The Guts and the Glory of the Georgia Guidestones

[seehas]

Posted by childs hood end (here)
maybe the stones are not for us... maybe its a guide for the next generations of humanity... maybe were past fixing and the stone builders know this.

so lets hope the masses will be able to read this message, since most of the messages our ancesters tried to leave behind got removed by our shadow goverment.

[AriG]

Most people interpret the Georgia Guidestones as evil because...... they were erected recently and are asking humanity to hold population to a figure that is unattainable with over 7B world population and counting. The only way that directive could be followed is to either cull the existing population, wage war, cause environmental disaster resulting in mass death toll, induce a plague, or sterilize 90% of the world's population within reproductive age. With the advent of life elongating technologies, the only solution is the continued rape of the planet or the murder of billions of people on earth.

The message isn't evil, necessarily. The ACTION steps required to achieve the mandate is what is evil.

If the AHOLE who erected the Guidestones had a modicum of intelligence, he/she/it/they would have provided a timeline for achieving their idea of nirvana versus their dictate. As it "stands", this symbol of elitism poses a threat to anyone with a conscience, a soul, the capacity to love one's brethren, or a desire to make a difference in this convoluted chaos.

[sigma6]

Posted by AriG (here)
I tend to agree with OMG. These stones are either the creation of one very wealthy Georgian, or a collective endeavor. Whomever is responsible was the beneficiary of the raping and pillaging of the earth and now they have the gall to dictate our choices to offset their exploitation. They made the bed and they want us to lie in it. The guidestones are more PTB dogma. We need to move beyond the dynamic that seeks to control and dictate the direction of the human race. No one entity or special interest has the right to determine how we will continue to evolve.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you... Bless you... your mind is capable of seeing the situation in its entirety, and caught the subtle undertones... And Eram is right too, we don't have to rape the earth and spew billions of tons of toxic waste into the environment, this is done solely for the benefit of a teeny tiny percentage of the population, the same bunch that put those stones... they go by various last names like ... oh say ... Rockefeller, Rothschild, Warburg, and now etc, etc.... Corporations could be structured to recreate what they damage, reseed what they cut and clean their own pollution, at a fraction of the cost of all the money spent on military hardware... everything could be processed in a sustainable fashion IF THEY WANTED TO... and if it was MANDATED... The entire population of the world right now could fit into the State of Texas... And Free Energy could turn the entire planet into a paradise... nothing wrong with those words, but it depends who you put in charge to implement them... the stereotypical schoolbook version of Hitler could be given those 'instructions' ... Have you considered that maybe he was trying to do exactly that... and why there is always a pocket of sympathizers for him, because they were looking at the long term goals of what he was trying to achieve... But there is no doubt what the short term implementation would look like... and that means 90% of the population needs to be buried under the ground to create fertilizer.... any volunteers...

The elites have built up a level of technology using the entire human race as their slaves... in otherwords WE BUILT IT... and now they want to blow off 90% of their staff... isn't that big of them...

[gripreaper]

Here's how I read it.

"1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

So, since the human genome was manipulated and only two strands of DNA were left active, and the ability to reproduce against nature was engineered into this manipulation so that we could be used as slaves, we are now supposed to reduce down to fewer than 500 million and be in balance with nature?

2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

How do we do this without activating the other 80% of inactive DNA strands which we are indigenous to, and live within nature as the rest of the animals do? Its egregious that we were altered against nature and now some glorious eliteist with a conscience is going to tell us to quit f'king around and get in balance? Fitness and diversity? So, all you lazy bastards need to get busy and do whats right.

3. UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

Gee, how is it that there are so many dialects, when the original dialect depicted in the hieroglyphs held both hemispheres of the brain in balance, as well as the sound, tone and color of the requisite frequency? Who took this original language and divided it into the many dialects?

4. RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON

This is based on the premise that human nature is fundamentally out of control and is aggressive and self aggrandizing. Nothing could be further from the truth if we had not been manipulated, hybridized, and programmed into a paradigm of scarcity and competition. True empaths do not operate within such a paradigm. Choosing reason as the absolute mandate for behavior is fallacious while ignoring the full spectrum abilities of the complete soulful human who is fully integrated and has access to all of the upper Siddhis abilities and is NOT just ruled by the five senses.

5. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

This is laughable. Just courts, fairness? The premise is that one human has harmed another and therefore, based on some moralistic relativism, there needs to be adjudication to mete out justice in order to what? Bring the universe back into balance? To properly distribute the resources equitably? To punish the perpetrator and to make whole the victim? Should the court be Common Law, Admiralty, Chancery, Commercial? What kind?

7. AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS

Makes sense, but how does this fit into the alleged paradigm? Can we somehow reduce the number of bureaucrats down to an acceptable amount who will malevolently rule the underclass in an equitable fashion? So we don't need to be told how to mow our lawns? Wrong paradigm still.

8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

Oh good, now it’s time to bring in balance in a paradigm of scarcity and control. Good idea. We need to decide who does what in a equitable distribution of labor. Anyone want to scrub those toilets?

9. PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE

Really? Sure am glad someone wrote this down to remind me. I should meditate and sing KumBaYa with my friends.

10. BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE."

Haha! Yea, all you slaves need to quit screwing up the planet at the elites behest, and quit acquiescing to your own slavery, and competing against each other for scarce resources, killing each other for survival of the fittest, cause the competitiveness to support the global elite and their nefarious agendas is killing nature! You paying off debt by cannibalizing nature is screwing things up! Stop it!

This “guidestone” is the most narcissistic, elitist bunch of bullcrap, in my humble opinion, which has ever been cast in stone. Utter balderdash and propaganda. The very term "guidestone" implies we need to be guided, by someone or something which is of higher authority, probably in some hierarchical pyramid structure who is at the top, who sees all things and has a long term picture view and knows how to control those self aggrandizing corrupt humans!

So, maybe its a good idea to exterminate 6.5 billion of the useless eaters and save the cream of the crop? Then, why not kill um all and develop a new hybrid by manipulating the current DNA and splicing it with aliens, who can breathe air with heavy metals and eat crap food and will just obey without complaining, and who don't like to F'k? The clean genes could always go into hidey holes while the extermination is taking place and emerge with their new hybrid slaves who don't complain.

They forgot to put THAT on their guidestones.

[wolf_rt]

I thought that i was obvious that this has been left for future generations. That is how it is worded. And it seems blindingly obvious that putting a monument up with 'maintain humanity under 500,000,000' is not going to have any impact on the 7 billion people who are being sterilized as we speak...

[Darla Ken Pearce]

The thing about these guide stones ~ the "deal breaker" are items 1 & 2. These two are nothing but a call for genocide and no decent person would sanction such a thing under any circumstance. The 2nd item while less drastic than the first opens the door to selective breeding and would require population control not too different than what has happened today with secret sterilization programs sponsored by the U.N.'s WHO and TPTW (the powers that were).

Let Earth decide how many children she nurtures, there is bounty enough for all. It is the few that hog resources and take more than their fair share that is choking her too death with their endless wars, greed and avarice. The other items on the guide stones pass the smell test and are good things that would benefit the Earth.

There is a certain arrogance and lack of compassion that sets this monument apart. The secrecy factor indicates it didn't come from higher Galactic sources.

[ceetee9]

My problem with the Georgia Guidestones is not only that nearly every statement is an edict of control, but that it was written in secrecy by who knows who, for who knows what actual purpose, and with no details as to how the edicts are to be accomplished and with no way of finding out how the author(s) intended to accomplish these goals—no matter how lofty they may seem on the surface.

Don't forget that the way the controllers control us is by dangling a few truthful and/or reasonable carrots to get us to bite at what they're peddling without paying attention to the garbage and ultimate goal of the control mechanism (law, regulation, statute, etc.) that they wish to put in place. More times than not, we learn about all the negative issues and real intent of these wondrous “rules” after they are enacted.

For example:

1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

How do they propose to do this? Who decides how it is done, by whom, and when? How is it enforced? What happens/happened to the other 6.5 billion people living now? Who determined that 500 million people is the magic number the Earth can sustain in balance with nature and where is the data to support this statement—especially since the Earth has been supporting many times that number for hundreds of years and is supporting 14 times that number currently; albeit not in the manner we'd all like to see.

2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

Again, who determines how that is done? How is it enforced? If this is just a “guide” what are the ramifications if the “guide” isn't followed, and if it is critical to ensure that edict #1 is achieved (which I think any reasonable person would have to agree it is) what are the penalties for those who don't adhere to it? What is meant by “improving fitness and diversity?” Is this accomplished through genetic engineering?

3. UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

Who decides what that “living new language” is? How is it enforced? Are all current languages and cultures discouraged and/or dropped? And exactly how does a language unite humanity? Without question having a common language that everyone spoke would make communication with each other easier and better, but language, in and of itself, has no properties (that I'm aware of) that cause people to think, act and behave in the same manner; much less cause them to “believe in” the same things which, if it did, might actually have a uniting effect.

4. RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON

Now here we see a clear statement of intent. Our passions, faith, traditions, and “all things” will be “ruled.” That should give all of us a warm and fuzzy. Right? I think we can all ask many pertinent questions as to where, when and how these “rules” will be implemented, what the penalties are for not following the “rules” and who gets to determine and enforce the “rules.”

5. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

Ah yes, just like we're being “protected” now with “fair” laws and “just” courts. Even though we haven't managed to achieve this lofty goal in thousands of years, magically, we are led to believe, the new regime, err, gestapo, um, tyrants, I mean, benevolent leaders will guarantee that this will occur. I want to see all the blueprints for this one. How about you?

6. LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES IN A WORLD COURT

Now we're getting to the real agenda behind these guidestones, IMO—One World Government control. So when a nation's internal rule(s) don't gel with the World Government (which one would assume you would have to have to have a World Court) does the nation's rule(s) stand or does the World Court step in and “lend them a hand?” This is a joke in my estimation. We already allegedly have “sovereign” nations, but the UN and US (at least) can't seem to keep their fingers out of any nation's pie that doesn't serve their needs or desires. So, again I say, if we can't make this work now, how on Earth are we going to make it work in the future? Oh yeah, by making a sweeping general statement and don't worry about the details.

7. AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS

You mean like we've done so far? This statement incorporates two words that succinctly describes its worth—petty and useless. Is anyone beginning to see a pattern here?

8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

Who determines what our personal rights and social duties are and what the “balance” is? What if we disagree? Again, I want to see the blueprints. While this simple statement (like many of them) may sound reasonable at first glance, but once you start asking even simple questions about the non-existent details; such as who determines what rights and social duties are envisioned or how they are defined and to be enforced and by whom, one begins to see that these are just more controls and manipulations (perhaps stated in more palatable terms) that are to be given a wink and a nod by todays consumers with the implementation details left to those who know what's best for us all. In other words, it's just more of the same crap we've been spoon fed for thousands of years by the powers that be, but just dressed up in a new suit to look different enough for us to go back to sleep safe in the knowledge we will now be treated fairly, justly, and equally. Oh, wait, I haven't seen any statements yet about equality. Hmmm... Maybe I haven't read far enough yet.

9. PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE

A beautiful statement and I couldn't agree more. Is this one the clinching carrot to get us to bite on the rest of the control statements? If you think about it, wouldn't this one statement be about all that would be needed to create a world where we all live in peace and harmony with each other and nature and with abundance for all—provided, of course, you could get everyone to agree on it and live by it?

10. BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE.

Again, I couldn't agree more. But is it not the controllers who are the most malignant form of cancer on this planet?

Is it not the controllers who send our children to fight their wars, build their factories and corporations, create the laws that all but they have to live by?

Is it not the controllers who keep us at odds with one another through their manipulative political, educational, and religious institutions?

Is it not the controllers who “allow” us to have some nature preserves to give us the illusion they care about nature and the planet while their corporations and puppet governments pollute the air, water, soil and food supplies and destroy millions of acres of rain forests while they themselves own hundreds, if not thousands, of acres of the most beautiful real estate on the planet?

Is it not the controllers who suck trillions of dollars from their hard working and brainwashed slaves through taxes, energy, medical, pharmaceutical, insurance and telecommunication corporations (to name just a few)?

I'm sorry, but for me the Georgia Guidestones are nothing more than a tip of the hat from those who rule the world and intend on continuing to rule the world long after whatever catastrophic event and/or nefarious means they have up their sleeves to get the population down to a manageable (read: more easily controlled) level. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but, for me at least, the hand writing is on the stones.

[turiya]

Chris Thomas wrote:

The population has been dropping radically.
From a high of around 7.4 billion in 1996, the total world population has, at the start of 2011, dropped to around 3.8 billion and is continuing to fall. Yet, despite a virtual halving of the world's population, most have not noticed and/or even continue to believe that we have a rising population.
Synthesis by Chris Thomas (page 136)

turiya

[Knowrainknowrainbows!]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

[gripreaper]

Posted by turiya (here)
Chris Thomas wrote:

The population has been dropping radically.
From a high of around 7.4 billion in 1996, the total world population has, at the start of 2011, dropped to around 3.8 billion and is continuing to fall. Yet, despite a virtual halving of the world's population, most have not noticed and/or even continue to believe that we have a rising population.
Synthesis by Chris Thomas (page 136)

turiya

Uh, this does not lend credibility to Chris Thomas. How does he figure this to be true?

[wolf_rt]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Uh, this does not lend credibility to Chris Thomas. How does he figure this to be true?

Thats what i thought at first, but how would we know?

[Becky]

Posted by Darla Ken Pearce (here)
The thing about these guide stones ~ the "deal breaker" are items 1 & 2. These two are nothing but a call for genocide and no decent person would sanction such a thing under any circumstance. The 2nd item while less drastic than the first opens the door to selective breeding and would require population control not too different than what has happened today with secret sterilization programs sponsored by the U.N.'s WHO and TPTW (the powers that were).

Let Earth decide how many children she nurtures, there is bounty enough for all. It is the few that hog resources and take more than their fair share that is choking her too death with their endless wars, greed and avarice. The other items on the guide stones pass the smell test and are good things that would benefit the Earth.

There is a certain arrogance and lack of compassion that sets this monument apart. The secrecy factor indicates it didn't come from higher Galactic sources.

I love this comment - I think Mother nature would be a better judge than the 'elite' on how she can support everything/one that lives on/within her.

[Orobo]

Well, I have to disagree with you O. Those guidestones were erected to incite strong emotional responses


with the presumption that the stone's commissioner has the right to dictate the future of the planet.


Yes, there are plenty of good folks with deep pockets, but a truly good philanthropist wouldn't sink to terroristic threatening. IMHO of course.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply.
I see three things that are in yóur head. How do you know this? It does not say this anywhere. No threats, no presumptions.
I understand your reaction, but don´t see these. I see assumptions.

And yes, mother earth can deal with a lot. The 500.000.000 peeps line is not the earth talking here. That doesn´t make it evil or anything.

Curiosity matet with suspended judgement is my tune so far. Fear and assumptions, presumptions etc do not help.

Love O.

[blufire]

I support and agree with Bright Garlick’s statement in his OP.

There is very strong research behind the very distinct possibility that John Lennon is behind the Georgia Guidestones. See these 2 threads:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ia+guidestones

Starting at post #166 by Jorr Lundstrom (who I miss greatly)

. . . . and this thread about the man John Lennon and the Guidestones

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...nes#post659619


My personal opinion is the Georgia Guidestones are literally just a ‘guide’ to follow after the earth’s next ELE (extinction level event) and/or as we continue to go through the current 6th mass extinction. We are not and will not be exterminated by the ‘elite’.

We are experiencing currently a ‘natural cull’ by Mother Earth. It is always interesting to me that most feel that when mother earth eliminates or limits the human population that it is somehow a pleasant or beautiful process . . . . which is far from truth.

Think people what the Mother would ‘use’ to reduce a species (humans in this case). Some are a natural result of the current over population and some natural events are cyclical that occur through time.

I will continue my opinion on this thread of mine:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ct-as-a-child-

[turiya]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
Chris Thomas wrote:

The population has been dropping radically.
From a high of around 7.4 billion in 1996, the total world population has, at the start of 2011, dropped to around 3.8 billion and is continuing to fall. Yet, despite a virtual halving of the world's population, most have not noticed and/or even continue to believe that we have a rising population.
Synthesis by Chris Thomas (page 136)

turiya

Uh, this does not lend credibility to Chris Thomas. How does he figure this to be true?

Get a grip, reaper...

And you give the gov't & its "official" population figures credibility???
You need a good brainwash, imo., cuz you seem to be forgetting about the incoming carbon taxation scheme? All based on too many people using up too many resources... creating too much CO2

On the contrary, it gives a whole lot of credibility to Chris Thomas. We seen how the government falsifies the "official figures" in many areas, "official" employment figures are a lie, "official" economic inflation figures are lie, "official" global warming figures are a lie, etc. Now why do you believe the "official" government figures on population being other than another lie ???

Chris says he has be born 'hard-wired' connected with the Akashic.
See the thread Update on Human Evolution by Chris Thomas...
From that thread is Post #2, scroll down and Chris Thomas writes:

Along with climate change, we have the myth of a rising population. Official government figures state that the world population is about 7 billion and rising. This is a lie.

GMO CROPS IN COMPARISON

The main reason for this lie is so that GM crops need to be grown to feed the world. Apart from the fact that GM crops are increasingly failing and eating them is causing new diseases (Morgellan's disease) in both humans and animals, the real reason is again fear. So let us look at the real figures. Virtually every country has reported a population drop over at least the last ten years.

Western countries are shutting schools due to lack of pupils, in other words, the birth rate is extremely low. Every western country is having to bring in migrant workers just to sustain the current workforce levels. Many eastern European countries are now virtually empty of people as the population has left to work in other countries. Most non-western countries have dropping populations due to famine, wars and mass vaccination programmes.

So how can we have a rising world population?

According to the Akashic, the world population peaked at 7.4 billion in 1996. Since then it has been rapidly falling to the point where it is currently between 3.8 and 3.9 billion and it is continuing to drop.

The reason why people are starving in many countries is not too many mouths to feed but too much land has been given over to the growing of crops for bio-fuels, so much so that many countries cannot grow enough food to feed their people – world food prices have risen by an average of 35 percent since the planting of bio fuels began (figures from The Friends of the Earth).

turiya

[donk]

My problem with the Georgia Guidestones is not only that nearly every statement is an edict of control, but that it was written in secrecy by who knows who, for who knows what actual purpose, and with no details as to how the edicts are to be accomplished and with no way of finding out how the author(s) intended to accomplish these goals—no matter how lofty they may seem on the surface.

Don't forget that the way the controllers control us is by dangling a few truthful and/or reasonable carrots to get us to bite at what they're peddling without paying attention to the garbage and ultimate goal of the control mechanism (law, regulation, statute, etc.) that they wish to put in place. More times than not, we learn about all the negative issues and real intent of these wondrous “rules” after they are enacted.

Agreed, this is the most important point of all of this, I think.

If it was benevolent, it would not be done in the dark. There would be no questions, mystery, speculation ....emotional manipulation.

If the intent was somehow initially benevolent, he/she/they screwed it up by using the most malevolent of methods: darkness, keeping us ignorant

To revere that behavior is to continue the same old story...the biggest reason we have all the problems in the first place: real information, truth, is hidden from us by those who feel they should keep and transmit it as they will, while we remain only worthy of what crumbs they choose to leave us.

"Guts and glory"? Of hiding behind anonymity? I respectfully disagree

[turiya]

In support of Chris Thomas' credibility:
The following article points out the decrease in birthrates, seemingly, across the board, especially with countries like Brazil, India, Mexico, etc...
Add to this, it appears nobody keeps a census/record on death rates.

a cross post from another thread...

About That Overpopulation Problem

Research suggests we may actually face a declining world population in the coming years.
By Jeff Wise

The world’s seemingly relentless march toward overpopulation achieved a notable milestone in 2012: Somewhere on the planet, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates, the 7 billionth living person came into existence.

Lucky No. 7,000,000,000 probably celebrated his or her birthday sometime in March and added to a population that’s already stressing the planet’s limited supplies of food, energy, and clean water. Should this trend continue, as the Los Angeles Times noted in a five-part series marking the occasion, by midcentury, “living conditions are likely to be bleak for much of humanity.”

A somewhat more arcane milestone, meanwhile, generated no media coverage at all: It took humankind 13 years to add its 7 billionth. That’s longer than the 12 years it took to add the 6 billionth—the first time in human history that interval had grown. (The 2 billionth, 3 billionth, 4 billionth, and 5 billionth took 123, 33, 14, and 13 years, respectively.) In other words, the rate of global population growth has slowed. And it’s expected to keep slowing. Indeed, according to experts’ best estimates, the total population of Earth will stop growing within the lifespan of people alive today.
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And then it will fall.

This is a counterintuitive notion in the United States, where we’ve heard often and loudly that world population growth is a perilous and perhaps unavoidable threat to our future as a species. But population decline is a very familiar concept in the rest of the developed world, where fertility has long since fallen far below the 2.1 live births per woman required to maintain population equilibrium. In Germany, the birthrate has sunk to just 1.36, worse even than its low-fertility neighbors Spain (1.48) and Italy (1.4). The way things are going, Western Europe as a whole will most likely shrink from 460 million to just 350 million by the end of the century. That’s not so bad compared with Russia and China, each of whose populations could fall by half. As you may not be surprised to learn, the Germans have coined a polysyllabic word for this quandary: Schrumpf-Gesellschaft, or “shrinking society.”

American media have largely ignored the issue of population decline for the simple reason that it hasn’t happened here yet. Unlike Europe, the United States has long been the beneficiary of robust immigration. This has helped us not only by directly bolstering the number of people calling the United States home but also by propping up the birthrate, since immigrant women tend to produce far more children than the native-born do.

But both those advantages look to diminish in years to come. A report issued last month by the Pew Research Center found that immigrant births fell from 102 per 1,000 women in 2007 to 87.8 per 1,000 in 2012. That helped bring the overall U.S. birthrate to a mere 64 per 1,000 women—not enough to sustain our current population.

Moreover, the poor, highly fertile countries that once churned out immigrants by the boatload are now experiencing birthrate declines of their own. From 1960 to 2009, Mexico’s fertility rate tumbled from 7.3 live births per woman to 2.4, India’s dropped from six to 2.5, and Brazil’s fell from 6.15 to 1.9. Even in sub-Saharan Africa, where the average birthrate remains a relatively blistering 4.66, fertility is projected to fall below replacement level by the 2070s. This change in developing countries will affect not only the U.S. population, of course, but eventually the world’s.

Why is this happening? Scientists who study population dynamics point to a phenomenon called “demographic transition.”

“For hundreds of thousands of years,” explains Warren Sanderson, a professor of economics at Stony Brook University, “in order for humanity to survive things like epidemics and wars and famine, birthrates had to be very high.” Eventually, thanks to technology, death rates started to fall in Europe and in North America, and the population size soared. In time, though, birthrates fell as well, and the population leveled out. The same pattern has repeated in countries around the world. Demographic transition, Sanderson says, “is a shift between two very different long-run states: from high death rates and high birthrates to low death rates and low birthrates.” Not only is the pattern well-documented, it’s well under way: Already, more than half the world’s population is reproducing at below the replacement rate.

If the Germany of today is the rest of the world tomorrow, then the future is going to look a lot different than we thought. Instead of skyrocketing toward uncountable Malthusian multitudes, researchers at Austria’s International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis foresee the global population maxing out at 9 billion some time around 2070. On the bright side, the long-dreaded resource shortage may turn out not to be a problem at all. On the not-so-bright side, the demographic shift toward more retirees and fewer workers could throw the rest of the world into the kind of interminable economic stagnation that Japan is experiencing right now.

And in the long term—on the order of centuries—we could be looking at the literal extinction of humanity.

That might sound like an outrageous claim, but it comes down to simple math. According to a 2008 IIASA report, if the world stabilizes at a total fertility rate of 1.5—where Europe is today—then by 2200 the global population will fall to half of what it is today. By 2300, it’ll barely scratch 1 billion. (The authors of the report tell me that in the years since the initial publication, some details have changed—Europe’s population is falling faster than was previously anticipated, while Africa’s birthrate is declining more slowly—but the overall outlook is the same.) Extend the trend line, and within a few dozen generations you’re talking about a global population small enough to fit in a nursing home.

It’s far from certain that any of this will come to pass. IIASA’s numbers are based on probabilistic projections, meaning that demographers try to identify the key factors affecting population growth and then try to assess the likelihood that each will occur. The several layers of guesswork magnify potential errors. “We simply don’t know for sure what will be the population size at a certain time in the future,” demographer Wolfgang Lutz told IIASA conference-goers earlier this year. “There are huge uncertainties involved.” Still, it’s worth discussing, because focusing too single-mindedly on the problem of overpopulation could have disastrous consequences—see China’s one-child policy.

One of the most contentious issues is the question of whether birthrates in developed countries will remain low. The United Nation’s most recent forecast, released in 2010, assumes that low-fertility countries will eventually revert to a birthrate of around 2.0. In that scenario, the world population tops out at about 10 billion and stays there. But there’s no reason to believe that that birthrates will behave in that way—no one has every observed an inherent human tendency to have a nice, arithmetically stable 2.1 children per couple. On the contrary, people either tend to have an enormous number of kids (as they did throughout most of human history and still do in the most impoverished, war-torn parts of Africa) or far too few. We know how to dampen excessive population growth—just educate girls. The other problem has proved much more intractable: No one’s figured out how to boost fertility in countries where it has imploded. Singapore has been encouraging parenthood for nearly 30 years, with cash incentives of up to $18,000 per child. Its birthrate? A gasping-for-air 1.2. When Sweden started offering parents generous support, the birthrate soared but then fell back again, and after years of fluctuating, it now stands at 1.9—very high for Europe but still below replacement level.

The reason for the implacability of demographic transition can be expressed in one word: education. One of the first things that countries do when they start to develop is educate their young people, including girls. That dramatically improves the size and quality of the workforce. But it also introduces an opportunity cost for having babies. “Women with more schooling tend to have fewer children,” says William Butz, a senior research scholar at IIASA.

In developed countries, childrearing has become a lifestyle option tailored to each couple’s preferences. Maximizing fertility is rarely a priority. My wife and I are a case in point. I’m 46, she’s 39, and we have two toddlers. We waited about as long to have kids as we feasibly could because we were invested in building our careers and, frankly, enjoying all the experiences that those careers let us have. If wanted to pop out another ankle-biter right now, our ageing bodies might just allow us to do so. But we have no intention of trying. As much as we adore our little guys, they’re a lot of work and frighteningly expensive. Most of our friends have just one or two kids, too, and like us they regard the prospect of having three or four kids the way most people look at ultramarathoning or transoceanic sailing—admirable pursuits, but only for the very committed.

That attitude could do for Homo sapiens what that giant asteroid did for the dinosaurs. If humanity is going to sustain itself, then the number of couples deciding to have three or four kids will consistently have to exceed the number opting to raise one or zero. The 2.0 that my wife and I have settled for is a decent effort, but we’re not quite pulling our weight. Are we being selfish? Or merely rational? Our decision is one that I’m sure future generations will judge us on. Assuming there are any.

posted by turiya

[Delight]

Posted by turiya (here)
people either tend to have an enormous number of kids (as they did throughout most of human history and still do in the most impoverished, war-torn parts of Africa) or far too few. We know how to dampen excessive population growth—just educate girls. The other problem has proved much more intractable: No one’s figured out how to boost fertility in countries where it has imploded. Singapore has been encouraging parenthood for nearly 30 years, with cash incentives of up to $18,000 per child. Its birthrate? A gasping-for-air 1.2. When Sweden started offering parents generous support, the birthrate soared but then fell back again, and after years of fluctuating, it now stands at 1.9—very high for Europe but still below replacement level.

The reason for the implacability of demographic transition can be expressed in one word: education. One of the first things that countries do when they start to develop is educate their young people, including girls. That dramatically improves the size and quality of the workforce. But it also introduces an opportunity cost for having babies. “Women with more schooling tend to have fewer children,” says William Butz, a senior research scholar at IIASA.

I have been VERY curious for many months about the real population number. We have no way of knowing...(well I am assuming) as we cannot each count the world or even the city populations? Coincidentally, in my personal life, many people have died in the last 5 years. Personally i know very few infants taking their places. I see a re-distributuon of people but I cannot tell if there are fewer number or more?

As to the Georgia Guide Stones (not too far from where I live), it's a very cool mystery and as far as I am concerned, nonthreatening. The stones call for thinking. If I had erected them, I'd be pleased that people notice.

[Carmody]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Here's how I read it.

"1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

So, since the human genome was manipulated and only two strands of DNA were left active, and the ability to reproduce against nature was engineered into this manipulation so that we could be used as slaves, we are now supposed to reduce down to fewer than 500 million and be in balance with nature?

2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

How do we do this without activating the other 80% of inactive DNA strands which we are indigenous to, and live within nature as the rest of the animals do? Its egregious that we were altered against nature and now some glorious eliteist with a conscience is going to tell us to quit f'king around and get in balance? Fitness and diversity? So, all you lazy bastards need to get busy and do whats right.

3. UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

Gee, how is it that there are so many dialects, when the original dialect depicted in the hieroglyphs held both hemispheres of the brain in balance, as well as the sound, tone and color of the requisite frequency? Who took this original language and divided it into the many dialects?

4. RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON

This is based on the premise that human nature is fundamentally out of control and is aggressive and self aggrandizing. Nothing could be further from the truth if we had not been manipulated, hybridized, and programmed into a paradigm of scarcity and competition. True empaths do not operate within such a paradigm. Choosing reason as the absolute mandate for behavior is fallacious while ignoring the full spectrum abilities of the complete soulful human who is fully integrated and has access to all of the upper Siddhis abilities and is NOT just ruled by the five senses.

5. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

This is laughable. Just courts, fairness? The premise is that one human has harmed another and therefore, based on some moralistic relativism, there needs to be adjudication to mete out justice in order to what? Bring the universe back into balance? To properly distribute the resources equitably? To punish the perpetrator and to make whole the victim? Should the court be Common Law, Admiralty, Chancery, Commercial? What kind?

7. AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS

Makes sense, but how does this fit into the alleged paradigm? Can we somehow reduce the number of bureaucrats down to an acceptable amount who will malevolently rule the underclass in an equitable fashion? So we don't need to be told how to mow our lawns? Wrong paradigm still.

8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

Oh good, now it’s time to bring in balance in a paradigm of scarcity and control. Good idea. We need to decide who does what in a equitable distribution of labor. Anyone want to scrub those toilets?

9. PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE

Really? Sure am glad someone wrote this down to remind me. I should meditate and sing KumBaYa with my friends.

10. BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE."

Haha! Yea, all you slaves need to quit screwing up the planet at the elites behest, and quit acquiescing to your own slavery, and competing against each other for scarce resources, killing each other for survival of the fittest, cause the competitiveness to support the global elite and their nefarious agendas is killing nature! You paying off debt by cannibalizing nature is screwing things up! Stop it!

This “guidestone” is the most narcissistic, elitist bunch of bullcrap, in my humble opinion, which has ever been cast in stone. Utter balderdash and propaganda. The very term "guidestone" implies we need to be guided, by someone or something which is of higher authority, probably in some hierarchical pyramid structure who is at the top, who sees all things and has a long term picture view and knows how to control those self aggrandizing corrupt humans!

So, maybe its a good idea to exterminate 6.5 billion of the useless eaters and save the cream of the crop? Then, why not kill um all and develop a new hybrid by manipulating the current DNA and splicing it with aliens, who can breathe air with heavy metals and eat crap food and will just obey without complaining, and who don't like to F'k? The clean genes could always go into hidey holes while the extermination is taking place and emerge with their new hybrid slaves who don't complain.

They forgot to put THAT on their guidestones.

I hear you Grip.

But.....

Perhaps the message was for them. For the elitists.

To the elitists who are screwing up and screwing over the mass of humanity:

Get it straight, or your presence will be cancelled. down to the last genetic trace.

No more incarnation, no more record, no more chances. You are ****ing done.

Acquiesce in totality, and you'll be lucky of some aspect of who you are remains, in this dimension or the next.

The is no free ride, there is no cheating this, there is no way out.



My posting is getting a bit peckish today... but there are reasons for that.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post767384

For the so called elites - the bottom, middle and even the upper echelons, there is no real separation; if there is connection, at all.... responsibility and reflection remains.

[T Smith]

Every directive begins with a verb. Which implies action. Albeit the subject and object of this action are absolutely passive, ambiguous, and at best left to interpretation.

This is the main issue I take with the Georgia Guidestones. Who is the subject? Humanity at large? Or some controlling elite? Perhaps some controlling non-human force? Whom is the object? Are they one and the same? Does the non critical observer simply assume subject and object are one in the same?

This dynamic is very ambiguous. Put another way, who is to effect the action verbs, to maintain, to guide, to unite, to rule, to protect, to let, to avoid, to balance, to prize, to be? Who is to determine what course is even necessary to effect such action? Is this left to subjective interpretation of an ever elusive subject? Which again leads us back to the question, who is the subject?

I don't take issue with the directives by themselves. Who can argue that each one of them is not a noble tenet to help guide our species' to achieve a harmonious and symbiotic relationship with this planet? However, I often marvel how many of these directives might materialize in an organic way given an end to the prohibition of free energy and an abolishment of the yolk of slavery.