How to reduce the human population ???

[OnyxKnight]

Example of efficient high population maintenance model - Iarga

Example of inefficient high population model maintenance - Akart.

>>>>> We should learn something from these worlds. They are all within a dozen ly away from us. If not going there anytime soon with mainstream, public technology, direct imaging will sufficiently advance in about a decade, decade-and-a-half, to where we could image nearby planets in nearby star systems. Other than biosignatures, their population spread will be one of the first things we would notice. We could compare than the three planets and extrapolate data.

[Bright Garlick]

I haven't seen many recommendations on how to reduce the population folks.

To remind you - one of the key reasons it's been done in secret is because it's a highly EMOTIVE issue and those at the top of The Architecture know that consensus is impossible among the masses.
What methods would YOU recommend ???

Also, all the issues around population numbers declining and how to use resources are null and void to me. Eventually there is a point at which the human population is unsustainable and undesirable. Try it on a small scale with another species and you'll see the problem honestly. The real issue to me is the exploitation of resources as if they are never ending, at the expense of ecosystems and species diversity. Add to the mix the issue of what happens to peoples physical and emotional health when you cram lots of people together.

We already have a huge mess and talking about how many folks can fit into Texas and how easily we can redistribute resources will not fix the problem, it will only dissuade the masses from believing there is a problem. Take any town of more than 50,000 people and watch it grow over 20-30 years and that will teach you what rapid uncapped human population growth does to ecosystems. I've watched that with half a dozen towns and it's utterly shocking. Let alone a large town or city.

Of course, there is also the water problem. Start diverting water for larger human populations and we **** up weather and ecosystems.

This is a problem WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH soon !!! And it won't be enough to point fingers at the bad guys. We co-created this problem together.
We will have to come up with acceptable solutions and find some level of agreement (you can see how hard that's been on the climate change issue - no I support the solar model). Imagine how hard that will be and the conspiracies it will inspire !

Think Tanks are being created to deal with this issue because it's unsavoury to the masses and to politicians. But if we don't stand up in large numbers and create workable solutions, OTHERS WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE THE DECISION FOR US. This is an issue I would like to be dedicating much of my later life to.

Every solution creates it's own problem. We need to think beyond ourselves for at least 7 generations. The issue of reducing the human population, seems to me is a good use for Remote Viewing - so that we can evaluate what worked and what failed.

Shortly I'll post a video about what I was shown will be one solution to the expanding ageing population.

As Onyx has suggested - we should learn something from other worlds. This is a threshold that ALL HIGHLY EVOLVED RACES MUST CROSS, if they are to survive and embrace their place in the cosmic family.
I believe that we need to see this problem through the eye of the heart and yet avoid become highly EMOTIVE about it. We must be logical and caring.

I wonder how many of you live in cities and see the view of this problem from the safe distance of being separated from the natural world and travel little outside of the comfort zone ?

[Kindred]

Posted by Bright Garlick (here)
I haven't seen many recommendations on how to reduce the population folks.

To remind you - one of the key reasons it's been done in secret is because it's a highly EMOTIVE issue and those at the top of The Architecture know that consensus is impossible among the masses.
What methods would YOU recommend ???

If you are looking for 'material' changes to make the needed transition, then you are looking in the Wrong direction. The Greatest challenges of ANY sentient species is Not of a material nature... it is of a Spiritual nature. We don't need a 'depopulation' of Earth... We Need Enlightenment, and THEN, we can work on the material issues... which I can assure you... These have ALL been addressed with high technology development... it's just we are not allowed to Use it, due to it's sequestering within the higher 'echelons' of our 'collective'.

UNLESS and UNTIL humanity can raise it's Spiritual Consciousness, then NO 'material' changes will greatly affect the outcome of what has transpired to date, and will transpire in the future.

EACH OF US is Responsible for our Own Awakening, and Then, to Awaken others within our own 'spheres of influence', As Best We Can.

While 'chatting' about this issue on an online forum is all well and good, (particularly since it is 'open' to the 'outside') what Truly needs to happen is for each of US to take the initiative and bring this conversation into our daily discourse... Make people see the need for opening their Own eyes to the challenges before humanity.

YES... this is a Great Challenge, one that can lead to one's ostracizing or being ignored altogether.

Are YOU up to the Challenge???

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

Remember... Jesus made a simple admonishment...

Love One-Another

Everything else will follow in due course.

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by Bright Garlick (here)
I haven't seen many recommendations on how to reduce the population folks.

To remind you - one of the key reasons it's been done in secret is because it's a highly EMOTIVE issue.

Correction: Its an unethical and immoral issue. That's why its done behind the scenes. The very notion that they were too careless in the first place, to let us reach 7 billion in a relatively short time proves that they are unfit to take care of this planet. They don't have the necessary control over it as we may think they do.

What methods would YOU recommend ???

I did make recommendations for solutions in a previous post. I think the proposed solutions would be effective before we manage to colonize Mars. Then apply the same there until we colonize another planet. I guess that post went invisible for you, or that it is not an efficient solution. So, I ask, what do you propose?

Also, all the issues around population numbers declining and how to use resources are null and void to me.

Its part of the contra-argument. Turning a blind eye to it is not productive for a discussion. Better management of resources is one of the key components to a temporary measure taken until the other suggested measures reach due time to be introduced.

But if we don't stand up in large numbers and create workable solutions, OTHERS WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE THE DECISION FOR US. This is an issue I would like to be dedicating much of my later life to.

I don't plan to dedicate my life to that matter, yet I proposed more than a dozen solutions for this, and you say you plan to dedicate your later life on this issue, yet we are yet to see what you think should be done that's more ethical and moral than what the elite are doing right now.

Every solution creates it's own problem. We need to think beyond ourselves for at least 7 generations.

The proposed solutions could save a minimum of 20 generations ahead.

The issue of reducing the human population, seems to me is a good use for Remote Viewing - so that we can evaluate what worked and what failed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't RVing applied only to the present? Seeing things the way they are now in a different place etc.? Not a different time?

Shortly I'll post a video about what I was shown will be one solution to the expanding ageing population.

Looking forward to it.

As Onyx has suggested - we should learn something from other worlds. This is a threshold that ALL HIGHLY EVOLVED RACES MUST CROSS, if they are to survive and embrace their place in the cosmic family.

Akart has a population of 26 billion. Almost 20 times the Earth has currently. But they are managing for now. We are not yet in such a crisis to predict gloom and doom for our civilization. I do agree that we should think up and present solutions now, before things get thicker like on Akart. We are far from where we need to "reduce" the population by any means. We need more effective resource management, and access to the technology of the private sector that is hidden from the public. We need to drastically slow down the process of populating the planet and one way of doing it is colonizing Mars.

[Robin]

Posted by Bright Garlick (here)
I haven't seen many recommendations on how to reduce the population folks.

I really don't think that there is any perfect solution, nor do I think that we need to focus on any recommendations.

Before I continue, let me say that I fully acknowledge an overpopulation problem, that I take the time to study both the humanities and sciences on a regular basis, and that I think humans should be responsible for their actions. But I think that the issue of human overpopulation is far more complex than we've given thought to yet on this thread.

I think that we are very intimately tied to this planet...much more so than conventional science suggests. For those who have seen the film Avatar, you may understand what I am alluding to. I do think that planets are individual entities that express themselves much more profoundly than our brains can begin to acknowledge. We are her children in a sense. She is allowing us to occupy her being so we can learn lessons and progress through different dimensions...leading to oneness.

If this sounds hippie-dippy, I assure you that science can back up this well enough. Time and time again, looking back through history, great civilizations and great populations of dominant animals have been wiped out by natural events. It simply was their time to go. Whether looking at dinosaurs or Pompeii, there have been some major extinction events due to natural causes. One can say that these events are totally random due to chaos theory or enthalpy, but could it be more?

What if these extinction events are due to Earth deciding that she wants to clean herself up and try something new? Perhaps she felt that the current situation was getting out of control--or even learned what she wanted to learn by experimentation--and decided she wanted something new. I think that, as crazy as this sounds, the Earth decides when things come and when things go.

Going off of this theory, why the heck has Earth decided to keep modern humanity going for so long without intervening? I don't know, nor do I think I have the right to know. Earth's decisions are her own and I trust that she is empathetic to our cause and is giving us an extended chance to progress peacefully.

But I think that there will be a time in the relatively near future where she will not be so kind. I think that the Earth has a way to naturally cleanse and renew herself in such a way where she will continue to prosoper as she orbits around the sun. Religous fanatics think that God caused a Great Flood to cleanse humanity...why can't this actually be Earth's decision? I am sure that if humanity does not clean up its act in the next 50-or-so years, Earth will intervene and do it for us. I envision more earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. occuring until the human population is reduced down to its carrying capacity.

This would be Earth's choice, and I respect that. I think that it is inevitable. So I think that if humans do not form a solution for our population problem, it will be taken care of for us. I do not see any easy solution to reduce our population in the next while, so I think Earth changes will be inevitable and will kill off large numbers of humans.

[blufire]

I would like to share an experience I had when I lived In Kansas that is very relatable to what we are seeing now globally and how the growing overpopulation is being controlled for us.

I had a close friend that lived just down from my farm. She was the same age as me but struggled with many health issues and needed my (and other neighbors) help almost daily. Caren (my friend) loved horses and she had two stallions and several mares that she bred yearly. She also collected abused and unwanted horses.

Very quickly she overloaded her 40 acres with all these horses and completely and utterly destroyed any eco balance and natural resources her farm had to offer. She began having to spend great deal of money buying grain and hay for the horses because she no longer had pastures or hay fields to harvest from. She also had to use rural water because her ponds were destroyed from the horses defecating and were filled with dirt from the erosion of the pastures that were devoid of any vegetation. She could not afford even basic veterinary care.

Even with this disaster she continued to breed her mares and collect other horses.

Her horses became ill and constantly injured from the overpopulation and too many horses forced to live too closely. Many of the horses became unmanageable and dangerous to be around because she had no time to handle and train them properly. Every one them was malnourished and starving to death.

Animal control had been called many times over the years and she finally received the ultimatum that if she didn’t take care of the horses they would all be removed from her farm and she would go to jail for abuse and neglect.

Caren came to me and asked for my help and that this time she would listen to my advice on how to solve this horrendous problem if I would help her. I told her I would but only if she and I worked closely together and the first hint that she was refusing I would step away and never help her again and her horse would be removed from her and her farm taken from her.

We sat down and devised a strategy and game plan with goals and timeline and presented it to her next court hearing and they detailed what we were to achieve so that she wouldn’t be fined and/or sent to jail.

We had to make some very tough, heart breaking decisions (I tear up even now with what we had to do) There were times I didn’t think Caren could continue because she literally had to change so many ways in how she lived her life and shepherded her horses. There were times I didn’t think I could continue with the level of pain and suffering and with the seemingly hoplessness of it all

The plan we formalized mirrors greatly in how I now see the growing overpopulation being managed today and for us.

We started with 67 horses with ages from 4 months to 28 (which is old for a horse). Immediately 4 had to be euthanized, they were too far gone and in extreme pain and no hope for recovery.

We brought 29 of them to my farm where I could medically treat those with injuries, disease and serious parasites. All of them needed constant handling and training. Some were the younger horses or older highly desirable horses that I knew we could find homes easily. All male horses were castrated to prevent any new babies.

I set up strict pasture rotation and put up temporary fencing in my hay pastures (away from my personal animals) so each of the horses (as the health allowed) could be outside and feed in the pastures. I was very watchful that my farm was not depleted of natural resources or the eco balance damaged. They flourished and in around 18 months we had all these horses placed in new homes.

The other 30+ horses we kept on Caren’s farm. These were the older horses or so crippled that I knew we would not find homes and just needed to be cared for until they passed. There were 7 horses that were unmanageable and extremely dangerous to handle . . . 4 of these eventually were euthanized and the other 3 were kept confined away from the others with only me or a male friend handling them.

The horses on Caren’s farm did not have pasture access. It takes a minimum of 5 acres of pasture per horse in order for the pastures to remain viable and healthy; obviously with 25+ horses she needed at least 125 acres (she had 40).

These horses were fed hay and the cheapest grain we could find. She had received quite a bit of donations both monetarily and actual feed, but even with this my heart always went out to these horses. They were healthy but it was a constant fight to keep them healthy because the nutrition in this type of food was low and supplementation was constant and mandatory.

When I moved from Kansas (about 12 years later) she still had 8 horses left. Some had passed and some we did manage to find homes . . . several went to a new facility that needed horses for disabled and mentally challenged children and adults. 2 of the 8 left were of the 3 that were dangerous . . . . they had mellowed in time and with knowing that they now would always have food and space and unconditional love.

Caren’s farm had gradually over the years and with proper maintenance and care came back and was flourishing and beautiful. The horses remaining in her care had green pastures and clear clean pond water. The horses were healthy and happy. Caren’s health and happiness had returned too.

So out of utter devastation and with heart rending decisions and actions and years of incredible hard work came beauty, abundance and success.

I see the plight of Caren and her horses and how we solved it mirroring today’s growing global overpopulation and the current management in the following ways:

Caren’s farm before intervention (for me) is as it was in the late 60’s and into the early 80’s. During this time is when we realized we had a global overpopulation nightmare and that it was most dire. I remember the 10’s of 1,000’s of people that literally starved to death or were grossly malnourished . . . not only in 3rd world countries but in 1st world countries as well. There was a massive wake up call that our global natural resources were on the brink of utter devastation if we didn’t make pragmatic and drastic changes.

I can look back now and pragmatically see how this problem was acknowledged and a solution was planned and a strategy formed to solve it over time and we can see this plan in action today and how it is constantly being tweaked and adapted as we move forward. Just like Caren and I had to do. We had to make a lot of heart rending decisions to save and care for ALL the horses and it was difficult knowing that some of those decisions were the only ones we could make with what we had and without destroying the eco balance of my farm too.

I have watched over the years as our cities and urban areas across the planet have grown exponentially and have eaten away at environmentally healthy areas. I have watched over the years as the people who are living in these areas have no other choice than to eat GMO and mass produced and over processed food. This food has to be supplemented with vitamins and other enhancements for even fair to moderate health.

Just like the horses that had to remain on Caren’s farm. The only resource we had for their food was unnatural (hay and grain) or not optimally healthy for the horses. The grain was gmo grains and the hay had been grown conventionally with herbicides and artificial fertilizers.

I watch with sadness as people who live in these over crowded cities and urban areas struggle to remain healthy and happy. Just like with the horses left on Caren’s farm, we struggled with their health daily for many years and had to go to great lengths to maintain any happiness and quality of life for them.

There are areas everywhere on our planet that are balanced and well cared for and these areas will grow over time. The people that live in these areas thrive and are very happy and healthy. Just like the horses brought to my farm.

We are precariously still on a razors edge with our management of the global overpopulation and crowding. There are times I think we have made it and other times where I feel we have lost the battle.

I still have much hope that many years down the road and many generations (7 at least) our planet will be like Caren’s farm when I moved from Kansas. Beautiful and healthy and productive and most of all in balance with the natural resources, with the humans and animals alike that live there finally happy and thriving.


A difference between Caren’s horses and each of us as humans is we have the capacity to decide and make the CHOICE for our own destiny . . . not only each of us personally but for each other and the rest of humanity. Unlike Caren’s horses, in which we had to make the decision for them, each of us can make our own personal decision how to live our life and what effect that decision will have on our fellow human and the planet

Until each of us personally and responsibly become exponentially more educated and accountable for own destruction upon the planet and toward each other . . . . . . that decision and choice will continue to be made for us.

Each of us (unlike Caren’s horses) can choose how we will live and at what level that choices will be made for each of us.



So to answer your question Bright Garlick as to how I personally would reduce the very real problem of global overpopulation and devastation of our natural resources . . . . . . let’s just say I understand from a very personal experience (Caren’s horses) that I logically understand and agree with the current solution that is already implemented. Because I see more than ever before what our future holds.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ct-as-a-child-

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[Eram]

Hi BrightGarlic,

This must the 3th or 4th thread that you started on this subject in a short time.
In every one of them you are dictating what people can and cannot come up with to add to the discussion.
It seems to me that you have a few blindfold on in regards to this subject.

The human population and the problems that it creates in the environment are a symptom of the low level of consciousness and is not a disease on its self.
Several people have tried to point this out to you, yet you (sideways) accuse them of being emotional about the subject and not able to face up to reality.

To me it seems that you are the one that is not facing reality.

You have made up your mind that the problems of the human population in regards to the environment can only be addressed in one way and that is to reduce the population.

In this mindset, you act as a doctor that provides only symptom oppressing medicine and who refuses to look for medicine that is addressing the disease and not only the symptoms.

If you want a healthy debate about this problem, you have to be willing to discuss all options and not only the option that you brought to the table (population reduction).

As far as I can observe, you are totally unfit to lead a healthy discussion on this matter until you remove your blindfolds.


How about this alternative to your attempt to hook up with tptb?
The hundreds of billions that are now spent annually to run the current population reduction programs could be used for education and other means to raise the consciousness of mankind.
Proper education, in which people learn how to use discernment and the ability to think for themselves instead of cramming their minds with useless data that now occurs in schools.
A raising of the consciousness of humanity would allow us to come up with solutions that would be in harmony with nature and would take away any necessity to take the singleminded options that you want us to come up with.
In this way,we address the real problem and not only a symptom.

[blufire]

Hi Eram,

I respect you a great deal and I hope you can help me understand.

There are many others on the forum that I respect highly too and when I read posts like your last to BG I admit I struggle with adapting it into a full working understanding. Generally I simply set posts like yours (and others) to the side and chalk it up to my own shortcomings but other times (like your post above) I think wait a minute . . . . this is not logical or true and I sometimes (like now) feel a impulse to respond.

You said:

The hundreds of billions that are now spent annually to run the current population reduction programs could be used for education and other means to raise the consciousness of mankind.

Proper education, in which people learn how to use discernment and the ability to think for themselves instead of cramming their minds with useless data that now occurs in schools.

A raising of the consciousness of humanity would allow us to come up with solutions that would be in harmony with nature and would take away any necessity to take the singleminded options that you want us to come up with.
In this way,we address the real problem and not only a symptom.

What you have said here makes good sense up to a point, but I would like to use my post above where I shared my experience with my friend Caren and her horses to explain why I can’t accept what you have said as a current workable solution.

If I had not stepped in and join forces with Caren and take immediate, physical, calculated, drastic action Caren would have ended up in jail and would have lost her entire farm. She would have been demoralized, depressed and even more sick and I don’t think she would have ever recovered from such a devastating life event.

All 67 horses (all other animals too) would have been removed from her farm and some would have found homes but the majority would have ended up at the sale barn and sold for dog food and glue or worse, overseas for human consumption. I would also estimate that 30% would have been immediately euthanized because of the horrible shape they were in.

If I had the mindset that you seem to think BG (and me) should have then I would have not become involved thinking she needed more ‘proper’ education, she would need years of therapy and most of all raise her level of consciousness before she (and me) would have known what to do or capable of doing.

By forcing her to face her own reality and by my own huge commitment to stay by her side and do the absolute best we could, making those heartrending choices and decisions every day . . . . she grew Eram, she was healed physically and spiritually . . . . by facing reality and physically making day by day changes she literally became a new thriving person and I learned much about myself as well!

Those horses that stayed on her farm over time became thriving new horses. Her farmland too!

It was the actual act of implementing a strategic thoughtful plan that reduced the population of horses on her farm over time that made this event successful.

The by product or symptom or result of these actual physical decisions and actions was immense spiritual and physical growth and healing . . . for everyone and everything involved!

You made the comment that BG has posted several threads on this topic. I don’t want to speak in any way for BG but I have a feeling that very much like myself he is being ‘pushed hard’ to step forward and speak of what he knows or feels he may know. I see in him my own reluctance to speak of ‘things’ but at the same time I (maybe him too) feel no rest or peace unless I am actively involved and trying to share.

I support Bright Garlick, I feel an connection with much of what he is saying. Some is different from my own current understanding of our future but I can also tweak his information and plug it into my own ‘template of understanding’ and it melds.

We as a global humanity are on the brink of a huge leap of understanding and advancement and people like you Eram and like Bright Garlick are essential to this.

[Eram]

deleated a semi double post

[Eram]

Hi Blufire,

You can never solve a problem on the level on which it was created.

Albert Einstein

You stepped in with Carens problem and offered a solution from a different level of consciousness that she was able to live by at that time.
This is how problems should be handled indeed imo.

Face the reality even if it may hurt and deal with it from the very best level of understanding that you can come up with.

I don't argue you and BG in any way there.

Al I'm saying is that BG is singleminded and biased in his approach while there are other options available as well.

Immediately jump to the option of population reduction is a poor way to enter a debate about this very real problem we are facing.

btw: Have you read the books from Steve Galalae..... "Killing Us Softly" & "Water,Salt Milk;Killing our unborn children 2012"?

He paints an interesting picture about our ability to procreate which is declining in an alarming rate.
He draws the conclusion that there is a worldwide conspiracy, lead by the U.N. where they sterilize us by means of fluoride (in order to prevent a collapse of society due to overpopulation) , PBA (in plastic bottles and cans) and GMO food to name a few of their agents of choice.
I think he provided far to little evidence to come to such a conclusion, but all the statistics and graphics that he uses are objective facts as far as I can tell and these show that humanity might have a whole new problem in the near future and that is, that we might be facing extinction because we are rapidly becoming sterile.

This is something else that we need to look into when dealing with this complicated issue of population versus impact on Nature.

I am all for bringing the subject to the discussion tables all over the world, but to start it from a decision that we are going to find ways to reduce the human population is premature and leaves out a whole lot other options that might help us address this issue properly.

Raising the consciousness of human kind offers resolutions on much more issues than just the population issue and should be made the chore of addressing these kind of problems.
Sure, we might have to face up to the fact that there are some hard decisions to be made and a way to reduce the population might be part of it, but it should not be the starting point of this discussion, because then we are trying to solve the problem on the same level that it was created.

[Hervé]

... cough... cough... cough... errr... for a different perspective:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Here is what buggs me about the whole thing, starting with what's supposed to be an "insider" view as depicted in "Body Snatchers," it doesn't jive due to a major reality disconnect.

If it were true that "they" have all these advance technologies, psychic capabilities, etc, then there is no need for all that fuss about taking over and controlling this planet; should have been a done deal from long, long ago.

So, that's not it!

James Bratley heavily points towards deciphering the situation from the "intelligence/counter-intelligence" point of views and I would agree that, indeed, there is where lies the crux of the matter.

Then there is this other thing about population reduction, etc.

Well, why wait all these millenia in order to implement it since they know how to do it?

To the contrary, constant wars and widespread poverty has kept Earth's population increasing dramatically, keeping in mind that these wars and overall poverty have been intentional.

Therefore, then, why keep increasing this planet population in order to justify a drastic reduction?

What is that drastic reduction really for?

"Sacrifice" and "Soul Harvesting" comes to mind... because, really, what are they actually interested in?

SLAVES!

Mind-controlled slaves.

This is where, again James Bratley hits the nail square through:

I found this fascinating insight in the classic book "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu which was interpreted and translated by General Samuel B. Griffith USMC Retired.

"All warfare is based on deception. A skilled general must be master of the complimentary arts of simulation and dissimulation; while creating shapes to confuse and delude the enemy, he conceals his true dispositions and ultimate intent. When capable he feigns incapacity; when near he makes it appear that he is far away; when far away, that he is near. Moving as intangibly as a ghost in the starlight, he is obscure, inaudible. His primary target is the mind of the opposing commander; the victorious situation, a product of his creative imagination." Sun Tzu realized that an indispensable preliminary to battle was to attack the mind of the enemy."

General Griffith might as well have been writing about Astral Dreamscape Manipulation by the Reptilians. All of the methods I've mentioned above have been used again and again by the reptilians and their alien vassals. Those abductees who haven't developed nausea or suffered a migraine and have actually finished this treatise now have the information they need to protect themselves from this form of manipulation and behavior conditioning.

Intelligence, especially operational intelligence, is worthless if it doesn't get to the people who have the most need for it. History has proven this time and again. The reptilians come out at night to assault us and manipulate us in the astral dreamscape. To paraphrase Mao:

"When humans sleep, the reptilians attack. When we are awake, the reptilians retreat"

So... the actual battle and cosmic war is a spiritual war for human's minds/souls.

[...]

If I recall correctly, that's how the "Greys" have been had according to Alex collier in one of his lecture where he recounted how the lizzies targeted the females of their species so they couldn't reproduce anymore and therefore at the mercy of the cloning and soul transfer technologies of those fork-tongued snakes.

[blufire]

Why does there have to be some insidious conspiracy at all Amzer zo?

And I mean that.

Our DNA dual (2) genetic strands are mammalian and reptilian in design and nature. We are both. One is no greater or lesser than the other. Our task and mission is to balance and meld the two to become One.

To deny you are one or the other is to deny and reject who you truly are.

We are both and both are beautiful.

[Hervé]

There does not need to be conspiracy, it's just that it's as matter of fact as your encounter...

See this post (<---) in this thread.

[OnyxKnight]

Agenda 21 is not a conspiracy lacking facts Blufire.

And I agree with Eram, why multiple threads? Because each previous one didn't went the desired way he wanted? Why condone that? Imagine all of us starting a new thread about the same topic everytime it didn't go well. Bright Garlick might be sincere, might be believing what he says, might be trying to make a positive change ... I (and I believe most), don't doubt that side of him. I personally doubt his approach to the issue, and his palette of choices that he presents and even the taste in professional company he would consider to work with on this issue (TPTB?) and also his lack of compassion for the other side of the issue. The actual, affected side. We all know the impact on the world, ecosystems, habitats. Population reduction though, is not just numbers. And its easy to say that we need to cut down the population in order for us to solve the problem, like its just so easy, simple, and obvious, like cutting down excess paper or fabric of something. People are not numbers, people are living conscious beings, and we are also part of nature. We need to devise and execute a better plan than the scissor-cut model. Last time people were reduced to numbers was during the last World War. We need to cut that crap out from our minds. There is always a better way.

[blufire]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Agenda 21 is not a conspiracy lacking facts Blufire.

And I agree with Eram, why multiple threads? Because each previous one didn't went the desired way he wanted? Why condone that? Imagine all of us starting a new thread about the same topic everytime it didn't go well. Bright Garlick might be sincere, might be believing what he says, might be trying to make a positive change ... I (and I believe most), don't doubt that side of him. I personally doubt his approach to the issue, and his palette of choices that he presents and even the taste in professional company he would consider to work with on this issue (TPTB?) and also his lack of compassion for the other side of the issue. The actual, affected side. We all know the impact on the world, ecosystems, habitats. Population reduction though, is not just numbers. And its easy to say that we need to cut down the population in order for us to solve the problem, like its just so easy, simple, and obvious, like cutting down excess paper or fabric of something. People are not numbers, people are living conscious beings, and we are also part of nature. We need to devise and execute a better plan than the scissor-cut model. Last time people were reduced to numbers was during the last World War. We need to cut that crap out from our minds. There is always a better way.

I hear you, I truly do.

But please show even an inkling of a better or different way that will work that doesn't require the majority of the global population to ascend to a higher consciousness. . . . Because we all will perish before that occurs.

You speak of these alien worlds that you feel we should immolate and I just go blank. How can we ever remotely hope to understand an alien world when we can't even understand or formulate a plan even on this forum that is made up of supposedly higher thinking individuals?

I can hear and feel the palpable frustration in all of us.

There is a good handful of us that see clearly where we are headed as a global humanity and we are nearly out of time to implement or influence the one that was implemented centuries ago.

Do we stand by and let ourselves and those around us be euthanized or slaughtered as my friends horses would have been or do we take action before this happens?

Up until recently I felt Bill knew of a group that could at least organize us to a degree and direct us in the general direction. . . . But I gave that up.

If there is . ... . Point me in the direction and I will be there with bootstraps sewn firmly on.

[Bright Garlick]

Onyx -

I have created multiple threads to present multiple points of view, not to avoid consideration of other points of view. I do not have to agree with everything said or react to any of it. I wanted to hear other points of view and mostly to hear solutions. To see people really push the edge of the envelope ! I wasn't looking for a debate. I am almost twice your age and have no time or energy for that. Try to realize that I was a young man TOO once and I too had a different point of view. I had points of view very much like others on this thread. My points of view changed over time. I read extensively about both sides of the population argument and I experienced seeing the impact of population problems. I worked at the coal face of many of these problems. I traveled, I witnessed, I explored, I learned. And I had discussions about it with multiple ET races.

Please reread my post - I do not advocate cutting people down like a hololcaust. I advocate an ethically sound approach to dealing with all the worlds problems. Starting with the Self and ideas of Self. managing our population addresses the issue of perpetual population expansion. It does not address ALL the issues, only those associated with having an excessive population without limits.

Your limited view of who TPTB actually are, seems to prevent you from considering the possibility that working with those in power might actually be a good thing. I would put my life on the line to work with those in power on this issue because I love this planet dearly. Would you ?

The Cree iIdians in Alberta describe the human life cycle in an interesting way. You are of an age that corresponds to the Yellow Eagle - you see 8 times further than any one else. Myage correspond to the Little Green Mouse - I value the well being of community of living beings and no longer think I see 8 times further than anyone else.

Just because I am spiky, doesn't mean I am not good to eat !

You are right - there is always a better way. Let us consider for one moment that there are too many people and at some point we need to manage our population. How can we do that ethically, without creating more problems (like the 53:47 % ratio of males to females in China) ?

I am asking the hard question because no one is willing to ask it ! If there was a discussion to be had, that was easy, I would never have asked the question.

Best wishes to you,

Bright.

PS. I value all life and so do the ET races who have been part of my life. It is because I value ALL LIFE, that I ask this hard question. Humans are but one life on this precious blue sphere.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Agenda 21 is not a conspiracy lacking facts Blufire.

And I agree with Eram, why multiple threads? Because each previous one didn't went the desired way he wanted? Why condone that? Imagine all of us starting a new thread about the same topic everytime it didn't go well. Bright Garlick might be sincere, might be believing what he says, might be trying to make a positive change ... I (and I believe most), don't doubt that side of him. I personally doubt his approach to the issue, and his palette of choices that he presents and even the taste in professional company he would consider to work with on this issue (TPTB?) and also his lack of compassion for the other side of the issue. The actual, affected side. We all know the impact on the world, ecosystems, habitats. Population reduction though, is not just numbers. And its easy to say that we need to cut down the population in order for us to solve the problem, like its just so easy, simple, and obvious, like cutting down excess paper or fabric of something. People are not numbers, people are living conscious beings, and we are also part of nature. We need to devise and execute a better plan than the scissor-cut model. Last time people were reduced to numbers was during the last World War. We need to cut that crap out from our minds. There is always a better way.

[Bright Garlick]

Blufire - yes, yes and yes.

Thank you for getting it.

[Bright Garlick]

Blufire - Yes, yes, yes with tears in my eyes !

"I have a feeling that very much like myself he is being ‘pushed hard’ to step forward and speak of what he knows or feels he may know."

And if I didn't, would it be worth the criticism and persecution and hate mail I received for my videos on the subject ? No.
I would put my life on the line to create solutions to this problem.
Earth and ALL HER SPECIES matters more than humanity does.

Thank you for picking up the torch !

[Eram]

Posted by blufire (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Agenda 21 is not a conspiracy lacking facts Blufire.

And I agree with Eram, why multiple threads? Because each previous one didn't went the desired way he wanted? Why condone that? Imagine all of us starting a new thread about the same topic everytime it didn't go well. Bright Garlick might be sincere, might be believing what he says, might be trying to make a positive change ... I (and I believe most), don't doubt that side of him. I personally doubt his approach to the issue, and his palette of choices that he presents and even the taste in professional company he would consider to work with on this issue (TPTB?) and also his lack of compassion for the other side of the issue. The actual, affected side. We all know the impact on the world, ecosystems, habitats. Population reduction though, is not just numbers. And its easy to say that we need to cut down the population in order for us to solve the problem, like its just so easy, simple, and obvious, like cutting down excess paper or fabric of something. People are not numbers, people are living conscious beings, and we are also part of nature. We need to devise and execute a better plan than the scissor-cut model. Last time people were reduced to numbers was during the last World War. We need to cut that crap out from our minds. There is always a better way.

I hear you, I truly do.

But please show even an inkling of a better or different way that will work that doesn't require the majority of the global population to ascend to a higher consciousness. . . . Because we all will perish before that occurs.

Blufire,

Who said anything about ascension?
You make it sound like we try to aim for prayer and hope for the best

Raising the consciousness would involve "getting real" (as dr. Phil would say) and look at what's really there and available to us.

I you want humanity (people like you and me who are not part of the power structure that operates behind the curtain) to make decisions as to how we are going to decline the human population , there is some level of waking up required any way, so either way, a raise in consciousness is necessary if you want solutions to come from the people and not only the elite.

There are many other options available to us that would also contribute in addressing things like the impact that we have on the eco system.

• We could switch to the liquid fluoride thorium reactor (LFTR) as a main source of energy.
  There is enough thorium on earth to supply us for tens of thousands of years to create an abundance of energy for all people and not just in the first world.
  The LFTR is clean, little to nu risk and we could burn up all nuclear waste there that we now have due to the regular uranium reactors that now exist.
  Avalon member Bobd is even convinced that we could use thorium to build very small reactors that we could use house to house, or to power cars, trains, boats and what have you.
  Clean energy that comes at a cost price that is way way below what we now pay for energy. You could almost call it free energy.
  China is developing it's first LFTR as we speak by the way, very interesting to see where this goes.
  
  
  Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=N2vzotsvvkw
  
  
  
  
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• We could switch to hemp as a source to produce clothing and paper instead of the cotton (which uses insanely amounts of water) and wood.
  
• We could set rules for the amount of meat that we consume so a lot of problems that arise from this line of industry would decline.
  My next door neighbor is a farmer and as all other farmers here in Wallonie, he holds cattle (mostly cows and some pigs). He has about 350 cows and uses 85 hectares of land to provide those cows with food (insane if you consider what amount of food those 85 acres would provide humanity if most of it was used for vegetables, corn, wheat for human consumption. (but you know about this much better then I do of course).
  
• We could encourage people to grow our own crops again, like we did in the past.
  
• We could develop certain deserts with sustainable ways to provide for extra land to grow crops etc.

These are only a few things we could do to improve our situation and there are many more.

We can only come to decisions about how we are going to reduce the human population if we raise the consciousness any way, otherwise most people will keep sticking their heads in the sand, so while we are at it, lets open our eyes to all the options that are available to us and not only cut back on numbers.

I am all for practical, down to earth solutions to our problems, but there is no need to give in to a scarcity mindset or to only consider certain solutions (because tptb would never consider other options, since they would lose power over us. Thinking like this is to enslave ourselves instead of them enslaving us).
With a mentality like that, Ghandi would have never accomplished what he did.

Pragmatism can help us only as long as it aims at the highest, not at the lowest.

[gripreaper]

This thread is moving pretty fast, and has become the “de-facto” thread of the many threads which touch on the core issue, even though it is couched in the notion of over population and how to reduce it. But first, may I wax poetic and try to create a context for the answer while looking at the core issues before I offer the solution?

First off, humans, or more appropriately, homo sapien sapiens, are a manipulated and hybridized species whose inherent abilities have been altered. We have 13 strands of DNA, not just the two which blufire has postulated, the mammalian and reptilian. That is an oversimplification of the true nature of the species and does not take into consideration that the other 11 strands which are dormant are not “junk” as our sciences would have us believe. Neither is the calcified pineal gland, which is the master gland providing the necessary elixirs for the rest of the glands to function properly. Also, we have a complete energy body, with cone shaped chakras and at least seven etheric energy layers emanating from the torus body, which govern the cerebrum and cerebellum, the higher brain centers. These indigenous abilities are dormant in most of the population as well.

It is not within the scope of this essay to go over the historical, archeological and esoteric records to explain how we got this way, since this thread is about solutions which I will get to in a minute if you will bear with me. Yet, there is conditioning which is very prevalent within the universities and schools of this planet which adhere to a religious doctrine which espouses the exploitation of the earth and massive procreation and expansion of the species. We are conditioned to do this without nary a whisper of debate on population or the destruction of the planet even being a consideration. So, other threads have discussed the benevolent or nefarious intent of those who promulgate such beliefs and structures and why these “guardians” do so, and why they consider themselves the owners and controllers of this planet.

So, as long as we are F’kin ourselves into extinction and destroying the host we call earth, and we will exponentially die like a cancer which feasts on its host without any consideration for itself or the host, let me now offer solutions:

1. The very first thing we need to do is fire the elite, globalist, psychopathic, heartless, soulless bankster cabal bastards who are running the planet. They have had thousands of years to run things and they have done nothing but screw everything up. I don’t care if Fulford’s ninjas take all of them out in a “night of a thousand swords” or Drake puts them on trial and adjudicates them or David Wilcock teaches them how to ascend or COBRA initiates an “event” with his alien resistance forces. They have got to go NOW.

2. Tell the truth about our origins, how we got here, how we have been manipulated by these elite, how they have destroyed everything, and how we allowed it, embraced it and acquiesced to it.

3. Release free energy and get rid of the oil and electric control cartels. This will immediately begin to restore the ecosystems of this planet and help change the paradigm of scarcity and competition to a paradigm of abundance and cooperation.

4. Get rid of all technology which goes against nature, such as fluoride in the water, vaccines, genetically modified organisms, plants and animals, and poisonous herbicides, pesticides, chemtrails, corexit, roundup, etc.

5. Eliminate fiat currency debt instruments at interest which vampires the energy of all sentient beings and cannibalizes it to flow into the hands of the elite. Default on all existing debt and reset to zero, through a global jubilee. all debt.

6. Initiate NAWAPA all over the world to provide adequate clean water for everyone. If you don’t know about NAWAPA, why not?

7. Destroy all the infrastructure of war, all machines which perpetuate war, and all peripheral reference to it forever.

8. Return to the initiates path of righteousness (the right use of energy) and teach humans about the hidden Gnostic esoteric truths, how to become more conscious and how to foster energy, husband it, focus it, emanate it into the matrix of the grand Sophia of abundance, the ethers of creation, and all coalescence of manifestation which is inherent in all sentient empathic beings as a birthright.

9. Teach and encourage alternative medicines, such as acupuncture, vibrational medicine, oxygen therapies, urine therapies, subtle energy medicine, magnetic therapies, reiki and a host of others.

10. Plant food that is grown with traditional, non-bioengineered seed, in organic soil, using natural light, and irrigated with clean water and natural fertilizers, restoring the health of those empathic souls on this loving planet.

11. Give everyone a free I-pad and access to the internet. If they cannot read, teach them. Make all knowledge available to all at no cost. Take back the media from the controllers and allow truth in journalism to expand and proliferate.

12. Teach people that F’king and destroying the planet was a nefarious plot by the controllers to set up the highest ritualistic human sacrifice of all time and that they do not need to be a victim of divisiveness and religious dogma anymore and that sovereignty and self responsibility, and self determination go hand in hand with responsible husbandry of the planet, balanced ecosystems with nature, and renewable resources and abundance.

And last but not least, shoot Miley Cyrus for sticking her tongue out and twerking our children with her soulless illuminati satanic ritualistic mind control hyperbole.

This is my solution to the population problem.