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    Trying to wrap myself all away around this conversation… interesting, thought provoking and needed in my opinion. How else do we stretch our minds into the very substrate of matter where the ALL exists. Um?

    I have a tendency to not delineate or logically look at anything, though I honor those that do and it helps me to comprehend reality in a EXPERIENTIAL way. So my mind map is BEcoming holographic, as the barriers of compartmentalized thinking are dissolved a greater whole emerges, absolutely awe inspiring and REAL.

    I have debated where to put this video and decided to add it here, to this conversation. While Trey Smith relates his theory of everything back to the Bible he also does a wonderful job of explaining the coding that is the map of our reality. I haven't found it posted elsewhere on Avalon.


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    Christine this is awesome!

    I watched the whole thing and forwarded to a couple friends.
    Man I wish I could explain "reality" with the ease as the narrator of the above video.

    good find...good post.

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    Quote Darwin only theorized about natural selection. He did not theorize about the particular biological method of inheritance. I think this is first credited to Mendel. I see no reason so assume Darwin was wrong at all, ever, about natural selection.
    ah, now we are getting somewhere... I would have to agree... but then again he didn't build a cathedral of Darwinism to himself either, I believe his work just became a 'political vehicle' ...and since it is only an 'observation' does this prove 'natural selection' (or more simply adaptation) really have anything to do with "evolution"? Is breeding cats and dogs and cattle, etc now "evolutionary"?

    Mendel discovered the same thing, a pre-existing set of genes, maybe the genes are being selected randomly but it is still from a pre-existing set of 'information' already encoded in the 'computer'... had nothing to do with mutation creating more complex organisms... haven't seen any true and unbiased scientific evidence (or any at all) of this yet outside the X-men... but last I checked that is just an intensely entertaining and emotionally compelling idea, a pure fiction based on a comic book by it's creator Stan Lee.
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    Quote Dawkins is referring to exogenesis/panspermia.
    I remember asking an Animal Behaviour Professor about the adaptation/mutation issue after class once... and he was clearly miffed... because the way he presented it was rather 'confusing' but that they were two separate issues (but looking back now I think they were toying with the idea of just combining them together to make them "look the same"... So if you asked (back then...) you were told they were clearly separate, but if you listened to a lecture they sounded like they were the same (unless you really paid attention...)

    Anyhow... in response to this question, which was perplexing him at first, then his face lit up, something that just came to his mind, some new research... and he then told me about this 'radical new theory' that was being put forth by some of the "most serious scientists" at the time... and get this (and it was certainly the first time I ever heard it...) that "life may have come from organisms from other planets!" (ie meteorites from Mars, etc) I was in a state of awe at hearing this! Which was probably the first time... And he clearly looked quite pleased with himself as I pondered this for about 30 seconds...

    And then I said to him (quite bold and spontaneously instead of asking it as a question)

    "That doesn't answer the question at all.. all you did was move the same question onto another planet..." I didn't realize what I was saying as it just came out as I logically followed his thought process... I remember he was absolutely mortified... I would never get the chance to ask him anymore questions in private like that again... in retrospect I think his shock beside the logical deflation of his 'balloon' was the look of someone confronting a "religious nut", or "creationist" or something like that... LOL

    I still think it was a legitimate response for obvious and logical reasons, I don't think these people are obfuscating the issue. But once you take on a prejudice, the principle of cognitive dissonance does take over... to not be aware of this is to succumb to it...
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    Quote Posted by Christine (here)
    Trying to wrap myself all away around this conversation… interesting, thought provoking and needed in my opinion. How else do we stretch our minds into the very substrate of matter where the ALL exists. Um?

    I have a tendency to not delineate or logically look at anything, though I honor those that do and it helps me to comprehend reality in a EXPERIENTIAL way. So my mind map is BEcoming holographic, as the barriers of compartmentalized thinking are dissolved a greater whole emerges, absolutely awe inspiring and REAL.

    I have debated where to put this video and decided to add it here, to this conversation. While Trey Smith relates his theory of everything back to the Bible he also does a wonderful job of explaining the coding that is the map of our reality. I haven't found it posted elsewhere on Avalon.

    Good question La Tigra I haven't seen this video yet, but look forward to checking it out...

    I think Haramein answers that in a certain way. I think that production he made with Gaiamtv is a big move forward, like they are teaching him how to present his message more simply and more diplomatically... But he was pretty matter of fact at one point where he said... (which I considered to be the "punch line" of the whole presentation) (paraphrasing) "There is a relationship between the fact that because the atoms are moving in and out of the vacuum..." via the toroidal donut that is essentially the "black hole" [or what seems to be the boundary or 'containment field'] Which is what all atoms are, which is what the entire universe is... Then we too, as an assemblage of atoms moving at light speed are moving in and out of this black hole as well... wow!... think of the implications... and he asked if you are in the black whole where all 'matter' (energy) is compressed back into one... what is happening when you are there?... "What are you saying when you are there?" (is how I think he phrased it...)

    That is where we are all tied together, literally as one... that aspect of universe can never disappear... is the crux of the whole system of reality, our connection to the whole of the universe... which appears to be a 'black hole' and we are 'there' just as much as we are 'here'... (personally I think that is mind blowing and fits all the ancient wisdom...)

    And fits beautifully with the ancient principle that the "answer lies with looking within"... it explains why people can, through their own 'minds', transcend time and space and do "supernatural" things...

    update: adding Greybeard's post as it is the easiest to link up to (YouTube)
    Nassim Haramein - Black Whole
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post751940
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    Quote Posted by panopticon (here)
    Quote Posted by sigma6 (here)
    The interesting thing about this... is that much like people who used to suffer from psychological illnesses that were observed by Freud, once they were explained to be purely psychological. These illnesses ceased to exist.
    G'day Sigma6,

    This really interested me.
    Can you give an example (or two) of a psychological illness that ceased to exist once it was explained to be psychological so I can examine this a bit more.
    I haven't come across this assertion before and it intrigues me.
    The only thing I can think is that your reference is to the changing perception of what constitutes a mental illness...
    ...Cheers,
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    Sorry for hogging the post I should maybe have combined these...

    It was more then a changing perception, they were actual full blown diagnosable 'illnesses'... that few people get today, if at all... (we have a greater abundance of 'choices' today, you could say... ;(

    And boy panopticon, you are really making me work hard!... that is going back a long time ago... but I do remember the one is hysteria... which like polio is pretty much non-existent today, a disease of the newly upper middle class victorian woman of the day (who had nothing better to do... I will skip one of the known cures btw... lol) the other was known a "limb paralysis" there was another name for it I will update... ('glove anaesthesia') until it was pointed out that there was no physical basis for the 'ailment' ...people having their hand seemingly frozen or numb, or up to their elbow, or shoulder, etc... the observation was made by Freud that once these were discussed and explained (back then the people must have really looked up to these figures, as you can see the psychological influence factors all over...) that these 'diseases' decreased in frequency and disappeared...

    Cheers...
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    Quote Posted by sigma6 (here)
    Quote Note, that the "creator" of the programme and the video is not claiming anything regard where the watch parts came from
    sums it up... even Dawkins Evolutions greatest "Proponent" (and most impotent .. haha) admits the possibility, no the necessity of a intelligence (talk about stinking hypocrisy... he totally caved like a schoolgirl in his 'debate' with Ben Stein) What a suckhole, I have absolutely no respect for people who do that, yet he preys on the weaker minded Rothschild Freemason publicly educated masses who swallow this crap... who in fact can't see it any other way... so limited and dumbed down is their thinking... disgraceful, disgusting to my mind.

    Richard Dawkins admits to Intelligent Design



    More straight from the horse's mouth...
    Richard Dawkins stumped by creationists' question



    https://youtube.com/watch?v=CypedNJW_Iw

    Ihave to admit that just hearing Richard Dawkins mentioned in a sentence let alone
    listening to him rave on used to make me angry, now i see him as someone who's just a little bit wrong.
    When he mentions the possibilty of a highley advanced race seeding our planet in the
    first video you mentioned i don't think someone without a open mind would even
    entertain such an idea.

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    ...and a little bit hypocritical, and maybe a little bit caught with his pants down...
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    What If Evolution was in fact a conspiracy to hide the true nature of how
    what was really happening on this planet...??? Also evolution displaces the legal interpretation of Man as elevated above other animals... if you choose statutory law over God's Law as supreme, you are legally putting the definition of man over to other men... and they have redefined man as an animal...

    These notes were all pulled from the video...
    Not only does mutation random theory of Evolution hide the more inter-dimensional spiritual interpretation, ie. see David Wilcock's research, on source field and everything that relates to...

    This is specifically identified and exposed by Alfred Adask's discovery that the Statute Drug 'laws' referred to "man and other animals" being a writer for a living, he caught the grammatical implications... and again I am not going into his story here, but to say that he stopped a multi hundred thousand dollar fine the government was trying to impose on him and stalled their whole court attack for 5 months, by simply asking this one question.... i.e. "are you referring to man as an animal here?"

    Why would this be so significant the Government would run away from a multi thousand dollar lawsuit because of one small question... ???

    I think the below will answer this... Although they are pushing a Christian interpretation near the end the research and quotes are exceptional... and the argument well laid coming from multiple sources... I'm not highlighting the biblical interpretation, but this cannot be excluded, because it is clearly showing a relationship between philosophy, legal interpretation, and illuminati/Jesuit/secret society manipulation... a conspiracy aimed at undermining the uniqueness of man in the spiritual interpretation AND the legal inalienable rights bestowed on MAN BY GOD... the origin of where these RIGHTS came from... the same authority (combined with their sovereignty) that gives the Vatican unlimited power and immunity from other countries laws...

    ... there is evidence to show an agenda by the 'Romans' to "get rid of" Christianity... (the basis or the original legal system where man was given inalienable rights, and the creator and thus "owned" by God. (as opposed under the jurisdiction of other men) There is nothing more the 'Romans' would like then to break this covenant they created with Christians when they "took over" their religion... of course the complications for themselves should be self evident... but then these people are the ultimate masters of deception... they have been quoted speaking of their annoyance of this removal of Christianity, especially now that they have established a commercial legal system, another of Rome's Global agendas since the time of the original Romans...

    Anyhow the quotes below lay out the most part of the presentation. It looks like a Roman Catholic Jesuit Priest Pierre Hardtell de Chardin was involved with Charles Dawson who was the Piltdowm Man Hoaxer... interesting he died 4 years after presenting the Piltdown man and it was actually Chardin who was responsible for "popularizing" the Piltdown man... exactly what I was arguing they did with Darwin's theory... the Illuminati... Chardin was righteously banned from the Church... but get this...he was later eulogized after he died!

    All this adds up to evidence showing that there was an agenda, and still is... all this points toward the implementation of a NEW WORLD ORDER... you will even see one of the books quoted states this right on the title...

    remember in Christian Law there is forgiveness of sins/transgressions/debts,etc, that I have seen can be still applied in courts, in commercial law like insurance, it is a witch hunt, someone has to be guilty, so that money can be collected, there is NOTHING ELSE GOING ON... it's a racket.


    DARWINISM started was taken over by a Secret Society groups as political tool. It is just as much about undermining legal interpretation which was originally much closer to true trust interpretation where the government and courts were seen as servants of the State, upholding and protecting inalienable human rights... to what is now a corporate commercial system that was only meant for corporations... Now they are treating everyone like a corporation. via the Birth certificate and signatures. (contracts)


    Charles Darwin 1859
    Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle For Life.

    (btw did anyone know that this was the ORIGINAL title of his book?????... )


    Darwin himself is quoted as saying...
    "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed... by numerous, successive, slight modification, my theory would absolutely break down." pg 39 Darwin's Black Box
    - Michael J Behe quoting Darwin...


    The Simplest Self Sufficient cell has the capacity to produce thousands of different proteins and other molecules...


    Our present computers are less complex than the brain of an earthworm, a species not noted for their intellectual powers...
    White House Millenium Council 2000, White House Website
    - Stephen Hawking


    A single cell, the smallest living unit is more complicated then NY City.
    - Linus Pauling

    "The complexity of cell structure overthrows evolution..."
    "Highly sophisticated molecularl machines control every cellular process...
    "Thus the details of life are finely calibrated, and the machinery of life enormously complex" pg 5

    "the simplest self sufficient cell has the capacity to produce thousands of different proteins and other molecules... synthesis, degradation, energy generation, replication, maintenance of cell architecture, mobility, regulation, repair, communication... ... all of these functions take place in virtually every cell and each function itself requires the interaction of numerous parts pg 46

    "A Child can die because of a single defect in one of the many machines needed for taking proteins to the lysosome. A single flaw in the cell's... protein transport pathway is fatal. Unless the entire system were immediately in place, our ancestors would have [died]."

    "Attempts at a gradual evolution... are a recipe for extinction." pg 114

    "the impotence of Darwinian theory in accounting for the molecular basis of life is evident... from the complete absence in the scientific literature of any detailed models... by which complex biochemical systems could have been produced"
    pg 187 - Michael J Behe, Darwin's Black Box

    Sir Fred Hoyle - Astronomer
    made up the term Big Bang as an imaginary concept to mock the theory of evolution...

    Hoyle calculated that believing the first cell originated by chance would be 1 in 1 with 40,000 zeros after it... ... is like believing a tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts... and form a Boeing 747...
    Doubts about Darwin pg 29,

    Occult Invasion by David Hunt
    The scientific world has been bamboozled into believing that evolution has been proved. Nothing could be further from the truth.
    pg 26

    This situation is well known to geneticists and yet nobody seems to blow the whistle decisively on the theory...
    ...Most scientists still cling to Darwinism because of it's grip on the educational system...
    ...you have to believe the concepts or... or be branded a heretic. pg 30


    Science has so thoroughly discredited Darwinian evolution that it should be discarded" pg 27
    - Michael Denton Biologist, Evolution, A Theory In Crisis


    "Evolution is a metaphysical myth, totally bereft of scientific sanction."
    - Wolfgang Smith, Mathematics Professor


    At British Museum of Natural History In London
    on asking other scientists to tell him one thing they knew about evolution. Lecturing to biologists at the American Museum of Natural History NYC. "I tried that question on the geology staff at the field Museum of Natural History, and the only answer I got was silence."

    "I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the U of Chicago, a very prestigious body of evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time..."
    "... and eventually one person said, "I do know one thing -- it ought NOT to be taught in high school"

    "Then I woke up and realized that all my life I had been duped into taking evolutionism as revealed truth in some way."

    "He said he had experienced 'a shift from evolution as knowledge to evolution as faith'"

    ...fully acknowledging a paradigm shift from scientist to Darwinian worshipper, his idol, the cathedral of evolutionary Theory (money, secret society membership!?)

    quoting Collin Patterson, Paleontologist
    - Thomas E Woodward apologetics.org
    Doubts About Darwin


    London's Natural History Museum, looks more like a Cathedral or Church, a temple
    Richard Milton
    - Shattering the Myths of Darwinism
    Mysterious Origins Of Man - Part One Rewriting Man's History


    Legal interpretation...

    Declaration of Independence:
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal... and that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights..."
    ie. man has been created rather then evolved...

    Founding fathers maintained that the rights and liberties of men were defended by the authority of God who created them. But if mankind merely evolved, then a man's rights are established only by a man's opinion, as that opinion changes [ as in artificial statutory acts and codes, that people are unknowingly contracted into]... the rights of 'men' can also change. As was the case in Nazi Germany. Hitler was an Darwinian Evolutionist.

    Why the teachings of the Bible were so important to early Americans, because it was the LEGAL BASIS (and still IS...) to our "inalienable rights"

    Man made laws should not be allowed to contradict Laws of God, and if man's laws did contradict God's laws, 'they would not be valid"
    - Sir William Blackstone (in fact these principle still stand today... they are just being hidden from us... )




    Acts 5:29-32
    29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.

    30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. 31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”


    Biblical interpretation clearly states Man was created in the image of God and holds a particular place above every creature on earth, however he would be considered equal under the interpretation of Darwinism... why all reference to Christianity in particular is being removed from the Government? This argument was used by Hitler to justify extermination of 'undesirables' by comparing them to vermin, lower genetic strain, etc..


    Acts 17:26 NKJV
    26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,


    Genesis 1:28-29
    28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

    29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

    Did you know that it is still possible to invoke God's Law in court?... and that you can bring your own law into court?... ???

    Genesis 9:3-6
    3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. 4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. 5 Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. From the hand of every man’s brother I will require the life of man.

    6 “Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.

    The Evolutionist Argument against God is a NWO legalist argument... Because if God did not create man, under what authority should a man's "person" be protected?

    Christopher Columbus (?) Langdell Harvard Dean (Freemason) believed in Darwin's theory of evolution. He also believed that as man evolved, his laws must also evolve."
    - HIstory of American Education pg 24
    "From Harvard Scholars to Worker Bees of the New World Order"

    and introduced the Case law method into the legal system...

    "Case law basically means judges would interpret the US Constitution and Bill of Right as they believed it should be interpreted..." In Case law should the judge or judges not believe in God or the Bible, Christian principle or value would not be used..."
    "If judges did not believe abortion was murder... they ruled accordingly, If Judges did not believe homosexuality was wrong, they ruled accordingly."

    Sir Williams Blackstone's Law Books were used for over 160 years by American Lawyers, courts, US Senate and law schools to settle disputes, to define words and to examine procedure.
    "Thomas Jefferson once stated that the influence of Blackstone's Commentaries on Law was so strong on American lawyers... were used with the same reference and dedication that Muslims used the Koran..."

    Guess when Blackstone's commentaries were discarded - 1930's, (Depression, Bankrutpcy, Issue of fiat currency, The GLOBAL THEFT...)

    - then the first major decision the courts made using the case law method was in 1962, the removal of prayer from schools. 1963 Reading of biblical scripture unconstitutional. The original purpose of the American School System.

    [In summary the courts gave people the right to anal sex and to kill their unborn children in exchange to not have to read scripture in the classroom. AND to set up the legal framework to later, be able to set up a separate 'contractual system of exchanging your rights for benefits and privileges that they control... " i.e. they have hidden MAN's inalienable rights so well, that for all practical intents and purposes, MOST will NOT find them... and are subject to a Corporate Statutory Code (an employee contract) where "man" is now defined as an animal... (no rights again...)


    Old Deluder Satan Act of 1647
    - It being one chief object of that old deluder, Satan, to keep men from the knowledge of the Scriptures, as in former times (the dark ages)


    Romans 5:6
    6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.



    Darwinism assumed fossil evidence would be found that man was evolved from apes. By definition this theory was accepted on the promise of a future discovery!!??

    1912 - Charles Dawson - Piltdown Man
    jaw and skull bone of half man, half ape
    1953 - Piltdown declared a hoax... broke off the jaw bone, and filed it down to fit them together...

    No other discovery furthered evolution then Piltdown, "Piltdown absorbed the professional attention of many fine scientists. It led millions of people astray for forty years"

    - Stephen J Gould, The Piltdown Conspiracy


    "More then 500 articles and memoirs were written about the Piltdown Man before the hoax was exposed..."

    ...Likewise articles in encyclopedias and sections in textbooks and popular books of science ... an immense amount of derivative work...

    "For many years the Piltdown finds were a significant percentage of the fossils which were used to reconstruct human ancestry"

    - Richard Garder. Researcher, Piltdown Man



    "This ill-begotten form of primitive man... received nearly as much attention as all the legitimate specimens in the fossil record put together."
    JS Weiner, The Piltdown Forgery

    Once the hoax was exposed, Darwinist's never corrected their records. But continued the agenda, now rooted in the educational system

    "Of his [Charles Dawson] "discoveries" at least 38 are fakes, the only suspect in these frauds is Charles Dawson himself... the same man who uncovered the remains of Eoanthropus Dawsoni, the Piltdown Man."

    "For Charles Dawson, was not a one off hoax, more the culmination of a life's work..."

    worked with Paleontologist - Roman Catholic Jesuit Priest Pierre Tellhard de Chardin
    The man most responsible for the normalization of evolutionary thinking in western culture today.

    More skullduggery If this wasn't suspicious enough, after essentially dumping all the blame on Dawson who died 'prematurely' just 4 years after "delivering" the Piltdown Man... which now is starting to look like he may have been "commissioned" ???
    de Chardin - goes to China, a collection of would be missing links that mysteriously dissapeared in 1941, before anyone could fully examine them.
    Of 175 fossile fragments recorded, ALL of them were 'supposedly' lost. Only the notes and photographs, taken by Tellhard and his team of scientists, modern critics question the integrity of the find...


    [i.e. two of the biggest "backbones" of evolutionary theory Piltdown Man and Peking Man BOTH turn out to have completely shady and questionable authenticity and associated with the SAME JESUIT PRIEST ... In other words there is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, just the "suggestion" in one case, and proven fakery in the other... does it sound like he perfected his "technique"... instead of getting caught twice, he "disappeared" the incriminating evidence before it could happen!!! ]

    "Is evolution a theory, a system or a hypothesis, it is the general condition to which all theories, all hypotheses, all systems must bow and which they must satisfy henceforward if they are to be thinkable and true.

    "Evolution is a light illuminating all facts, a curve that all lines must follow" (this is clear Illuminati 'speak')
    Pierre Tellhard de Chardin, The Phenomenon of Man - pg 218-219


    Vatican II - Ecumenical Movement
    considers evolution a part of Gospel truth...


    Marilyn Ferguson, Aquarian Conspiracy

    in 1947 - Very definitely there was no Adam and no Eve and no original sin. Original Sin continually obstructs the natural expansion of our religion... It is a straight jack that checks any movement of heart and head... ... an anachronism in our evolutionist system of thought."

    "in the theology of Tellhard we are all becoming Christ. There is no Original Sin, and therefore no need of Redemption.
    (and with case law, these all lead to attempts to remove the Christian Biblical Law from the court system.)


    "RC scholar Pierre Tellhard de Chardin taught that he god to be worshipped is the one who will arise out of the evolving human race."



    How art thou fallen from heaven, Oh Lucifer son of the morning!

    For thou has said in thine heart I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt by throne above the stars of God...
    I will ascend above the heights of the clouds...

    I will be like the most high...


    Isaiah 14:9-15

    New King James Version (NKJV)


    9 “Hell from beneath is excited about you,
    To meet you at your coming;
    It stirs up the dead for you,
    All the chief ones of the earth;
    It has raised up from their thrones
    All the kings of the nations.
    10 They all shall speak and say to you:
    ‘Have you also become as weak as we?
    Have you become like us?
    11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol,
    And the sound of your stringed instruments;
    The maggot is spread under you,
    And worms cover you.’



    The Fall of Lucifer

    12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
    O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
    How you are cut down to the ground,
    You who weakened the nations!
    13 For you have said in your heart:
    ‘I will ascend into heaven,
    I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
    I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
    On the farthest sides of the north;
    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
    I will be like the Most High.’
    15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
    To the lowest depths of the Pit.

    Rome has given the title "Queen of Heaven" to
    the virgin Mary... RC dogma and Roman paganism.



    Jeremiah 44: 19,25 NKJV

    19 The women also said, “And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her, to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands’ permission?”

    25 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying: ‘You and your wives have spoken with your mouths and fulfilled with your hands, saying, “We will surely keep our vows that we have made, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her.” You will surely keep your vows and perform your vows!’



    RC Priest Pierre Tellhard de Chardin, a Jesuit
    "one of the most frequently quoted writers by leading New Age occultists" speaks of a Christ of evolution...
    "A general convergence of religions upon a universal Christ who fundamentally satisfies them all: that seems to me the only possible conversioin of the world... " and the only form in which a religion of the future can be conceived."

    accepted the wonderful repercussions of his research and
    investigations
    - Pope John Paul... Ecumenical Movement...
    160 leaders of the worlds 12 major religions


    Matthew 7:13-15
    13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

    You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

    15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.






    Jeremiah 17:9 NKJV
    9 “The heart is deceitful above all things,
    And desperately wicked;
    Who can know it?
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    We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time
    By faith we understand things which are seen were not made of the things which are visible

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