Beyond Spin and Bull****

[Curt]

Personally, I don’t know anything concrete about the Jesuits and the Rothschilds and the Annunaki and the Martians and the Archons and the 4th Reich. Or whether group A is over Group B in the hierarchy. ...

I don’t know whether secret gold is going to be thrown out of vaults to the masses like turkeys on Christmas morning.

I have theories, but I don’t know.

And I don’t think 99% of the people who speak authoritatively on these subjects know either. Some are spinning tales.

Others pass along bogus information unintentionally. Some may even be coerced to do so.

Many of us here are well past the point of wanting to be entertained by stories. ...

As fun as all the speculation and stories can be, digging down deeper to find real truth would be a lot more fun.

Because as tired as I am of being bull****ted, attempts to do so only confirm my suspicion: all the spin is hiding something real.

What is it? What are its dimensions?

There are a lot of good brains here. And not just logical left-brain types, either. We have the whole spectrum.

Millions of people read this forum.

In order for us to fulfil the mission Bill had in mind when he and Kerry started this movement, we have to up our game.

We have to refuse to be ‘entertained.’ We have to get our kicks another way: by carefully sifting information to find bits of truth.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Attacking messengers isn’t what this is about.

Guilty as charged, yet lack of visible progress despite the amazing stories, will continue to make me act out, not smart but I am not above doing just that, my brainfarts and heartfarts should both have an equal opportunity to be heard, anybody who is NOT in the INNER CIRCLE can and will be abused by those claiming their fifteen minutes of shame, those who CLAIM to be IN the INNER CIRCLE of power and/or knowledge, but are really not, are sh!tting on the trust, hope and faith of the human race as a whole and make things worse rather than better.

The noise of the crickets is deafening.

Most information by whistleblowers so far has proven to be nothing more than anecdotal and very little to show for it, nothing to actually see or touch, false hope and pretenses is what we are given at least 85 percent of the time, I am sick of it, I am even sick of being gagged and being forced to express myself in a politically correct and NICE way and I do have the feeling they whoever they may be may have accomplished their mission.

I am sick of messages of hope because most of them are dope for the masses who actually DO look farther then their noses are long, I am all out off defenses, all I have left are snarky observational remarks, religion doesn't cut it, optimism doesn't cut it, negativism doesn't cut it, new age doesn't cut it and realism gets rejected, so I am basically done for, tired of forgiving, tired of forgetting, tired of being lied to, tired of having to use discernment, tired of pumping myself up to deal with this crap in a rational manner, tired of dealing with it in an irrational manner, as a matter of fact, the practical knowledge I ACTUALLY gained can be counted on four fingers of one hand, the rest is just depressing, half baked spiritual advice, crappy UFO footage by night ( no not you Mojo), archons sucking the life out of everything, people who say they fight 2000 year old magicians at night like its as simple as taking a sh!t and yet we expect to be taken seriously, come on, wtf is going on here, I am pretty sure I am NOT alone in feeling this way.

I for one am happy my underbelly still has a voice, it makes me much less DOMESTICATED.

How about landing here on the planet ourselves before trying to take off with everything that goes against the grain of the mainstream, who the hell needs archons, aliens, Satan or tptb, when we have plenty of ****ed up people just waiting in line to push us farther over the edge of the cliff just to claim fame and scare the living bejesus out of their audience, we are being experimented upon, I'll leave it at that.

[donk]

In order for us to fulfil the mission Bill had in mind when he and Kerry started this movement, we have to up our game.

What movement have you seen that hasn't been compromised by the masters of inserting little "twists" on big truths that make them the complete opposite of what they were originally intended to be?

That's the game being played, on every level of reality I'm able to experience (and I'm guessing "as above, so below"?)

Stay mindful my friend! Nice post

[TargeT]

Since humans are mostly water, and water always seeks the easiest path; well I find it no surprise that a lot of information is not well vetted due to it just taking extra effort.

I'm not sure if the phenomenon (lack of vetting, unintentional disinfo spreading) is a desire to be "first" to bring news/theory to a group/community, or a desire for some sort of notoriety (probably related to the first part of this sentence) or just down right being lazy.

I know I personally have glossed over researching on topics due to the "daunting task" of sifting through information that doesn't hold my interest well, and a few times had to correct myself after the fact when I discovered I had passed on bad info (due to the first part of this sentence).

As for the authoritative approach to these subjects, that's another interesting (ego motivated, IMO) phenomenon among humans; most the time all I am sure of is how much more I could know on a topic.

all that aside, I agree & it seems to me that either there is just mass confusion (globally,) and things just seem to be "more" than they are... or there really is something there, and I am more inclined to think there is something there; though not blind to the possibility that my attraction to these types of topics is widely shared & possibly exploited due to that.

And twisting facts, tweaking info to better fit your agenda (perception of reality)... well that's extremely "human" as well, our perceptions are our world, thus what ever info filters through us is colored.

So is it just mass confusion? what's intentional and what's not?

I guess in the end all I can do is question everything, always (as much as I can bring myself to) and if nothing else, I'll learn a few things here and there.

[Bright Garlick]

Curtis there is but one truth that is worth knowing : What am I ?

And only you can discover that great answer !

[Mike]

Nice post Curt.

Did you ever play that game in elementary school where a secret is told to a single student and then subsequently passed from person to person until it has been filtered through each and every student? The msg is inevitably skewed in a significant way. Can you imagine if we did that here?. a single msg passed along all 5000+ members? I think it would be a really interesting experiment!

So yes, it's not necessarily about attacking the messenger ( though occasionally a dubious messenger can hide behind a phony msg - we've all seen that). Many times it's just imperfect information being made more imperfect as it's passed from person to person. And I think that's an important distinction to make. Countless threads have popped up here calling so n so a "liar" or "disinformer", when in reality their intentions were good; it was simply that their information was misguided.

This doesn't excuse those intellectually lazy types who refuse to do the proper research before spreading info. But it is important to note.

So the $64000 question becomes: when do I share my info and when do I hold off? It's such a fine line. Share too soon and you risk being inaccurate/ irresponsible; share too late and perhaps a large number of people suffer needlessly. Being involved in the alt community, especially as a whistleblower, is an exercise in catch-22 madness.

I'm as sick of all this bullsh#t as you are man. Can't stand it. This field of alternative research is often emotional and intellectual quicksand. Staying with the metaphor, I can only suggest moving incredibly slowly and deliberately, and analyzing each n every morsel of info before making any deliberate moves.

[Curt]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
. Being involved in the alt community, especially as a whistleblower, is an exercise in catch-22 madness......

I'm as sick of all this bullsh#t as you are man. Can't stand it. This field of alternative research is often emotional and intellectual quicksand. Staying with the metaphor, I can only suggest moving incredibly slowly and deliberately, and analyzing each n every morsel of info before making any deliberate moves.

I think you're right. And I don't envy whistleblowers in the slightest. They're in deadly serious territory, for just the reasons you've said.

Even apart from having to muster the courage to go public with good info, they have many other things to consider, not least of which is their own personal safety.

I just wish some would be willing to admit they were totally wrong. It happens quite a bit, after all. And it seems mighty rare for an environment where 99% of intel/forecasts end up being totally off.

It would be refreshing for them to say, after they made a huge ridiculous statement that turned out to be false, 'you know what, that thing I said. Yeah. Turns out that was bull****. XYZ gave me that info and I didn't look at it and I got duped.'

Or better yet, 'yeah, my analysis was totally wrong. I didn't factor in ABC, and I was way off. Here's what I'll do differently next time.'

A lot would be forgiven if that happened.

Actually, credit where credit is due, Karen Hudes did recently back off some bad information she got re: rogue comets.

That's a trend I hope will continue.

[donk]

I think more dangerous than "killing the messenger" is "accepting the messenger", whether you are naturally trusting and take everyone at face value, or they "resonate with you" or "seem genuine", or you take their word based on the "integrity" of someone in the community you trust.

I used to go by the old "resonates" thing, there were people who would say they totally feel (or even know) _____ is legit, and I wouldn't bother to vet. Not making that mistake anymore....I don't even completely trust myself (my own perceptions), let alone anyone else.

So I repeat: stay mindful my friends

[Curt]

I think it's the same essential problem. Accepting or rejecting information based on the personality takes power away from the information and makes it more about the person. It's a pretty problematic approach.

Having said that, I understand the desire to occasionally say things like:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_TvHvqhDwYg

Posted by donk (here)
I think more dangerous than "killing the messenger" is "accepting the messenger", whether you are naturally trusting and take everyone at face value, or they "resonate with you" or "seem genuine", or you take their word based on the "integrity" of someone in the community you trust.

I used to go by the old "resonates" thing, there were people who would say they totally feel (or even know) _____ is legit, and I wouldn't bother to vet. Not making that mistake anymore....I don't even completely trust myself (my own perceptions), let alone anyone else.

So I repeat: stay mindful my friends

[norman]

I sometimes think there is a cult like conspiracy behind what's going on that actually benefits from the "Project What's Going On" tagging along behind it.

Without it, there wouldn't be a high-noise environment to hide behind.

[RMorgan]

Hey Curt,

I'm with you, mate.

However, in fact, the forum is in a much better shape than it used to be a few years ago. It doesn't mean it's in a good shape either..It's just better than it used to be in terms of the discussion and publication of obvious delusional or fake news.

People are finally realizing that they simply cannot trust all those story-tellers that plague the Alternative Media.

I'm not sure if you noticed, but the forum is very slow currently. People are not posting as frequently as they used to and obvious disinformation topics are not gaining traction anymore.

If you ask me, the forum is slow because once people learn to discern the bullshilt, there's really not much else to talk about in the Alternative Media universe.

Really, people are saying enough is enough. They are not buying it anymore. They're finally seeing the Alternative Media for what it is, or what it has become: Controlled Opposition.

Honestly, I don't know if the Alternative Media started as controlled opposition or if it was gradually corrupted along the years, but I know it's almost completely corrupted now.

I don't know if the main Alternative Media characters are mentors or just being used as pawns in this game either, but I know that, deliberately or not, the way they've been careless delivering fake news and the lack of proper verification of their "sources" is rapidly demolishing whatever's left of the its genuine and legitimate values, if they aren't all gone already.

Many people have been complaining to me via private messages, along the last months, that the forum is currently boring...It's not good to be boring, but it's much better to be boring but truthful than super-exciting and full of shilt.

The thing is, the truth was never supposed to be a constant source of entertainment and excitement, as the Alternative Media is pushing it to be.

Being a truth seeker is much closer to be a wearing, tiring and even tedious process. There's not really a new ground-breaking interview to be published every week...There aren't enough legitimate whistle-blowers to be interviewed every month...There isn't new key top-secret information to be discussed every day.

It's a good sign that you're tired of it all, brother. Once you learn to see things for what they are and realize that you actually have little to none clues about what's really going on in the world, it's natural to get tired...

The fact is that, ultimately, most of us don't have a clue. I have some suspicions, of course, but if you ask about my conclusions, after all these years as a truth-seeker, I admit I have nothing concrete to tell you...Yes...It's tiring.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Cristian]

Oh my...thanks Raf

[Cristian]

In other news ... Cabal is in surrender negotiations; told to hand over $700 trillion or $10,000 for each human Sure ...yeah ...I dont think so...


CONFIRMED: US Military Alliance Defeating Federal Reserve ... hmmmmm...no. It sickens me ...all this constant delusion

[Cristian]

I'm waiting for the day ...that magic day when David Wilcock , Benjamin Fulford , Ashayana Deane , George Kavassilas and many others stop writing ****...PLEASE GUYS STOP WRITING **** ! Thanks

[TargeT]

Posted by Cristian (here)
In other news ... Cabal is in surrender negotiations; told to hand over $700 trillion or $10,000 for each human Sure ...yeah ...I dont think so...


CONFIRMED: US Military Alliance Defeating Federal Reserve ... hmmmmm...no. It sickens me ...all this constant delusion

So, how do we deal with these things?

Personally I outright ignore anything from fullford or willcock; do we need to do more?

do we need to try and "help" people see... or perhaps this is just a filtration system, one that needs to be inplace.

Those that are unwilling or unable to pass the various filtration stages/pitfalls (TV, Politics, Religion etc..) probably shouldn't be anywhere but where they are....

This discussion reminds me of the following video:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dy43UEaIWXE

I think this video closely describes WHAT we are talking about, but not necessarily why, how or who.

[Crystine]

Let me start with. apologies. i am not trying to hijack your post. i just thought this was a good place to leave my thought.
LOL
Humph, what's new with you guys today?

I have a pet peeve.

People who park in front of my house all the time. But on the occasion that I have parked in front of their house, they have the nerve to call and ask that I move my car. My take is---------nice people get pushed around. Really nice people get pushed around more. And fed the BS. The "offenders" have reasons for their behavior. Your reasons for yours when confronting them will not ever good enough. In some perverted way you become the boat rocker. The trouble maker. The poop stirrer. When you figure out the solution let me know. I was going to start a pet peeve thread, but I printed my peeve here. You have a gigantic, important PEEVE. Mine is tiny. But the similarity is when you look at it. You are sane. It makes no sense. The observed behavior is frustrating. But your focusing on what you believe is a problem. Becomes the issue. Go figure.

[Curt]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey Curt,

I'm with you, mate.

However, in fact, the forum is in a much better shape than it used to be a few years ago. Raf.

I 100% agree with you. There's no doubt in my mind things have improved substantially. People are more savvy now, and that's affected the quality. That's a big point.

[blufire]

I am 200% with you CurtisW.

The frustration level you are expressing I hit more than a year ago.

I voiced much of this frustration on the OP on this thread of mine: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...rs-of-Darkness which was closed.

Raf I also agree much with your post.

The forum is in better shape than it was a couple years ago as far as the BS factor and hype . . . . I just hope than someday the forum can make it over the preverbal hump and on to productivity.

For me personally I have formed ‘templates’ to fit what I feel at this time is happening foundationally on a global scale. I use the templates to gage any information or events that I see that are of interest. These templates have enabled me to sift through the hype and BS and have (for the most part) enabled me to stay more balanced, neutral and clearheaded.

I don’t so much anymore listen to what people are saying . . . . I look at what I see is actually taking place. . . . out in the real world and not the alternative world.

[RMorgan]

Posted by blufire (here)

The forum is in better shape than it was a couple years ago as far as the BS factor and hype . . . . I just hope than someday the forum can make it over the preverbal hump and on to productivity.

That's a crucial part, blufire. Thanks for bringing this up.

The forum is now in a gray area. People are not buying all the bullshilt and hype as they used to, which is a good and necessary first step, but generally, we don't know where to go from here.

As I said on my previous post, if you remove all the lies, there isn't much else to talk about...It's like we went from step -2 to step 0...We have evolved, but we haven't gone anywhere significant.

It's like an illusionist show. We have already noticed that the illusionist distracts us, making us look to a different direction from where he's performing the trick. However, despite being able to observe the mechanics of the distraction and even the results of the trick itself, we still don't know where and how the trick is really performed.

When I think about it, I realize how efficient the conditioning of our minds really has been. I'm stuck as well...From this point, I feel like trying to break a brick wall with my head. This, obviously, is nothing but the results of their long lasting confusion campaign.

So, if you ask me how could we deliver concrete and productive results based on all the information gathered from our own lives, personal studies and from what's shared in this forum, I also admit I have no idea.

To be honest, since the begining of my truth-seeking process, I didn't manage to find any significant answer...The questions become exponentially more complicated, though....But no answers, so far.

Raf.

[Camilo]

I hear you bud. Welcome to the club.