overlay, with the person or subject... in the moment of death itself, within them.

So, when I say I do not fear death, I do not. I don't like it any more than the next person, but it is not a show stopper. I help them (the dying) by stopping their coming death -their bodily image that is forming at this death point, I stop it from altering their ability to be a coherent astral form. I stop their body's interjection into being a component of overwhelming coloration.

My experience with the light, is thus, fairly direct, as I am blended with the being's flow and origin point, the body, the avatar..until the light comes for them. This light, it also has a sound.

The meaning of my earthly name is translated as meaning that I shelter the doorway/boundary to the kingdom of heaven. (seriously, I kid you not)

[Joe Akulis]

I would like to thank everyone who has jumped in to contribute to this thread. Many of my beliefs are based on the "try it on for size" method. I read something very insightful from a spiritual pioneer of any sort, and I try the information on. I'm still working towards my own evolution and still have no direct experience...YET.

So, I have a burning curiousity that maybe those of you who have direct experience of the other side could help me with.

Back in summer of 2011 Inelia Benz, on the Ascension101 website, attested to the "birth" of the new earth, i.e., a higher energy vibrational/4d or something version of Earth. And it appears that people who believe in this "solution" to Earth's problems, like Dolores Cannon and probably lots of others, are talking about how reincarnation and karma should no longer be a concern for us at this point in time. Even jimini has said some similar things here on Avalon. Inelia is talking about how the next few years are the time for us to raise our energy levels via a lot of inner clearing work, similar to the L. Ron Hubbard notion of clearing, or using meditation and removing blockages using different techniques. Supposedly, the ones who are successful will be able to comfortably migrate to the new earth. And those who are not comfortable at a higher level, (or can't stomach a lot of love?) will not get to stay. And then there's been lots of conjecture in various places about what will happen to those who can't make the jump, like living out another 3d cycle, but on a different planet because the 3d version of earth is going to soon be inhospitable.

The reason I bring this up is because I wanted to know if anyone else can see things happening on the other side of the veil to confirm any of this. The last few posts have relayed some very exciting information, but not sure if it's related to the new earth subject or not.

If Inelia is right, then it may render the whole tunnel of light discussion moot, if the entire astral plane surrouding 3d earth is about to be shipped somewhere else...

Any of this making any sense to anyone? Can anyone corroborate?

Seeker

[Rocky_Shorz]

I do understand crossing to other dimensions, but have never understood the "d"s 3-4-5-6-7

an Indigo voice in heaven sounds like a million angels singing at once, but I heard it from here...

so what really changes from a numbering scale?

afraid I'll bow out on this to let others answer...

[Flash]

I also heard that we did miss the bus this time around. We are still here because we missed the bus and have to wait for another one in order to have mass awakenings.

As Carmody said in another thread, maybe we can progress in groups, if we are not be get isolated for years, however, it seems the "group" would have missed the bus going there. Is that true or not?

In this case, we would have the light for a good while to come.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Carmody (here)

My experience is very similar, but to deal with the most difficult cases of damage. To intervene via overlay, where the vagaries of chance outcome... might make the accidental death one that is difficult to overcome. Not to be the crying child (your example), but for the being involved, the one in the moment and experience... be so far gone that there is nothing coherent with in them, coherent enough to be part of the 'soon to be' astral form.

I have seen that also in someone who died from an OD, if they can't walk through I surround myself in light and touch them and let them figure it out upstairs...

that is how I deal with most wandering spirits also, but dark entities come at me and when they hit the light they disappear...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Flash (here)
I also heard that we did miss the bus this time around. We are still here because we missed the bus and have to wait for another one in order to have mass awakenings.

As Carmody said in another thread, maybe we can progress in groups, if we are not be get isolated for years, however, it seems the "group" would have missed the bus going there. Is that true or not?

In this case, we would have the light for a good while to come.

I don't think there will ever be a point where earthlings reach the same level.

those who only believe what is written in "the book" will always be trapped in lower consciousness...

how many get a rush, just logging on to Avalon?

We have gathered here and as far as I can tell, Avalon has created it's own 11D for us to be a part of...

[Roisin]

I'm in daily contact with a group of spirits of loved ones and friends who have passed over via a combination of EVP and clairaudience. By that I mean, I will hear what they say to me via clairaudience in my EVP sessions only to hear what they just said on playback on the audio. They also talk to me outside of sessions too...

Naturally, since the early 90's which is when I first started recording EVP, my questions are always about what happens when we die and what their life is like now.
Here are just some of the things that I can think of at this moment, right off the bat, that they've said to me....

There is such a thing as reincarnation but it's not the way it's depicted in any of our world religions.

They call where they are at "Heaven"

People get married in the afterlife

They can read your mind and know what you're doing and can tell you what you're going to do even before you do it.

They live in houses and they showed me some of the place where they are living now via inner eye visions and lucid dreams.

They've seen Jesus, the BVM and angels but those ones reside in a realm separate from their own.

The main thing for us to do is to give up our addictions... before we die.

Love is the most important thing in our life.

Our families are the most important thing in our life.

When we die, many of us live in a "city" named after our surname. Those who dwell there are our family and ancestor's of that surname.

The operators of the evp transmissions who connect you to your main spirit contact are called Operators. I've talked to them many times over the years and they follow strict protocols. Like, for example, if I ask them any question about something they will simply tell me that they can't answer it and to ask my main spirit contact instead who is my deceased father.

If a deceased friend wants to talk to me, that person first has to get permission from either those operators who will then contact my father or some other relative to get that permission first before I talk to them. If the person is not a Christian, they will remind me that he/she is not a Christian.

My relatives in the "my surname City" are all Christians and only Christians are allowed there.

One time, the voice of an old high school friend of mine who killed himself contacted me and when I asked where he was, he said he was in Purgatory. He's the only one I know that ever said that's where he is now. As far as I know, he was not a Catholic but nevertheless, that's where he says he is now. I asked him if he's happy and he said that he was very happy now.

From what I gather, you will end up at a place with your family members who also share you same religion too. They are in a Christian heaven.

They said that others who believe in other religions have their own section of "heaven" or whatever they call it depending on what their belief system is/was.

Those human discarnates who are in the lower realms are called "demons".

Our ET visitors are from another planet.

They have a birds eye view of time so sometimes I can find out what's coming in the near future if they are willing to tell me something about that. I've gotten earthquake predictions from them from time to time, for example.

Well, I've got many, many folders of EVP recordings from over the years... but the bottom line is, there is life after death. Our loved ones are all around us and they watch over us.... all the time.