The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[soleil]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)

Before I tried moving out of my lazy mode and working meditation into my routine again, I went through a 3 or 4 month period where a particular recurring dream had hit me a couple more times: I'm always back at the place where I went to college. But it's later on in life after I've been well into my career. Almost like my place of emplyment has agreed to keep paying me while I'm at school. :- ) And it's the beginning of a new school year. The same thing always happens. I never go to pick up the form that tells me what time and location where each of my classes is going to be throughout the week. I know that there are a bunch of courses I need to be attending, and that I'm there to work on some kind of advanced degree, but I never go to any of the classes.

weird moment, you have described my school dream. i had one like this this week, i even became lucid, and thought "what are the odds this is actually happening in real life? it must be my dream!"
id love to hear what its about. i never end up finding out what classes im taking and where my classes even are, and its like 1030 in the morning on day 3 or 4 into new school year (feels like combo of college and high school)....so "im so behind". thats the feeling, except im never really rushed, i just always feel like im on my way to finding out what i need next. and i almost always need to find my shoes first ( after i get there too!), and that takes me everywhere looking for them too before anything else starts; and so i end up meeting up with others that give me comforting social feelings like im happy they are there, no matter who it is, ex or otherwise.

on side:sometimes my shoes are in my car in the parking lot. haha

re: communicating with plants...ive been growing an avocado from seed and have been communicating with her since her first bit of roots/leaves. so far i know she loves sun and hates when i turn her around and grow back towards sun. its good for her though its about almost a year in feb/march. since this plant ive increased the amount of plants i personally watch /help grow to 8.


one thing i just remembered. i dreamt that i had looked into a mirror and saw an asian face looking back at me. i remember thinking, " oh i didnt know i was going to be 'her' today?" and was just going iut and about with friends...strange.


tip:
ive been giving myself eye contact and trying to also gain my lowerselfs trust. (so i read) for about a month now. the result has been a greater dream recall and obviously the lucidity, but it hasnt lasted. im attempted obe nightly now as i quit my day job.

on and upwards!

[Joe Akulis]

Sway,
I like to guess at some of other people's dreams and then see what TH says. Most of the time my side guesses aren't even close. :-) So I'm not gonna mention my thoughts on the mirror one. But I think I am now curious to see what TH's take is on the school dream. It sounds to me like you are certainly making strides, so the idea that this is a prod from our HSes trying to tell us that we're slacking off may not be as accurate as I assumed. *shrug* Neat little synchronicity there though.

Another question for TH: This raising of Gaia's energy grid... It's no coincidence that you are observing this right around the time that we are supposedly changing from one age to another, is it? Around the end of 2012 was supposedly the time (and there was another post on Avalon with some stuff from Russian scientists today confirming some of this) that our solar system moved into a more energic region of the galaxy. Referred to as the galactic plane by lotsa people. And it sounds like not only is this affecting us here, but also the other planets and moons in our solar system, and the sun too. I wonder if this also could explain why some people think "the veil is thinning." Could a more energetic region of the galaxy also bring a more energetic 4d space? Even if it's not a physical realm? Meaning, people who are working on spiritual growth work, like learning to consciously astral travel, or trying to develop a talent for healing, or trying to develop their 4d eyesight in meditation; around this time period we are entering, they are going to meet with much easier and greater success than at any other time in the cycle of equinoxes, correct?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
Sway,
I like to guess at some of other people's dreams and then see what TH says. Most of the time my side guesses aren't even close. :-) So I'm not gonna mention my thoughts on the mirror one. But I think I am now curious to see what TH's take is on the school dream. It sounds to me like you are certainly making strides, so the idea that this is a prod from our HSes trying to tell us that we're slacking off may not be as accurate as I assumed. *shrug* Neat little synchronicity there though.

There is no one single interpretation of a dream that's "the" correct one. This is because the HM sees things so wholistically it goes beyond polarities. Let me try to explain it this way. We've all probably seen pictures which show two faces but you only "see" one at a time. There's the one that's either an old hag or a stylish young woman. Or even the pictures where your mind has to "see" rotation occurring, and 50% of people will see the rotation as being clockwise, while the other 50% will swear with equal certainty say it's anti-clockwise.

Although competing "seeings" of the same thing will be inconsistent if entertained at the same time, if you take them one at a time it's clear they're both right. Similarly, you can and always do have two or more interpretations for a dream which not only are both right while emphasizing different aspects/parts of the situation -- but when your HM made up the dream it quite deliberately gave it the many different sides. And they're all true. The HM has a way of seeing them at once without getting confused, either. (Whenever get to read the akashic records, as you will at least after your physical death, you'll find you have no trouble listening to and understanding many different people's points of view on the same situation simultaneously, without any confusion.)

I love Zen master Joshu's metaphor for Source. He said Source was like a diamond with zillions of facets. Each facet (each flat "face") of the diamond represents each individual. Actually, the facet plus the whole diamond as well. Each individual is the whole diamond but seen from a unique and different angle. You could say that each individual is an "interpretation" of Source. Although no two "interpretations" are entirely consistent, Source manages to hold all of them at once and be all of them at once.

Every dream is expressed in the current context of the dreamer's life. For instance, sway's dream will be emdedded in the context of her recent major job change and the possible risks and rewards involved, plus maybe recent developments in her relationships -- with mum, with her fiancee, with her daughter, with herself, and so on. Joe may have had the exact same dream, but what's currently going on in his life may be totally different. Each individual needs to take their dream as a comment on at least some major area within their own current situation. It's also important to look at your dream as something that's calling on you to respond to what it's saying or showing.

Every dream is also asking you to respond to the honest facts about yourself currently. The only reason why we have trouble remembering or interpreting our own dreams is our egoic resistance to the truth. We may like to think we love truth, but sometimes when the rubber hits the road ...(well, you know what haoppens). To quote Jung: "No-one who does not know himself can know others. And in each of us there is another whom we do not know. He speaks to us in dreams, and tells us how differently he sees us from the way we see ourselves."

On the other hand, there are a number of universal symbols also. Schools and classrooms are one example. Generally, any building represents your life. It also can represent your entire mind or personality or body. A school is a building chosen for, and dedicated to, learning and personal growth. I guess any Avalonian, and their life, "is" a school building and therefore a school as well.

Maybe classes and classrooms can be interpreted as different areas of ourselves rather than as sequential scenes of some kind of learning that keeps advancing.

My intuition suggests, Joe, that a major interpretation of your dream that was intended by your HM was indeed that you need to stop kicking empty tin cans around and get serious. And kudos to you for having taken it that way and taken action accordingly.

My intuition suggests that isn't an interpretation that fits sway's dream. I'll post a suggested interpretation of that later.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by sway (here)

Posted by seeker1972 (here)

Before I tried moving out of my lazy mode and working meditation into my routine again, I went through a 3 or 4 month period where a particular recurring dream had hit me a couple more times: I'm always back at the place where I went to college. But it's later on in life after I've been well into my career. Almost like my place of emplyment has agreed to keep paying me while I'm at school. :- ) And it's the beginning of a new school year. The same thing always happens. I never go to pick up the form that tells me what time and location where each of my classes is going to be throughout the week. I know that there are a bunch of courses I need to be attending, and that I'm there to work on some kind of advanced degree, but I never go to any of the classes.

weird moment, you have described my school dream. i had one like this this week, i even became lucid, and thought "what are the odds this is actually happening in real life? it must be my dream!"
id love to hear what its about. i never end up finding out what classes im taking and where my classes even are, and its like 1030 in the morning on day 3 or 4 into new school year (feels like combo of college and high school)....so "im so behind". thats the feeling, except im never really rushed, i just always feel like im on my way to finding out what i need next. and i almost always need to find my shoes first ( after i get there too!), and that takes me everywhere looking for them too before anything else starts; and so i end up meeting up with others that give me comforting social feelings like im happy they are there, no matter who it is, ex or otherwise.

on side:sometimes my shoes are in my car in the parking lot. haha

What's actually happening at any time is that we keep repeating the same "lessons"over and over. Our HM is continually arranging our lives for that to happen. Actually, I've found that many people even manage to carry the same issues with them for lifetime after lifetime.

If you dream that you're repeating classes, that's good because at least you're managing to be aware that there's curently some important issue in your life that keeps coming up because so far you haven't faced it fully. Your gettig the dream now is good. It means your HM is hoping you'll look more deeply at what your current situation is revealing. Your HM is hoping you'll look deeply enough at it that this time you'll be able to resolve it, so that it will then stop repeating itself. Your getting the dream now means your HM is confident you can do this right now -- but it's all up to you, to how earnestly you're willing to be honest with yourself right now.

My intuition suggests the dream had the added significance for Joe that it was saying it's time for him to get more serious about evolving himself now.

sway's going barefoot has something to do with being willing to let go of her defenses (which are egoic).

one thing i just remembered. i dreamt that i had looked into a mirror and saw an asian face looking back at me. i remember thinking, " oh i didnt know i was going to be 'her' today?" and was just going out and about with friends...strange.

That dream was to do with learning not to worry about what impression you make on others. You have to be yourself, and others will accept you as you are, provided you find the right ways to communicate with them.

[soleil]

very cool th. ive been having slightly more conscious mental/thoughts while dreaming. for example, i was in a chinese tea shop where i asked for tea. i must have forgotten my tea (and shoes as always) so i went looking for them. i went back, to the tea cart (wagon type) inside to get my forgotton tea, but managed to spill it on the floor. i got embarassed thinking theyd have to clean my mess, so i bumbled around for napkins to wipe my small spill. i told them it was me making an effort of quen xi (thats spelledwrong, its prounced something like quen shi), it means like trsuting friendship. i may be off, bc im recalling as best off the top of my head

[soleil]

i wanted to add a couple funny ways i travel in dreams in dream state. if there are any stairs, its as though i have rollerblades on and i glide casually down the stairs rolling quite fast. if they are stairs on my way, its how i go down them.

there sometimes are elevators in my dreams (like last night i was going down a floor. but apparently i needed to take the left elevator, not the right.....because it wasnt going to go to the floor below that i was to go to) so i always tend to never go anywhere in them, as my destination involves going by "foot".

on occasion density messes with me (so ive read thats what it might be) and i must crawl/run/jump grabbing the ground/cement with my hands to get anywhere/away. i wish i can remember to fly next time....


and lastly, i tend to have maybe and at least 2 dreams per night...which ive barely been writing down...so im going to be taking them more seriously and i hope i can be diligent in writing them down.

ps, my school dream is never a repeating a class. more like a dream that i have that is almost ground hog day "like" as its the same scenario straight from the top, pretty often. maybe 3-4 times per yr or more. get to school, its 3 days or weeks into the curriculum. i dont know what ive signed up for but im looking forward to actually doing "it", ie taking it seriously. but etc ensues.

[TraineeHuman]

Coming back to the heart center, the HM has three points from which it communicates to us. The lowest of these is at the heart center, from behind. Anyone with their third eye not yet opened will be receiving the HM's communications -- or a vague feeling of them -- only through their heart center.

That's why "listen to your heart" and "let it be your lamp and your guide" and "follow your heart because only there will you find the true you / God" all really mean more than just listening to your heart center. It also actually means listening to your HM as best you can.

And if you're currently at the stage of not having the third eye opened. don't try to rush things. Because you can't develop greater receptivity and vulnerability if you're straining hard. If anyone here writes poetry, or composes music, or makes original jewellery, or paints or sculpts -- the way you wait for flashes of inspiration is an example of precisely how one needs to stay receptive to the HM's coming down to show itself.

Unfortunately, many intensive meditators, for the first few months, remember nothing after they come out of their meditation. Initially, in meditation -- or other direct contact with the HM -- they are in a state we can call a certain kind of "trance". But you won't recall anything until you begin to learn how to transfer some of what you get in that experience to your outer everyday life, where it will no longer be trance-like.

The reason why meditators don't at first remember their inner self is that they haven't learnt to accept such experiences. Those experiences are happening in their inner being. That will initially be disconnected from all body consciousness, so it may seem like "nothing". All I can do is reassure you that if you are getting as far as that disconnection from body consciousness, you're making faster progress than ever before. Eventually you'll start experiencing strong joy and peace -- and even get glimpses of the beginnings of Divine Love.

Divine Love is the love that the HM brings. However, everyone senses it and tunes into it slightly or vaguely when they feel ordinary love. Divine Love has greater power, and it's what can change the world.

Divine Love isn't an emotion. Not that ordinary love isn't a great thing. And the quickest way to develop Divine Love is to go to the max into ordinary love. Not that one doesn't get to such Love by going far enough in mediation. Divine Love is what everything is made of. It's like the air, in the sense that it's always everywhere around us. It's beyond all emotion, all ideas and all physicality. And yet it's hugely intimate and intense and caring.

It's a powerful force waiting for humanity to let it in so it can express itself. Gaia already has it, and lately has been doing her utmost to bring it closer to every one of us.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
This raising of Gaia's energy grid... It's no coincidence that you are observing this right around the time that we are supposedly changing from one age to another, is it? Around the end of 2012 was supposedly the time (and there was another post on Avalon with some stuff from Russian scientists today confirming some of this) that our solar system moved into a more energic region of the galaxy. Referred to as the galactic plane by lotsa people. And it sounds like not only is this affecting us here, but also the other planets and moons in our solar system, and the sun too. I wonder if this also could explain why some people think "the veil is thinning." Could a more energetic region of the galaxy also bring a more energetic 4d space? Even if it's not a physical realm? Meaning, people who are working on spiritual growth work, like learning to consciously astral travel, or trying to develop a talent for healing, or trying to develop their 4d eyesight in meditation; around this time period we are entering, they are going to meet with much easier and greater success than at any other time in the cycle of equinoxes, correct?

Maybe you're quite right and it's been happening just as much to the other planets and to this entire region of space. That would no doubt mean that the Illuminati knew years ago that it was coming, and when it would come -- hence their haste, and also The Gulf spill and Fukushima occurring in advance of it, and so on.

But what did happen -- I believe planetwide by March -- in 2012/2013 was that Gaia created a permanent "field" of positive energies. I assume that includes "bio-energy", i.e. lots of negatively charged ["negative" as in electron-rich] ions, as you used to get in Nature but not everywhere else. This grid instantly wiped out and sent into non-existence many negative "grids" of "energies". Some of those "grids" were thousands of years old. I assume they were created by hostile rogue "ETs" or people -- such as black magicians -- acting under their influence or guidance. Some were man-made and recent.

There was a post made by AuCo in December on this thread, where he asked what was going on. Why had the 4D world been "emptied out"? That impressed me. An experienced and mature astral traveler, who had noticed the big picture of the 4D world. He was right, though presumably Gaia's "grid" was already up in the location where he lives.

Nevertheless, new technologies -- presumably intended by the ruling elite to feebly try to counter the effects of Gaia's "grid" -- are still able to cause physical and psychological (4D/5D) effects. Digital technology, wi-fi, microwaves. You still need a powerful solid-state ioniser to protect your home, and that, or shielding devices that really work, to protect you at work or out in the street.

On the other hand, this "grid" of Gaia's will have an effect in some ways similar to kundalini elevation for all humans worldwide. It's unstoppable, and ultimately undefeatable. Kundalini energy is Gaian energy that comes from the center of the planet and up your 4D body, hopefully as far as the oversoul point above the head. But it's individual, whereas this "grid" is planetwide, both in 3D and 4D at least. I don't have the expertise, as a dowser or studier of earth energies or any technologies, to be able to be much more specific than that. But I certainly expect to see plenty of 100% confirmation of this from such experts. It would take a huge misinformation enterprise to hide the news of this. And anyway, Gaia's "grid" is now there everywhere all around us. Deny it as much as you like, people will start to feel it. And everyone is being and will be affected by it, in a liberating sense -- even nasty 4D entities that are left.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by sway (here)
while dreaming. for example, i was in a chinese tea shop where i asked for tea.

In all but the lowest of the 4D worlds, and higher, they don't have food, nor money. Instead, nourishment = consciousness, or at least = energy. When I first went astral traveling I used to find it really fun -- and something that took getting used to -- how in the 4D and 5D worlds others obviously saw me as very good-looking and wealthy. You can get used to being treated like a VIP, though. The reason I was treated that way was because I had lots of Light. In those worlds, fat, or big and wide anyway, is beautiful. My point is, sway, that your asking for "tea" represented asking for consciousness.

i must have forgotten my tea (and shoes as always) so i went looking for them. i went back, to the tea cart (wagon type) inside to get my forgotton tea, but managed to spill it on the floor.

I've done that heaps. It's quite normal to initially squander or not properly value the energy you're given or that you generate. Nobody ever did that worse than I did, for some years, in various different ways. Mostly many years ago. Sometimes you need to get really expert at how to do things the wrong way or fail, before you're ready to use things in the most constructive way. No big deal. I'm sure you'll learn how not to squander energy eventually. It's a bit like learning to handle money. After all, money is a form of energy, really.

i told them it was me making an effort of quen xi (thats spelledwrong, its prounced something like quen shi), it means like trsuting friendship.

So, you made it clear your basic intentions were good, and you understand the value of gaining greater consciousness, even though maybe you haven't quite gotten the hang yet of how to drive that racing car.

[Joe Akulis]

"... this "grid" of Gaia's will have an effect in some ways similar to kundalini elevation for all humans worldwide."

This goes a long way to confirming my suspicions about what people are nicknaming "ascension symptoms." They always sounded a lot like things you would feel when reactivating chakras that have been dormant.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by sway (here)
i wanted to add a couple funny ways i travel in dreams in dream state. if there are any stairs, its as though i have rollerblades on and i glide casually down the stairs rolling quite fast. if they are stairs on my way, its how i go down them.

In the astral worlds, travel is normally instant, and there's no gravity. Apparently some people do experience "denseness" in the lowest 4D level -- the etheric or "earthbound" level. But I can't remember ever experiencing that. Certainly, the general rule is that in 4D and 5D you get around by flying, and you get to your destination -- whatever or whoever you concentrate on -- instantly, in my experience.

there sometimes are elevators in my dreams (like last night i was going down a floor. but apparently i needed to take the left elevator, not the right.....because it wasnt going to go to the floor below that i was to go to) so i always tend to never go anywhere in them, as my destination involves going by "foot".

Elevators are highly structured and very rectangular and linear -- hence extremely rational -- and quite shut in and restricting, usually without windows. I wouldn't get in one in the astral either.

on occasion density messes with me (so ive read thats what it might be) and i must crawl/run/jump grabbing the ground/cement with my hands to get anywhere/away. i wish i can remember to fly next time....

OK, but you're now managing to pull away and get out of the density, rather than falling back into your physical body.

[ATok]

Hey Firstly I must thank you so much for this rich thread to learn from.
Yesterday I decided to master OBE's, from the first time I heard about it I knew this is the Holy Grail, but never took any serious decision about it.

I still reading all the threads including this one, so maybe my issues have been discussed but if so I will edit it then.

When I first started to meditate, I used to sit for hours and observe, mostly flow with the images.. At some point I became good at lucid dreaming, and could have an OBE after realizing Im aware of the dream, but at that time I thought that all I do is imaginary, so I mostly was flying around and visiting some castles in the clouds. After a while I felt like Im doing wrong the meditation so I read again what I suppose to do and how it suppose to feel etc, and realized that I really getting different outcome from what is described, so I quit all the OBE's and began mediating "properly". Only after a while I discovered what I was actually experiencing, but I didn't tried to practice it again since then.

Few years passed, I never stopped meditating, I have changed and experienced with different techniques.
Now from yesterday I tried about 4 times in different times of the day to do OBE. I know self relaxation technique so I easily can get to a state that my body so relaxed that I can't even feel it.
So I was laying down on my back fully relaxed, asked my Guardian Angels, Guides and Higher Self to protect me and help me in this, then I was chanting in my head "when my body fall a sleep, my mind stays awake", and I realized that Im staying in this posture for more than hour without any changes, from time to time there is some energy adjustment sensations that Im familiar with, nothing special. But, after about an hour (I believe) some parts of my body that Im laying on starts to pain, I tried to let go of it in thought that maybe its a test, but I suffered for some 20 min more and gave up because of no progress.

Now the conditions Im in:
My house is "handmade" XD in a sense that it is not a "proper" building but more a wooden summer house which enables me to hear everything around me all the time, and there is lot of action going on here (military planes, birds, cars, non-stop noise) all the time, even in the small hours of the night.

I tried the suggestion to lay on my back, but I must say this is very unusual posture for me because when I was a child I used to wet the bed almost every night, till at some point I tried to go to sleep laying on my stomach and since then I stopped wetting the bed, so I grew up to go to sleep on my stomach. If my intention is to sleep, no matter how much noise or distraction is around me, laying on my stomach Im off in 5 min. I can't recall the last time I fell a sleep laying on my back, I tried few times but it felt weird and uncomfortable, although that I could nap for some time when I started practicing Hatha Yoga, in the end there is a full relaxation guided by someone, I always felt a sleep even on my back, but after few times that I got used to the training it self it also stopped.

And the last thing that I feel like mention is that Im very awake and aware in my day to day life, it becomes even bolder for the last weeks, I choose to observe my life for some time and so I developed strong awaken state, not in the spirituality meaning but the physical. I can catch something falling behind me with my leg without even seeing it falling (Im still amazed my self), I pay attention to so many things that often I feel the urge to quiet my mind in meditation and still, since this awakening Im having hard time in meditation also because Im hearing everything around me, I can feel parts of my body having different sensations at the same time etc. Another thing is the pip in my head, I remember it strongly from the first time I felt this awakening, I have no idea what this noise about, but it ain't leaving me XD Its not somethings that distracts me, but its there, sometimes I even focus just on that to get some states, its like the noise you gets from the old TV's when the channel is blank and all you see is this "energy" on a grey\white back ground (if you know what I mean), really high tone that goes iiiiiiiii, I used to hear it all the time as a kid when someone turn on the TV, but now I hear it all the time and strong.

So, I tried also to lay on my stomach and chant, but the same, my body was fully relaxed but my mind felt like fully awake, to much awake, I was laying for about an hour, nothing happened and I was already tired and decided to try as I wake up and I did just before posting it, but was the same experience..

Any suggestions or insights?

Thanks again, and much love

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by ATok (here)
When I first started to meditate, I used to sit for hours and observe, mostly flow with the images.. At some point I became good at lucid dreaming, and could have an OBE after realizing Im aware of the dream, but at that time I thought that all I do is imaginary, so I mostly was flying around and visiting some castles in the clouds. After a while I felt like Im doing wrong the meditation so I read again what I suppose to do and how it suppose to feel etc, and realized that I really getting different outcome from what is described, so I quit all the OBE's and began mediating "properly". Only after a while I discovered what I was actually experiencing, but I didn't tried to practice it again since then.

Hi, ATok! When a person meditates (properly), first they go inwards and then they go higher. When you were experiencing OBEs from while you were in meditation, you were going --putting your attention on -- outwards, on "the world out there", which was higher than the physical world because you had gone higher.

So, I believe the answer to your question is simply to do that. Once you get deep into meditation, simply pause and "look", or put all your attention on, what you can feel or "see" to be there outside yourself -- instead of turning inward all the time, as your meditation teacher would have told you you had to do.

Now from yesterday I tried about 4 times in different times of the day to do OBE. I know self relaxation technique so I easily can get to a state that my body so relaxed that I can't even feel it.

If you get to a state where your body is so relaxed, then you are already OB and in a higher world, even if you don't realize you are.

So I was laying down on my back fully relaxed, asked my Guardian Angels, Guides and Higher Self to protect me and help me in this, then I was chanting in my head "when my body fall a sleep, my mind stays awake", and I realized that Im staying in this posture for more than hour without any changes, from time to time there is some energy adjustment sensations that Im familiar with, nothing special. But, after about an hour (I believe) some parts of my body that Im laying on starts to pain, I tried to let go of it in thought that maybe its a test, but I suffered for some 20 min more and gave up because of no progress.

Pain means you are doing something wrong. It means you need to stop doing that immediately. Anyway, I don't think you need to wait for your body to be asleep -- but I may be wrong. And you don't need to lie on your back. For you, on the stomach is fine.

And the last thing that I feel like mention is that Im very awake and aware in my day to day life, it becomes even bolder for the last weeks, I choose to observe my life for some time and so I developed strong awaken state, not in the spirituality meaning but the physical. I can catch something falling behind me with my leg without even seeing it falling (Im still amazed my self), I pay attention to so many things that often I feel the urge to quiet my mind in meditation and still, since this awakening Im having hard time in meditation also because Im hearing everything around me, I can feel parts of my body having different sensations at the same time etc. Another thing is the pip in my head, I remember it strongly from the first time I felt this awakening, I have no idea what this noise about, but it ain't leaving me XD Its not somethings that distracts me, but its there, sometimes I even focus just on that to get some states, its like the noise you gets from the old TV's when the channel is blank and all you see is this "energy" on a grey\white back ground (if you know what I mean), really high tone that goes iiiiiiiii, I used to hear it all the time as a kid when someone turn on the TV, but now I hear it all the time and strong.

All of that sounds great. You say the way you are "very awake" isn't "spiritual", but I don't agree. I say the highest kind of spirituality is to bring your higher awareness and peaceful inner Silence into the physical world.

And I have also been hearing that high-pitched sound, for maybe four weeks now. Most of the time I hear it. At first I had trouble falling asleep for the first two nights. That high-pitched sound is coming from Gaia, and I know it's a good thing, but I don't know what it means. Some other people are hearing it too. At first it drives you crazy, but then you get used to it and it becomes almost normal.

Any suggestions or insights?
Thanks again, and much love

Before I read your post, my Higher Mind told me I needed to write the next two posts I will make shortly. The second one will simply describe how to relax properly, so of course you don't need that advice. But I'd like you to wait and read my next post, then please feel free to ask me any questions in more detail.

[TraineeHuman]

Astral travel involves the elements I'm going to list in this post. Successful astral travel/projection normally involves most and probably all of them.

As I've said in my previous post, if you're an experienced meditator like ATok, all you need do is get deep into meditation and then put your attention outwards, instead of inwards as you have been doing to meditate. That will be more than enough to "launch" you into an astral journey. At that point you shouldn't attempt to return to meditation -- or certainly not until that particular astral journey has been completed.

What if you haven't learned how to meditate fluently yet? Well, my next post will describe how to put yourself through a deep relaxation exercise. I once spent several years doing my best to teach people about meditation etc full-time. I found that quite a few who were new to meditation needed to start simply with practicing deep relaxation. That provides a great base for learning to meditate correctly.

My list of the elements of astral travel is as follows:
Relaxation
Concentration
Energization (and flexibility at handling pure energy)
Going inwards then higher then outward, i.e. Projection; OR ELSE: Transition from 3D to 4D (not via meditation but via the Vibrations)
Imagination
Breathing (while you're not fully OB; your 4D or 5D body doesn't breathe at all)

Now I'll comment on each element.

My next post will be about relaxation. From the HM's point of view, this has to do with openness and of cutting free from the walls of the (lower) self.

Concentration is to do with one-pointedness from the HM's point of view. As I mentioned in posts in February and March, concentration just on whatever is happening now is the beginning of awareness. Concentration also involves intention.

Unless you do it through meditation, the transition from 3D to 4D will involve intention and "turning all the lights off" and then at least partly turning a "new set of lights" on.

Energisation is really just to do with developing a small amount of mastery of handling energy. The exercise in post #10 is one example of an exercise which develops this. So is acting (theater), and qi gong, t'ai chi, aikido, judo, and indeed to some extent physical exercise of any kind if done intensively. As NancyV pointed out, it's also possible to get helpful extra energisation through using the appropriate magnetic equipment.

Imagination is to do with intuitive seeing whatever is there, without any preconception of what you will see. In this way it's quite distinct from visualization.

To appreciate how the breath is connected to going inward and surrendering to the higher, please see post #283 from February 3rd.

I would prefer people to largely find their way in learning to use each of the elements on the list. It's a bit like when an infant learns how to walk. They do it by lots of practice, and trial-and-error. For instance, do you realize that the way Western people walk is to put one leg forward then lean forward until they actually go off balance. Then they fall forward in a very controlled way. They don't fall over because the other foot comes swinging forward to break the potential fall -- even though we don't look at it that way, because we've forgotten what we saw when we were one year old and learning.

[ATok]

I am not sure that I meditate "properly" I learnt from a book called The Answer(Authors of The Secret), which may not be the best source to learn to meditate, but who knows I feel like it works
All I do is to relax deeply, including my mind, free my self from any thoughts and just feel, sense and observe the emotions and sensations Im feeling. Looking back I think that this is exactly what started me to lucid, after some self-exploration I focused on the outside, the smells, noises, feelings coming from outside of me.

Im not sure about being OB this times since yesterday, because I couldn't even go deep as I go in meditation, all I felt was the intense awaken state of mind, like when I open my eyes they are WIDE open, like having psychedelic trip.

When I said: "I developed strong awaken state, not in the spirituality meaning but the physical." I knew you will understand me right, but for the majority of people, especially "spiritual", the word awaken create different connotations but the physical one, I do also believe that to be fully spiritual as human-beings is to be fully physical, otherwise what is the point for the spirit to become physical?

About the high-pitched sound, I do not know what Gaia exactly means but I guess we talk about Mother Earth as consciousness, if so, I do not believe it is coming from her, and if it is, it mostly not a "good" thing but more than a scream of suffering and a call for help. I remember vividly hearing this sound from technological devises miles away as a little kid. Especially from the TV's, it is a synthetic sound and not a natural one. You know exactly how natural sound that comes from divine love sounds like And this is not it for sure.


I want to thank you once again, and send you unconditional love. I had an insight following our dialog.
Since the moment I began to meditate, my life started to change drastically, mainly my view of point about life and how I understand things. All I could think of was the increased amount of information I was reading back then(what I never did before) being the reason for this changes.. So I was comfortable with changing things in life according to new information I was exposed to, with time it created to some degree a dependence, seeking answers outside of me, and so many times I would feel disappointed and lonely because of my experience not being as described in the book.

The idea of me being God always resonated in my head, but as a kid being different from others wasn't beneficial to me so I tried my best to match the herd, but now Im realizing that I really do not need to seek anything outside of me, yes it true that some times my request coming in a form of a book or lecture outside of me, but most of what I can recall came from the inside, by insights and understanding without any background.

We are all unique and special, we are all Gods co-creating our reality, and therefore every person experience is individual for him, of course there is some guiding lines to certain group of souls, but mostly it very different. I come to know that my soul coming from different place than most of the souls on Mother Earth, I could see it since childhood but didn't want to face it. Because of some circumstances lately I had to face this fact and accept it, and to surrender and trust my self, my Higher Self, Guides and those pure entities devoted for our good and only.

I believe that all I need to do is what excites me the most at any moment, to ask my Guides and Higher-Self to represent me the opportunities for my desires, and to live, in a meditative state all the time.

Freedom is an interesting concept, most will define it as the ability to have infinite number of options, paths, choices, which I see lead to confusion, for me freedom is the ability to choose not to choose anything, this way I truly feel empowerment.

Thank you again everyone for your gift of sharing and spreading the light you are, they say humanity was given all the "bad" things possibly can be, but knowing and trusting the human spirit, we have been given Hope, and this is all you need in any situation in life.

peace

[TraineeHuman]

For the benefit of anyone who considers themselves totally new to meditation, the following is a description of a self-relaxation exercise.

Initially meditation involves relaxation plus concentration. Relaxation is a form of letting go, of as many of your physical sensations that will easily go, or fade somewhat. Strangely enough, the mechanical thinking process that goes on like a "chattering" inside you is also physical. You also let go of it, or at least make it go fainter.

ATok has mentioned that he can physically relax very deeply -- even though he lives at a constantly very noisy location. I said to him that when he fully relaxes, he must already be in the 4D world but doesn't realize he is. That's because if you totally let go of everything in the physical world (which is totally a world of sensation), anything you experience will now be beyond the physical level.

It's not unusual at all for someone to be OB and not know it. That happens for very brief periods (seconds) during the day for nearly everyone. Very early in this thread, gdelisle described a number of occasions when he did things such as what he thought was put his head on his pillow only to find that he fell straight through the pillow and down to the room on the level below, and so on.

Here's the relaxation exercise. Sit in a chair with a straight back. Or else lie down flat on a bed. If you're in a chair, make sure that your bottom and the small of your back are firmly pushed against the chair and totally secure, like an anchor for the rest of your body. It probably helps to have dimmed lighting or no lights on. Do the exercise slowly, taking at least ten minutes to complete it.

What you now do is really feel the sensation in each part of your body, starting from the feet and finishing at the head. so, first of all feel the sensation of the soul of your right foot, then your left foot, making contact with the floor. Get a sensation of where each foot is harder because there is bone there. Make your toes go very tense and hold for a few seconds, then release for a few seconds. Do this again four or five times.

Next do something similar with the lower legs and knees, then the upper legs, and so on. Your body should be divided up in this way into about ten or twelve different sections. In each section you tense, hold then relax the muscles a few times. You also try to feel where the bones or cartilages are and how it feels there, and any other sensations inside that section of your body.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
"... this "grid" of Gaia's will have an effect in some ways similar to kundalini elevation for all humans worldwide."

This goes a long way to confirming my suspicions about what people are nicknaming "ascension symptoms." They always sounded a lot like things you would feel when reactivating chakras that have been dormant.

As I've explained some months ago, descension -- the HM coming down lower and lower into the body permanently -- is what I take it is happening to some of us. I see that as an individual thing. Similarly, before we can bring in the HM what we go through is an individual ascension, but I would think not in the sense the Ascensionists seem to believe.

It's quite true that in either case we need to persist against the opposing forces within us. These forces resist any major (and necessary) change. And they may remain "in power" over us to some degree for a long time. But I'd like to assume many are emotionally mature enough not to get stuck in depression ever, over anything.

All the "normal" varieties of depression should have little or no power over you, I hope. How else can you possibly handle the material in much of PA and remain balanced and maturely aware? It's decades since I've ever really felt the slightest "loneliness", for example. That's one example of a variety of depression that's really just a social construct -- something artificially created by the matrix of conditioning. It's a totally unnecessary and false emotion. Many Asian or indigenous people seem to be free of it -- unless they've been socialised into Western ways.

Also, in order to either ascend further or get the HM to descend further, even with Gaia's wonderful new "love is in the air" field all around us, you do need to get more specific insight, in detail, regarding the ignorance your own behavior shows. Again, if you get stuck in depression over that, you'll never progress. I've been talking about active, deliberate surrender to the Divine. But the Divine won't come anywhere near if the "house" is quite tainted by things such as depression.

Indeed, I would see the opening of the chakras -- either in the ascension direction or in the HM's descension direction -- as stages of major surrender of the entanglements our ego is hlding us in. And this is the same as letting go of more and more big chunks of our cherished personality. Plus a constant vigilance that we don't let in some fake Force other than the HM at any point.

This also involves the surrender of every last habit and selfish motive and way of doing things -- giving it away. Something better will fill in the space (as long as you're vigilant). But you have to keep casting your bread on the waters. You have to freely offer it all as a gift to the Divine.

If that's what people are experiencing as "ascension symptoms", that's great. But the very word "symptoms" implies a victim mindset that can't be anything but counterproductive to the supposed liberation it's part of.

What sorts of "symptoms" did you have in mind, Joe? What sorts of "symptoms", or dare I call them openings to something Higher plus phenomena of the ego's resisting, do you specifically see as occurring with the "opening of chakras", Joe?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by ATok (here)
Im having hard time in meditation also because Im hearing everything around me, I can feel parts of my body having different sensations at the same time etc. Another thing is the pip in my head, I remember it strongly from the first time I felt this awakening, I have no idea what this noise about, but it ain't leaving me XD Its not somethings that distracts me, but its there, sometimes I even focus just on that to get some states, its like the noise you gets from the old TV's when the channel is blank and all you see is this "energy" on a grey\white back ground (if you know what I mean), really high tone that goes iiiiiiiii, I used to hear it all the time as a kid when someone turn on the TV, but now I hear it all the time and strong.
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Any suggestions or insights?

That noise is something you've noticed since you were a kid. That means you're unusually sensitive to some kinds of artificial energies. Maybe the reason why you hear it so often now is because you live so close to an air force base. Apparently Israel has very advanced military technology, so there could be something like an advanced kind of radar that your 4D body is hearing and then your brain changes it into audible sound.

One suggestion I would have is for you to try the basic method I use to handle any OB entity or consciousness that's trying to interfere with me or bother me when I'm OB (or partly OB). I send it positive, healing energy, plus a very clear, firm intention and message that it's trespassing in my space and I want nothing to do with it and I insist that it has to leave my space immediately, and never come back.

If that doesn't get rid of the noise, maybe you could try relaxing and then asking it questions such as what is it, and why is it bothering you.

If that doesn't work, please tell me and I'll visit you OB and see if there's some healing I can do, or at least identify what the source of the noise is. Energy in the astral is in itself neutral, but this energy seems to be clearly negative or even hostile.

[Joe Akulis]

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Posted by seeker1972 (here)
What sorts of "symptoms" did you have in mind, Joe? What sorts of "symptoms", or dare I call them openings to something Higher plus phenomena of the ego's resisting, do you specifically see as occurring with the "opening of chakras", Joe?

I was flipping through a post on Avalon a couple days ago where people were talking about ringing in the ears getting very noticeable. Some were also talking about experiencing anxiety for no reason that they could explain. This one sounds like the butterflies in the stomach feeling. So, solar plexus chakra. My wife also had a pretty strong bout of the butterflies one night earlier last week. Other people mentioned their heartbeat. Perhaps some heart chakra effects. Headaches, those could be third eye or crown, possibly.

I've personally been dealing with the butterflies quite a lot, and then the forehead is there just about all the time now. I've been curious about the things I'm feeling, and think of them as a positive thing, so none of it has alarmed me. I'm just fascinated to be here and see all of this first hand.

You've recently suggested that the pressure on the center of my forehead was less likely to indicate a blockage as it is an indication that the third eye is open. Think this is also true with the butterflies in the stomach? Have I also mistakenly been treating this a a "fear blockage" and should stop trying to send it to source all the time? Rather just get used to it being like that, if it's just a sign that my solar plexus chakra is open?

I can feel the physical effects of the third eye, and the throat, and the stomach, but ... not the heart. I don't feel any interesting sensations going on there. Unless... Do you think one physical sensation of an open heart chakra is just that you can really notice your heartbeat a lot all day long now? I was just thinking my blood pressure was a little high and I needed to get back into my jogging routine...

Just some thoughts that have been bouncing around in my head the past couple weeks.

Joe

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
]What sorts of "symptoms" did you have in mind, Joe? What sorts of "symptoms", or dare I call them openings to something Higher plus phenomena of the ego's resisting, do you specifically see as occurring with the "opening of chakras", Joe?

I was flipping through a post on Avalon a couple days ago where people were talking about ringing in the ears getting very noticeable. Some were also talking about experiencing anxiety for no reason that they could explain. This one sounds like the butterflies in the stomach feeling. So, solar plexus chakra. My wife also had a pretty strong bout of the butterflies one night earlier last week. Other people mentioned their heartbeat. Perhaps some heart chakra effects. Headaches, those could be third eye or crown, possibly.

I've personally been dealing with the butterflies quite a lot, and then the forehead is there just about all the time now. I've been curious about the things I'm feeling, and think of them as a positive thing, so none of it has alarmed me. I'm just fascinated to be here and see all of this first hand.

You've recently suggested that the pressure on the center of my forehead was less likely to indicate a blockage as it is an indication that the third eye is open. Think this is also true with the butterflies in the stomach? Have I also mistakenly been treating this a a "fear blockage" and should stop trying to send it to source all the time? Rather just get used to it being like that, if it's just a sign that my solar plexus chakra is open?

I can feel the physical effects of the third eye, and the throat, and the stomach, but ... not the heart. I don't feel any interesting sensations going on there. Unless... Do you think one physical sensation of an open heart chakra is just that you can really notice your heartbeat a lot all day long now? I was just thinking my blood pressure was a little high and I needed to get back into my jogging routine...

Just some thoughts that have been bouncing around in my head the past couple weeks.

Joe

No, butterflies in the stomach is not a sign of the HM's descent there. Actually, at the beginning of 4D astral travel most people feel extreme discomfort and nausea, not unlike butterflies, in that area of the body. But it only lasts momentarily and then they take off. I managed to overcome having to experience any of that completely, but I had to free myself of the effects of my birth trauma, which is usually the most horrible experience in a person's life. The birth experience, I mean, though freeing yourself of its effects and the negative self-judgments embedded in it is quite an experience too. (That's not to deny that at birth the new child leaves a very, very powerfully positive energy behind -- separate from themselves -- at the location where they get born.)

The HM's descent into the heart area will result in a positive outlook and the ability to experience joy in many situations where others don't. It will also mean you'll probably be pretty free of any nasties in the astral world. That's because the astral energy is in itself neutral, but your positivity will keep taking you only to positive spaces there. You certainly write your posts like someone who has reached this point, Joe, and my intuition suggests you indeed have done so. Let me qualify this a little, though.

As in your case with the heart area, it's possible for the HM to stably descend to and remain at an area during most of the ordinary experiences you would go through in your week. But there will also be some unusual and very challenging situations where it is currently unable to be present in your heart area. My intuition suggests you do have some kind of blockage in the heart area, despite the HM's already having descended there!

The butterflies in your stomach, according to my intuition regarding you, Joe, are partly due to fears and partly to current insecurity about your identity -- which would mean big changes in career and/or family.

I guess I see now that what some people are referring to as "ascension symptoms" could be what happens because they are currently listening way too much to their ego's resistance to ascension. Hence experiences of anxiety and so on. So, Gaia may have "ascended", but I suspect these individuals aren't ascending, so far, on an individual level. Not if they're overcome by anxiety etc. Where is the inner Silence that wipes away the ego's power? Where is the willingness to go out of their comfort zones? If you do actually go into your discomfort zone head-on, at first you experience a little fear, but you burn it away in the quickest way possible if your're willing to stay with the discomfort. The fear is followed by some pain. Ditto regarding burning away the pain.