How to astral project without all the hoopla.

[markpierre]

Posted by powessy (here)

Posted by markpierre (here)
I'm confused. But not really. Does everyone or anyone realize that you astral project every time you go to sleep?
That's pretty easy to do too as techniques go.

There's a distinct advantage in that we think it's dreaming and know none of it matters, so it doesn't mess with our heads so much.
And you only have to remember what's useful.

Hello Markpierre it's not so easy for everyone, Your ability to astral project is one way your higher mind uses to teach you things depending on your nature and intent. This method is for all those that don't have your ability to communicate with their higher selves or at least will make them realize there is something more there. If all you are doing is dreaming then there is nothing to fear. Wouldn't it be nice to direct your dreams or astral projections and to realize they have purpose. The intent we all should have is to become aware and to awaken if this is not your intent then a dream is only a dream.

I think you missed me. I said EVERY TIME YOU SLEEP (lets qualify that to dream, remembered or not) you are astral projecting.
Consciousness doesn't sleep. It doesn't stop engaging with totality.
Lucid projection is useful to whomever it's useful to. If it's not useful, it probably wouldn't occur to you to try.
If it doesn't happen, it isn't necessary. I'd only like to point out that preoccupations with the astral are less useful than what's in your face right now. That's what you've been given to work with.
No one misses out on what their higher Selves want them to become aware of.
There aren't some who can and some who can't. There are some who get it one way,
and some who get it in others.

Ya it's a hoot to guide your own dreams. What's the point of it? I'm there to learn what I don't know,
not what I already do.

[Jake]

Posted by Christine Lori (here)
Jake I am lost and thoroughly confused. Like maybe my experiences are so far off, that I can find no common ground. Without a starting point......there are no comments for me to make. Special? No value in a place like Avalon. Then where does someone like me go. Back to making this journey alone? Makes me fell rather like a moron. You are very kind. I still feel bewildered. Some of what I experience is not joyful. But a burden. I have humility. My hat in hand before my creator. But maybe my connections are screwed from my accident. Because here, as in my physical daily life, I am a day late and a dollar short. I am directed back to God. My first Hero. My name is Christine. Then I am told all this stuff about satan and Lucifer.
Someplace I have commented on perspective and point of view.

It was actually a joke about someone who thought he was dead.

So I guess if I am worshipping satan. Or I am lucifer. Then those that believe that poop. Are all wrong. Because I know I am nice. I know I am good. Those are words. I am coming to realize much is lost in words. Words are a clumsy attempt our spirits make to communicate. Listen to my heart more than my words.
What's the use. I just don't get it. If this is unsuitable to be in this thread. Just delete it. I don't care. It was for you. But you have my permission to remove this reply from public view. I don't care.

Christine Lori. Lost and confused is a powerful sign that your soul cries to be recognized. I see you,, and I listen closely!! This world is backwards. Lost and confused is the new normal. Don't be ashamed of facing it down.

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by powessy (here)

Posted by markpierre (here)
I'm confused. But not really. Does everyone or anyone realize that you astral project every time you go to sleep?
That's pretty easy to do too as techniques go.

There's a distinct advantage in that we think it's dreaming and know none of it matters, so it doesn't mess with our heads so much.
And you only have to remember what's useful.

Hello Markpierre it's not so easy for everyone, Your ability to astral project is one way your higher mind uses to teach you things depending on your nature and intent. This method is for all those that don't have your ability to communicate with their higher selves or at least will make them realize there is something more there. If all you are doing is dreaming then there is nothing to fear. Wouldn't it be nice to direct your dreams or astral projections and to realize they have purpose. The intent we all should have is to become aware and to awaken if this is not your intent then a dream is only a dream.

I think you missed me. I said EVERY TIME YOU SLEEP (lets qualify that to dream, remembered or not) you are astral projecting.
Consciousness doesn't sleep. It doesn't stop engaging with totality.
Lucid projection is useful to whomever it's useful to. If it's not useful, it probably wouldn't occur to you to try.
If it doesn't happen, it isn't necessary. I'd only like to point out that preoccupations with the astral are less useful than what's in your face right now. That's what you've been given to work with.
No one misses out on what their higher Selves want them to become aware of.
There aren't some who can and some who can't. There are some who get it one way,
and some who get it in others.

Ya it's a hoot to guide your own dreams. What's the point of it? I'm there to learn what I don't know,
not what I already do.

Wow, I do appreciate where you are coming from. I have always struggled with the question of why I am projecting and others are not. To say one has a natural ability to project is flawed, a bit. I am with you when you say that we ALL project when we are sleeping. It is true. The goal is mind/awake-body/asleep. Practice this until you can stay aware and balanced through the muscle tone drop that indicates sleep paralysis. Most every spiritual ritual practices, have this goal in mind when meditating or dropping into trance. Altered states of consciousness. I have learned, in the astral, what cannot be learned in the physical. I don't look at it as being in 'one place' then 'the other'. I am in Both places. Multi-dimensionally tasking,,, even as we speak. There is nothing divine about it. It is all quite natural. This physical world is being taken for granted, because we have re-enforced a disconnect between our human bodies, and our essence, or souls.... As far as I can tell,,, every single astral projector has become a teacher of their craft. There IS a story unfolding, and we are part of it. We are changing from 'creatures' to 'beings'. Every single one of us!!! The full waking knowledge that I am more than my human body has come from the direct experience of NOT being in it!!! It is priceless. I can see everyone around me struggle with death. I know that a single OBE would change that.... Today, me and T.H. and SirDip and Powessy,,, tomorrow,,,, the world???? We are waking up. Don't feel left out, if you don't remember your OBEs. They occur either way.

I made a decision a long time ago that I would no longer live in turmoil, regarding the ObE activity in my life. It was a DECISION!!!! Now, there is nothing in this physical life that I cannot do the same. It is a decision. All of it! To be happy or sad, or angry or miserable, or joyful or depressed, or bored, or ANYTHING..... I would not have embraced it without my experiences in the astral. The astral is a perspective. And, yes, it all comes back to our state of being right here in physical 3d reality. It has become about the quality of life. In or out of my body.

The OBE is NOT required. But it is highly recommended. The full waking knowledge that we are more than our human bodies is priceless. No fear of death, no confusion about god, no lost love because we don't know or understand where we come from, and our place in the universe. I have this,, and I did not get it from government, religion, science, lawyers, bankers, gurus, or snake oil salespeople...

A powerful experience, if it can be grasped.
Jake.

[Little Cloud]

Hi Jake,

Many thanks for all this information. I have been working at trying to astro project and just last night I think that for the first time, I actually made some progress. However, I distinctly remember hearing or sensing a warning which, in effect, said that I should not visit the astral plane unless invited to do so as there are hidden dangers. The message went on to say that I may come across things that could interfere with my destiny, so I should ensure I am invited. It was unclear whom I should ask or how I would go about eliciting an invitation. Has anything like this ever happened to you? I welcome your comments.

[NoNeedForAName]

Posted by Little Cloud (here)
Hi Jake,

Many thanks for all this information. I have been working at trying to astro project and just last night I think that for the first time, I actually made some progress. However, I distinctly remember hearing or sensing a warning which, in effect, said that I should not visit the astral plane unless invited to do so as there are hidden dangers. The message went on to say that I may come across things that could interfere with my destiny, so I should ensure I am invited. It was unclear whom I should ask or how I would go about eliciting an invitation. Has anything like this ever happened to you? I welcome your comments.

Interesting to read this Little Cloud. I had a similar experience once. You can found my account here,

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post722931 ,

if you want to read it. I'm not sure what to think about it though...

You should have had some previous and non intentional experiences with lucid dreaming or even obes as a kid. Do you mind to tell me if they were good or bad experiences? Just to relate with my own experiences. Thank you.

[powessy]

Posted by markpierre (here)
I think you missed me. I said EVERY TIME YOU SLEEP (lets qualify that to dream, remembered or not) you are astral projecting.
Consciousness doesn't sleep. It doesn't stop engaging with totality.
Lucid projection is useful to whomever it's useful to. If it's not useful, it probably wouldn't occur to you to try.
If it doesn't happen, it isn't necessary. I'd only like to point out that preoccupations with the astral are less useful than what's in your face right now. That's what you've been given to work with.
No one misses out on what their higher Selves want them to become aware of.
There aren't some who can and some who can't. There are some who get it one way,
and some who get it in others.

Ya it's a hoot to guide your own dreams. What's the point of it? I'm there to learn what I don't know,
not what I already do.

Mark I didn't miss you, I can see how you might come up with this but I think it is inaccurate. I don't believe that everyone out there is astral projecting during their sleep, there are only the one's that can and then there is everyone else.
at some point in a persons life they might have a astral projection but too many it frightens them, so they stick to black and white dreams and simple impressions. Your higher self is blind and unaware of anything, it shares your astral dreams of the things around you for interpretations of its surroundings the more you create the more it learns. Then on the other hand you poison yourself by eating unhealthy, create fear as this society instills in men and ignore the one thing that should be the highest on our list our Higher Self. So lets assume that tomorrow you were to die, and you are buried where is your higher self when this happens. Doe's he go on, or what? and what memories does he have of this life if you never opened yourself to him, (your higher self)? I also believe that once you die you must wait to be reborn and this process removes all previous memories of everything. you must be eternal for your soul to be eternal. Humans have not acquired this ability and at the rate of reverse evolution they will never see it. I have experimented and tried to teach this and obe to many people with little or no success, and years later after trying several other methods, they failed also, why is it that these people who wanted to astral project could not. Many people dream every night but astral project I don't agree with you here.

[Little Cloud]

Hi No Need For A Name..... No, I cannot recall any earlier experiences, but I have always had this yearning to discover the 'real' world and to connect with Source. This is a first for me.

[markpierre]

Posted by powessy (here)

Posted by markpierre (here)
I think you missed me. I said EVERY TIME YOU SLEEP (lets qualify that to dream, remembered or not) you are astral projecting.
Consciousness doesn't sleep. It doesn't stop engaging with totality.
Lucid projection is useful to whomever it's useful to. If it's not useful, it probably wouldn't occur to you to try.
If it doesn't happen, it isn't necessary. I'd only like to point out that preoccupations with the astral are less useful than what's in your face right now. That's what you've been given to work with.
No one misses out on what their higher Selves want them to become aware of.
There aren't some who can and some who can't. There are some who get it one way,
and some who get it in others.

Ya it's a hoot to guide your own dreams. What's the point of it? I'm there to learn what I don't know,
not what I already do.

Mark I didn't miss you, I can see how you might come up with this but I think it is inaccurate. I don't believe that everyone out there is astral projecting during their sleep, there are only the one's that can and then there is everyone else.
at some point in a persons life they might have a astral projection but too many it frightens them, so they stick to black and white dreams and simple impressions. Your higher self is blind and unaware of anything, it shares your astral dreams of the things around you for interpretations of its surroundings the more you create the more it learns. Then on the other hand you poison yourself by eating unhealthy, create fear as this society instills in men and ignore the one thing that should be the highest on our list our Higher Self. So lets assume that tomorrow you were to die, and you are buried where is your higher self when this happens. Doe's he go on, or what? and what memories does he have of this life if you never opened yourself to him, (your higher self)? I also believe that once you die you must wait to be reborn and this process removes all previous memories of everything. you must be eternal for your soul to be eternal. Humans have not acquired this ability and at the rate of reverse evolution they will never see it. I have experimented and tried to teach this and obe to many people with little or no success, and years later after trying several other methods, they failed also, why is it that these people who wanted to astral project could not. Many people dream every night but astral project I don't agree with you here.

That's an odd view of what your 'Higher Self' is. That part of you hasn't left heaven. So what are you aware of about what happens during the 97% of your dreaming
that you're not aware of?

[Jake]

Posted by Little Cloud (here)
Hi Jake,

Many thanks for all this information. I have been working at trying to astro project and just last night I think that for the first time, I actually made some progress. However, I distinctly remember hearing or sensing a warning which, in effect, said that I should not visit the astral plane unless invited to do so as there are hidden dangers. The message went on to say that I may come across things that could interfere with my destiny, so I should ensure I am invited. It was unclear whom I should ask or how I would go about eliciting an invitation. Has anything like this ever happened to you? I welcome your comments.

Pleas forgive my delay in posting a response. I was waiting to see if Powessy wanted to tackle it from his perspective. (Which I am not quite sure what powessy's definition of an OBE is,,,)

When I am really trying to project, I always have an OBE book handy. Astral Dynamics, or Secret of the Soul, or Journeys out of the Body,,, for example. It always keeps my interests piqued, and my senses alert. In my experience, the only hidden dangers are the ones that you bring with you. With that said, Yes I have been warned off. In fact, there is a phenomenon called the 'old hag syndrome' that creates a sort of barrier for those that are 'on the fence' with having OBEs. The intense sense that there 'is someone in the room with you', is very real and consistent. Some have reported 'shadow people',,, even hatman... They are definitely real,, but no harm has ever come from them. I believe it to be our first lessons into fear and the power of manifestation. The astral realms are thought responsive environment, and it takes some getting used to. A warning to NOT travel into the astral, could be our 'reaction' to these types of experiences, based on years of confusion regarding disassociate events, like the fully conscious OBE. It has been interpreted over and over by folks in different religions and walks of life. Mohamad was clearly having OBEs,, Night journeys,,, I think that is what he called them. Jesus had many flocks in many 'folds'. Not divine,,, pragmatic and real,,,,, actually. We are doing the same right now. Yes, there is a larger representation of ourselves. Yes, it is trying to reach out to you. That is true in ALL aspects of life. Not just OBE. However, it becomes directly relevant, when we are stripped from the physical, and begin to realize that we are more than our human bodies.

I will warn you too... No harm,, except you will be forced to question everything that you have come to learn about yourself, and the physical world around you... Keep trying, there is a prize at the end. lolololol


Jake.

P.S. My passion for this topic has led me many places. I have studied with the Monroe people, I have studied with Robert Bruce, and I have had insightful conversations with William Buhlman. They would all tell you the same thing,, no harm can come to your physical body during OBE. (maybe if you have a heart condition) Another thing that they will tell you is that there is an 'energy body' component to the experience. And that not all astral 'planes' require a body at all. And that the only fear is the fear that you bring with you...

It is all true, littlecloud. Keep up the good work.
Jake.

[powessy]

Posted by Jake (here)

Posted by Little Cloud (here)
Hi Jake,

Many thanks for all this information. I have been working at trying to astro project and just last night I think that for the first time, I actually made some progress. However, I distinctly remember hearing or sensing a warning which, in effect, said that I should not visit the astral plane unless invited to do so as there are hidden dangers. The message went on to say that I may come across things that could interfere with my destiny, so I should ensure I am invited. It was unclear whom I should ask or how I would go about eliciting an invitation. Has anything like this ever happened to you? I welcome your comments.

Pleas forgive my delay in posting a response. I was waiting to see if Powessy wanted to tackle it from his perspective. (Which I am not quite sure what powessy's definition of an OBE is,,,)

When I am really trying to project, I always have an OBE book handy. Astral Dynamics, or Secret of the Soul, or Journeys out of the Body,,, for example. It always keeps my interests piqued, and my senses alert. In my experience, the only hidden dangers are the ones that you bring with you. With that said, Yes I have been warned off. In fact, there is a phenomenon called the 'old hag syndrome' that creates a sort of barrier for those that are 'on the fence' with having OBEs. The intense sense that there 'is someone in the room with you', is very real and consistent. Some have reported 'shadow people',,, even hatman... They are definitely real,, but no harm has ever come from them. I believe it to be our first lessons into fear and the power of manifestation. The astral realms are thought responsive environment, and it takes some getting used to. A warning to NOT travel into the astral, could be our 'reaction' to these types of experiences, based on years of confusion regarding disassociate events, like the fully conscious OBE. It has been interpreted over and over by folks in different religions and walks of life. Mohamad was clearly having OBEs,, Night journeys,,, I think that is what he called them. Jesus had many flocks in many 'folds'. Not divine,,, pragmatic and real,,,,, actually. We are doing the same right now. Yes, there is a larger representation of ourselves. Yes, it is trying to reach out to you. That is true in ALL aspects of life. Not just OBE. However, it becomes directly relevant, when we are stripped from the physical, and begin to realize that we are more than our human bodies.

I will warn you too... No harm,, except you will be forced to question everything that you have come to learn about yourself, and the physical world around you... Keep trying, there is a prize at the end. lolololol


Jake.

P.S. My passion for this topic has led me many places. I have studied with the Monroe people, I have studied with Robert Bruce, and I have had insightful conversations with William Buhlman. They would all tell you the same thing,, no harm can come to your physical body during OBE. (maybe if you have a heart condition) Another thing that they will tell you is that there is an 'energy body' component to the experience. And that not all astral 'planes' require a body at all. And that the only fear is the fear that you bring with you...

It is all true, littlecloud. Keep up the good work.
Jake.

When I first came here I was in a panic so many things coming in at once. after going through all these life changes I am starting to see clearly now. Jake You wanted to know what kind of obes I am having. I will attempt to group them as best
as I can. First, As a kid growing up I was in a couple accidents. The first one me and my friends were drinking and decided to sit on top of the hood of a car. The driver was under aged and took off unexpectedly reaching the speeds of over 50 miles per hour, she lost control on loose gravel. I watched my friends be thrown from the hood of the car as I remained there. Time almost froze, I could think and see every detail as it unfolded, I am still haunted by this accident, This has happend several times more in my life but in different scenarios, where time just almost completely stopped. The experts say it has to do with high levels of adrenalin.

So for the highest level obe experiences I have had, this is what it feels like my heart races to who knows what( like being in that accident) then it seems as though time stops no vibrations no paralysis everything is the same around me except, This is where I first met both of my sons and both of my daughters prior to their births, I also met both of my guides here. Other then the sensation that time stopped everything else is the same.

The next level of obe that I have had is with vibrations or paralysis once they begin then the break away occurs, I am free but for how long, I am not solid but look like thickly dense particles I can pass through walls but feel them as I do. I can hear the dreams of my family members as I coast through the house. I can only maintain this for maybe 5 to 10 minutes then I am pulled back. Once I return I almost always go into astral projection. If you have vibrations then project this is not an obe it is just a astral dream this also occurs from time to time.

the next level of obe is simular to the last but things are changed they are not the way they appear all the time, these are weaker experiences. During these experiences I have met many things some dark and some not, I am an atheist and have dabbled in many things, probably bringing on some of the nastiest things you can imagine, I never met the old hag but she would have been a girl scout compared to the other things lurking out there. during my time in the military after paralysis set in four dark demons would always grab onto my arms and legs and literally yank me out, and there were always others.

next is just a good old fashion astral projection romp on some other planet, swim with unknown fish or ride a tornado or two. These are interactive three dimensional views you can feel the rush of falling or flying but it is only a high tech dream. People can touch you and you would feel it, I have only had one bad experience during this type dream.

after that Is the dream I have never had a black and white, my dreams are all in color I can talk to people that I have never met, go where ever I want but this dream is only two dimensional and sometimes in second person where I am more hovering and limited interaction.

Littlecloud I think as long as your intentions are good nothing will harm you. If you make your intentions known prior to trying you should have no problems.

[powessy]

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by powessy (here)

Posted by markpierre (here)
I think you missed me. I said EVERY TIME YOU SLEEP (lets qualify that to dream, remembered or not) you are astral projecting.
Consciousness doesn't sleep. It doesn't stop engaging with totality.
Lucid projection is useful to whomever it's useful to. If it's not useful, it probably wouldn't occur to you to try.
If it doesn't happen, it isn't necessary. I'd only like to point out that preoccupations with the astral are less useful than what's in your face right now. That's what you've been given to work with.
No one misses out on what their higher Selves want them to become aware of.
There aren't some who can and some who can't. There are some who get it one way,
and some who get it in others.

Ya it's a hoot to guide your own dreams. What's the point of it? I'm there to learn what I don't know,
not what I already do.

Mark I didn't miss you, I can see how you might come up with this but I think it is inaccurate. I don't believe that everyone out there is astral projecting during their sleep, there are only the one's that can and then there is everyone else.
at some point in a persons life they might have a astral projection but too many it frightens them, so they stick to black and white dreams and simple impressions. Your higher self is blind and unaware of anything, it shares your astral dreams of the things around you for interpretations of its surroundings the more you create the more it learns. Then on the other hand you poison yourself by eating unhealthy, create fear as this society instills in men and ignore the one thing that should be the highest on our list our Higher Self. So lets assume that tomorrow you were to die, and you are buried where is your higher self when this happens. Doe's he go on, or what? and what memories does he have of this life if you never opened yourself to him, (your higher self)? I also believe that once you die you must wait to be reborn and this process removes all previous memories of everything. you must be eternal for your soul to be eternal. Humans have not acquired this ability and at the rate of reverse evolution they will never see it. I have experimented and tried to teach this and obe to many people with little or no success, and years later after trying several other methods, they failed also, why is it that these people who wanted to astral project could not. Many people dream every night but astral project I don't agree with you here.

That's an odd view of what your 'Higher Self' is. That part of you hasn't left heaven. So what are you aware of about what happens during the 97% of your dreaming
that you're not aware of?

markpierre

first of all have you had an astral projection that is what this post is about not dreaming. let me explain how I see this through many years of observation and experience. I am first of all atheist and heaven means nothing to me. and secondly I dream nightly but there is more to sleep then just dreams like for example astral projection or obe. Now For me there is me, then there is what people on this forum call their higher self this is like a container that holds your life experiences. This higher self if not open to you or life will be shut off from all your experiences this is why many don't have these experience until they have had some traumatic experience that forces your higher self to fight or flight, the mysterious nde or a once in a life time obe. Many people say they have guides well a guide is just that a guide he or she shows you what is necessary for enlightenment or the emergence of the soul that fills this container. When My soul ascended into me He took all my memories and shuffled through them like a deck of cards it was more like a tornado of pictures this went on for a couple days. I can see him inside of me along with a 8 inch third eye given to me by a cat humanoid like figure. There are many web sites that will tell you what the body does during these other times like body maintenance in which it spends time to repair and regenerate tissue along with many other things. A typical person only gets between 1 and four hours of rem sleep a night you can visit this site http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders...s-10/sleep-101. I know what my mind is doing, do you know what yours is doing during this time.