The "Hitler" Speech They (Don't) Want You To Hear..!

[Vitalux]

Posted by loungelizard (here)
Hello Vitalux

You seem very sure of your facts here. I'd be interested to hear how you decide to believe some sources of information and dismiss others as propaganda and lies. What rational thought is behind that process?

Please could you provide sources for each of your examples so that we can research their information: I would appreciate knowing which authors you are referencing, and then we can continue our discussion. Thank you.

My dear Avalonian friend, loungelizard

I'm 52 years old, and when I first started to question the foundations of my beliefs started about 16 years ago.
In many ways, I am even more confused about what is "truth" before I started this journey. Ignorance carries with it a state of bliss

Therefore, when it comes right down to me knowing anything for sure, I must admit, I am just a fool spinning on this rock in space.

For my own compass, I try and navigate through this wilderness by separating the truths from the non truths.
Just as much in my conviction that I might feel right, understand I could be terribly wrong.

Many books, documentary's, personal conversations with folks that lived during the war, has given me my perspective.
Had I been in your shoes, I would not hesitate to conclude I would feel conviction in your views.

One interesting documentary I once watched that helped create a more open mind was the following

1/3rd of the holocaust.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7dxsVSzL4HE

However, I am just sharing with you that all kind of information is out there regarding the holocaust. Perhaps it just boils down to which realities our spirit guides wish us to know.

Maybe there is no such thing as truth in an illusion

[aikisaw]

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)

Quote Posted by aikisaw (here)
You will also understand why it is illegal to speak about it in 20 Country's .
It's illegal to speak about the Holocaust? Where?

Quote Posted by aikisaw (here)
I can assure you if you look into it ...
This is the pertinent part of that sentence. I agree that there are those who are programmed, and seek to erase well-documented historical evidence, replacing this with their own opinions...

Nanoo Nanoo said
Quote You do realise Stalin was responsible for close to 20 million deaths during the second world war...
Yes, I think people do realise that. But this thread is entitled "The Hitler Speech..."

Yes , and if you do your research you will find that Stalin and the English started concentration camps many years before Hitler.. you will also find that Hitler spoke of Stalin and Bolshovic irradication as one of his main goals. So Stalin would be poignant to include in this discussion my dear Lounge Lizzard.

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If you read Hitlers writings he had no love for communism and all that it brought to mankind. That is why he let the British army go at Dunkirk. He thought the British would join him to fight the communists.

[Cidersomerset]

On top of all the other indignities and horrors inflicted by the NAZI's on
these poor souls were the medical experiments in many of the camps. At
Auswitz 'Mengale the murderer' held court.


Auschwitz - Medical experiments...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7SAiaEuiDXU

This is an interesting as it also shows the NAZI links in Paraguay
with the ex pat German community willing to hide NAZI criminals.


Nazi War Criminals: Dr Josef Mengele (Documentary)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lOzJaPF4h7U

Published on 29 Nov 2013


Josef Mengele (16 March 1911 -- 7 February 1979) was a German SS officer and a
physician in the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz. He qualified for scientific
doctorates in Anthropology from Munich University and in Medicine from Frankfurt
University. He became one of the more notorious characters to emerge from the III
Reich in World War II as an SS medical officer who supervised the selection of
victims of the Holocaust, determining who was to be killed and who was to
temporarily become a forced laborer, and for performing bizarre and murderous
human experiments on prisoners.

Surviving the war, after a period of living incognito in Germany he fled to South
America, where he evaded capture for the rest of his life, despite being hunted as a
Nazi war criminal.

[Milneman]

Posted by loungelizard (here)

Posted by Andrew (here)

where abouts did you catch Hitler inciting racial and national hatred?

Hello Andrew

Is that a genuine question? If so, I'd be happy to do some work gathering evidence for you to read. The only problem would be having the time to sift through it all - there is such a lot out there.

Tell you what Lizard, I'll handle the stuff in Mein Kampf and Rise and Fall if you wanna dig into youtube and any other sources you may have. Why do I feel like this is about to be ridiculously uphill battle?

[Cidersomerset]

However, I am just sharing with you that all kind of information is out there regarding the holocaust. Perhaps it just boils down to which realities our spirit guides wish us to know.

Maybe there is no such thing as truth in an illusion

I am still inclined to go with the gassing final solution programme, from the many
books and documentaries I have seen since a teenager as WW11 has always interested me.
The fact that millions were murdered. I'm not sure what is gained by saying the prisoners
were gassed as opposed to shot, beaten, hung, starved, neglected or experimented on.

So I don't know why the gas accusations would have been invented, as all
the other methods of death are just as horrific if not worse.

It makes sense from a NAZI point of view to industrialise and speed up the
process before they lost the war in the east. If they had lost the war but
cleared central Europe of Jews it was still a victory to hard core NAZI's.
It was easier to dispose of cremated corpses and the risk of contamination
of the water supply or disease was far lower, then the mass pits that they
had been using.

The opposite argument seems the Israeli's have inflated the figures to
gain sway, but in 1945 there was no Israel.

[Milneman]

Posted by Andrew (here)

Posted by loungelizard (here)

Posted by Andrew (here)

where abouts did you catch Hitler inciting racial and national hatred?

Hello Andrew

Is that a genuine question? If so, I'd be happy to do some work gathering evidence for you to read. The only problem would be having the time to sift through it all - there is such a lot out there.

Then it will be easy for you to show me if there's so much out there...

Let's begin.

From Mein Kampf:

pp 178: The most unbeautiful thing there can be in human life is and remains the yoke of slavery. Or do these ... decadents view the present lot of the German people as 'aesthetic'? Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image.

pp 253: In pre-War Germany there was a period in which no one concerned himself in the least about this truth. (Incidentally, Hitler here is writing about truth, even though he himself broke almost every non-intervention treaty he signed) They simply went on sinning against the body and thought that in the one-sided training of the 'mind', they possessed a sure guaranty for the greatness of the nation. A mistake whose consequences began to be felt sooner than was expected. It is no accident that the Bolshevistic wave never found better soil than in places inhabited by a population degenerated by hunger and constant under-nourishment: in Central Germany, Saxyony, and the Ruhr. But in all these districts the so-called intelligentsia no longer offers any serious resistance to this Jewish disease, for the simple reason that this intelligentsia is itself completely degenerated physically, though less for reasons of poverty than for reasons of education. (He's referring here to deal with prostitution in the reich...yeah...like hookers.)

pp 232: The foremost connoisseurs of this truth regarding the possibilities in the use of falsehood and slander have always been the Jews; for after all, their whole existence is based on one single great lie, to wit, that they are a religious community while actually they are a race--and what a race! One of the greatest minds of humanity has nailed them forever as such in an eternally correct phrase of fundamental truth: he called them "the great masters of the lie". And anyone who does not recognize this or does not want to believe it will never in t his world be able to help the truth to victory.

pp 150: Peoples who can sneak their way into the rest of mankind like drones, to make other men work for them under all sorts of pretexts, can form states even without any definitely delimited living space of their own. This applies first and foremost to a people under whose parasitism the whole of honest humanity is suffering, today more than ever: the Jews. The Jewish state was never spatially limited to itself, but universally unlimited as to space, though restricted in the sense of embracing but one race. Consequently, this people has always formed a state within states. It is one of the most ingenious tricks that was ever devised, to make this state sail under the flag of "religion", thus assuring it of the tolerance which the Aryan is always ready to accord a religious creed. For actually the Mosaic religion is nothing other than a doctrine for the preservation of the Jewish race. It therefore embraces almost all sociological, political, and economic fields of knowledge which can have any bearing on this function.

I will be delighted to give you more from herr Hitler. However, I think the conclusion of his book speaks volumes.

"On November 9, 1923, in the fourth year of its existence, the National Socialist German Worker's Party was dissolved and prohibited in the whole Reich territory. Today in November, 1926, it stand again free before us, stronger and inwardly firmer than ever before.

All the persecutions of the movement and its individual leaders, all vilifications and slanders, were powerless to harm it. The correctness of its ideas, the purity of its will, its supports' spirit of self-sacrifice, have caused it to issue from all repressions stronger then ever.

If, in the world of our present parliamentary corruption, it becomes more and more aware of the profoundest essence of its struggle, feels itself to be the purest embodiment of the value of race and personality and conducts itself accordingly, it will with almost mathematical certainty some day emerge victorious from its struggle. Just as Germany must inevitably win her rightful position on this earth if she is led and organized according to the same principles.

A state which in this age of racial poisoning dedicates itself to the care of its best racial elements must some day become lord of the earth.

May the adherents of our movement never forget this if ever the magnitude of the sacrifices should beguile them to an anxious comparison with the possible results."

-Adolf Hitler,
"Mein Kampf"
(C) 1927 by Verlag Frz. Eher Nschf. G.M.B.H., All rights reserved.

Let me know if you'd like more Andrew, if you're not sufficiently convinced.

[Crystine]

I am just wondering, how does one begin to decide, how many people to be gassed is tolerable. One person. Two. Two hundred. 201. So anything up to that is ok? It should have been none. My dad was in Germany right after the war ended. The neighboring townsfolk had to help with the disposal of the bodies. Many of them claimed that they had no idea what was going on.

[Cidersomerset]

I am just wondering, how does one begin to decide, how many people to be gassed is tolerable. One person. Two. Two hundred. 201. So anything up to that is ok? It should have been none. My dad was in Germany right after the war ended. The neighboring townsfolk had to help with the disposal of the bodies. Many of them claimed that they had no idea what was going on.

NONE ! ....I know the figures are so high it feels callous talking like this .......

[aikisaw]

Posted by Milneman (here)

Posted by aikisaw (here)

Posted by loungelizard (here)

Posted by aikisaw (here)
You will also understand why it is illegal to speak about it in 20 Country's .

It's illegal to speak about the Holocaust? Where?

Posted by aikisaw (here)
I can assure you if you look into it ...

This is the pertinent part of that sentence. I agree that there are those who are programmed, and seek to erase well-documented historical evidence, replacing this with their own opinions...

Nanoo Nanoo said

You do realise Stalin was responsible for close to 20 million deaths during the second world war...

Yes, I think people do realise that. But this thread is entitled "The Hitler Speech..."

Yes, I said it is illegal to SPEAK about the Holocaust. You can quote the dogma. You can say whatever you want as long as it does not deviate from approved speech. You cannot have a discussion, argument, dialogue, or a debate about the facts.

Can you name one other subject which cannot be REVISED? ( oohh that bad word ) There are those who disagree with the 9-11 commission report and want to REVISE it. That is ok. How many times has the bible been revised?

If you are going to quote me....then quote me. Do not use part of my text and add your nonsense after.

aikisaw said

I can assure you if you look into it , you will be shocked at how you have been lied to.

If you want to debate that point.... have at it.

aikisaw said

It is a tough subject to have a discussion about. Everyone has been programmed to believe the story you have been taught.

My above sentence on programming.

The last part of your post is addressed Nanoo. I touched on the Russian numbers in my post so I will address it.


Nanoo Nanoo said
You do realise Stalin was responsible for close to 20 million deaths during the second world war...

Loungelizard
Yes, I think people do realise that. But this thread is entitled "The Hitler Speech..."

Yes that is the thread title. As you can see this speech is about German reasons for their actions. It shows that the allies were not acting in good faith. This was before the holocaust outrage so spare me that.

It shows a larger plan/ or conspiracy. If you look at this in small parts and pieces you can never see the whole. X died in WW1 Y died in WW2 Z died in Russia. If you add them all up that is a very large number. Look at it as a whole you can see the size and scope of something vastly bigger than considered before.

There are certainly more sides to this story than have spoken of or debated.

It doesn't bother anyone that it is illegal to debate this??????

It bothers me intensely!

It also bothers me intensely that people will deny the facts before they enter into the debate!

What's the debate really about? The real reason everyone is dancing around this issue about how many people were killed. Is it that if you reduce the numbers by 3 or 4 million it's more justified, it makes National Socialist policy less toxic?

I have a question for everyone. Is this thread really about the holocaust or finding a way to save Hitler and Nazi doctrine, and make it "ok"?

Think about that.

Those are very good questions.
There is a real reason the numbers have to be 6 million. It has to with a prophecy and nothing to with Germans. You could look up how many times 6 million jews were killed before WW2. Interesting stuff.

I have a question for everyone. Is this thread really about the holocaust or finding a way to save Hitler and Nazi doctrine, and make it "ok"?

Good question. I can only speak for my self and for me it is about truth.

We are now in era where Hitler has replaced the devil as the personification of evil. If you really begin to research this you will see it in every book, magazine, television show, and news program.

The German people are rabid, blind, mind controlled zealots, brainwashed, loathsome killers. People who could not walk down the street without throwing a jew in an oven. IT IS NOT RACIST TO SAY OR THINK THESE THINGS.

Is it true? Did you look at the people in the OP ? Is that how they looked to you?

It is portrayed that the allies were on the side of angels. If you look into you will see they were not. Are you willing to look at that truth?

You are worried about making Nazi and Hitler doctrine OK. Have you read the Talmud ? Do you understand the Judeo part of Judeo / christian values?

Do you think that Hitler would have his military in Afghanistan defending opium poppy fields. That is happening today. That is the value system today.

Hitler has his faults and there are parts of his program that I do not like, but he is not Satan or worse. There are many reasons why they teach you that he is.

As for the holocaust there is enough evidence to come to any conclusion you want. One conclusion is illegal to talk about. Do you think there may be a reason?

[Agape]

Not that I want to install closure of the topic, please feel free to educate yourself if you didn't previously, in whatever way you find the most appropriate ..

but there is something truther ('') about it I want to add and share . It has traumatised me since childhood, the very idea itself I could not understand,
HOW a nation of people who were culturally the same people like us ( our good neighbours ) could been manipulated in their beliefs such a way that this was allowed to happen . I understand those who live far away and can't believe because the madness , the horrors defy every belief .
I started to ask myself these questions when I was 5 I dare to say and I knew that adults would not provide me with safe , plausible explanation as I doubt they thought of this deeply .

I've seen enough evidence through out my little life and not that I searched for it even, I simply watched . I can't watch it anymore. Guess I'm not exactly the one who should or needs to , it makes me very depressed .

It took more than 20 years of deep insights and study to subjects such as psychology, sociology , mind controls and other human sciences before I was able to get some better defined answers to what I could not see first hands .

Search for the works of Sigmund Freud for start and how crowd psychology was used by worlds agencies and regimes to manipulate masses and control nations,
through advertisements .


I earnestly wish there was never any holocaust, no fascism, no racism, no hatred , no wars, no weapons of mass destruction . No pain no suffering . I wish even the names of those things were forgotten and gone from our vocabulary . Together with MK Ultra, Guantanamo , atrocities committed in Tibet, Syria, Libya , Egypt .. please hand me the list of world countries so that someone somewhere do not feel forgotten ..

I wish it's all not true, it has never happened, not happening . No nightmares, no killing children, no abuse, no torture, no trauma, no sadness .



...


I'd have to talk more to explain my future vision for mankind that I know is shared by good few of us , yet .. there would be more here who would call me a fool and hate me for whatever .

So I think that the bright , peaceful future may take about thousand years to come at least ..and before we're willing to forget by fixing it . From within and without






P.S. It's also true that the millions of people dying in Somalia and other countries of famine, drought and diseases .. is actually only few thousands .. and they've actually preferred to starve themselves ( something like yer' anorexia ) because they realised futility of their existence .. and though we are all watching it .. we can't really help them because ..
they've chosen it, it's their 'karma' , their destiny that should not be interrupted forcibly by advanced measures and so and so forth .

There's always been suffering in this world . Too many people called it illusory before they hit the stove.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by jagman (here)
Hitler was making a pretty good case for war in that vid except years before he wrote
Mein Kampf where he laid out his strategy for taking over.So to me it was propaganda.
Could Roosevelt be partially to blame for what happened sure. but that doesnt change
the fact Hitler was a monster who baked people in ovens. He was a mad genius.
completely mad!

the gas chambers were all blackmail to keep money flowing in from his grandpa... Rothschild...

Hitler was a jew too, it was all about money and they were just pawns...

His dad was a bastard child of Rothschild & his maid, when his dad went to him for help, a job or money, he was picked up and tossed out as trash for not being Jewish enough...

Hitler watched it...



Just AskaNazi or was that Ashkenazi...


end of Jews... Nazi...

much thought went into all of it from when he was a child...

so 6 million had to die in Holocaust ovens before Jews could return to Israel?

so Rothschild created Hitler, funded his war machine all so a prophecy could be fulfilled?

Rothschild forced Wilson to approve America's take over by the Federal Reserve so it could get buried in debt going to war to protect Israel?

so if Hitler fulfilled a prophecy by killing 6 million jews, shouldn't he be a hero to the ones he didn't kill?

looks like the Villain is Rothschild who masterminded the whole plan...

[Rocky_Shorz]

An astounding admission from a Jewish American psychologist is found in an article in the current (Summer 2012) issue of Inconvenient History Journal. It's titled "On The Roads of Truth: Searching for Warwick Hester" by Klaus Schwensen.

Schwensen tells of a certain "Warwick Hester" who (in the 1950's) wrote "critically about the 6-million number and the Jewish death toll in what since became known as 'the Holocaust.'"


"Warwick Hester" mentions the increase of the Jewish world population by 3 million between 1933 and 1950, which of course is in contradiction to the 6 million murdered by the Nazis. In this connection, he tells the following story:

"Recently when talking to a North American of Jewish origin whom I esteem very much I referred to that discrepancy [of Jewish population numbers]. I asked him whether he himself believed in earnest that the Nazis had killed 6 millions. He said:´Naturally not. For that they had neither the time nor the means. What they obviously had, was the intention. Here begins politics [i.e. the psychology of propaganda]. Given the imputed intention, you can make any number. We thought that 6 millions are not too much to appear plausible, but sufficient to make mankind shiver for one century. This chance Hitler has given to us, and we make the most of it, to good effect, as you see.´ I said he ought to consider that a political lie like this will, in light of subsequent investigation, disclose itself and turn against those who invented it. But this Jew, a psychologist, denied that. It [the propaganda] had penetrated too deep into the subconscious of the masses, so that it could never be dislodged. Humans in general are completely uncritical. What is anchored in the subconscious, even an individual with common sense almost never is able to expunge. As a proof he cited the fact that already now [1954!], after a relatively short propagandistic campaign, that item required no further discussion. ´We have no problem, since we have created a historical fact which from now on is in the history books of schools, like the date of a battle.´" link

We are a truth forum, and don't let Dogmas slow us down in search of truth...

I'm going back to the writer of the Prophecy to find out where this came from...

All Hitler’s other crimes are documented in statistical details in the archives. This is supposed to have been the biggest crime of all and yet the documents just aren’t there so why do we have to speculate? Why do we have to have opinions about figures?” Irving pointed out that there was documentary evidence to support the German policy of deporting the Jews: “Oh, yes. Quite definitely. In the course of my Hitler research I came across acceptable German archival evidence which met the criteria which Hugh Trevor-Roper had taught me, being authentic documents written by people in a position to know. I came across documents showing that Hitler had given the orders for the deportation of the Jews to the east. This deportation was in full swing by the middle of 1942 and you find, for example, Heinrich Himmler writing to Gauleiters that the Führer, Adolf Hitler, has given me the order to make Europe free of the Jews, clean of the Jews from west to east, stage-by- stage, and it’s quite clearly referred to as Hitler’s order, the deportation.” (33-9351, 9352)

There were, however, no orders for the extermination of Jews: “None whatsoever. I have not found in any archives of the world, including I mentioned the Israeli archives which have been co-operating with me; I also underline the fact even in the British archives, where we were reading the signals, the code signals of the SS units operating on the eastern front, with our code- breaking machinery, not even in the British archives are there any deciphered Hitler orders for the killing of Jews…There are no explicit orders and this is where the academic historians start asking us to read between the lines and find fancy translations for certain words and I wouldn’t go along with those methods. I want in a crime as big as this to find explicit evidence.” (33-9352, 9353) link to expert story

[loungelizard]

Posted by aikisaw (here)
Yes, I said it is illegal to SPEAK about the Holocaust. You can quote the dogma. You can say whatever you want as long as it does not deviate from approved speech. You cannot have a discussion, argument, dialogue, or a debate about the facts.

Hello aikisaw

You know, I'm confused

This is my current understanding with regard to this issue - and I am quite willing for this to change if I'm provided with facts. That's what learning is all about

In Canada and Western Europe, Holocaust deniers have been successfully prosecuted under racial defamation or hate crimes laws for publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivialising crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes (you can do what you want in private).

In the United States, however, the First Amendment guarantees the right of free speech, regardless of political content. Although the First Amendment guarantees Holocaust deniers the right to produce and distribute their propaganda, it in no way obligates newspapers or other media outlets to provide them with a forum for their views.

221 countries legally allow holocaust denial - including North and South America

So I'm not sure where it says that it is illegal to speak about the holocaust. Could you clarify this for me?

[Tony]

Posted by Agape (here)
Not that I want to install closure of the topic, please feel free to educate yourself if you didn't previously, in whatever way you find the most appropriate ..

but there is something truther ('') about it I want to add and share . It has traumatised me since childhood, the very idea itself I could not understand,
HOW a nation of people who were culturally the same people like us ( our good neighbours ) could been manipulated in their beliefs such a way that this was allowed to happen . I understand those who live far away and can't believe because the madness , the horrors defy every belief .
I started to ask myself these questions when I was 5 I dare to say and I knew that adults would not provide me with safe , plausible explanation as I doubt they thought of this deeply .

I've seen enough evidence through out my little life and not that I searched for it even, I simply watched . I can't watch it anymore. Guess I'm not exactly the one who should or needs to , it makes me very depressed .

It took more than 20 years of deep insights and study to subjects such as psychology, sociology , mind controls and other human sciences before I was able to get some better defined answers to what I could not see first hands .

Search for the works of Sigmund Freud for start and how crowd psychology was used by worlds agencies and regimes to manipulate masses and control nations,
through advertisements .


I earnestly wish there was never any holocaust, no fascism, no racism, no hatred , no wars, no weapons of mass destruction . No pain no suffering . I wish even the names of those things were forgotten and gone from our vocabulary . Together with MK Ultra, Guantanamo , atrocities committed in Tibet, Syria, Libya , Egypt .. please hand me the list of world countries so that someone somewhere do not feel forgotten ..

I wish it's all not true, it has never happened, not happening . No nightmares, no killing children, no abuse, no torture, no trauma, no sadness .



...


I'd have to talk more to explain my future vision for mankind that I know is shared by good few of us , yet .. there would be more here who would call me a fool and hate me for whatever .

So I think that the bright , peaceful future may take about thousand years to come at least ..and before we're willing to forget by fixing it . From within and without






P.S. It's also true that the millions of people dying in Somalia and other countries of famine, drought and diseases .. is actually only few thousands .. and they've actually preferred to starve themselves ( something like yer' anorexia ) because they realised futility of their existence .. and though we are all watching it .. we can't really help them because ..
they've chosen it, it's their 'karma' , their destiny that should not be interrupted forcibly by advanced measures and so and so forth .

There's always been suffering in this world . Too many people called it illusory before they hit the stove.

There's always been suffering in this world . Too many people called it illusory before they hit the stove.



There has always been confusion
between the physical and the spiritual.
This is what keeps humans angry.




Tony

[loungelizard]

Posted by aikisaw (here)

That is why he let the British army go at Dunkirk.

That's a new one on me. Can you please give a link to the source so that it can be researched? Thanks!

[Milneman]

aikisaw,

Do not for a moment believe Hitler has replaced "the devil". I'm not sure who you thinks believes the things you listed about the German people...you'd be hard pressed to find them here at Avalon, and you'd be hard pressed to find them here in Canada. And I should know! My grandmother was German. As I said, some of the greatest contributions to arts, science, philosophy, music, are from Germany.

I'm not OK with making national socialist doctrine ok, but when I see such blatant ignorance of established historical facts, I get angry.
As for the reasoning behind why Judaism is even relevant to any of this. Ok, am I cracked, or are you saying there was some kind of metaphysical reason why they had to die, and is there a reason why I think that is cracked? Listen, show me your sources, your documentation, your scholarly proof. Let's debate it, and maybe I'm wrong!

Hitler wasn't Satan. He was an Austrian with one testicle who was an exceptionally good politician, and an exceptionally eccentric one, if not mad. That doesn't make him the devil. I never said that.

However, it's important that your argument makes me believe this. So I know it's beginning to break down into irrationalism. The truth is winning out here.

Your last sentence, "As for the holocaust there is enough evidence to come to any conclusion you want. One conclusion is illegal to talk about. Do you think there may be a reason?"

I'm open minded. Show me your academic proofs, let's debate them, and see what comes out in the end. If you're serious about what you believe, you will have no problem with this.

Let me remind you. I, and others, have provided ample video and bibliographical evidence to prove your thesis incorrect including ACTUAL quotes from Mein Kampf. Show me your documented proofs.

[meeradas]

Inserting another different perspective on the guy, because this is the right place to do it:

http://savitrieradevotees.blogspot.d...nd-mother.html

[first part from here]

[Tony]

ILLUSIONS

Life is confusing isn't it?

If we say, “Everything is an illusion,” without understand it's ultimate meaning,
can allow others to get away with murder - on a relative level. It all comes down
to a capacity to understand. Christ said, “Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.”

When we are caught up in worldliness, then there is no end to emotional upset.
We battle with this and that...endlessly! The world is in a mess, for the foreseeable
future it will remain a mess ...we don't have to make it worse.
The truth in a relative world is a relative truth. Relative meaning it all comes and goes…
“It came to pass.” It has absolutely no ultimate true existence, it's temporary.
This only seems permanent if we hold onto the same ideas.
And in that, we recreate the past, unfortunately! How many Hitlers have we had?
Are we potential Hitlers?

Ignorance is maintained by ignorance, and so we get caught up in all this suffering
again and again. Our 'righteousness' is our down fall.

Compassion is empathising with the suffering of others, and addressing it.
Very bad things happen in this world, which are created by endless selfishness...in all of us.

Anyone who is emotionally unstable, given the 'right' circumstances will take advantage
of that situation for self gratification, and cause suffering to others.
We have all seen the experiments, of obeying orders. We join the 'elite' of 'knowers'.

Ultimately everything IS an illusion. Everything only seems to have a reality,
because of our misunderstanding. And so, we live in a day-dream or night-mare of the past,
which will create our future. In the relative world there is always a cause behind a cause.
Argument merely keeps hatred going, leaving destructive seeds in our own mind.

It is these very seeds that create bias illusions in our own minds. To end suffering we have
to know the causes of that suffering. We need a clear mind and heart.
Otherwise suffering is perpetuated.

The cause of suffering is our own reactions.
I have experienced mindless hatred toward me.
Not accepting the hatred, it unfortunately
stays with the originator.




Tony

[Cidersomerset]

That is why he let the British army go at Dunkirk.
That's a new one on me. Can you please give a link to the source so that it can be researched? Thanks!

There is some truth to this, Lord Halifax Britains foreign minister had arranged
with the Italian ambassador whether it would be possible to try and negotiate
peace terms as the Dunkirk evacuations were starting, Whether Hitler was aware of
this via the Italians or it was just to regroup the Panzer division for the final push is
another of those coincidences based on possible facts. I watched the first part of
the BBC drama doc Dunkirk last night inbetween posts and other vids on Mengele,
as I said I am a history buff and u'tube keeps popping up other related vids.....

Hitler did over rule his high command to halt the panzers outside Dunkirk,
time enough for the British and French troops to strengthen a perimeter
around the pocket to enable the evacuation to take off more troops, than
if the Germans had carried on with the momentum of their 'blitz' thru
Belgium , Holland, Luxemburg and north east France. This did open a
window for the British to sue for peace, before as Hitler saw it the
humiliating defeat of the British expeditionary force. Churchill was
opposed to surrender and thru his strength of will carried the cabinet with him.


Remember there were many Hitler/Mussolini admirers around the world before the
war including some in the Royal family....

In part one it does portray one of the first known massacres of British
prisoners by waffan SS troops in a barn, a small taste of what was to
happen on the eastern front. The vast majority of British prisoners were
treated within the terms of the Geneva convention, something not
recognised on the Eastern Front as a rule.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=f0sRK0M7Sp4

Published on 15 Apr 2013


The Dunkirk evacuation, commonly known as the Miracle of Dunkirk, code-named
Operation Dynamo by the British, was the evacuation of Allied soldiers from the
beaches and harbour of Dunkirk, France, between 27 May and the early hours of 4
June 1940, because the British, French, and Belgian troops were cut off by the
German army during the Battle of Dunkirk in the Second World War. The
evacuation was ordered on 26 May.

In a speech to the House of Commons, Winston Churchill called the events in
France "a colossal military disaster", saying that "the whole root and core and brain
of the British Army" had been stranded at Dunkirk and seemed about to perish or
be captured. In his We shall fight on the beaches speech on 4 June, he hailed their
rescue as a "miracle of deliverance".

From 28--31 May 1940, an event known as the Siege of Lille involved the
remaining 40,000 men of the once-formidable French First Army in a delaying
action against seven German divisions, including three armoured divisions, which
were attempting to cut off and destroy the Allied armies at Dunkirk. According to
Churchill, "These Frenchmen, under the gallant leadership of General Molinié, had
for four critical days contained no less than seven German divisions which
otherwise could have joined in the assaults on the Dunkirk perimeter. This was a
splendid contribution to the escape of their more fortunate comrades of the BEF".

On the first day, only 7,011 men were evacuated, but by the ninth day, a total of
338,226 soldiers (198,229 British and 139,997 French) had been rescued by the
hastily assembled fleet of 933 boats. Many of the troops were able to embark from
the harbour's protective mole onto 42 British destroyers and other large ships,
while others had to wade from the beaches toward the ships, waiting for hours to
board, shoulder-deep in water. Others were ferried from the beaches to the larger
ships, and thousands were carried back to Britain by the famous "little ships of
Dunkirk", a flotilla of around 700 merchant marine boats, fishing boats, pleasure
craft and Royal National Lifeboat Institution lifeboats—the smallest of which was
the 14 ft 7 in (4.45 m) fishing boat Tamzine, now in the Imperial War Museum—
whose civilian crews were called into service for the emergency. The "miracle of the
little ships" remains a prominent folk memory in Britain.

Operation Dynamo took its name from the dynamo room in the naval headquarters
below Dover Castle, which contained the dynamo that provided the building with
electricity during the war. It was in this room that British Vice Admiral Bertram
Ramsay planned the operation and briefed Winston Churchill as it was under way.

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Actually I'm having a cup of coffee and watching part 2

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bIaXA93Kj1k

Interesting in the context how this thread has developed, Churchill in a cabinet
briefing suggests in response to the possible Germans invading straight away.
To respond by sowing the beaches with 'Gas'. I had not heard that before,
again whether turn of events would of seen this implemented or it was a
spur of the moment 'Churchillian' response thankfully we will never know.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ep64ePzq9rc

Another example of the horrors and futility of war.....

[Andrew]

It's funny the horrors of war stay the main topic and the people most upset about it keep reminding us yet we never get to actually understanding the war properly (maybe that's the point). Some times I dont think people understand what War is?
Does it really matter whether you get shot in the face or bayoneted in the throat or shot in the back of the head or a grenade land on your lap or a bomb land on your house or stretched on a rack or hung drawn and quartered or all the other ways of killing people? does it matter if you get shot on the battlefield or in a camp? what is the difference? most people signed up happily most didn't even know what they were fighting for..

So lets get past what happens in War... people die **** loads of them. There has been wars on this planet all they way back in time we could go on and on about how people die in them.


Most didn't even know what they were fighting for... nearly 70 years on neither do we.

So what was so important to have this war of all wars?

What was one man fighting for? (excuse me while I laugh my head off at the fact it was Hitlers war on his own) you just don't get that kind of support for nothing. (today we have wars that nobody supports.. and against who ? Don't we bomb brown people? the weak?)

What was the allies fighting for?

And where do the people (commoners) come into all this?

Was the leaders on both sides just fighting for themselves?

both sides did equally bad things to eachother

From what I've gathered Stalin did 10x more horrendous things then Hitler atleast people wanted to fight for Hitler as Stalin had to bully his country to fight.

In Germany people actually knew what they were fighting for and for the allies all they knew was they were going to war......

I wonder what people would think if the government said "Right we going to eradicate the mafia we've had enough of there dealings and way of life" Most people would go hip hip hooray... lock em up.. off with his head!! and so on