What technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Norman are you trying to say that given FE devices powering manufacture lines we will clog our world with infinite quantity of things? Imo tendency to hoard more than you need in the moment, to save for the rainy day comes from the scarcity pov. It is induced by the fear of not enough for everybody. If FE brings enough for everybody everytime something is needed, the fear of "not enough" will disappear taking away the urge to hoard with itself.

In my part of the world some crazy/sick people have coined a twisted term: "curse of abundance" (Pol.: klęska urodzaju) It is used when the season is so good and the crops has grown so much there is not enough harvest and storage capacity (read not enough energy to do it) and the extra crops are left to rot

If there was no issue of energy for transport, storage, harvest and processing the surplus could be sent where people are starving. But if there was no energy issue there would not be starving people and crops could be better managed/preserved. I can't see the problem of "glut" as a result of introducing FE. Even if some people would overstock it would be shortliving tendency and will likely happen only during the transition phase to disappear completly when everyone gets "comfortable" with the paradigm shift.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

This thread is diverting towards the threat of Free Energy and that is the topic of a different discussion .

Let's steer this back on course and I'd have to give a nod to surplus crops being left to rut will be made obsolete in a Free Energy world.

[norman]

Hi Ille, where is the complementary thread that completes this discussion ?

I didn't mean crop gluts at all. I simply meant that FE is not the opposite of scarcity.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Norman,

This thread looks at what would dramatically change or become obsolete if Free Energy would be implemented properly.

Other related discussions are here:

- The threat of Free Energy - it's potential negative side: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...o-way-in-hell-
- A Future Earth - with imaginings on how it may look like once it's done: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...A-Future-Earth
- Transition plans from here to an Abundant society: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lans-for-Earth
(and other related threads you can find here)

You can of course create a new discussion if you have a different angle in mind, not covered above.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I'd like to state the purpose of this thread again:

The idea behind this thread is to explore our deeply backed beliefs about scarcity and abundance and the best way to do it is to look at how would our society change if we had Free Energy and with that true abundance for the first time in human history.

This is a very focused discussion indeed and there are many other threads dealing with Free Energy on Avalon, but not really from this perspective.

Since Free Energy is such a hot topic, there is usually a concerted effort to derail and hijack such discussions on the Internet. Wade Frazier is a member here and he is also a person who (to my knowledge) came very close to putting Free Energy on the market by helping Dennis Lee. Wade has found a safe heaven here on Avalon where he can have very focused, non hijacked discussions about Free Energy and its implications.

Because this is such an important issue and in honor of Wade's life experience around it, I tend to moderate the two threads (this and this) a bit more heavily to keep the conversation very very focused.

I understand that other people here have different point of views, but I ask them kindly to not hijack these two threads or try to take energy from them. They should instead start their own discussions and add challenging content from their point of view. However it is likely that Wade and other readers of these threads will not follow that particular discussion and that is fine. Perhaps others will. That is no reason to take away from the focus of this thread.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Thanks so much for trying to keep this thread on track.

I am honored that you feel that we were close to putting FE on the market, but it was not really all that close. Godzilla took us out before we had a chance; if you have any promise, he strangles you in your cradle. I’ll readily admit that the closest thing to “free” energy that has ever been on the market was Dennis’s Systems for Savings program for his heat pump:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#sfs

and how he tried to carpet Puget Sound with it in 1984-1985:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

I know of no greater effort to put alternative energy on the world market than that one.

In Ventura, we were definitely becoming threatening, which is why they took out us out so harshly, after offering Dennis a billion dollars to go away:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

Trying to marry the world’s best engine:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

with the world’s best heating system:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#new

was nothing to sneeze at, but if we could have done FE with that arrangement is still an open question for me (although some pretty high-powered scientists thought that we might be able to). We may never know. But the threat that we posed was far beyond some technology. Sparky Sweet lived nearby, and he had the FE goods:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sweet

and other working FE prototypes were in existence at the time and not yet suppressed to the point of disappearing into Godzilla's Golden Hoard, which I only discovered later, but I am sure that Dennis knew about some of it at the time. The real threat was somebody like Dennis coming along and piercing the veil by getting a stampede going. That was a very real threat, and Dennis has been that threat for more than thirty years. So, yes, I do not know of an effort that had more potential than ours did, but we were a ways from delivering FE. If we had been left alone, I have no doubt that we were probably only a few years from putting something on the market, maybe even a solid-state FE device, but we also found out how the energy racket’s immune system worked. Godzilla is only the apex predator. Dennis had to survive several years of being gnawed on by the lower-level predators, including the mob, before he attracted Godzilla’s attention. A Godzilla asset was used on Dennis in Seattle:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

but Seattle was more about the local energy interests protecting their turf.

We got Godzilla’s first friendly buyout offer in Boston less than a year after Dennis was run out of Washington:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#ten

and the next year, Godzilla added a couple of zeroes and showed his claw a little, before we really got the boom lowered on us.

Dennis should not have survived the prison they kangarooed him into:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post694872

but he has cheated death at least twenty times on his preposterous journey so far. He rode high again after he got out of prison, and Godzilla took the game to a new level:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#sting

and when Dennis recently put 100 MPG technology on the market, the USA’s sitting president and others brought out the big guns once again:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post694872

and Dennis will have to leave the USA if he mounts any more energy efforts.

So, Dennis was closer than anybody else ever was to cracking the code, but truly, I think that Godzilla had things well in hand. Dennis probably never really had a prayer, even with all the “divine intervention” that attended our journey. We were like a mouse going against an elephant. For me, however, I did my best to make lemonade out of lemons, and the learning experience I got could not be duplicated. I got to see how the world really worked and lived to tell about it. Not many have done that, and I feel driven to use my “blessings” and not have it all go to waste as just one more notch on Godzilla’s claw, with the result only being more dead and crippled FE martyrs littering the battlefield.

To keep this post in the spirit of this thread, I wrote over here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post770483

that capitalism will become obsolete with FE, but that has been stated on this thread before.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

The American Dream - Getting a Cashier job at Walmart

A few days ago I was discussing the idea of how some jobs would become obsolete in the future and one of these jobs would have to be the cashier job. And while I made the argument that such jobs could be automated (let alone become useless in a Free Energy world) I got back the following argument:

"There are many people that struggle for a job and for them the cashier job is the best thing that could happen... you know.. being employed, bringing in a steady income and staying off the streets".

That makes some sense, right? Well, not really, no.

This is a very good example just how conditioned and boxed in we have become. How can we dream of abundance when our highest dream is to land a job and be happy with it? This is such a limited way of looking at life.

As we have discussed previously, jobs would completely go way in a Free Energy world. Some people would still work, but for not for money but rather very different reasons. Who would chose to be a cashier given the choice to do anything s/he wishes in life?

Please note that I am really talking about the job and not the person behind the desk. I am talking about the inhumane treatment that those people get and how unnecessary it is. They are treated like machines unless they forget to smile at us or they make a mistake in which case: "I want to talk to your supervisor!". There is actually a store here in Romania where someone asks you on your way out if the staff has greeted you with a smile? What can you say to that? What value has a smile and a greeting if it's part of your job contract? How can you even come home after such a day's work and greet or smile at somebody?

If this post of mine would have been published in a widely read magazine, I would suspect it would upset quite a lot of people and they would retort back in defense of their hard earned job and money with corporate slogans and missions to "Saving people money so they can live better." If profit and money would not make sense any more, I wonder what Walmart's mission would be?

Even as I write this there is some cognitive dissonance in my head going on, buying stuff from a supermarket, having being trough corporate jobs where "the mission" was drilled into my head while profit was obviously (at least to me) the motivation and I will have to acknowledge that there are businesses in the world that seem to be really passionate about what they are doing, but even most of those would vanish in a Free Energy society. It seems everybody (including myself) has deeply baked in reasons to oppose Free Energy!

Of course that all this could be said about any job where money is the main motivator. I know that you need to learn to "love your job" and "be happy with your place in life" and "be grateful for the opportunity you have to work here with us", but the issue with that is that is perpetuates the "status quo". It blinds us from seeing the abyss we are at the edge of and it prevents us from imagining anything different. It also seems to me that is not genuine joy but rather a blanket over our eyes to take away some of the discomfort that we feel deep down. And it's of course an indoctrination system, because once you accept it as true you will fight for it to continue to exist.

There is a revolt inside me against what I just wrote, trying to build up arguments, bringing up "success stories", defending... but if I ask the question: what would I do, truly, in an society based on abundance, none of my "success stories" stand or make any kind of sense.

Since I've hammered so hard the cashier job, let's have a look at a more high paying job.

I like good tasting food and I wanted to see how master chefs go about making it. So I've decided to watch an episode from a show we have here called "Master Chef". Since it is a TV show it may not have anything to do with reality and I really hope that is the case because I was in for a shock.

The episode I watched was about preparing the food in a 5 star restaurant for an event hosted for a public figure: the girl of a TV star was celebrating her birth (she was just sleeping there, basically, but still).

This was very challenging because: "It has to be perfect... all the top people are coming here... with fine and refined taste expecting the best of the best" and the anchor went on an on about the high expectations of the glamorous people gathering at the event.

The show was then a back and forth between the kitchen and the dance hall. In the dance hall happy, top class people, partying and in the kitchen cursing, yelling angry chefs preparing the food. There was no technique showed (that was what I was looking for) only huge drama with a hierarchy of people yelling down at those under them and the last levels crying in corners. Of course the dish would be made spotlessly perfect and served to the happy people in the hall to be judged. Michael Road's shallow world came to mind. Is this what really happens in a 5 star kitchen? And if so why would anyone work there? For the money? For the fame? To rub shoulders with all the good people?

I've tried to imagine how would this look like in an Abundance base society. It probably would not happen. Assuming that there would still be some equivalent of a restaurant such glamorous events would not make sense. The hierarchical structure would also not exist, and I suspect that in any kind of "pressure" situation people would their best and pour their passion into their work without someone having to curse at them, yell orders and make them feel like crap. Actually all this 5 star thing would go away as you would have no reason to make something less than your best.

[Wade Frazier]

Man, Ilie:

That is just the tonic I needed this morning. Do you ever get it. That is exactly the kind of thinking that I was hoping that my work would help inspire, really going deep on scarcity and what it really means, how insidious it is, how like the air we breathe, that when you even begin to think about it, another part of your mind plays policeman to get you back in line!

Abundance is a very difficult concept for people mired in scarcity, and arguably unimaginable. One thing I regularly see by people who really don’t understand the concept is that FE by itself is not abundance, but it is the engine of abundance. Energy simply does everything. Energy is everything. And until the twentieth century, energy has been scarce, even in the seeming energy abundance of 100+ EROI for West Texas oil (and Godzilla is keeping energy artificially scarce by keeping FE at bay, as it would be game over for this dark path rule, and he knows it). It was still produced and processed under ruthless and greedy monopoly conditions, not to mention the devastation it has created, in many ways, and it certainly was not sustainable. You have probably seen the old movies where a West Texan or Oklahoman gusher was hit and everybody was coated in oil but grinning madly because they would be rich! Think about that. It would be like being coated in manure or some other unpleasant substance and grinning like a fool because it meant you could get “stuff” with it.

That dystopian Roads world that you mentioned:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672115

had everybody with drug-induced silly grins pasted to their faces (at least the “winners”), because then they would look like they were “winners.” Imagine the kind of system where that is presented as the ideal to aspire to. Shudder…

Yes, gourmet chefs that cater to the rich and powerful would go away. I stayed a couple of nights with a wealthy friend recently who is a gourmet cook. What meals those were. I never experienced its like in my life. I have had meals like that at high-end restaurants, but to have that in a friend’s home, who made it because she loved to… In a world of abundance, that would become the norm, not something that only the rich did. Her kitchen was pretty ultimate, but not really much beyond the one in my home, and it really did not take her all that much time, and she really loved doing it, with her chickens in her back yard. In that heavenly Roads world:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672748

people would not raise chickens for their eggs or meat, but the rest of that gourmet existence, for just the love and joy of it, would simply be normal. “Putting on the dog” for the rich and powerful would vanish.

Back to work.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Over the years I’ve read and heard variations on the idea that if you took all the world’s people you could fit every person comfortably into one country, with each having a plot of land big enough to sustain their needs etc. Obviously when ideas like that float around without comprehensive context there’s the risk of creating a false sense of security, in terms of understanding humanity’s growth and use of resources. I began wondering who had actually crunched the numbers relating to land mass and population.

I came across work by Tim De Chant, (Ph.D. in Environmental Science, Policy and Management from the University of California, Berkeley.)
Source : http://persquaremile.com/author/timdechant/

“...Shortly after I started Per Square Mile, I produced an infographic that showed how big a city would have to be to house the world’s 7 billion people. There was a wrinkle, though—the city’s limits changed drastically depending on which real city it was modeled after. If we all lived like New Yorkers, for example, 7 billion people could fit into Texas. If we lived like Houstonians, though, we’d occupy much of the conterminous United States...

What’s missing from it is the land that it takes to support such a city. In articles and comments about my infographic, some people overlooked that aspect—either mistakenly or intentionally. They shouldn’t have. Cities’ land requirements far outstrip their immediate physical footprints. They include everything from farmland to transportation networks to forests and open space that recharge fresh water sources like rivers and aquifers. And more. Just looking at a city’s geographic extents ignores its more important ecological footprint. How much land would we really need if everyone lived like New Yorkers versus Houstonians?

It turns out that question is maddeningly difficult to answer. While some cities track resource use, most don’t. Of those that do, methodologies vary city to city, making comparisons nearly impossible. Plus, cities in most developed nations still use a shocking amount of resources, regardless of whether they are as dense as New York or as sprawling as Houston. Any comparison of the cities in my original infographic would be an exercise in futility at this point.

But what we can do is compare different countries and how many resources their people—and their lifestyles—use. For countries, the differences are far, far greater than for cities. Plus, there’s a data set that allows for reliable comparisons—the National Footprint Account from the Global Footprint Network. Their methodology is based on peer-reviewed research by Mathias Wackernagel, the organization’s founder. It’s consistent and comprehensive. Each country’s footprint is assembled from sub-footprints, ranging from cropland to carbon to urbanization to fishing grounds. For my purposes, I used only terrestrial sub-footprints. I’ll let the results speak for themselves.”

Source : http://persquaremile.com/2012/08/08/...on-lived-like/

I’ve pasted Tim's infographics below (they’re also viewable at the source linked above.)

They’re interesting to look at.


Whether some land is currently uninhabitable / unusable becomes debatable when we consider how many technologies are suppressed - and some more openly acknowledged technologies for and methods of (for example) greening desert areas may be hampered because of political agendas / vested interests.

But genuine free energy technology could be leagues in advance of what existing tech could do, advancing our recycling, whilst facilitating the mining of asteroids for metals and the relocation of homes and farming off-planet - Then the creeping vision of our gradually inhabiting / farming every last inch of land available could be made redundant. The fear could be obsolete. Especially when renewable energy resources could make poverty obsolete, helping stabilise the population.

There is of course the fact that the ecosystems of forests which have been cleared for wood products, farming, mining, dam building etc, cannot be replaced simply by greening a desert area. Even if you don’t subscribe to the idea (which I personally do) that those ecosystems contribute to the spiritual health of our planet, there’s the fact that they cleanse and contribute to the air we breathe, are living libraries of diversity, as well as an evolving store of cures and nourishment. They are the rightful habitat of countless living species long-adapted to the balance of the environment.

(Sometimes I like to imagine having a little free-energy pod. Then I can go gliding over the ancient rainforests, silently, and absorb them as they breathe below. Vast and pristine and glistening with life.)


Here are Tim’s infographics on land and population :

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Melinda:

Yes, the entire idea of an ecological footprint, or carbon footprint, etc., goes away with the implementation of FE, antigravity, and other technologies that I know are under wraps:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

Not only could we mine asteroids for all of our metals, but we can mine the atmospheres of the gas giants (or the Oort cloud) for the lighter elements, such as hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, and the like, and creating space colonies that look like Utopia, or cities floating on the oceans, or underwater, floating in the air, etc., becomes child’s play. The nuclear family will likely disappear with the advent of FE. The people in this world likely do not have nuclear families, as such:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672748

and I am sure that if any parent today could take a one-day tour of that reality, they would realize that it is infinitely better than our current system is for raising children. But let’s say that in the transitional times some families want to be nuclear. With the technologies that I am aware of existing today, what kind of “footprint” would a family of four have? Because nobody would have to be tied to any particular location, I think that having a rooted home on land will be seen as quaint and primitive, and maybe even dangerous, but if a family wanted to, the house could be ten thousand square feet, ranch style, a veritable mansion, and everything needed to run the home would be in a level below it. A five thousand square foot “footprint” in the basement would likely provide all the family's food needs, and another section held the water (the top floor would likely also have a pool, at whatever temperature was desired). The entire thing could be self-contained, so most people would just take them along. But that is just one way to look at it, and the example was more to show how small the footprint could become.

In that heavenly civilization account linked to above, it seemed like food was raised communally, but automated, so that it probably did not even take much out of one person’s life to raise and distribute all of the food to the community. With that kind of mind-boggling abundance, the idea of possessing food, arable land, and the like I am sure would quickly become obsolete, in the same dustbin where slavery, war, and subjugation of women was deposited.

And in that world, the idea of a footprint, meaning that all other species were excluded or subjugated in the footprint for human welfare, also became an obsolete concept. The close partnership with nature was highly evident in the glimpse that Roads saw. Again, I know people who have taken similar trips, so I don’t regard Roads’s account as fantasy, particularly when I know that the technology to help humanity move in that direction is on the planet today.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Found another thing that will become obsolete with the advent of Free Energy


Source: Watch on Vimeo



The sooner the better!!

It's crazy to know that people do not have drinking water in a world where the technology exists to make all this gone over night!

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you, Ilie, That was very touching!

The sooner the better!!

Amen ~

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Oh yes, clean water will be abundant for all. But World Vision!? They may be a CIA front. Both of the USA’s major political assassination attempts in 1980-1981 were by World Vision employees.

Heck, the son of World Vision’s president (and good friend of the Bush family) was involved in the Reagan shooting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley#Early_life

and John Lennon’s assassin also worked there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Da...nal_background

So, I’ll also agree that FE will mean the end of fake aid organizations, from Mother Teresa to the Peace Corps to USAID to the World Bank to the IMF to “missionary” organizations such as World Vision.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Yes, I did not make the post to promote World Vision, but to make them obsolete all together

[Melinda]

Recently I’ve been contemplating the idea of a world without money. To what extent will our current idea of trade become obsolete?

Thinking about this more and more I’ve been picturing a world where ‘trade’ itself plays a totally different role to the way we see it now. In a world of true abundance you don’t have to worry about what you’ll get in return for your efforts (or material productivity), you give for the joy, from instinct, free-flowing in a way that allows the old to slip away and new creations manifest.

A world without the psychological limbo, energetically tied, waiting around to be reimbursed – or holding back until it’s safe to give.

You just give... and be free

It reminded me of a scene in The Celestine Prophecy. I haven’t read the book, and I don’t regard the film as a film-making masterpiece in an aesthetic, intellectual sense. I also don’t really feel the need to engage whether or not it’s a literal account of actual events, in order to appreciate its truth. But I love how this scene gives a visual to something I’ve tried explaining to people over the years. I’ve only seen enough energy to be wonderfully mystified in a way that deepens my sense of connection to life and to beauty. I don’t ‘read’ people that way. Actually, I don’t even think the film does visual justice to how gloriously rich and vibrant energy fields can appear to our perceptions. But this scene in particular effectively, simply describes how the traditional idea of trade is dwarfed compared to the creative potential when parties give freely from one another, from the heart rather than the head. Rather than need meeting need for an equal, closed exchange, we can function in a way that generates more of the energy as we share. Amplify the intent. The resonance.

I’ve isolated the short segment that appealed the most, from 2minutes 11 seconds in, at this link :

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lN7Fd...utu.be&t=2m11s

But the whole scene is relevant

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lN7FdI-ejeQ

We all know that in a world of scarcity, it is hard to trust – and when it is hard to trust, it can become hard to give, which can then create blockages within us. And blocked energy can drain us. That’s why I find grounding in nature so key - which reminds me of this lovely quote from David Abram. I don’t know much about him. But I’ve enjoyed listening to some of what he has to say. I think he says it beautifully.

“How monotonous our speaking becomes when we speak only to ourselves! And how insulting to the other beings – to foraging black bears and twisted old cypresses – that no longer sense us talking to them, but only about them, as though they were not present in our world…Small wonder that rivers and forests no longer compel our focus or our fierce devotion. For we walk about such entities only behind their backs, as though they were not participant in our lives. Yet if we no longer call out to the moon slipping between the clouds, or whisper to the spider setting the silken struts of her web, well, then the numerous powers of this world will no longer address us – and if they still try, we will not likely hear them.”

― David Abram, from the book Becoming Animal: An Earthly Cosmology

Grounding in nature is also, I find, truly key in contemplating the free energy subject in a technological context. It reminds me, always, that the pursuit of energy solutions is not so that we can run away from what grounds us and connects us – by mindlessly fueling a domed, robot haven, to levitate on hovering comforts, glued to ever speedier computers. Energy solutions are our opportunity to mend the damage we have done to the environment, during our growth. To simplify our technological infrastructure, so our time, our gaze and our own energy can be applied to more creative adventures and spiritual endeavours. That’s what I picture awaiting us. If we can imagine it.

I’d like to see us heal life with technology – rather than encourage our own to diminish, in the name of conservation.

[Melinda]

I remember hearing author Neil Kramer say a few words about free energy in interview. I often enjoy Neil’s thoughts. He seems a tidy thinker.

In a Red Ice Creations interview he said :

“The power that we need from the sun is total, it would run everything, period, here. A very crude method, if we want to be cleverer, we can use of course this zero-point field, we can use this faculty that energy has when it flips from one dimensional realm shall we say to another to generate energy; so energy is free, and bountiful, and abundant, and that is solved.”

His comment had me contemplate the elegance of energy systems. The philosophy and the physics. I love the idea of us getting all the energy we need from what is known to be freely available. No clawing necessary for what the sun freely gives. But then - if you described a solar panel to someone who had no understanding of the technology, they might think your explanation meant you were somehow sapping energy from the sun, rather than absorbing what flowed through naturally. Like the flowers receive the rain falling from the sky. They don’t tug thirstily at the clouds in a disconnected drain. It is all part of a cycle of energy. But if the person you were trying to explain solar tech to was from an ancient, superstitious culture, they might even think you were upsetting the sun with your panels, sucking out the light from their heavenly orb. If there is a spiritual danger of our sapping the sun with solar technology, then that would be down to our collective internal state, not the solar panel. We do not fear solar panels, because we feel we understand them. So equally, perhaps fewer and fewer of us will fear accessing the zero point field as understanding of it spreads. Perhaps, as with solar panels, we will understand that it is a way of receiving what is freely given – not by the sun in isolation, but more broadly by the universe. If that comes to pass then the idea of solar panels as a safer, better option could be considered obsolete.

This is a quote from Floyd Sweet :

“The vacuum itself is literally popping with virtual particles that appear and disappear in the field during instants too brief to be measured. Virtual particles with lifetimes or dwelltimes too short for the name "particles" to be appropriate. As a result the generated fields are always in some state of flux. However, under the influence of a generated Motional Electromagnetic field parts of the normally chaotic virtual field break off from randomness and form a more coherent region. This region consists of a structured portion of the spacetime continuum which by its very nature seems to attract more virtual particles (This increase in particle density has been verified by lab experiments conducted the week of June 19, 1988). This higher concentration of particles develops a warping of the spacetime continuum where negative energy is produced in abundance. The existence of this condition via direct engineering of the virtual state allows for the safe generation of electrical energy.... [...] ...Although all of this seems nearly unbelievable, only what has been demonstrated in the laboratory has been described in this paper. The source of energy is unlimited, the virtual vacuum of space itself structured by a motional electromagnetic field is the powerhouse.”
http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet/1nothing.htm#nothing

Reading the above, at first it made me wonder what the particles were doing prior to being stabilised. Were they involved in relationships elsewhere? By generating a Motional Electromagnetic field to stabilise and utilise them, are we abusing some natural order, scooping the goods from another realm beneath a cloak of ignorance? But then I think of Tom Bearden’s words :

“There are many ways to extract energy from the seething vacuum. Unfortunately, at present our scientific community takes a bizarre stance. In particle physics it is well known that the active vacuum is incredibly energetic. Calculations by leading physicists such as Wheeler show that a cubic centimeter of vacuum (about the tip of one's little finger in volume) has so much raw energy in it that, if condensed into matter, there would be more matter than is observable in the universe through the largest telescope! So even a tiny efficiency of tapping could and will extract all the energy anyone could wish.”
http://www.cheniere.org/references/e...tyofvacuum.htm

I think of energy systems we can see. How the trees that exhale the oxygen we breathe are replenished by the carbon dioxide we exhale. How the rain that pours into the land and soils is channelled over-ground or absorbed by the earth, whose springs feed rivers and seas that evaporate forming rain clouds. The energy flows in cycles. Then I think of how amazing it is that as we are seeing the extreme problems with burning fuels, new ideas begin to flow – bringing first solar power and now advanced energy systems that reach beyond it. Consciousness has found a way. Perhaps consciousness dreams of us navigating the stars, and that is why we are being shown a broader technology, beyond our solar notions. A universal technology for universal travels.

If we can master this tech, safely and benignly, it flows on that we could abandon the use of energy for excessive physical creation and wastefulness – as our lives will have reduced in stress and forced labour, freeing us to pursue higher realms of perception, accessing greater sustenance and creative potential with the energy from our hearts and spirit’s ability.

I think the point about using energy systems to make wastefulness obsolete, and consequently cultivate our spiritual abilities, is what's been promoted here all along.

Most of this has probably been said already. I just love seeing new ways of saying it.

It’s fun.

Again it comes down to our culture, and our personal states of awareness. Currently we have a mainstream culture where we are distanced from understanding where our energy comes from, and separate from the technological aspects of its generation. A culture that (apparently) allows for this to take place:

Canadian aborted babies incinerated in Oregon waste-to-energy facility to provide electricity:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/canadian...lity-to-p.html

The sooner that becomes obsolete, the better.

[Ilie Pandia]

As discussed previously, one of the things that will be left behind in a Free Energy world is the "profit" idea. And that is a hard one to get, especially for those that call themselves "capitalists" or still believe that the "free market" and competition will bring the best of the best out in the public. We are yet to see true abundance and how cooperation (instead of competition) works on this planet.

Today I've just read an article that some (80%) of the Romanian bakers use ashes and caramel to color bread so they have dark bread . The reasoning is simple: dark bread is touted as a health food (as opposed to the white one). So what's the capitalist solution? Color the white bread, fake the labeling and sell it at double the price. A nice way to quickly round some profits!

Two things we can learn from here:

1) personal integrity is really scarce - someone there knows that the bread is not healthy (maybe not the label guy!) and still chooses to sell it like that.

2) with Free Energy the very basic motivation behind such practice will go away. This is pretty important, because it does not mean tither controls, higher fines, more labeling, more arrests and so on. No. It will simply stop making sense to engage in such activities any more, because there is no longer any money in it.

We've managed to abolish slavery, accept that women have a soul, and drop whaling... so perhaps there is hope for us still .

[Melinda]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
...We've managed to abolish slavery, accept that women have a soul, and drop whaling... so perhaps there is hope for us still .

Thanks Ilie

Made me smile

[risveglio]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
As discussed previously, one of the things that will be left behind in a Free Energy world is the "profit" idea. And that is a hard one to get, especially for those that call themselves "capitalists" or still believe that the "free market" and competition will bring the best of the best out in the public. We are yet to see true abundance and how cooperation (instead of competition) works on this planet.

Today I've just read an article that some (80%) of the Romanian bakers use ashes and caramel to color bread so they have dark bread . The reasoning is simple: dark bread is touted as a health food (as opposed to the white one). So what's the capitalist solution? Color the white bread, fake the labeling and sell it at double the price. A nice way to quickly round some profits!

Two things we can learn from here:

1) personal integrity is really scarce - someone there knows that the bread is not healthy (maybe not the label guy!) and still chooses to sell it like that.

2) with Free Energy the very basic motivation behind such practice will go away. This is pretty important, because it does not mean tither controls, higher fines, more labeling, more arrests and so on. No. It will simply stop making sense to engage in such activities any more, because there is no longer any money in it.

We've managed to abolish slavery, accept that women have a soul, and drop whaling... so perhaps there is hope for us still .

I like this post but this is quite the distorted view of the fantasy of having a free market system. I dream of the day we have a free market system just as we all dream of a day of free energy. I don't understand how having free energy gets rid of the need for trade. A free market capitalistic system, like that could ever happen with human greed and thirst for power, is the best way we have come up with so far to keep things "fair".

Personal integrity is real scarce but the free market system probably has the best solution other than brainwashing all of mankind to just think like good little sheep. If a free market system was to exist, you would probably get real standards and regulations that don't involve extorting money by force from people that can't even eat bread. A good example is the toaster and the recent "fumble" by an American politician.

The next thing we really need to figure out is how to abolish group think.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Risveglio, there will never be such thing as "free market". Because of lack of integrity of the participants of "the market" there is tendency to centralize the influence and cut the wings of the competition. And "naturally" supress any technology that would upset the state of matter. I would rather call it "willfull" than free. When you supply the market goers with integrity, they stop abuseing each other and FEenters the market the next day. On the second day market goers will realize there is no more reason to trade when energy access is in abundance

The reason for trade is scarcity, right? Wrong? Then what?!

As for the group think, what exactly do you mean by this term?