Who, really, is Barack Obama? THIS APPEARS TO BE THE TRUTH.

[Oouthere]

So free phones for the poor is not socialism? Forcing everyone to buy insurance even though they will probably not need it for at least 30 or 40 years is not socialism? Then what is it? When you take money from those that have and give to those that do not, that is a basic premise of socialism. It does not matter if the government directly or indirectly causes it.

Rich

[risveglio]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)

What's a mega-capitalist institution? Where is there capitalism again? I think there is plenty of horrible Marxism and Socialism in Obama and his policies. I say horrible because they are really horrible ideas, corrupt, horrible, ideas.

So, I would be glad to read your arguments indicating that Obama is a Marxist and has been applying Marxist policies.

Really, if you can substantiate your claims, I'd have no problems to change my mind.

By the way, mega-capitalist institutions are private corporations. In most Socialist models, basically, there would be no private corporations at all, specially those associated with essential commodities.

If Obama was a Socialist, one of the first things he would do was to nationalize these companies. There would be no private corporations at all.

So before we get started, nothing mentioned in the Beck hit piece counts as Marxist or Socialist? All his lets make people more dependent on government while destroying the lives of the middle class policies? None of those count? How about the bailing out of GM, was that not at all a bit socialist, nationalizing a company the only way he legally could, does that count?

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)

What's a mega-capitalist institution? Where is there capitalism again? I think there is plenty of horrible Marxism and Socialism in Obama and his policies. I say horrible because they are really horrible ideas, corrupt, horrible, ideas.

So, I would be glad to read your arguments indicating that Obama is a Marxist and has been applying Marxist policies.

Really, if you can substantiate your claims, I'd have no problems to change my mind.

By the way, mega-capitalist institutions are private corporations. In most Socialist models, basically, there would be no gigantic private corporations at all, specially those associated with essential commodities.

If Obama was a Socialist, one of the first things he would've done was to nationalize these companies. There would be no private corporations at all.

However, as far as I know, the USA is mostly owned by private corporations, though..And Obama's done nothing to change that.

This may actually be more of what your trying to say?

DISASTER CAPITALISM
A Neoliberal catalyst towards further vulnerability

http://www.academia.edu/1159959/DISA..._vulnerability

The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by the Canadian author Naomi Klein, and is the basis of a 2009 documentary by the same name directed by Michael Winterbottom.[1]

The book argues that the free market policies of Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman have risen to prominence in some countries because of a deliberate strategy of certain leaders to exploit crises by pushing through controversial, exploitative policies while citizens were too busy emotionally and physically reeling from disasters or upheavals to create an effective resistance. It is implied that some man-made crises, such as the Iraq war, may have been created with the intention of pushing through these unpopular reforms in their wake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine

[Oouthere]

Hiya Silent,

Being from Mississippi and the only white person in my neighborhood probably gives me a distinct right to my viewpoint. No one I know or have heard of voted against Obama because he is black. To me it is almost too simple.

In the 1980's the soviet union stated they could not defeat the U.S. in a head-to-head fight and that it would have to be destroyed from within. I believe this is part of the communist/socialist fight to end free speech, free thought, free religion, and freedom in general. The U.S. is the last bastion of freedom, even if a corrupt freedom, on this earth.

Rich

[RMorgan]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

DISASTER CAPITALISM
A Neoliberal catalyst towards further vulnerability
http://www.academia.edu/1159959/DISA..._vulnerability

Yes. This would be more accurate, indeed.

Sorry guys. With all due respect, you have received a very poor and biased sociological education...

Giving freebies to poor people is not Socialism; It's populism. Acquiring near to bankrupted companies just for the sake of stabilizing the market is not Socialism as well, it's a just a Neo-Liberal Capitalist measure.

Have in mind that, by any means, I'm defending Socialism. I'm just trying to avoid crude misconceptions here.

Private corporations are clearly in charge of the USA. If Obama was trying to implement a socialist system, even it was a fascist one, the Estate would be in charge of the country, not private owned companies. That'a a fact.

For all I know, Obama works for private owned companies, which are the same which financed his campaign. This is exactly opposed to Socialism.

He's been socializing the debts and privatizing the profits. This is not Socialism at all. It's just the opposite.

This is plain and simple Capitalist Corporatocracy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Oouthere (here)
Hiya Silent,

Being from Mississippi and the only white person in my neighborhood probably gives me a distinct right to my viewpoint. No one I know or have heard of voted against Obama because he is black. To me it is almost too simple.

In the 1980's the soviet union stated they could not defeat the U.S. in a head-to-head fight and that it would have to be destroyed from within. I believe this is part of the communist/socialist fight to end free speech, free thought, free religion, and freedom in general. The U.S. is the last bastion of freedom, even if a corrupt freedom, on this earth.

Rich

Ironically the guy is half white....regardless, the race card being played is all part of this Obama Event, part of the distraction factor of a much larger agenda.

[norman]

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Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

DISASTER CAPITALISM
A Neoliberal catalyst towards further vulnerability
http://www.academia.edu/1159959/DISA..._vulnerability

Yes. This would be more accurate, indeed.

Sorry guys. With all due respect, you have received a very poor and biased sociological education...

Giving freebies to poor people is not Socialism; It's populism. Acquiring near to bankrupted companies just for the sake of stabilizing the market is not Socialism as well, it's a just a Neo-Liberal Capitalist measure.

Have in mind that, by any means, I'm defending Socialism. I'm just trying to avoid crude misconceptions here.

Private corporations are clearly in charge of the USA. If Obama was trying to implement a socialist system, even it was a fascist one, the Estate would be in charge of the country, not private owned companies. That'a a fact.

For all I know, Obama works for private owned companies, which are the same which financed his campaign. This is exactly opposed to Socialism.

He's been socializing the debts and privatizing the profits. This is not Socialism at all. It's just the opposite.

This is plain and simple Capitalist Corporatocracy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Raf.

Raf, for the life of me, I can't see any difference between a meeting in the boardroom of a global corporation and a meeting in the Politbro of the old Soviet Socialist Republic. The schoolroom labels get in the way of clear thinking here.

I don't even think ( as I used to up till about 10 years ago ) that the distinction between Political collectivism and economic collectivism really exists.

It's just raw elite power by whatever route gets them there, and a hired mix of shills and soldiers to keep the law of the people off their backs.

[gripreaper]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Well, as far as all actual ancient Sumerian language experts state, and these are people from all over the world, Sitchin was not qualified to make any translations at all and the biggest part of his books came straight out of his imagination.

Which I qualified here:

Well, Stichen got some of it right, and other things he extrapolated and biased based on his subjectivity.

Posted by RMorgan (here)
So, as far as I have investigated, Sitchin's books are at least 90% fabricated, with no real substance at all.

Which I qualified here:

Therefore, his interpretations are subject to additional verification from other sources in order to triangulate a postulate which has a high enough percent probability to be considered as a variable for a more collated and synthesized context.

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Feel free to believe that Sitchin was more correct than the Sumerian dictionaries themselves, though...

Where did I say Stichen was more correct than the Sumerian Dictionaries? Look Raf, it’s a slow Saturday and if you want to “have a go” at me, that’s fine. You would just need to do better than that and actually find a point in which there was an error, discrepancy, or point of view you disagreed with.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[T Smith]

Posted by blufire (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
I would suggest we don’t go down the ‘usual easy path’ of they are all insane psychopaths out to enslave and murder us.

For most, this would be the most difficult path to wander down IMO, for most wouldn't believe this to be actually true.

Personally I believe that insane psychopaths may indeed be out to enslave and or murder us, that sometimes the obvious is the truth

You know, I used to really believe this ‘conspiracy’ that you have said (people being murdered and enslaved), but not any longer.

For the simple fact that if ‘they’ really wanted this it would have already been done or ‘they’ would not be advancing technology that is actually doing the opposite.

If ‘they’ truly wanted to simply eliminate millions or even billions of people worldwide then they would STOP advancing medicine that keeps people alive for longer than ever before and especially people in 3rd world countries that are ravaged by complicated ruthless diseases or how about global hunger? I know this is a huge sore topic for most on Avalon but if it weren’t for gmo grains billions in third world countries would be dead. Remember the massive starvation of the 60’s and 70’s? This has nearly been eliminated.

The technology that is being quickly advanced and implemented is in all actuality saving billions of people and although not in any way near perfect.

Look at the people that are suffering in the Philippines from the typhoon. I watched a news broadcast where thousands of tons of food and water is being brought in by the US military. Guess what is in those crates of food . . . . . rice and other foods made grains that are gmo.

I have seen the thread about this typhoon being geo-engineered by ‘them’ to murder these people . . . . okay but then why send food, water and medicine? Did the ‘haarp technology’ create this typhoon or did it actually do something to lessen the effects? The typhoon was already formed and almost in top of the Philippines before the haarp signature appeared.

Do I believe there are other reasons for these ‘manufactured events’ and rescues’,

But not in order to enslave or murder. Yes! We are being manipulated and herded into a global unification under one government. Will this be easy or will this new world be comfortable for the majority . . . sadly NO. But this technology will at least give people a fighting chance.

If ‘they’ wanted millions or billions of us dead it would have already happened.

I have thought about this along the same lines. If they really wanted us all dead, why not just kill us? Why all the life-extending medicine? Why the GMO foods (secretly meant to disrupt our propagation, among other things) that in effect feeds those who would otherwise starve?

The answer is, in my estimation, because it wouldn't work. 99.99% of humanity would be fundamentally against this agenda were it ever in its entirety to enter into their conscious awareness. And a vast majority of that 99.99% unwittingly advance this agenda, by design... but the key word here is unwittingly... all those unwitting actors are required to advance the agenda. In other words, it's not that easy to effect mass eugenics, mass genocide, and mass murder on that type of scale, i.e. a Georgia-Guidestones scale, and retain power on the other end. TPTB rather require unaware participants to propagate the agenda, as foot soldiers, and completely unbeknownst to their conscious minds. It can never be too obvious to the victim, who is required to dig his own grave, or it simply wouldn't work.

When it becomes obvious to the victim they are playing the role of victim, they simply withdraw participation, and immediately. TPTB could effect tremendous damage, yes (I'm not saying they couldn't kill half the population on the planet) but their agenda could literally break down overnight if they were ever to try to do so or if they moved too fast. The spider and the fly analogy serves here. The spider moves in on the fly slowly and weaves an elaborate web because the fly can easily escape the grasp of the spider if either the spider or the web were ever to become visible. Even if TPB unleashed some horrible ELE event and scurried down into their DUMBS to wait it out, they would still depend on compartmentalized actors to execute whatever menacing plot they had in store.

I don't think you can just allow third world countries to starve when well-meaning entrepreneurs have a remedy. Those entrepreneurs are all part of the 99.99%, including a vast majority of scientists and researchers and high-level executives within Monsanto. There are many who think they are doing the right thing. The .01% needs to employ their life force and energy, as assets, to advance the agenda. That's how it works.

[onawah]

Here's what Simon Parkes had to say today on the thread at:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...838#post758838

The Summerian clay tablets were indeed planted ( the ones relating to the "creation" of Earth Human kind) the rest are real. But this is the elite way = mix truth with lies = for lies sown with truth are more likely to be accepted.
I agree - in relation to the Ashtar Command, I would not trust, for evidence = ( any culture that uses the term Command, is not an enlightened culture for it means a stratified society and gives " commands")
this is a big subject, its worth a good chat, but now I am tired, I have been on a while, I will soon return - all my love Simon

Personally, I have always felt that there have been many ET races here, contributing genes, technology, etc.--some for their own self-centered reasons, others out of compassion and to help undo the damage done by the self-serving.
A lot of the story that Sitchin gave us seemed to me to have truth in it, but not all.
And since most of us probably have "family" in many of the ET races, myself included, I don't want to be cut off from all the other races, but I would like us to be able to choose who we want to be here for the good of our planet and all its life forms, and to know the truth about our history, their history, and what everyone's agendas for being here are.
It seems to me that the only way that's going to happen is if humankind gets busy with our spiritual development, our discernment and taking responsibility for ourselves as much as we possibly can.
Being responsible also includes the ability to be receptive, responsive and cooperative.
It never really seems to be matter of a black and white, but all the various shades of gray as well.

[Magnus]

Posted by surfer (here)
The photo of Obama in drag is clear photo shop and the fact that it's taken as fact by the presentation discredits some of this. Same with the accusations for dressing up for Rocky Horror Show. Although I don't doubt he's bisexual, I don't see how this is pertinent to anything.

Anybody who becomes President has stepped over dead bodies to get there. As for the gay allegations - who cares? And the drugs? Kennedy was a speed freak in office...most of them have been drunk. W was a blow head alcoholic. Clinton is a sex addict.

There are worse scenarios than Obama. Sarah Palin could be president. We could be in more wars.

Whatever Barry's sexuality may be, i agree that's not the point here, the actual point is, the way Pope and Manning are presenting their information.

If such claims are to be made, they'd better check the validity of their supporting evidence before presenting it as fact. If they can't do that, they would be better off excluding such things and just stick to discussing personal experience. Anybody can make false accusations.

[gripreaper]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by blufire (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
I would suggest we don’t go down the ‘usual easy path’ of they are all insane psychopaths out to enslave and murder us.

For most, this would be the most difficult path to wander down IMO, for most wouldn't believe this to be actually true.

Personally I believe that insane psychopaths may indeed be out to enslave and or murder us, that sometimes the obvious is the truth

You know, I used to really believe this ‘conspiracy’ that you have said (people being murdered and enslaved), but not any longer.

For the simple fact that if ‘they’ really wanted this it would have already been done or ‘they’ would not be advancing technology that is actually doing the opposite.

If ‘they’ wanted millions or billions of us dead it would have already happened.

I have thought about this along the same lines. If they really wanted us all dead, why not just kill us? Why all the life-extending medicine? Why the GMO foods (secretly meant to disrupt our propagation, among other things) that in effect feeds those who would otherwise starve?

The answer is, in my estimation, because it wouldn't work. 99.99% of humanity would be fundamentally against this agenda were it ever in its entirety to enter into their conscious awareness. And a vast majority of that 99.99% unwittingly advance this agenda, by design... but the key word here is unwittingly... all those unwitting actors are required to advance the agenda. In other words, it's not that easy to effect mass eugenics, mass genocide, and mass murder on that type of scale, i.e. a Georgia-Guidestones scale. TPTB rather require unaware participants to propagate the agenda, as foot soldiers, and completely unbeknownst to their conscious minds. It can never be too obvious to the victim, who is required to dig his own grave, or it simply wouldn't work.

And I think you nailed it. A few examples are: World War 1 was supposed to be the "war to end all wars". That was the rallying cry to fervently arouse the populace into engaging in such heinous slaughter of others because it would eliminate once and for all, tyranny from planet earth. 50 million people lost their lives. Shortly after, the Spanish flu took another 100 million lives. WW11 took another 50 million lives and the population has since gone from 3.5 billion to 7 billion, doubled once again. Both of these events were perpetrated and engineered by the nefarious bankster cabal global psychopathic alien interlopers who have screwed up everything on this planet for millennia. I refuse to call this a conspiracy theory, it is FACT.

My point? Shortly after the mass genocidal exterminations, the populace just comes back with an accelerated degree of reproduction that is ten times faster than previous to the purge. So, what they learned is overt mass purging does not work.

What works better is for us to willingly kill ourselves, without these nefarious elite having to fire a single shot or waste a single ounce of their energy. So, as we embrace microwave technology in every aspect of our lives, we are willingly killing ourselves and embracing our own demise. Toxic food, air and water are just the icing on the cake.

[heretogrow]

I apologize upfront and have to tell everyone that I have not had time yet to read the responses from page five to eight. I hope to do that now. However there is something about Obama that has haunted me from the first time I became entranced by him. I am going to put this out here as crazy as it seems because maybe some of you had the same experiences of have felt the same way. if this has been postulated in the pages I have missed then I apologize in advance.

For me the strangest and most compelling thing about Obama has been, above and beyond the hypnotic qualities of his speeches, the second I tuned into him, I felt a familiarity like I had known him from before. Did anyone else experience that? Now as we are further unto the agenda I wonder if we were not implanted with a memory of him in order for all of this to take place. Really it has been uncanny for me. I have felt so connected to him that I have sought to give him hell and call him out on all of the unconstitutional laws of late. There is a very real familiarity of this man and I do not think this familiarity is natural. I believe we have been genetically implanted to accept what he has to offer. I believe the real challenge is acknowledging this and seeing it for what it is, a manipulation, whether via timeline of genetic, and start thinking for ourselves and realizing that this is the point in history where freedoms will slip away never to be reinstated in many lifetimes. I am asking you, dear friends, does anyone else feel like the familiarity level of this is off the charts with this guy? If so how far have we been manipulated and how do we take back the reins of our future???

[onawah]

More from Simon, on the same thread:

Hmmmm - on the 24th September operation BumbleHive went off line, just like CERN did. This big, big project of the NSA ( BumbleHive) was sent a sharp reminder that "others" watch and wait.

I am gathering from this that he means there are benevolent ETs who are involved here, who do not want to see more damage done and will act accordingly.
To see the whole picture, we have to consider all information, most especially that which we consider to be credible.
Knowing that we aren't alone and are receiving help when it's needed doesn't mean we can shrug off responsibility for ourselves, but it can also help us to avoid electing to just automatically believe the worst, as a kind of knee jerk reaction.

[Wookie]

Posted by Oouthere (here)
So free phones for the poor is not socialism? Forcing everyone to buy insurance even though they will probably not need it for at least 30 or 40 years is not socialism? Then what is it? When you take money from those that have and give to those that do not, that is a basic premise of socialism. It does not matter if the government directly or indirectly causes it.

Rich

I call it New Age slavory rather than socialism, 2% realize they are slaves, 1% owners, 1% willing to face the facts. Think of the free phones not as a modern necessity but as the leash and collare that they realy are. Forcing the population to partake in Big Pharma is not bettering the population threw heath care but indenturing all those people into share cropping and debt slavory. When a government robs from the poor to give to the rich it should not be thought about as socialism.

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[araucaria]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)
Well I think Obama is definitely a Marxist and I am not the only one.

This is a common misconception.

Just tell me one thing Obama has done in the Marxist/Socialist/Communist direction. Just one.

This is the usual Alex Jones far right brainwashing.

As far as I know and as far as evidences go, Obama has been totally working in favor of mega-capitalist institutions, taking money from the poor and middle class and giving it to the super-rich, which is exactly the opposite of the Marxist ideal.

Raf.

Hi, Raf -- risveglio will surely explain his view, but this might have been meant in the sense that Marxism <--> Fascism is not a linear spectrum, but a kind of circle where the "ends" actually loop round to meet.

It's arguable that both Marxism and Fascism are both fundamentally Totalitarian, in very much the same way. George Orwell made this plain in his [other] masterwork, Animal Farm. Interesting subject to discuss separately.

The political spectrum is indeed similar to the colour spectrum, where red and violet meet to form the colour wheel, which is the basis of colour theory, although in this case, there is no ‘round the back’: it’s complementary colours all the way (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_wheel ).

Totalitarian far left and far right meet in the sense that they have the same populist constituency – those fallen by the wayside. This is particularly obvious here in France, where the far right feeds on the former communist vote in the same inner-city and other underprivileged areas. But round the front the sociological and economic situation is out of synch with the politics. The ‘centre’ is completely off-centre, rather like magnetic north deviating from true north.

For it is also true that left and right meet round the front at the point called centrism. Most so-called stable societies move very little either side of this point. It is also known as liberalism, a feelgood word for out-and-out capitalism. In other words, the political ‘centre’ is way to the right of the sociological centre, which would be the lower middle class. Hence you get someone like Tony Blair leading a ‘left-wing’ Labour party, who in his true colours becomes a multi-millionaire. Between the aristocratic right and the centre, you have the right of the nouveau riche. The US system is even further to the right, to the extent that the nouveau riche, the selfmade man of the American dream, is seen as something of a left-winger. Everyone is ushered rightwards by the drawing power of money and the use of ‘socialism’ as a dirty word. In other words, the political centre is currently aligned with the economic centre, which in terms of numbers is entirely and increasingly elitist.

Right-wing totalitarianism occurs seamlessly. Follow the money: bought-and-paid-for politicians financed by their wealthy neighbours on the political spectrum and pushed towards more control.
Left-wing totalitarianism on the other hand is a treacherous aberration: bought-and-paid-for politicians financed by their wealthy enemies on the political spectrum to abandon their own people. These are the wolves in sheep’s clothing, and their role is to disenfranchise the large populist constituency from the political system through the threat of totalitarianism. It also has the effect of turning away traditionally very left-leaning intellectuals (ever wondered why?) towards the right. As public figures, these intellectuals have been corrupted in one way or another: I doubt whether a purely intellectual process has led them to where they are; at all events, the kindest way of looking at them is to say they lack integrity. The right-wing loop has been twisted into the left-wing Moebius strip.

All in all, the sociological centre, where the vast majority of the population lie (regardless of their voting habits), is considerably to the left of the political centre, and heading further leftwards as the lower middle classes are increasingly pauperized. The objective of achieving critical mass will be reached when the political centre is aligned with the sociological centre – away from the economic centre. This has to be done by people with integrity: political integrity (avoiding the temptations of power), economic integrity (avoiding the temptations of money), and sociological integrity (avoiding separation from one’s roots by avoiding the temptations of social status). People with true humility prepared to see things as they are and act accordingly.

I see Simon Parkes is back on the forum. Welcome back Simon.

[161803398]

I think the PTB always pick presidents who have a weakness so they can be blackmailed and controlled. They picked Kennedy for that reason as well but got a surprise.

[araucaria]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
I think the PTB always pick presidents who have a weakness so they can be blackmailed and controlled. They picked Kennedy for that reason as well but got a surprise.

The surprise came because Joe Kennedy groomed his eldest son for the presidency, but he was killed during the war. Jack was the younger brother who hadn't been groomed for so long. You find the same thing in the British royal family. Edward VIII was ousted (by Simon Parkes' grandfather among others) in favour of his younger brother, George VI. These surprises are the work of a faction within the PTB, hence the need not to generalize.

[jackovesk]

Apologies for jumping in, but I really hope some of you American's use your innate (COMMON-SENSE) to pave a (CLEAR-WAY) to the (TRUTH) concerning your beloved leader & (What do you guys call it?) .....aaha That's right...

Your ("COMMANDER in CHIEF")...!

Aussie Translation: Your ("COMMANDER in DEATH, DESTRUCTION & GOLF HOLIDAYS")...!

I really hope its (SINKING IN) this time America... (Coz ya got no goddam future if it doesn't...) especially with the CIA Actor Barry (My Wife got Caught in a Honey-Trap) Soetoro leading you (ALL) down a path towards your ultimate demise so fast you won't see it coming even if you are AWAKE...!!!

PS - The question I'd like to ask Barry is...

Why did your wife get caught in a (HONEY-TRAP)...

PSS - In fairness to the Yanks, I think??? the (sleeping GIANT ) is albeit...

...(sssssllllllooooowwwwlllllllyyyyy - sssstttttaaarrrttttiiiiinnnnnggggg - toooo - wwwwwaaaakkkkkeeeeuuuuupppppp)... 'Thank God...