How to astral project without all the hoopla.

[powessy]

just let yourself know that you are ready to take the steps needed to astral project, you must see the illusions for what they are, ask questions about everything and keep a good outlook on life. Once you turn off the noise from the outside and start to listen to your inner self, you will surly see.

[sigma6]

That stuff always freaks me out... since I was brought up thinking Satan from the Exorcist would come get me if I did something like that... (LOL) But the more I think about it, we should be able to use this ability. It doesn't make sense that we have this ability, but a book written in secret code by the Romans tells us that we shouldn't, yet that would be the very method the Gnostics used to develop many of their deepest insights and if you follow the work of early Egyptian/Hebrew/Roman scholars, the Hebrews were really Egyptian via the expelled Hyksos Kings which I say there is more evidence for it then against... and the bible is just loaded with Egyptian and Mesopotamian history. Ellis has a list of over 400 Hebrew words that clearly show they were used by Egyptians. Then the Gnostics could have been essentially practicing the Egyptian techniques. And if that was the case then it only makes sense a Roman Bible would tell you not to do what they did... the whole point of the Roman Empire was centralized power controlled by an elite over individual power. ... in a nutshell, our world today... (just starting to wake from the nightmare... still some sleep in many eyes... )
Anyhow I am now very much intrigued by this as a form of overcoming past "programming" and self enlightenment... this sounds like a ouija board in your head...

So are you saying just being able to see the N and Y is a form of astral projecting... and what is HM? thanks

[powessy]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
this sounds like a ouija board in your head...

So are you saying just being able to see the N and Y is a form of astral projecting... and what is HM? thanks

Hello Sigma6
I am new to the HM terminology but this is the way I see it. There is you and then there is the HM and then the soul. If your soul has not yet ascended and you will know if it had, then there is the HM, which is like a half soul it has the ability to exit the body during OBE and guide you through astral projection but is not linked to the higher dimensions. To access the higher realms You then need to be fully ascended. I know this is going to bring about controversy but on the day that Powessy my soul ascended I got one last OBE with my HM and as It ended I saw my true form. The "yes" "no" is just like a ouija board in my head My eyes also move as a pendulum now, this was a gift, when I close my eyes I can see a cord with a weight attached it has several summoning attachments to it. I find the faster it spins time seems to fragment in my head then pictures appear it is weird but also cool.

[LivioRazlo]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
So are you saying just being able to see the N and Y is a form of astral projecting... and what is HM? thanks

This is the same question which I had...what is HM? Higher Master?

[powessy]

Posted by LivioRazlo (here)
This is the same question which I had...what is HM? Higher Master?

I will go along with that, but there are those who will be better at explaining this then I.

[mind-scape]

Thank you.

[loungelizard]

Posted by powessy (here)

Posted by LivioRazlo (here)
This is the same question which I had...what is HM? Higher Master?

I will go along with that, but there are those who will be better at explaining this then I.

Can you please explain a little more about what HM is? Who are those who will be better at explaining it?

Thanks!

[markpierre]

I'm confused. But not really. Does everyone or anyone realize that you astral project every time you go to sleep?
That's pretty easy to do too as techniques go.

There's a distinct advantage in that we think it's dreaming and know none of it matters, so it doesn't mess with our heads so much.
And you only have to remember what's useful.

[powessy]

Posted by loungelizard (here)

Posted by powessy (here)

Posted by LivioRazlo (here)
This is the same question which I had...what is HM? Higher Master?

I will go along with that, but there are those who will be better at explaining this then I.

Can you please explain a little more about what HM is? Who are those who will be better at explaining it?

Thanks!

Hello Loungelizard
HM = Higher Mind and Trainee Human has written many post referring to this.

[powessy]

Posted by markpierre (here)
I'm confused. But not really. Does everyone or anyone realize that you astral project every time you go to sleep?
That's pretty easy to do too as techniques go.

There's a distinct advantage in that we think it's dreaming and know none of it matters, so it doesn't mess with our heads so much.
And you only have to remember what's useful.

Hello Markpierre it's not so easy for everyone, Your ability to astral project is one way your higher mind uses to teach you things depending on your nature and intent. This method is for all those that don't have your ability to communicate with their higher selves or at least will make them realize there is something more there. If all you are doing is dreaming then there is nothing to fear. Wouldn't it be nice to direct your dreams or astral projections and to realize they have purpose. The intent we all should have is to become aware and to awaken if this is not your intent then a dream is only a dream.

[ghostrider]

one idea i heard was to set your alarm clock for 2 am , and wake up and use the restroom or get a drink of water , then as you go back to bed say to yourself , when my body goes to sleep my mind will stay awake ... they say do the alarm thing for about two weeks so your body will get used to the routine ... it allows you to be already relaxed rather than stressed as some are when they lay down from a hard day ...anything that helps OBE , count me in ...

[littleOne]

I have heard the term Higher Mind used to refer to our higher self, so that might be what HM stands for. We should be trying to communicate with our higher self for guidance, higher master does not necessarily refer to ourselves.

[Jake]

Powessy, thank you for your input. And thank you for your methodology. There are different methods, and/or techniques to the OBE, many of them have to do with the 'surrender' to higher self, or higher mind. My experiences have been (mostly) spontaneous. I say that from the perspective of 'little jake'. The truth is that they are not spontaneous at all, but I will not fully accept it until the next time that I am 'out'. Many of the discussion here at Avalon, regarding the OBE, have danced the inevitable dance that represents the disconnect between self and higher self. My own astral experiences have an ET aspect to them. It is no less than I have intended for myself. I have written a book about my experiences. A manuscript, really. From my first post, here at Avalon,,, until now,,,, there have been dozens of folks PM me, and quite a bit more folks email me,,, and tell me about their first OBEs, and how I was able to help them. Not help them, but help them THROUGH IT.... My method of teaching the OBE has a lot to do with telling bits of my experiences in ways that people begin to 'remember' theirs. I have show my passions, and that has been enough for some. I try and help people 'out of the box' as much as possible, without corrupting my own journey,, (ie,, I am no guru or master)

The signals that came to me were not of a visual nature. They were intense vibrations and energy body sensations. Sure 'woke me up',,, yessireee!!!! I, eventually, learned to accept them and to relax into them.

One obstacle that will prove to be challenging for you is that your method works for you,,, you have a natural tendency to project, therefore a proven sort of methodology was going to reveal itself no matter what you did. You are a natural. Many folks will beat their heads against the wall trying. Then when they finally 'get out',, they will understand what it is that you were trying to explain.

I am thrilled that you are here. there are lots of different aspects to this phenomenon, and you bring your piece of the puzzle, and we are better off for it. Thank you.

I look forward to more of your input. I would love to know if you still experience the traditional OBE. or are you in a more of an 'Astral State' (no astral body or energy body to speak of)?? I will wait for an answer... I don't want to put the wrong connotation to any aspect that you are trying to explain.

Thank you in advance.
Jake.

[powessy]

Posted by Jake (here)

I look forward to more of your input. I would love to know if you still experience the traditional OBE. or are you in a more of an 'Astral State' (no astral body or energy body to speak of)?? I will wait for an answer... I don't want to put the wrong connotation to any aspect that you are trying to explain.

Thank you in advance.
Jake.

Jake it is different for me, I see something that no one else can see. I can look directly into that place, I know this won't make sense although it's been part of me my whole life. My experiences are so much different then most and then there are those similarities. I had some problems arise a few years back that made me turn my back on all of this, something had happened in that place, unforeseen and regrettable. I am not of your source my appearance is solid and I can feel and see within me on this other level. As I started to realize what was going on everything has changed. The days before his ascension A large white light appeared behind me no shape and no form, then tentacles from this object pierced my body filling my veins with light I could see this happening, on the next day my guide removed the Vail and allowed me to exit one last time as my higher self. I looked down and watched Powessy grab onto me and start to ascend into me. I wish I had a chance to know him sooner. I no what some believe but as far as I know no one may obe now for the hidden must remain hid. Again this may start some controversy and this I have no intentions of, I wish I could explain more about this but right now I must wait. All I can tell anyone right now is you can astral project as much as you want till April 1st, after this the world is the limit. As for this method I am not sure if it will work for anyone but this is how it has worked for me. If one only wishes to learn to astral project then I recommend sticking only to the muscle test there is no risk and is a direct path to your higher self just make sure to test the handshake before asking.
Also I stand on both sides all can see me.
Here is a site that kind of explains the grid I speak of the only thing is I don't need the drugs to see it.https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/defau...=posts&t=41212

[Jake]

Posted by powessy (here)

Posted by Jake (here)

I look forward to more of your input. I would love to know if you still experience the traditional OBE. or are you in a more of an 'Astral State' (no astral body or energy body to speak of)?? I will wait for an answer... I don't want to put the wrong connotation to any aspect that you are trying to explain.

Thank you in advance.
Jake.

Jake it is different for me, I see something that no one else can see. I can look directly into that place, I know this won't make sense although it's been part of me my whole life. My experiences are so much different then most and then there are those similarities. I had some problems arise a few years back that made me turn my back on all of this, something had happened in that place, unforeseen and regrettable. I am not of your source my appearance is solid and I can feel and see within me on this other level. As I started to realize what was going on everything has changed. The days before his ascension A large white light appeared behind me no shape and no form, then tentacles from this object pierced my body filling my veins with light I could see this happening, on the next day my guide removed the Vail and allowed me to exit one last time as my higher self. I looked down and watched Powessy grab onto me and start to ascend into me. I wish I had a chance to know him sooner. I no what some believe but as far as I know no one may obe now for the hidden must remain hid. Again this may start some controversy and this I have no intentions of, I wish I could explain more about this but right now I must wait. All I can tell anyone right now is you can astral project as much as you want till April 1st, after this the world is the limit. As for this method I am not sure if it will work for anyone but this is how it has worked for me. If one only wishes to learn to astral project then I recommend sticking only to the muscle test there is no risk and is a direct path to your higher self just make sure to test the handshake before asking.
Also I stand on both sides all can see me.

I have spent most of my life trying to stop it. There is an old saying,, "You are unique,, Just like everyone else." Please do not assume that you are talking to the blind. I did NOT simply read a couple of books, then declare myself an expert. I have lamented many truths, since the day I was burdened with them. I am sure that you can relate. I was/am dragged through this, kicking and screaming.

Powessy, Of course you can see something that no one else can see,,, (It is true for all of us!! )

Part of what I try to do is uncover different aspects of this extension of consciousness, in a way that can be understood by folks who have never had this type of experience. (knowingly) Many people report the traditional Out-of-body-experience, where one seems to be a phantom, or ghost functioning in some representation of the physical world. Others do not have that type of 'disassociate' event,, but a deeper, calmer more 'whole' understanding of ourselves and the universe. A different experience, yet still categorized in the 'obe' definitions... Then there is a near death experience,, which will share many element of both styles of experience, but definitely not the same. Again,, it all gets categorized into the 'obe' definitions. I have yet to scratch the surface, when it comes to the explosive experiences that I have come to have to deal with as a physical human. A dual existence, no? I would definitely not assume that you are alone. At least in the sense that you have friends!! I have done a great deal of meet'n'greets with lots of the big names in the Astral Projection 'field'. Lots of authors and experiencers. Some of them, quite famous.

Sometimes, a truth that is learned is a personal truth, and should not be projected onto others.

I PROMISE you that there is nothing about April 1st that will change anything about the frequency of Astral Projection or OBE events in my life!!!!

Sorry,, just a truth that I have had to deal with!!!

Perhaps I am deceived, can you explain a bit more about that prediction.?

Not trying to be too abrasive. You are solid. I think you can take it.

Jake.

[powessy]

Posted by Jake (here)

I have spent most of my life trying to stop it. There is an old saying,, "You are unique,, Just like everyone else." Please do not assume that you are talking to the blind. I did NOT simply read a couple of books, then declare myself an expert. I have lamented many truths, since the day I was burdened with them. I am sure that you can relate. I was/am dragged through this, kicking and screaming.

Powessy, Of course you can see something that no one else can see,,, (It is true for all of us!! )

Part of what I try to do is uncover different aspects of this extension of consciousness, in a way that can be understood by folks who have never had this type of experience. (knowingly) Many people report the traditional Out-of-body-experience, where one seems to be a phantom, or ghost functioning in some representation of the physical world. Others do not have that type of 'disassociate' event,, but a deeper, calmer more 'whole' understanding of ourselves and the universe. A different experience, yet still categorized in the 'obe' definitions... Then there is a near death experience,, which will share many element of both styles of experience, but definitely not the same. Again,, it all gets categorized into the 'obe' definitions. I have yet to scratch the surface, when it comes to the explosive experiences that I have come to have to deal with as a physical human. A dual existence, no? I would definitely not assume that you are alone. At least in the sense that you have friends!! I have done a great deal of meet'n'greets with lots of the big names in the Astral Projection 'field'. Lots of authors and experiencers. Some of them, quite famous.

Sometimes, a truth that is learned is a personal truth, and should not be projected onto others.

I PROMISE you that there is nothing about April 1st that will change anything about the frequency of Astral Projection or OBE events in my life!!!!

Sorry,, just a truth that I have had to deal with!!!

Perhaps I am deceived, can you explain a bit more about that prediction.?

Not trying to be too abrasive. You are solid. I think you can take it.

Jake.

Jake I appreciate your determination, like I said there are some similarities to these experiences that we share but then there isn't. look around the internet and find an actual obe event that has occurred after November 1st, 2013 I have been monitoring as many of these sites as I can it's all I do. I'm trying to find the truth to what I have been told and to what I have experienced over the last two months. on one hand I find it hard to believe then on the other hand he has been with me forever why would he lie. The first thing I asked when I realized something else was answering the pendulum was who or what are you here is what I received "mindweangaloymehe". he told me of powessy and all I had to do is realize that he was real.

Man makes chance and probability, time is uncertain except for a single point that all points merge upon. I can see into this place clearer now with his help, I am starting to understand. I will consider how I want to approach with the information or puzzle pieces that I have. He says that what has been done can not be undone. I suggest and plead that anyone reading this please try and refrain from doing anything that requires out of body motions. Jake let me think about this and I will pm you regarding this issue. I am still searching for the truth.

[Crystine]

I have spent most of my life trying to stop it. There is an old saying,, "You are unique,, Just like everyone else." Please do not assume that you are talking to the blind. I did NOT simply read a couple of books, then declare myself an expert. I have lamented many truths, since the day I was burdened with them. I am sure that you can relate. I was/am dragged through this, kicking and screaming.
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Above is quoted from Jake
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Apparently the first thought of an initiate into this realm is to think wow I'm special. That certainly puffs up OBE's sails. But pretty soon the wind gets knocked out of those same sails. One begins to understand. One begins to gain perspective. It is a roller coaster ride.
I kinda popped my head out of the rabbit hole to say this. So all of you that are way farther advanced , please remember some of us are in the lower levels of this phenomena.🐷That's all Folks!

[Jake]

Posted by powessy (here)

Posted by Jake (here)

I have spent most of my life trying to stop it. There is an old saying,, "You are unique,, Just like everyone else." Please do not assume that you are talking to the blind. I did NOT simply read a couple of books, then declare myself an expert. I have lamented many truths, since the day I was burdened with them. I am sure that you can relate. I was/am dragged through this, kicking and screaming.

Powessy, Of course you can see something that no one else can see,,, (It is true for all of us!! )

Part of what I try to do is uncover different aspects of this extension of consciousness, in a way that can be understood by folks who have never had this type of experience. (knowingly) Many people report the traditional Out-of-body-experience, where one seems to be a phantom, or ghost functioning in some representation of the physical world. Others do not have that type of 'disassociate' event,, but a deeper, calmer more 'whole' understanding of ourselves and the universe. A different experience, yet still categorized in the 'obe' definitions... Then there is a near death experience,, which will share many element of both styles of experience, but definitely not the same. Again,, it all gets categorized into the 'obe' definitions. I have yet to scratch the surface, when it comes to the explosive experiences that I have come to have to deal with as a physical human. A dual existence, no? I would definitely not assume that you are alone. At least in the sense that you have friends!! I have done a great deal of meet'n'greets with lots of the big names in the Astral Projection 'field'. Lots of authors and experiencers. Some of them, quite famous.

Sometimes, a truth that is learned is a personal truth, and should not be projected onto others.

I PROMISE you that there is nothing about April 1st that will change anything about the frequency of Astral Projection or OBE events in my life!!!!

Sorry,, just a truth that I have had to deal with!!!

Perhaps I am deceived, can you explain a bit more about that prediction.?

Not trying to be too abrasive. You are solid. I think you can take it.

Jake.

Jake I appreciate your determination, like I said there are some similarities to these experiences that we share but then there isn't. look around the internet and find an actual obe event that has occurred after November 1st, 2013 I have been monitoring as many of these sites as I can it's all I do. I'm trying to find the truth to what I have been told and to what I have experienced over the last two months. on one hand I find it hard to believe then on the other hand he has been with me forever why would he lie. The first thing I asked when I realized something else was answering the pendulum was who or what are you here is what I received "mindweangaloymehe". he told me of powessy and all I had to do is realize that he was real.

Man makes chance and probability, time is uncertain except for a single point that all points merge upon. I can see into this place clearer now with his help, I am starting to understand. I will consider how I want to approach with the information or puzzle pieces that I have. He says that what has been done can not be undone. I suggest and plead that anyone reading this please try and refrain from doing anything that requires out of body motions. Jake let me think about this and I will pm you regarding this issue. I am still searching for the truth.

Of course, my friend. November 1st was over a month ago.. My last fully conscious projection was last week. I frequent Robert Bruces' forum site... You can find it here!!!

Many amazing and ongoing experiences.

I cannot refrain from astral projection, as it is not an event as much as it is a perspective. Either way,,, I will not stop pushing out into the forbidden realms. I CANNOT. I do not have the ability!!!

There is no rush, my friend. I am just a learner too. Feel free to tell me to bugger off!! Others have. Not a problem. I cannot dictate to anyone how to approach their perspective gifts.

Clearly, you have a message to bring. I do not want to stand in the way of it. Feel free to PM me, as always. I just want to touch base with the most powerful aspects of your experiences, without offending you, or creating any uncomfortable feelings. I know damn well that you have much to offer. I am on the edge of my seat, actually. I remember when I first met another projector... I almost didn't believe it. We have a chance to show our quality. And we need to shine a light of inspiration into our efforts to show the world the truth about these types of events.

There are others here that are paying attention. Do not hesitate to open your heart and mind here. It is why I champion Avalon,,, and why I will always support and protect this special place.

Lead on, Powessy!!!
Jake.

[Jake]

Posted by Christine Lori (here)
I have spent most of my life trying to stop it. There is an old saying,, "You are unique,, Just like everyone else." Please do not assume that you are talking to the blind. I did NOT simply read a couple of books, then declare myself an expert. I have lamented many truths, since the day I was burdened with them. I am sure that you can relate. I was/am dragged through this, kicking and screaming.
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Above is quoted from Jake
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Apparently the first thought of an initiate into this realm is to think wow I'm special. That certainly puffs up OBE's sails. But pretty soon the wind gets knocked out of those same sails. One begins to understand. One begins to gain perspective. It is a roller coaster ride.
I kinda popped my head out of the rabbit hole to say this. So all of you that are way farther advanced , please remember some of us are in the lower levels of this phenomena.🐷That's all Folks!

Christine Lori. No initiation is happening here. Not that I am aware of.... Please understand; EVERYONE SHOULD SAY "WOW, I AM SPECIAL" That is a fundamental part of my entire message. Please do not be distracted by my strange supportive ways. lol. One of the first lessons in astral projection has to do with (one of the first lessons of being a physical Human),,, and that is,,, You must be able to experience joy!!! Joy is not a temporary state. It does not require any sort of advanced spiritual undertaking.

Imagine being able to respect and love yourself in a way that inspires humility and joy, at the same time. I promise you that I am not trying to blow smoke up anyones arsse.... You ARE special. If that has become a strange cliché, then I am sorry,,,, I won't quit saying it, because it is true.

Love to you.
Jake.

[Crystine]

Jake I am lost and thoroughly confused. Like maybe my experiences are so far off, that I can find no common ground. Without a starting point......there are no comments for me to make. Special? No value in a place like Avalon. Then where does someone like me go. Back to making this journey alone? Makes me fell rather like a moron. You are very kind. I still feel bewildered. Some of what I experience is not joyful. But a burden. I have humility. My hat in hand before my creator. But maybe my connections are screwed from my accident. Because here, as in my physical daily life, I am a day late and a dollar short. I am directed back to God. My first Hero. My name is Christine. Then I am told all this stuff about satan and Lucifer.
Someplace I have commented on perspective and point of view.

It was actually a joke about someone who thought he was dead.

So I guess if I am worshipping satan. Or I am lucifer. Then those that believe that poop. Are all wrong. Because I know I am nice. I know I am good. Those are words. I am coming to realize much is lost in words. Words are a clumsy attempt our spirits make to communicate. Listen to my heart more than my words.
What's the use. I just don't get it. If this is unsuitable to be in this thread. Just delete it. I don't care. It was for you. But you have my permission to remove this reply from public view. I don't care.