Who, really, is Barack Obama? THIS APPEARS TO BE THE TRUTH.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Cognitive Dissident]

Posted by avid (here)
Whatever happens, Rahkyt, this poor chap is being used as a pawn in the great game. I feel sorry for him. He was meant to be here now - a mixture of black and white, gay and straight, Moslem and Christian, he probably suffers greatly by his 'handlers'. He is ageing beyond his years. Whatever 'their' game is - I hope he is released from it soonest - to actually have a life. This is truly horrific - to actually realise what is going on now, and to see the 'playing' of an individual to their detriment daily. Does he just say what he is supposed to say - is he allowed to have thoughts of his own any more? I doubt it. He is a figurehead - and most definitely a puppet. Horrendous.

A bit late, but I just saw this:

http://merovee.wordpress.com/2013/11...gay-president/

Amazing photos, especially the one of him and Rahm, such affection. Of course, nothing wrong with him being gay, but having to be in the closet like that, wow, that would lead to great suffering, as you say.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by blufire (here)
from Bills post #125

I should clarify my stance, which is non-negotiable, rock solid, and crystal clear: that the NWO plans are evil, being implemented by evil people (and/or beings).

They do not have the best interests of humanity at heart. They are serving something else.

I profoundly disagree with your stance, and although I know you believe what you are saying, and I respect your courage in telling your truth, I feel that you are just as profoundly incorrect and I strongly suspect you have been misled by others who wish you to be a promoter of an evil agenda. And I write those words knowing exactly what they mean.

In my opinion, you are inadvertently doing the cause for human freedom a huge disservice. It is a significant personal frustration for me that you cannot seem to see this.

I do believe you are well-intentioned: but in your words and vectors you promote, you might as well not be.

Bill, I will have to say I am having extreme deja’ vue right now and am very upset.

I was an evangelist’s (preacher) wife for 16 long years and the church we belonged was very legalistic and dogmatic. I worked hard at being the best minister’s wife possible by following the legalistic expectations every step of the way. This particular version of Christianity is huge on bible study to the point of understanding the books of the ‘bible’ from the original Greek and Hebrew.

The more I studied the ‘bible’ and what I was expected to teach and espouse and how I was to live my life (from the church’s dogma) I became profoundly troubled, because what I understood after all those years of personal study and application in my personal life and what this church and my evangelist husband wanted me to believe and do, simply did not match up. I found that I could not in any way support what my husband was teaching from the pulpit and what the church as a whole believed and promoted.

I found myself in a huge quandary. At this point in my marriage I had 2 small children and although I am college educated I had worked outside the home very little. I was young and scared, but could not come to terms with the lies and misery that was foundationally being taught and not only in this church but in the Christian Religion as a whole.

I began testing the waters with questions based soundly from scripture during bible studies at the church. I began asking questions and putting forth what was deemed by the leadership as disruptive and unsubmissive..

My questions and understanding were exactly what is brought out right in this forum . . . the flat out misconception of what the bible is and how Christianity was formed and why it has been so promoted over the centuries. I found ‘like minds’ in the alternative world when it came to the truth of organized religion.

Even though my questions and point of view could not be disproved or refuted I was told to cease my questioning and speaking my point of view.

I was brought before the elders of the church several times and made to be prayed over and chastised and bullied.

I was told over and over I was wrong . . . that I had been deceived by the devil and that I needed to repent and ask forgiveness for my sinful unsubmissive feminist ways. I was told I could no longer speak in the church or ask any more questions or make comments that were not in line with their and the churchs ‘truth’ and that I was being destructive to the congregation.


Now I find myself in the exact same place with the alternative world and with this forum and with you.


I know what I am saying is in direct opposition with the alternative worlds beliefs as a whole and what I am saying is as uncomfortable to most as my questions and comments were to the church.

So what Bill would you have me do?

You are saying much as the elders and my preacher husband said . . . .that I have been deceived by someone or something with an evil agenda to cause me to have these contrary points of view and beliefs . . . that just like the church I am harmful and a disservice to the forum and the alternative world.

I am sitting here in total disbelief that I find myself in the exact same place.

So you tell me Bill and the other perceived leaders of this forum . . . . am I being disfellowshipped and/or shunned and/or told to keep my mouth shut.

Am I to believe that again I am being deceived and duped by the ‘evil ones’ . . . .

Where do I go now? What do I do now?

I disagree with most of your views but I cannot come to same same conclusion as others.
I don't KNOW if you were deceived. That would just be an opinion which I could not prove. Besides which, I don't hold that opinion anyway.

I think your outlook on these things is your own. NOT some deception forced upon you by so called "evil people".

Yes, people should continue the dialogue with you if they strongly disagree with your point of view but without sarcasm or hidden suggestions couched in certain language (not in this thread but has happened in other threads) and likewise you should be able to express your views without fear of reprisal.

Clearly, you have been through this type of thing before as your post above points out but your opinions are not being repressed here.

To be clear, I do not see your views being suppressed here on Avalon. I have not seen anyone say "shut your mouth"
However, sometimes people have to agree to disagree.

[mosquito]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Just been reading this thread and I have to say that RMorgan, I always find your posts to be some of the best and most informed post on Avalon. They are also consistently level-headed and correct.

Here here !!

It saddens me that Americans, and they're not alone, cannot see through their deep-level brainwashing. Time and again we see threads complaining, rightly, about the Federal Reserve. The reason you have a private corporation in control of your nation's money supply is because the USA is ...... capitalist. If Obama was a communist or even a socialist, one of his first actions wold have been to nationalize the Fed. Isn't that what you want ??

Anyway, I'm not entirely convinced by the OP. So he was taught by an actor - so what ? As for the highlighted statement that the man in question predicted in 1988 that Obama would be president - is retrospective prediction now something which we are expected to take as a legitimate indicator of a "whistleblower's" credibility ? If so, please let me know, I sniff a money making opportunity.

[RMorgan]

Posted by mariposafe (here)

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Just been reading this thread and I have to say that RMorgan, I always find your posts to be some of the best and most informed post on Avalon. They are also consistently level-headed and correct.

Here here !!

It saddens me that Americans, and they're not alone, cannot see through their deep-level brainwashing. Time and again we see threads complaining, rightly, about the Federal Reserve. The reason you have a private corporation in control of your nation's money supply is because the USA is ...... capitalist. If Obama was a communist or even a socialist, one of his first actions wold have been to nationalize the Fed. Isn't that what you want ??

Yes, this is just a distant reflection of the red fear propaganda used to brainwash people during the years of the cold war.

Generally, because of this conditioned notion of socialism, Americans don't really know what it is; Everyone they dislike or consider to be an enemy is automatically labeled as "communist".

People like Alex Jones, as example, had called Obama a Communist-Nazi numerous times, which is essentially laughable, since Nazism and Communism are completely opposed ideologies...I respect Alex Jones, but he clearly appeals to fear porn very often. This is a perfect example, after all. What enemy could be worse than a mix of Stalin and Hitler, all in the same person, like a Communist-Nazi president?

Anyway, I'm not defending Obama at all. I know he's just a puppet but I also know that very probably all of America's next presidents will be puppets as well...Most likely, if you could impeach him right now, it wouldn't make any difference.

I'm not defending Socialism as well, as I've stated before, by the way.

Anyway, I don't agree about using low tactics to attack anyone. Even a President is also an individual and has the right to privacy. If he's gay or likes to snort some coke once in a while is completely irrelevant.

Of course, feel free to judge him for his work as President. If he's not doing a good job, and he isn't, people have the right to criticize him, but exclusively for his failures as a President.

Don't do to others what you don't want done to you, right? No one here is a saint. We've all done stupid things in the past and we all have secrets. A lot of us had our share of illicit drugs in the past, and probably none of us was married a virgin.

You know, in a truly free world people would have the right to experiment with their sexuality, drugs and whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anybody, without having to worry about other people judging them.

If people worried about things that really matter, not about hypocritical political correctness, the world would a much better place to live by now.

Who knows...Maybe, when presidential candidates wouldn't have to worry about pretending to a perfect model of an impeccable citizen, nor to have a perfect problems-free family, people will make their vote choices based on ideas, not on appearances. We could all make a much better use of our limited time if we didn't have to spend 90% of it pretending to be something we aren't.

[chocolate]

Heated thread. I don't know how it started with Obama being actor/gay/clone/puppet/descent from an Egyptian god/Marxist/etc. and ended up with blufire in the corner.
I think this is a result of suppressed emotions coming into the light of the day for everyone involved.

I still am trying to figure out if Bill found the answer to his question. I think he had a specific and important reason for starting the thread.

For me Amzer Zo, Rahkyt and a few other members brought up some interesting information that was new and helpful for shaping my further understanding on this subject.

--->I was reading a current article on JFK's assassination (http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/...y-unspeakable/ ) and it reminded me of this thread. ---<

So if we decide to disregard the obvious [the smoke screen(s)], where do we stand right now?

just asking?
peace!

[Flash]

I started to disregard the thread, when I started to see stuff unrelated to any truth, such as Obama holding hand with Biden at Church and therefore being gay. First, we did not see the guys faces on the picture, second, how often people hold hands in prayer at Church, very often, and the are not gay for that. Third, this presumption is insulting to other cultures who old hands irrescpective of sexes for friendship. The other picture of a hug is the same, since when a hug is equated with gay???? The whole population would be gay here!!

Such unresearched and irresponsible comments kill threads. I Wonder if its author is aware of this??? And if it were a joke or a sacarsm, it had to be mentioned please.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by blufire (here)
from Bills post #125

I should clarify my stance, which is non-negotiable, rock solid, and crystal clear: that the NWO plans are evil, being implemented by evil people (and/or beings).

They do not have the best interests of humanity at heart. They are serving something else.

I profoundly disagree with your stance, and although I know you believe what you are saying, and I respect your courage in telling your truth, I feel that you are just as profoundly incorrect and I strongly suspect you have been misled by others who wish you to be a promoter of an evil agenda. And I write those words knowing exactly what they mean.

In my opinion, you are inadvertently doing the cause for human freedom a huge disservice. It is a significant personal frustration for me that you cannot seem to see this.

I do believe you are well-intentioned: but in your words and vectors you promote, you might as well not be.

Bill, I will have to say I am having extreme deja’ vue right now and am very upset.

I was an evangelist’s (preacher) wife for 16 long years and the church we belonged was very legalistic and dogmatic. I worked hard at being the best minister’s wife possible by following the legalistic expectations every step of the way. This particular version of Christianity is huge on bible study to the point of understanding the books of the ‘bible’ from the original Greek and Hebrew.

The more I studied the ‘bible’ and what I was expected to teach and espouse and how I was to live my life (from the church’s dogma) I became profoundly troubled, because what I understood after all those years of personal study and application in my personal life and what this church and my evangelist husband wanted me to believe and do, simply did not match up. I found that I could not in any way support what my husband was teaching from the pulpit and what the church as a whole believed and promoted.

I found myself in a huge quandary. At this point in my marriage I had 2 small children and although I am college educated I had worked outside the home very little. I was young and scared, but could not come to terms with the lies and misery that was foundationally being taught and not only in this church but in the Christian Religion as a whole.

I began testing the waters with questions based soundly from scripture during bible studies at the church. I began asking questions and putting forth what was deemed by the leadership as disruptive and unsubmissive..

My questions and understanding were exactly what is brought out right in this forum . . . the flat out misconception of what the bible is and how Christianity was formed and why it has been so promoted over the centuries. I found ‘like minds’ in the alternative world when it came to the truth of organized religion.

Even though my questions and point of view could not be disproved or refuted I was told to cease my questioning and speaking my point of view.

I was brought before the elders of the church several times and made to be prayed over and chastised and bullied.

I was told over and over I was wrong . . . that I had been deceived by the devil and that I needed to repent and ask forgiveness for my sinful unsubmissive feminist ways. I was told I could no longer speak in the church or ask any more questions or make comments that were not in line with their and the churchs ‘truth’ and that I was being destructive to the congregation.


Now I find myself in the exact same place with the alternative world and with this forum and with you.


I know what I am saying is in direct opposition with the alternative worlds beliefs as a whole and what I am saying is as uncomfortable to most as my questions and comments were to the church.

So what Bill would you have me do?

You are saying much as the elders and my preacher husband said . . . .that I have been deceived by someone or something with an evil agenda to cause me to have these contrary points of view and beliefs . . . that just like the church I am harmful and a disservice to the forum and the alternative world.

I am sitting here in total disbelief that I find myself in the exact same place.

So you tell me Bill and the other perceived leaders of this forum . . . . am I being disfellowshipped and/or shunned and/or told to keep my mouth shut.

Am I to believe that again I am being deceived and duped by the ‘evil ones’ . . . .

Where do I go now? What do I do now?

Dear blufire:

Your commendable openness about your prior experience is very revealing. It looks as plain as a pikestaff that history is repeating itself for you ... personally. This has nothing to do with the forum, though, or the matters discussed. It is some kind of a personal pattern which all therapists and counselors will be familiar with. This kind of thing happens quite often with many people.

Here's the lowdown:

1. This is no Church.
2. I am not your ex-husband.

and, importantly

3. Just because you were not wrong the first time, does NOT mean you are not wrong now.

<-- I'm not minimalizing how you feel. But when it comes to the analysis of facts and the conducting of rational debate, there's no connection here apart from your strong subjective feelings of being once again unfairly marginalized, persecuted, and misunderstood.

In the presentation you make of your views on GMOs and much else, you could be wrong, you know.

You asked:

Am I to believe that again I am being deceived and duped by the ‘evil ones’ . . . .

My answer is: in my strong opinion, yes, absolutely.

[risveglio]

Posted by mariposafe (here)

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Just been reading this thread and I have to say that RMorgan, I always find your posts to be some of the best and most informed post on Avalon. They are also consistently level-headed and correct.

Here here !!

It saddens me that Americans, and they're not alone, cannot see through their deep-level brainwashing. Time and again we see threads complaining, rightly, about the Federal Reserve. The reason you have a private corporation in control of your nation's money supply is because the USA is ...... capitalist. If Obama was a communist or even a socialist, one of his first actions wold have been to nationalize the Fed. Isn't that what you want ??

Anyway, I'm not entirely convinced by the OP. So he was taught by an actor - so what ? As for the highlighted statement that the man in question predicted in 1988 that Obama would be president - is retrospective prediction now something which we are expected to take as a legitimate indicator of a "whistleblower's" credibility ? If so, please let me know, I sniff a money making opportunity.

I am sorry but we do not have Capitalism, maybe we need to change the name but the fact is the US has not had anything remotely resembling real Capitalism in generations. Our so called private corporations that you love to talk about are mostly public companies owned by stock holders and are mostly creations of the state. I think Corporatism works as a description of what we have become but I also say Fascism because the only difference in my mind so far is we are not admitting to the people we want perpetual war.

A free market voluntary system if we ever get one will lead to peace and prosperity across the globe. This socialist dream you have will just lead to the enslavement of people. I may not have the same understanding of Socialism as all you highly evolved and educated individuals but you two have no idea what is Capitalism, but that is ok because it is the misconception of Capitalism that the PTB want, they want to move us away from being free, independent people to just being pawns in their game.

This book is free online and is where I get my understanding of the dangers of Socialism though my real disagreement with Socialism is that it is the opposite of freedom. Maybe I am too quick to call someone a socialist but that is probably because like Von Mises, I think just about everyone is a socialist.

http://mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx

It's free, read it and tell me why you what you were taught is better. BTW, none of this is taught to us in schools here. Socialism is taught as some great wonderful thing with unicorns and fairies keeping us all happy and peacefull in our school system.

[chocolate]

I am still trying to see how Obama puzzle piece fits in the overall picture. I KNOW it is important to see the answer to that.
But,
I guess I have to write what I think based on what I have read so far.

Learning that [presumably] Obama has been prepared for this position years before the moment in time he was elected draws for me the following conclusion: matters have been staged by entities, or people for ease of expression, to serve a cause or a trend or a stream of events. Why I go in this direction ---> I come from a so called communist/socialist country closely related to the ex USSR. My father used to read a lot of books, but since at the time what was available was either science fiction or books that would present the west in very strong colors, I grew up reading books about spies, Russian and from the "bad" west. I also encountered a lot written by Victor Suvorov, which was truly revealing the complexity of the situation. That is how I discovered also that this world seems to operate under the cover of something and someone(s). Naturally for me the idea that Obama has been groomed from his birth for this stage fits in MY OWN vision of the world right now.

Having keen interest in mythology and all sorts of stories about gods, Egyptian as well, leads me to think that that connection is also quite possible. And knowing a bit about secret projects run by governments with or without ET help, pushes me in a direction of some sort of staged birth and the rest in that line.

So, briefly, for me he is staged to be where he is to correspond to something the ruling side sees as beneficial for them. And seeing how well they have taken care of the Earth and all humans, I draw the conclusion that whatever they are after is not something I will want to see happen.

That above was a very simplistic explanation based on my [seemingly] simple view on life.

I don't pay attention to sexual orientations, political orientation (communist/socialist/fascist/ capitalist, they all are the same to me based on their fruits) or the way someone is portrayed in the open. BUT! what is happening in that area could be a clue!

What I would like to understand for my own purpose of seeing the puzzle form is what is the agenda in some more detail behind that particular "puppet" and his "puppeteers".
Let's say there will be future based on the existence of Barak Obama. What that future will be like? And if it turns out to be gray, un-human, unsocial, unnatural, etc. in that line of thought, can we do something to prevent it from happening [and waking up is only part of the solution. there should be something else that we can do].

Or he might end up doing something unexpectedly good for mankind, who knows. I have to say I start to think deep when someone starts receiving all sorts of politically "bad" image. Or is this just a way of distracting and disinformation?
That is what we could figure out for the benefit of getting to our own version(s) of the truth here...

[sheme]

Dear bluefire Avalon would never shun someone because of their reasoned truths, that would make a mockery of everything it stands for.
I acknowledge your truth as relevant as my own, we all stand on a different part of the circle, we all see what we see from where we are. Until we can walk a mile in each others shoes it ever will be so.

First be true to yourself. There are many truths. Love and peace to you.

[3optic]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
------

Here's what I don't understand.

Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual? Even if they wanted a black President at this time, there must have been many other options. What would have been wrong with Colin Powell?

The risks seem to have been huge. Forged birth certificate, unsavory stories emerging, murders of gay lovers in Chicago, drug history, sexual history... This guy is NOT a hero. It MUST have been known this would all inevitably leak. Surely someone in the elite President-selection group would have said: "Listen, we need a safer option."

Another possibility is that this is a carefully planned set-up. Maybe Obama is already installed with a "kill-switch". That could be to

• keep him totally in line (like someone being blackmailed), or
• to deliberately discredit him later, at some strategic point not yet reached. Like:

Problem : Obama is outed nationally and globally as a sociopathic fraud, lacking all personal integrity.
Reaction : Public outrage... "This must NEVER happen again"
Solution : Someone is brought in with totally impeccable credentials who seems like a genuine knight in shining armor -- but this time, is the REAL 'Antichrist'.

I welcome all serious ideas. It IS hard to understand why they took this apparent risk.

Perhaps they want to denigrate the office, part of a larger psy op to bring the US down. So far the last 2 presidents have been for one reason or another illegitimate. The one prior was disgraced and humiliated before leaving office.

The better to get everyone on board this Global Governance. Obviously U.S. system "doesn't work" or is sufficiently decayed, corrupt. Bring on the post-Democratic era..

[chocolate]

I was so not looking at that obvious scenario... Thank you, 3optic.

NOW I hope Barak Obama, [if he is a living person and all], will do something unexpectedly good for mankind.

[Joe Akulis]

A note to Blufire:

Earth is a school. It may have started out as a wonderous place where spirits were drawn to experience truly unique beauty, at a very tactile level, but over the ages, because of the depth we have to descend to in order to incarnate here, it became more and more of a challenge, and somewhat of a trap, to many of its visitors and natives alike.

At its current state, you can believe that all of the major figures of today are actors on a stage. They provide us a very good platform for each of us to learn about what it is like to exercise our free will. If there were not avenues where people could be jerks and practice dominating other people, then we wouldn't really know what the full extent of free will had to offer, would we?

What Bill is trying to do is to edify some of the information available, and some of the conclustions we can make about one particular player on the stage. If you don't buy into any of those conclusions, don't struggle with the problem head on. Take the problem up one level and think of it this way: Much of the information that reaches your mind and is used by you to form your current beliefs in this earth school is filtered by your higher self. It's possible that this conflict of beliefs about this particular actor on the the stage has been brought about for a purpose.

My intuition suggests that you may have caused an undue amount of suffering to yourself and maybe to your loved ones at some time in your past, due to the fact that you like to believe that everyone is good at heart. I don't know you, so I may be way off the mark, but is it possible that the lessen in all this, for you, may have something to do with you learning to avoid rushing to commit your beliefs in everyone's better nature? Perhaps there is value in you learning to be a bit more reluctant to try on your beliefs about someone, and instead stay a bit more detached when it comes to what your opinions are... Maybe doing this in the past has gotten you burned...

*shrug* This is just me trying to interpret the reason why your higher self may have placed you into this particular box that you think you're facing in this argument. It's most likely some kind of lesson that you and only you are in need of, in order to grow another step closer to graduation from this school. But what the lesson might be, I guess only you will be able to see that, later on when you are looking backwards upon this situation.

Just some thoughts. Hope it helps.

Seeker.

[Robin]

Actor Lennix Coy On Claims He Trained Obama

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
November 18, 2013

Actor Harry Lennix reacted coyly to claims by Chicago radio host Eric ‘Mancow’ Muller that he trained Barack Obama to copy his mannerisms, denying the story as “hearsay,” yet cryptically adding, “you’d have to ask him.”

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YxGcP5JxX9k

As we reported last week, Muller told the Alex Jones Show that Lennix – star of TV’s The Blacklist - reacted to seeing a cut out of Obama in Muller’s studio by proclaiming, “He mimicked me, he followed me for years, and they wanted me to train him and teach him how to act….like a an educated south side African-American.” Lennix added that he thought Obama was “very stupid” and had “been taught to act like this.”

Mancow’s producer Nathan also confirmed that he saw the conversation take place.

After an event at which Lennix appeared, a blogger asked the actor if the claims were true.

“Those are not my words,” said Lennix, who admitted he knew of the controversy, labeling the matter “hearsay.”

However, when asked, “Did Obama train to be like you or is that not true?,” Lennix coyly responded, “You’d have to ask him.”

“I knew him a long time….I have no idea what he did,” added Lennix, who was obviously being guarded with his words.

“I don’t like Barack Obama or his policies but I never said I trained him or anything of the kind,” added Lennix, who said he heard of the controversy surrounding the interview but not the interview itself.

Whereas Lennix was reportedly more candid with Muller – calling Obama a “rat bastard” – in the clip above he admits only to not being a supporter of the president.

Lennix’s body language and demeanor is remarkably similar to Barack Obama’s, which is why many have called for Lennix to play the president in a biopic. The actor has also been pictured with Obama in numerous photos.

However, the fact that Lennix reportedly turned down such a role suggests that he is aware of the irony of playing a character who mimics his own behavior – meaning Lennix would essentially be playing himself.

Watch the original interview with ‘Mancow’ Muller below, during which he outlines what Lennix reportedly told him about training Obama to act presidential.

[araucaria]

I am thinking Dolores Cannon’s Back Drop People might be applicable here. It may seem counter-intuitive to have world leaders played by extras, but on the other hand they are entities that everyone knows about, but very few actually know.

Posted by Delight (here)
Reminded of her by this thread, I checked into the latest on Dolores Cannon and found this really strange new concept from her....Back Drop People. It seems to be a similar idea as an Organic Portal? There is not one evolutionary pathway.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4Gc1mGdoHRg

The Backdrop People in the latest “Convoluted Universe” book. (“D” stands for Dolores, and those are her questions to the hypnotized subject Suzette, who is “S.” Bolded sentences my own emphasis):

S: It’s like those people back at the cave, they’re just people. They don’t have a path. They’re just people. I had a path. That child had a path.

D: So if you choose an option, you don’t go off that path? Is that what you mean?

S: Yes. there’s just so many in this room where the crystals are that choose a life or have a path. The rest of the people aren’t sent here on a path.

D: What are their lives for then?

S: It’s like a backdrop.

That was a strange statement. I had never hard of that before.

D: What do you mean?

S: In a movie they paint something around the person so there’s a backdrop.

D: So the others don’t really have a purpose?

S: Right. They come to live, breathe, work and die.

D: Is there any hope that they might find a path, or are they a different kind of soul?

S: They didn’t choose. They’re just here to be part of the backdrop. They’re slaves. They’re slaves that go from one star system to the next and they are used as a backdrop.

D: Just to be there for these persons with a purpose.

S: Yes. For you to learn, to stay on your path, you have to have these other people in your way, living beside you, but you’re here for a lesson and they’re here for a backdrop.

D: Yes, but sometimes they create problems, to try to pull you off your path? (Yes) Is that part of their purpose, to distract you? (Yes) But when you’re in your body, you don’t know all these things, do you?

S: Not all beings are the light source. Not all light beings are the light source. They’re just here as energy to help us with our lessons, to create chaos, or to work or just to live. Certain beings go to learn the lessons for the light Source. It’s like you’re just a higher being.

D: Then the other ones, they don’t evolve to become higher beings?

S: No, they’re just energy. Like making a movie where they use extras.

D: But the ones on the path, the higher source, can they recognize each other out of all the mass of other people? (Yes) If we could do that, we wouldn’t let things bother us so much, would we?

S: That’s right.

D: If we knew they were there to add drama, I guess you would say? (Yes)

[…]

D: What is it you want Suzette to do to help?

S: Teach the young. They came here, too, but everything is going to happen quicker. They’re going to help sooner because there’s only….OH! My head hurts. (I gave her suggestions again.)

D: Why do they have to learn quicker?

S: Time is short because of these lower beings. All they want to do is hurt each other. They want to destroy each other. they want to destroy the land, which hurts the animals, the trees and the water. And in short, you have to get to the youth so they can spread the words and help heal the planet.

D: The adults are not going to be able to help?

S: The higher source adults. The others have gone from doing their jobs as backdrops to being angry. They want to be angry at somebody or something and all they want to do is kill…kill or hurt. (She winced in pain again.)

[….]

D: I’ve heard there are some that are not going to be able to be saved.

S: No. The backdrop people, but they’re angry.

D: The vibrations are changing. So the backdrop people will stay with the old Earth? (Yes) And that’s why they’re angry?

S: Yes. It’s like they’re acting and they got a script and they are playing this part, and their part is to destroy this planet.

D: they have anger about this? (Yes) But the planet cannot be destroyed, can it?

S: No. It can’t be. It’s just like when the dinosaurs died and the trees died, but everything came back to life. Not the dinosaurs or the trees, but they don’t know that part of it. But this is a beautiful planet. This is a beautiful home. Not as pretty as the crystal place, but….

D: Then the backdrop people will stay with the Earth going through all the changes, the catastrophe part?

S: Yes, they won’t survive. They’ll be gone. The others will move on. This new place will be so beautiful. The vibration will be so high and this will be a learning place.

D: That’s what I was trying to understand. It will separate into two parts?

S: Yes. It’s like two levels, and the old Earth will be on one level, and the new Earth will be on the higher level. But they won’t see each other, like they’re in two time warps.

[…]

D: So those that are left with the old Earth will live out their lives in a different way? (Yes) You said those people are not evolving at all?

S: Yes. They’re just like the backdrop, you know, like paint a picture and paint somebody on it.

D: So as the Earth goes through all the changes and catastrophes, there will be many people dying.

S: Yes, yes. there will be a lot of that. (Matter-of-factly.)

D: But they choose this before they come in anyway?

S: No, not so much choose. They’re kind of like slaves. They’re taken from one place to another to do whatever they need to do there because they are just energy.

(The following was Dolores’ own commentary after mulling this over and putting it together with other hypnosis sessions that have talked about the “two earths” and the upcoming changes and “sifting” that’s supposedly going to take place):

“It is now my opinion that these are the ones who will be left with the Old Earth, the Backdrop People because they do not have a higher vibrational purpose. They teach us lessons by their mere presence, but they are not intended to evolve further. These are the ones who will be left behind. The ones who realize their higher purpose and raise their vibration and frequency will travel on to the New Earth. There will be those who came in knowing their mission and had high ideals, but they let the negativity of the others pull them down and influence them. Those will also have to stay with the other energy on the Old Earth as they separate. This is why it is important for us to realize that it is only an illusion and find our role in the creation of the New Earth, and our part in helping others find theirs. And not be sucked into the angry energy of the Backdrop People and be stuck on the Old Earth….”

Carrissa Conti commentary (segment taken from her blog http://in2worlds.net/thoughts)
As far as the idea of a splitting earth, and a sifting, with those who evolve and move on and those who are left behind, the jury is still out on that one. It’s something I’ve heard about for years now, and I’ve made mention in my writings about splitting/diverging realms and such, which relates to that. (courtesy of learning about it from various other sources, and feeling like the concept has validity.) But I reprint all this because even if that aspect is not true, I still find the idea of “back drop”/background characters to be fascinating and important for consideration. Specifically what Dolores notes: “And not be sucked into the angry energy of the Backdrop People.”

For myself I know that for my entire life I’ve let myself get sucked down into the negative, angry energy of what could definitely be considered “backdrop people” letting them almost ruin me you could say. That’s why this resonates with me so strongly, and why I want to pass it along to others. I know that ever since my brother relayed what he did about the background drone puppets in 2001 I always kept it in mind as a possibility, but really, there’s just no way to prove such a thing. So I had intellectual knowing of a concept that could be very real, but which I was reluctant to truly implement into my daily life. Later I came across the concept of “organic portals,” which is very similar, though it’s not presented in the same way that the backdrop people are. But the gist is the same: a large percentage of the population who are basically a hive mind group soul, lacking individualization, and lacking their higher chakras and a higher self. They are incapable of spiritually growing and evolving, and don’t reincarnate the way individualized souls do. And they also apparently obtain energy from the spirited humans around them (usually through negative means) since they can’t generate it themselves. Hearing about OPs in 2002 was the first time I’d encountered material that seemed to even be remotely validating what Joe had relayed to me a year before. But I soon learned what a landmine that subject is. To say it’s “controversial” in metaphysical circles is putting it mildly. It provokes some very strong reactions in people that seem to be acting as rabidly barking gatekeeper dogs, is the only way to really put it. I can understand if someone is skeptical of an idea and/or decides, Na, this idea doesn’t work for me, I don’t believe it. But the rabid barkers seem to actually be trying to steer people away from even looking at the material, using any means possible to do so. (the big one being to liken anybody who even considers the idea of OPs as being the equivalent of Nazis who want to exterminate all the Jews. You see that comparison a lot, which is laughable. Talk about extreme leap of bad logic.) “Nothing to see here folks, move it along! Nothing to see! (insert rabid barking, ad hominem attack and other crazy bad logic to deter people away from that line of thinking.)

So I put the idea of such things back out of my head again, because again….there’s no way to prove such a thing anyway. I can’t see people’s energy, though I wish I did, and so I’m unable to know who’s who and what’s what around me via sight (Though I’ve met a few trustworthy people who do have the sight, and who’ve reported such things as non-human entities shadowing humans, and/or disguised as everyday regular people, as well as verifying that they’ve seen people with no auras and such, walking around amongst those who do have them. Which I think could be a whole other separate, though related subject in itself…..) I do a good job intuiting people, but I can’t “see” things directly. Then starting around last year I began revisiting the subject, when I began thinking “What if all those people who’ve pissed you off and dragged you down and hurt you and who you’ve invested bitter energy into for so many years…….weren’t even really real? O.o Seriously, what if they aren’t what you thought they were? What if you’ve been expending negative bitterness and frustrations and hurt feelings to the equivalent of an inanimate object?” So I’d been tossing that idea around, going back towards considering the idea again, and then I come across this in Dolores’ newest book in early 2012 talking about this exact same thing. Other than the OP’s thing, hers is the only other material that I’m aware of that delves into such a concept.

Most of us don’t have the sight and can’t know for certain if somebody is really an “OP” or a “backdrop person” just here to fill in the blanks and get in our way, as Suzette relayed, and create drama and chaos so we can learn by their mere presence. But you can certainly keep it in mind as a very likely possibility when thinking back on anybody who’s created problems for you in life, and/or creating trouble for you in the present. Knowing that the possibility exists means….there goes the negative energy you would have wasted on either nursing a past grudge or getting sucked into a current drama. Because seriously….would you sit there and get pissed at a rock, for instance? It’s a rock. What’s the point, right? Or in the case of a past grievance/hurt, just realize, Okay, I was dealing with someone who was acting like a robot. Got it. No need to harbor all this negative energy for something of that sort.”

We can’t change the “rocks” that got in our way in the past or do anything about the way in which we let them get the upper hand on us before, but we can make sure more “rocks” don’t get the best of us again. “hmmm…I could be dealing with a rock here…..Best to err on the side of assuming they’re a rock and not feed into this nonsense.” :D And most importantly, we don’t want anybody dragging us down into their pit. Can’t imagine anything worse than getting pulled off one’s path and permanently derailed….over a rock.

Just something to keep in mind, especially in these times and with whatever’s coming up around the bend……http://in2worlds.net/thoughts

[Robin]

Posted by araucaria (here)
I am thinking Dolores Cannon’s Back Drop People might be applicable here. It may seem counter-intuitive to have world leaders played by extras, but on the other hand they are entities that everyone knows about, but very few actually know.

I found this concept interesting and amusing.

To me it's almost a bit insulting to go up to somebody and tell them that they are a "backdrop person" who does not have a soul. Just thinking about it amuses me!

It seems like this person's subconscious, or this person's ego, decided to put a name on something that either they do not understand, or to validate their beliefs.

It's kind of like devout Christians claiming that dinosaur fossils were put into the ground by God as a way to test humanity's faith. Again, very amusing.

But thank you for posting this. I do think that people have different missions, and this could be worth noting.

[araucaria]

@samwise, dinosaur fossils are very relevant: they could well be backdrops. We have dinosaur fossils, but no dinosaurs. Were there any? We don't know.

[jagman]

I believe Mancow first interview was correct. I do not blame Mr. Lennix for backing
off some of his previous comments made to Mancow and his producers. For godsake
just 2 weeks ago it came out in the mainstream media that BO was bragging that he
really good at killing people. I really dont give a crap if BO is gay. He is a disgrace to
the black community and the white community and to the gay community period.

[AutumnW]

Araucuria, I would be really careful listening to anybody who refers to a majority or even large minority of human beings as 'backdrop people.' This minimizes and/or marginalizes them and feeds the ego of the listener, who is encouraged to identify with the speaker, one of the select. People who are negative and angry aren't necessarily soulless, organic portals. They're stressed out, fearful and living without hope. Trust me, I have been around them too. There's a cottage industry growing up around the idea that a huge percentage of the world's population are, for all intents and purposes, dispensable because they are soulless. It is a potentially very dangerous game to play or ideology to be involved with, imho. Your heart is no doubt in the right place, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Of course there are a tiny minority, who control the world, who should be locked up, after their crimes are exposed. Unfortunately the president would have to initiate this and he has the tools to do it. He could declare a national emergency and then national security laws, that can be applied by the executive branch, (much like what they would have done to Snowdon) could be used to incarcerate them while evidence was gathered. Unfortunately, the president, clearly a psychopath, doesn't want or care to do it. The executive branch, backed by the military, has tremendous power. More now than ever before.