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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

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    Aiaiaiaiaiaiai, I don't have issues with people smoking a RESPONSIBLE recreational joint once every so often, but there is a real danger in pacifying people this way by a nations government and it works better than fluoride.
    Oh, come on....this is really a mischaracterization of marijuana, in my experience. It actually seems to aid in people deprogramming themselves in most cases, unless they are combining it with booze and pills. I know a lot of stoners, and most of them are generally pretty awake compared to the larger population. If it was anything comparable to fluoride, like you say, pot would be in every convenience store across the land. But instead, it's a long slow struggle to legalize something that never should have been made illegal in the first place.

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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

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    Aiaiaiaiaiaiai, I don't have issues with people smoking a RESPONSIBLE recreational joint once every so often, but there is a real danger in pacifying people this way by a nations government and it works better than fluoride.
    Oh, come on....this is really a mischaracterization of marijuana, in my experience. It actually seems to aid in people deprogramming themselves in most cases, unless they are combining it with booze and pills. I know a lot of stoners, and most of them are generally pretty awake compared to the larger population. If it was anything comparable to fluoride, like you say, pot would be in every convenience store across the land. But instead, it's a long slow struggle to legalize something that never should have been made illegal in the first place.
    I totally agree with you.

    The way I see it, marijuana users are much more prone to engage in political and social causes than non-users...Much more.

    In fact, I don't know any long term marijuana user who is not aware of the current most important political or social issues.

    Being pacific has nothing to do with being a conformist.

    Raf.

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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

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    Quote Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
    Aiaiaiaiaiaiai, I don't have issues with people smoking a RESPONSIBLE recreational joint once every so often, but there is a real danger in pacifying people this way by a nations government and it works better than fluoride.
    Oh, come on....this is really a mischaracterization of marijuana, in my experience. It actually seems to aid in people deprogramming themselves in most cases, unless they are combining it with booze and pills. I know a lot of stoners, and most of them are generally pretty awake compared to the larger population. If it was anything comparable to fluoride, like you say, pot would be in every convenience store across the land. But instead, it's a long slow struggle to legalize something that never should have been made illegal in the first place.
    Hi, somehow I get the impression you perceive as some sort of tight@ss, I am not, I smoked weed for 24 years ( and then some) and the part that totally bummed me out about A LOT of pot smokers was their fake activism and lazy non conformist attitudes, complaining, being high and blame problems on everyone but themselves, the world sucks, politicians suck, things should change and most just stayed like that, and those attitudes have nothing to to with being awake and or aware, 9 out 10 times it was just acting out, agreed with the 'should not be illegal in the first place', its a frikkin plant and does what it is supposed to, grow, that doesn't mean I applaud people being stoned when and where ever they please to do so, and I certainly will not encourage it, AT ALL, besides SOME positive effects like the medicinal and industrial uses are excellent properties of the plant, even smoking it IF you grew it YOURSELF and do so with your head straight on you shoulders doesn't bother me, government should be involved in the turning around the perceptions of this plant, it also has a responsibility to have a moderate stance on the recreational use of it, its not all peachy imo, and frankly I don't understand why the cons are hardly discussed, did the fact that we are being doped from every direction by alcohol, medication, chemicals, tv, politicians and drugs pass you by?

    Fresh minds is what we need most, stoned if fine but theres nothing wrong with growing up either.

    I have no issues with responsible adults having a bit of fun, the second their fun is starting to influence my life in a negative way, I want to state that observation, as long as we live in a society that is organized as it is today it means I am the one that has to pay for the mess by others and I have only so much energy to spend, to many times I have seen people become passive, this is not all nice peacefull and peachy, get used to it.
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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

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    The way I see it, marijuana users are much more prone to engage in political and social causes than non-users...Much more.

    In fact, I don't know any long term marijuana user who is not aware of the current most important political or social issues.
    You hit the nail on the head with that comment. For the 10 years that I did smoke marijuana, I was always engaging all my friends in political and religious discussions. Though I know at the time they were not on my level of understanding and comprehension, to this day - without marijuana of course, I still engage anyone who will give me the time of day in these types of conversations.

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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

    here's the question that i raise when heard legalise Marijuana....

    is it legal to grow at home or only Businesses able to grow Marijuana?
    is the seed or Marijuana pure? or have been modify?

    i prefer grow my own plant with pure natural seed...if only business then pretty much making money profiteering for them.

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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

    Quote is the seed or Marijuana pure? or have been modify?
    Best questions on the thread, what is pure, you can bet your @ss when government / big business gets involved for the tax revenue it will be manipulated and altered, most weed sold today is a mix of different strains, no problem so far, its just cross pollinating, you can get a better plant or a plant with different properties with a different high, just playtime, what you don't want is a company like for example Monsanto involved in this because they will not stop at just cross pollinating for fun.

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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

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    Best questions on the thread, what is pure, you can bet your @ss when government / big business gets involved for the tax revenue it will be manipulated and altered, most weed sold today is a mix of different strains, no problem so far, its just cross pollinating, you can get a better plant or a plant with different properties with a different high, just playtime, what you don't want is a company like for example Monsanto involved in this because they will not stop at just cross pollinating for fun.
    that's what i'm afraid off...you can grow at home but the Seed might be altered with such things like GMO/Monsanto(what ever you want to labelled it) and sell it on the market.

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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

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    Best questions on the thread, what is pure, you can bet your @ss when government / big business gets involved for the tax revenue it will be manipulated and altered, most weed sold today is a mix of different strains, no problem so far, its just cross pollinating, you can get a better plant or a plant with different properties with a different high, just playtime, what you don't want is a company like for example Monsanto involved in this because they will not stop at just cross pollinating for fun.
    that's what i'm afraid off...you can grow at home but the Seed might be altered with such things like GMO/Monsanto(what ever you want to labelled it) and sell it on the market.
    You don't need to worry about that.

    There are literally thousands of different kinds of seeds out there. There are huge global internet communities exclusively dedicated to exchanging different seeds with different properties.

    The Cannabis is one of the most diversified plants in the whole world...

    So, it's literally impossible to monopolize the seed market.

    Besides, the Cannabis is an extremely resistant plant; It doesn't need agrotoxics at all, so there's absolutely no reason for Monsanto to get involved with it. Monsanto is not in the GMO business primarily; Their GMO products are just a consequence and a byproduct of their main business, which is agrotoxics and pesticides.
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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

    For the past couple years when these threads come up about legalizing cannabis and medical marijuana I just shake my head, that up until now (that I know of) with the posts from a couple above no one has brought the reality up that . . . . . .

    Marijuana/cannabis has been genetically modified for years. The pot consumed today is thoroughly GMO and every strain of cannabis in the ‘medical marijuana’ industry is genetically modified or altered in some way.

    I am all for legalized cannabis and hemp if it is the medicinal herb and natural product before all the hybridization and genetic modification.
    But lets face it folks . . . . how many of you out there that smoke marijuana actually smoke the good ‘ole original heirloom or standard variety of hemp/cannabis?

    I have grown a lot of pot and the plants I grow (from standard seed) look nothing like the pot grown by the majority today.

    This step of legalizing genetically mutated cannabis is simply another step toward a One World Government and utter control of every aspect of society.

    I also am always amazed that most try to refute the residual affect of smoking pot which is primarily a calming or pacifying of the central nervous system. It makes one much more controllable . . . . especially if the constituent (chemical part) in the gmo pot is enhanced.

    The article below was written in 2011 and is very basic info on the subject (gmo pot) Just google gmo cannabis and see how deep this goes.

    Quote This past week yielded some exciting news in the field of “Cannabis science” with the announcement that the Cannabis Sativa genome (DNA) has been sequenced. Every organism, Cannabis and Human included, has a genome that contains all of the biological information needed to build and maintain a living example of that organism. Therefore, the sequencing of the Cannabis genome is significant in the research and better understanding of the Cannabis plant, but it will also allow scientists to grow genetically modified cannabis.
    The raw sequence was posted on Amazon’s EC2 public cloud computing service by a start-up company called Medicinal Genomics, which aims to explore the genomes of therapeutic plants. According Medicinal Genomics founder, Kevin McKernan, one of the main reasons the company published the data publicly was due to anti-marijuana laws in most countries.
    Most current research into Cannabis and cancer has been done on the two most commonly known compounds, THC and CBD. However, KcKernan hopes that the genome will allow scientists to explore other cannabis compounds for potential medical benefit, as well as starting a breeding program to create new, genetically modified, Cannabis strains.
    Good intentions aside, the medical marijuana business is huge and is growing by over 50% a year. There is big money to be made, especially if pharmaceutical Cannabis products or genetically modified cannabis strains are the only legal form of the drug.
    “It’s going to have to be a fairly regulated market,” McKernan says, “and regulation is going to come through genetics and fingerprinting of which strains are approved.”
    “It may be possible through genome directed breeding to attenuate the psychoactive effects of cannabis, while enhancing the medicinal aspects.”
    Taking the “marijuana” out of marijuana, whilst still retaining it’s medicinal qualities, might just be the thing that swings full-blown support for medical cannabis. Although, this is highly unlikely as the main compounds responsible for making us high and relaxed (THC and CBD) are the ones with all the medicinal qualities, as is the case with the legal cannabis based pharmaceutical drug, Sativex [read more]. But that’s not to say more compounds with medicinal qualities wont be identified.
    Unlocking the Cannabis plant’s genetic code gives way to an array of possibilities, as well as a lot of potential money, but it’s all tied up in the medical field. For us as users and patients, we can be happy that this research will potentially help those living with diseases like cancer and glaucoma. On the flip side, however, “cannabis genetics” could lead to stricter regulations and controls when it comes to medical marijuana, therefore keeping it out of the hands of those patients who can’t afford to pay the exorbitant price-tags on patented medication, but need it none the less. After all, it’s just a plant
    .

    http://www.belowthelion.co.za/geneti...ical-cannabis/


    If you smoke pot then I would suggest you grow and use the original standard truly natural Cannabaceae, sativa.
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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

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    Quote Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
    Best questions on the thread, what is pure, you can bet your @ss when government / big business gets involved for the tax revenue it will be manipulated and altered, most weed sold today is a mix of different strains, no problem so far, its just cross pollinating, you can get a better plant or a plant with different properties with a different high, just playtime, what you don't want is a company like for example Monsanto involved in this because they will not stop at just cross pollinating for fun.
    that's what i'm afraid off...you can grow at home but the Seed might be altered with such things like GMO/Monsanto(what ever you want to labelled it) and sell it on the market.
    You don't need to worry about that.

    There are literally thousands of different kinds of seeds out there. There are huge global internet communities exclusively dedicated to exchanging different seeds with different properties.

    The Cannabis is one of the most diversified plants in the whole world...

    So, it's literally impossible to monopolize the seed market.

    Besides, the Cannabis is an extremely resistant plant; It doesn't need agrotoxics at all, so there's absolutely no reason for Monsanto to get involved with it. Monsanto is not in the GMO business primarily; Their GMO products are just a consequence and a byproduct of their main business, which is agrotoxics and pesticides.

    Wow Raf . . . you usually make really educated posts but I will have to call this post of yours absolute . . . .

    Just saying . . . . .

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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

    No, marijuana is not GMO. That is an incorrect statement. You need to understand what GMO is, and what is ISN'T.

    The cannabis plant easily and readily cross-pollinates and naturally produces sub-varieties. That is why growers now do not start with seeds, but rather start with cuttings (I think somewhat incorrectly called "clones") from one plant - then all of the new plants are genetically "identical" to the mother plant. It would not be at all impossible to genetically modify, but the plant's natural proclivity to produce sub-varieties would mean that as generations of the seeds are grown, the plants would be less and less like MonSatan's franken-weed. It's probably why they have not bothered...yet.

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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

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    Wow Raf . . . you usually make really educated posts but I will have to call this post of yours absolute . . . .

    Just saying . . . . .
    As Dennis said above, there's a big difference between GMO and simple cross-pollination, which is a natural process (you just take the pollen from a male plant and use it to pollinate a female plant from a different strain).

    Besides, in places like India, it's possible to find marijuana strains that haven't been altered for thousands of years.

    So, my friend, I'm not really the only saying BS here.

    You're totally; utterly wrong, blufire.

    As for marijuana making people peaceful, yes, it's a pacifying plant. However, as I said before, there's a big difference between being pacific and conformist.

    Honestly, I'm yet to meet a conformist marijuana user. Everyone I know who enjoys smoking pot is much more awake and aware than the general population.
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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

    lol . . . . okay guys

    I guess my 30 years of intense organic farming and growing and saving my own seed and hybridizing my own plants has absolutely no merit here

    Growing that also includes pot.

    Let alone my years of research into GMO’s

    Geez, what’s a girl to think here?


    To think that ‘they’ haven’t been on top of this for years and manipulating every aspect is very naïve . . . . in my little ‘ole opinion.

    Grow your own . . . just like we should be growing our own food . . . IF you want to make sure of what you are consuming


    For me, this thread goes hand in hand with this thread . . . no difference really

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ion-of-bitcoin
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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

    Quote Posted by RMorgan (here)
    Jack,

    You're so wrong this time, mate.

    Mujica is probably the only honest president in the whole world by now.

    He donates 90% of his salary to charity, lives in the same humble ranch he's been living for decades, rides an old VW Beetle...The man is a true hero.

    Anyway, I'm not sure if you, living up there in the UK, know about what the so called "war on drugs" has been doing to South America....I guess you have no idea....

    Our governments spend billions every year on this war, while this money could be invested in education, hospitals and other public services....It's ridiculous.

    You don't know about the level of violence down here...Violence that's mostly caused by this insane war...You have no idea...Do you think you know violence? Hahahaha...Come live here in South America for a while, brother.

    The only way to end this war is by legalizing drugs. Period.

    Mujica did the right thing. By legalizing Marijuana, the illegal drug business will lose a huge part of their profit source. The govern will be able to use the money previously used in this war for much better purposes.

    Five or ten years from now, I'm 100% sure that we all will be contemplating a very successful story here.

    Anyway, marijuana was never supposed to be illegal in the first place...It was made illegal mostly because hemp was a true menace to several competing industries back them, like the cotton and paper industry.

    You're doing exactly what "they" want you to do, Jack...The elite is scared ****less about Uruguay...They earn hundreds of billions from the illegal drug business every year...Uruguay is giving headaches to some very powerful people right now; You can be 100% sure about that.

    Raf.
    Out of context there Raf...

    My real question as stated in my OP...

    Quote Bit stumped on this one, as to the reason Why? Soros & Rockefeller are involved...?
    My comments weren't aimed at Mujica in any way shape or form...

    However, I enjoyed your history lesson though...

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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

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    Jack,

    You're so wrong this time, mate.

    Mujica is probably the only honest president in the whole world by now.

    He donates 90% of his salary to charity, lives in the same humble ranch he's been living for decades, rides an old VW Beetle...The man is a true hero.

    Anyway, I'm not sure if you, living up there in the UK, know about what the so called "war on drugs" has been doing to South America....I guess you have no idea....

    Our governments spend billions every year on this war, while this money could be invested in education, hospitals and other public services....It's ridiculous.

    You don't know about the level of violence down here...Violence that's mostly caused by this insane war...You have no idea...Do you think you know violence? Hahahaha...Come live here in South America for a while, brother.

    The only way to end this war is by legalizing drugs. Period.

    Mujica did the right thing. By legalizing Marijuana, the illegal drug business will lose a huge part of their profit source. The govern will be able to use the money previously used in this war for much better purposes.

    Five or ten years from now, I'm 100% sure that we all will be contemplating a very successful story here.

    Anyway, marijuana was never supposed to be illegal in the first place...It was made illegal mostly because hemp was a true menace to several competing industries back them, like the cotton and paper industry.

    You're doing exactly what "they" want you to do, Jack...The elite is scared ****less about Uruguay...They earn hundreds of billions from the illegal drug business every year...Uruguay is giving headaches to some very powerful people right now; You can be 100% sure about that.

    Raf.
    I agree with you, Raf. Jackovesk, The meeting you cite between Soros and Rockefeller with Mujica seems less to me about them advocating for this, but more about them trying to minimize their losses by seeing if they an get something out of it. That's how these people work, in my opinion. It's not just a matter of them pushing a particular agenda (though they do), but by making sure that whatever happens, whether they wanted it or not, somehow manages to work in their favor. I see this legalization as a good thing for the most part, and I hope they are the first of many to legalize.
    The other thing is that those who attempt to interject their systems of control, to inject the levers and methods they employ..those people MUST come to 'enjoin' with the person or group that is causing them (or their controlling groups they are involved with) grief.

    The wolf must near the sheep. Must. Otherwise their job cannot be completed. Be it peacetime or war, open conflict or hidden, direct connection of a sort, must be made.

    For example, go and read wade's Opus thread over in the priority thread section. It's some form of getting inside the envelope of the real running of the situation, and the minds of the people involved, in Uruguay.

    This is reconnaissance, involvement, infiltration, information gathering, and so on. doors open for people like Soros, so he was sent. Sent by himself and those whom he is involved with.

    In that way, people like Soros, and those he disseminates his direct experience of the Uruguay situation to... can then respond remotely, they can plan and execute remotely, due to first hand knowledge of the situation and people in Uruguay.
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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    Bit stumped on this one, as to the reason Why? Soros & Rockefeller are involved...?
    Why?

    It's a brand new market, with potential for generating billions.

    Soros, Rockefeller and any other interested part can earn a lot of money with this.

    Uruguay is a developing country; It could really use some more foreign investment right now.

    Mujica is not stupid; This measure will generate and liberate a lot of money from all fronts:

    a) Foreign companies will invest in commercial marijuana and hemp. Marijuana is a very lucrative plant; It's very cheap to cultivate, which generates pretty good profit margins.
    b) The money previously spent with the war on drugs will be liberated for more important uses.
    c) The govern will also earn a lot of money by taxing the now legal marijuana.
    d) A lot of money will be generated through marijuana tourism.

    Mujica is the president of a developing country; It's simply natural that he's trying to attract foreign investment for his country by meeting high level business men. This is part of his duties.

    You know, sometimes it's hard to understand conspiracy theorists...This is one of those cases...First they claim that there's a huge conspiracy behind the prohibition of marijuana, now they are complaining that there's another huge conspiracy behind the legalization of marijuana...Eventually, they'll have to make up their minds about this issue.

    In my opinion, Uruguay is on the right path. Besides being a very soft recreational drug, marijuana has a lot of medical potential and hemp itself is the best natural fiber available by far...It's a great plant and it doesn't make any sense to prohibit it in the first place.

    Raf.
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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

    Quote Posted by blufire (here)
    The article below was written in 2011 and is very basic info on the subject (gmo pot) Just google gmo cannabis and see how deep this goes.

    Quote This past week yielded some exciting news in the field of “Cannabis science” with the announcement that the Cannabis Sativa genome (DNA) has been sequenced. Every organism, Cannabis and Human included, has a genome that contains all of the biological information needed to build and maintain a living example of that organism. Therefore, the sequencing of the Cannabis genome is significant in the research and better understanding of the Cannabis plant, but it will also allow scientists to grow genetically modified cannabis.
    ...
    {snip} read the full quote at bluefire's post above
    I'd defer to a geneticist on this, but when it was announced that the human genome had been sequenced, was that the genome of a particular individual (to whom we are all related), or to a specific "race" or "sub-variety" of human, or to all of humanity? Extrapolating, is the genome mapping of cannabis sativa a general map of all cannabis (including cannabis sativa, cannabis indica, and cannabis ruderalis...and all sub-types) or just one plant?

    Secondarily, what does genome mapping have to do with genetic modification through GMO protocol (injecting the genes of another organism, usually via yet another species, often a virus?) Again, I'm no geneticist, but I doubt that MonSatan mapped the entire genome of soy and sugar beets and corn, but rather simply spliced a foreign gene into those plants to be able to withstand glyphosate and/or to self-produce bT toxin.

    So, I wonder how much of the quoted article plays on our ignorance of genetics, drops buzzwords, and makes false conclusions that the average person would not be able to detect with our BS detectors. What the greed-driven GMO corporations could do, however, is to genetically modify one seed, patent it, plant one plant, clone it and plant a field of "starts" from that one plant, test it with multimillion dollar studies that no one else could do, collude with the FDA, and then declare that they have the only US FDA approved, "standardized" source of CBD or THC or other cannabinoids for medical use. I'm quite sure there are men in white lab coats working on that, and they will certainly have the support of the men in long black ballgowns (the US Supreme Court) when the time comes to seal the deal. So, yes, there are worries for the future of cannabis in medicine, and we would be naive not to recognize that these greedy bastards will do everything in their considerable power to own this miraculous medicinal plant that has been suppressed from humanity.

    This also strays away from the OP topic (sorry) but the notion that cannabis is ALREADY all GMOd (as opposed to hybridized - a centuries old practice by man, and a million of years old practice by nature) is incorrect.

    Segueing back...

    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    Will he be the world's biggest drug dealer? Uruguay president in 'groundbreaking' move to legalise marijuana trade

    December 12, 2013 8:27AM

    THIS country's government is about to become the world's biggest drug dealer.
    That's sensationalist - and untrue. "Drug dealer" is pejorative. Did the US government become the largest drug dealer when prohibition was repealed and alcohol could be legally sold in the US as long as the official US government tax was paid? From accounts that have been leaked, the CIA is the largest illegal drug dealer in the world, both heroin and cocaine, and through US government (FDA + USDA) collusion with Big Pharma, and the fact that the US government is itself invested heavily into Big Pharma, I would say makes the US government the largest legal drug dealers in the world as well.

    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    Uruguay is about to launch a daring national experiment. Both houses of the Latin American nation's Congress have approved a plan to create the world's first legal market for cannabis.
    Well, someone should tell California, Washington, Colorado, etc. that they were not really the first legal market. Or Amsterdam. I suppose in a way it is true about the US states, as there is the ongoing clash with the federal government that has not been properly paid off yet, and so they are still making federal raids in those states. (Hey, maybe to stock-up the underground cities!)

    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    The laws go well beyond well beyond the famously liberal pot laws in the Netherlands or recent measures in the US states of Colorado and Washington.

    Consumers over 18 will be able to grow their own marijuana, though no more than six plants per person. They can also get it through clubs or buy up to 40 grams per month from pharmacies. In every case, they must be registered with the government.
    Corn and potatoes can be used to make alcohol. [snark]Perhaps the Uruguayan government should limit the number of those plants to six as well.[/snark]

    {I am a proponent of full decriminalization/legalization, without taxation, and without restrictions. I don't want ginseng or turmeric or cinnamon or "black seed" (Nigella sativa) or echineca or peppermint or dandelion or calendula... the list of plants goes on ad infinitum... regulated and taxed either. We don't need nannies and nanny states, and the sooner we move on to the era of self-governance and self-regulation and self-responsibility, the better.}

    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    The laws were championed by President Jose Mujica, a 78-year-old former rebel fighter, and backed by New York billionaires.
    Quote The government's campaign received help from billionaire George Soros, who provided support for a national TV campaign and other lobbying efforts.

    In September, Mujica met with Soros and billionaire David Rockefeller in New York to explain his legal-market plan.
    Yes, it is extremely troubling when Rockefeller (especially) gets his filthy fingers into any pie. I see Soros as a conflicted multibillionaire, occasionally looking in the mirror and deciding to put on a white hat for a little while. I don't see him as pure evil, the way I see Rockefeller. But yes, it is troubling when these guys want in on the action.
    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    Mujica argued the global drug war is a failure.
    He was right. It was never a war that was intended to be "won" - as is true with all wars; the intent was the ongoing money to be made in both selling and persecuting, er, I mean prosecuting drugs. Imagine how awful it would be for the US (and other) governments, and corporations, to lose the stream of tens of billions of dollars annually if everyone stopped taking illegal drugs.

    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    PS - I'll just repeat the thread (Heading) again...

    Quote Ok Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WhY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???
    The only 2 things that came to mind was...

    1. Obviously they're in for a slice of the action..

    2. They are testing out the new (Business Model) in order to eventually (Legalise) their own Criminal Drug Distribution activities...

    Bit stumped on this one, as to the reason Why? Soros & Rockefeller are involved...?

    So, I welcome you all to wrap your mind around their (Strategy) and let us know what other explanations that may have (Validity) as to (Why?) they (Funded It)...

    One's thing I think I can say safely on behalf of all of you is...

    They are up (No Good) as per usual...!!!
    Agreed. Almost undoubtedly greed-driven, though I will toss in the possibility that Soros had a white hat day and gave some money to Mujica's TV campaign to get the necessary support to pass the law because it was the right thing to do. Another possibility for Soros was that it was a PR-driven move, to be seen as a white hat. Rockefeller doesn't own a white hat and it would probably make his brain short-circuit to even try one on.

    And, amazing as it is that Uruguay did this, it is still a weak law with massive regulation still a part of it (Grow 7 plants? Smoke when you're 16? Smoke without registering?) What will the Uruguayan police and justice system do to those that bend these laws?

    Dennis
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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

    My first sarcastic thought was they bought stock in Fritos? The reality (IMO) is that weed will be used as a tool, just like all of the other drugs... alcohol, tobacco, television, entertainment, food... a means to pacify the masses. Keep the natives from being less "restless".

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    Default Re: U.S.: Experts Issue Standards on Cannabis, Restore Classification as a Botanical Medicine

    YAY!

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    Default Re: OK Conspiracy Theorists - Try and explain (WHY) Soros, Rockefeller & Uruguay Govt. teamed up to legalise Marijuana???

    Is this another genetically engineered plant? Who is to say that the original seeds have been replaced with another modified ones, just like the majority of seeds around the world.
    A doped out population is better to control than an awakened one, that is very easy to see, so it is now up to the people of Uruguay to make a stand and refuse to swallow the bait. They can choose.

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