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    Quote Christian: I think the only way to prevent people from abusing the power of their office is to take away the power from the office. We don't need presidents, congress-men and all these people. They need us. Humanity has existed prior to politics, many systems have come and gone. And our current one; this too shall pass.
    I agree with this completely!

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    Default Re: REVOLUTION..Vibrant/provocative interview...Russell Brand interviewed by Jeremy Paxman BBC Newsnight....

    We must not get to carried away with Russell , but its all part of awakening
    people. His day job is comedian/actor and he would be an easy target by
    the mainstream, but its still encouraging this is his show in New York a
    couple of years ago. Not every ones cup of tea and is a bit over the top imo,
    but still a public figure prepared to put himself on the line like David Icke.

    Adult content strong language.....

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    Just one example to back up my previous post ...

    That video is a good example of manipulation. The suggestion is planted at the beginning and then some blurry footage is shown that is supposed to support what is said. I do not agree that Russell was shown doing anything extra-ordinary to manipulate Ms Perry.

    I'm not buying it. I have no doubt that Russell Brand will have "Illuminati" people trying to get close to him and attempt to control and discredit what he does. It seems to me that this video is another example.
    yes, it is important to understand that those who disrupt and break movements and motions, do it via the introduction of at least a minimal bit, a sliver of doubt.

    This is the method by which it is done. The breaking of the formation of consensus and action is done via the introduction of doubt, within the given camp. It does not have to be a big doubt..as a matter of act, that probably would not work. It is the little things, the slivers of doubt which stall movements and actions.
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    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)

    going back to Che, he famously said that a true revolutionary's greatest quality is one of love - love of fairness, equality, and humanity. the true revolutionary does whatever is necessary, whether it's firing a rifle or cooking a meal. a true revolutionary does what he does and advocates what he advocates for the sake of the whole, for the betterment of everybody - not just a select, elite few. which leaves only one pertinent question we should all be asking ourselves: does the current paradigm do the same? provide for the whole? the betterment of everyone? it's simple math (at least here in the US): we have the 1%, and we have the 99%. pretty simple. endless and eloquent talk of "ists" and "isms" cannot change the facts. it will not change who the real despots are.
    Che basically said that from inside the middle of a war. From being within the storm, to 'hold fast' and keep the correct orientation from within the eye of that particular hurricane..

    At this point, we need the spark, which is a totally different kettle of fish.

    And spark.. is a hoary, hairy and explosive affair, even at it's best.

    The genesis point, by it's very nature, will be incredibly messy.

    There is no reconciliation, there is no control, there is no balance, there is no organization, nothing. It's very point, as a beginning, as a start, a genesis...is to be totally out of control, as it cannot be anything else. Otherwise, it would never be.
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    Default Re: Russell Brand May Have Started a Revolution Last Night

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    And Russell, if you're reading this, write to me at bill@projectavalon.net! Everything there is seen by myself only.
    ... and Obama (courtesy of the ever helpful NSA)
    -- Let the truth be known by all, let the whole truth be known by all, let nothing but the truth be known by all --

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    Default Re: Russell Brand May Have Started a Revolution Last Night

    I'll take this opportunity to point out that,....

    Crony capitalism, government collusion, outright fascism, et al. are natural human responses to the glorious 'Free-market' capitalism that (some) people like to go on about being the solution/correction. Mind, when I say natural I am alluding to the idea that there is a multiple-spectrum response, of which fascism is a small percentage.

    Cronyism/whatever is - at it's core - a product of radical consolidation, which tends to be the affair of those with the 'most'.

    Quote Posted by gripreaper (here)
    The old: "If you don't like the way the politicians are running things, then go vote them out of office" is so absurd
    Excellent point. Let's not forget those laughing in our faces (AHEM John McCain) with tripe like "If you don't like it, run for office yourself." - as though the entire political system isn't (arguably) rigged to expel anyone who just might make meaningful difference (read: disrupt the status quo). I agree that through consistent ridicule, that which is ridiculous can be made apparent as BEING ridiculous after which, it can be mediated (yes, even by a dumbed-down, over-fluoridated population).
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    Default Re: Russell Brand May Have Started a Revolution Last Night

    a catalyst for sure , important to get things moving , it's easier to make adjustments along the way as the eyes begin to open en masse

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    I think comedians and musicians are a very viable way to get our messages out. Because it does not throw people into a confusion straight away.
    They get to hear a punch-line or a good riff. Once they get past the attraction to the piece they can hear and feel the words.

    A much more soothing way to get woken up don't you think?

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    Quote Posted by Shezbeth (here)
    I'll take this opportunity to point out that,....

    Crony capitalism, government collusion, outright fascism, et al. are natural human responses to the glorious 'Free-market' capitalism that (some) people like to go on about being the solution/correction.
    This is quite right. As someone who frequently advocates for free humanity I would also point out that the aforementioned can also be compared to a metastasized cancer on living tissue. How does one deal with cancer? By cursing the living tissue that allowed for the growth? By further determining that the living tissue itself is an epiphenomenon of the growth (which would be true) and therefore condemn the tissue? This is one solution, and a very costly solution in a holistic sense, but even so, this is still an allopathic remedy. That which truly causes the growth simply finds another host, even after you gouge out and kill the living tissue. Do we then double down and resolve to kill all living tissue in the body to avoid cancer? What about when the cancer engulfs an entire organ? Does one just kill or remove the organ from the body? That is also a solution. It just doesn't bode well for the overall health of the organism if the organ so happens to be vital for being, e.g. the heart or the lungs or the liver.

    Freedom is vital for the human spirit. Even though crony capitalism, government collusion, and outright fascism have all sprung from free systems, which indeed is an astute observation, there are solutions to preventing the metastases, in my humble estimation, that do not require force and the removal of freedom from the social order.
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    Default Re: Russell Brand May Have Started a Revolution Last Night

    Brand wrote eloquently and I would advise anyone who wishes to comment on his interviews to read his article:
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-on-revolution

    My previous observation on his position seems accurate and I view he has been on a mission of self discovery over many years. His speaking so eloquently, and most importantly with humour, might engage the disenfranchised, disempowered majority and waken the slumbering 99%.

    Even if only some come to the journey in my opinion this will be a victory.

    Quote To genuinely make a difference, we must become different; make the tiny, longitudinal shift. Meditate, direct our love indiscriminately and our condemnation exclusively at those with power. Revolt in whatever way we want, with the spontaneity of the London rioters, with the certainty and willingness to die of religious fundamentalists or with the twinkling mischief of the trickster. We should include everyone, judging no one, without harming anyone. The Agricultural Revolution took thousands of years, the Industrial Revolution took hundreds of years, the Technological Revolution took tens, the Spiritual Revolution has come and we have only an instant to act.
    ...
    But we are far from apathetic, we are far from impotent. I take great courage from the groaning effort required to keep us down, the institutions that have to be fastidiously kept in place to maintain this duplicitous order. Propaganda, police, media, lies. Now is the time to continue the great legacy of the left, in harmony with its implicit spiritual principles. Time may only be a human concept and therefore ultimately unreal, but what is irrefutably real is that this is the time for us to wake up.

    The revolution of consciousness is a decision, decisions take a moment. In my mind the revolution has already begun.
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    The only consequence is what we do."

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    Just as an update.
    I have never received anything from youtube before. Just now I received in my email suggesting the youtube video of Russel is viral by asking if I have viewed the most popular videos this week.
    Russel brand being in the top 3 videos.. the first one at 6,232,608 views..
    is it automated? or is it propaganda? if it is propaganda I like it this time it is the right stuff..

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    A few thoughts on Russell Brand.

    1. He is not advocating ‘legal plunder’: legal plunder is what we have already, and of course it is often far from legal anyway.

    2. If he were an Illuminati asset, then why are they shooting themselves in the foot like this, instead of literally shooting his mouth off? Answer: they are not in full control.

    3. The notion that to be a celebrity you just have to be an Illuminati asset is a carefully maintained instance of a necessary belief in the controllers’ control being absolute, which it is not. Such an idea is the result of extrapolation: what you don’t see is the same as what you see. Not true. Or the result of approximation: the majority, however vast, is not unanimity. In the days of the Soviet Union, a 98% vote was rightly seen as a serious lapse, even though 98% is 100% to the nearest 5%.

    4. It is in the very nature of the control system to foster strife: not black hats versus white hats but black hats versus black hats. The hierarchical structure is one of learning evil by having it inflicted on you from above until you yourself rise to those positions. The pyramid is a truncated one because you never reach the top: what looks like the top is the bottom of another pyramid. Which is why your hierarchies carry on up into extraterrestrial and other-dimensional levels. There is no end to the control. Until one walks away from the whole thing.

    5. Hence the need to remain grounded. Russell Brand has guest edited an issue of New Statesman. We can start by buying a copy, subscribing or making some other new statement, in other words casting the meaningful vote we don’t get to cast on election day. Let New Statesman know we want more of this kind of initiative. Things like this, found at http://www.newstatesman.com/staggers...and-guest-edit :


    Quote cst
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    Russel Brand hits the nail on the head about the 'issues'. For the answers see http://www.commonsensethinking ...
    And of course the front page http://www.newstatesman.com/staggers...and-guest-edit

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    6. I don’t like to be criticizing George Carlin around here, but when he says ‘remember how stupid the average person is and that half of the population are even dumber than that’, or words to that effect, he would do better to point out that half of the population are brighter than average, many considerably so, and these are the people we should be mobilizing. It is a bad mistake to be dumbing the population down to the point of excluding the entire top half. It is even worse than that when you consider that even average intelligence is far from dumb, and especially when you factor in qualities of goodness, the intelligence of the heart.
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    Default Re: Russell Brand May Have Started a Revolution Last Night

    I put this on the other Russell thread, but I will put it here too .

    Quote One thing many of us here have figured out is that the game manipulators have been able to maintain their success for so long because they play BOTH sides. By placing agents on the 'good 'bad', 'left' right', etc they ensure that they can lead movements in ways that ultimately benefit their agenda. Based on the way they play I would expect them to be advancing a really cool good looking person, with a slightly rebellious nature, who offers 'some' truth that people can relate to...an appealing voice for the disgruntled slaves.

    Hopefully Brand is a free agent speaking for himself, and advancing in the spotlight on his own steam. However, I feel that knowing the way the big boys play it might be wise not to get too caught in the sway of a 'movement'. A few years ago I would be thinking Russell was a hero and be telling everyone I know to listen to the important things he has to say. Now I choose to stand back and watch.

    Ultimately I don't think we need heroes anymore. We need to stop focusing on people on outside pedestals and learn to recognise the hero within. This is how the game will really change.


    edit

    I also forgot to say that I don't think these old tricks work the way they used to in this new energy. Spreading the truth...will only wake people-up regardless of if there is a negative agenda behind the movement.
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    Default Re: Russell Brand May Have Started a Revolution Last Night

    Like Russell says, far better minds than his are out there with more complete answers, here's a good example;-

    Stefan Molyneux's breakdown

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    I believe in democracy with an asterisk -

    The asterisk is that along side the democratic process is a truly free press and that the press is able to get their news out to all.

    In addition, there has to be term limits and that we never allow the revolving door of politics/government/corporate CEO to exist.

    And that is just for starters and yes, I am a dreamer.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    A few thoughts on Russell Brand.

    1. He is not advocating ‘legal plunder’: legal plunder is what we have already, and of course it is often far from legal anyway.

    2. If he were an Illuminati asset, then why are they shooting themselves in the foot like this, instead of literally shooting his mouth off? Answer: they are not in full control.

    3. The notion that to be a celebrity you just have to be an Illuminati asset is a carefully maintained instance of a necessary belief in the controllers’ control being absolute, which it is not. Such an idea is the result of extrapolation: what you don’t see is the same as what you see. Not true. Or the result of approximation: the majority, however vast, is not unanimity. In the days of the Soviet Union, a 98% vote was rightly seen as a serious lapse, even though 98% is 100% to the nearest 5%.

    4. It is in the very nature of the control system to foster strife: not black hats versus white hats but black hats versus black hats. The hierarchical structure is one of learning evil by having it inflicted on you from above until you yourself rise to those positions. The pyramid is a truncated one because you never reach the top: what looks like the top is the bottom of another pyramid. Which is why your hierarchies carry on up into extraterrestrial and other-dimensional levels. There is no end to the control. Until one walks away from the whole thing.

    5. Hence the need to remain grounded. Russell Brand has guest edited an issue of New Statesman. We can start by buying a copy, subscribing or making some other new statement, in other words casting the meaningful vote we don’t get to cast on election day. Let New Statesman know we want more of this kind of initiative. Things like this, found at http://www.newstatesman.com/staggers...and-guest-edit :
    It is my observation and direct experience that the PTB types work through retroactive control and retroactive spin.

    They can't watch, control, and corral everyone. Their assets are, actually --- very limited.

    The mark of the hidden hand is when the stories change, plain and simple.

    The massive level of all pervasive spying, is to get to the point of being able to put a face and name, or more specifically a spin story on the given rising consciousness that may occur.

    The fingerprint tracking and record keeping is also about using geneotyping/patterning to find those who might 'rebel'. The retinal pattern is even more potent in that area of 'predictive analysis' of personality typing, as the eye is not fully formed at birth, it takes time. The environment of the newborn plays into this, and is going to eventually be found to form a 'imprint/reflection' of a sort, of the adult's mental and environmental 'formation'. retinal scans are not innocent, they are targeting a point of analysis and predictive analysis.

    Essentially, the pawn level people have one move to them, at a minimum - so use it wisely. A pawn can transform into a queen or anything else..and can also take down kings, they just have to remember that it is within their capacity to do so.
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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Essentially, the pawn level people have one move to them, at a minimum - so use it wisely. A pawn can transform into a queen or anything else..and can also take down kings, they just have to remember that it is within their capacity to do so.
    Rise to the occasion, grow passed the "worry" stage and become the change.



    yeah, I like that!
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    To the parent of any child with bi-polar and or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (a label i think is misintrepreted passion of Russell Brand spirit) before you allow the state to drug your child's mind look at what potential their energy could go on to achieve.

    Having grown up at the same time and a few miles from where Russell Brand grew up (on the edge of the Essex Golden Triangle,ha) and with family members who went to the same school. His presence is not unique to that part of the UK. Another manifestation of the Essex entrepreneural wrath albeit of a spiritual nature. "Loads a Money" gone to "Loads of Spirit"

    Time for a retreat? or at least a cup of ... tea with Bruce Parry.
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