The "Hitler" Speech They (Don't) Want You To Hear..!

[TargeT]

Posted by Milneman (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
To holocaust deniers.

You may dismiss the suffering of others
for your own ideas or rather the ideas of others.

However you cannot deny that we as humans
can cause atrocious and terrible suffering
on other humans or creatures, and are still doing so.

If someone writes, “I am suffering.”
Do you dismiss it, because you haven't actually met them?
Or do you spontaneously feel empathy and compassion?

Never forget your true nature.
Never forget.
One day they may come knocking on your door.

Tony

THANK YOU TONY! Very well said.

Pain is mandatory, Suffering is optional and simply a (powerful) state of mind.

I have been shown this as a member of the military over and over and over; things are only "bad" if your mental state lets them be, in fact; something seen as bad by one person can be seen as fun by another person in the same situation.

basically: Perception rules all, this is an un-deniable truth.

this may seem like a compassion-less statement in this context, but I say to underline this: while the death caused people to suffer, much less can do so as well since suffering is a mental state some surprising circumstances can cause suffering.

so was the death count the issue here or the suffering caused? (personally I would say suffering, since energetically this is much more powerful and long lasting than death).

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Then you go into the Ant Antarctica base, Nazi saucers, whether Hitler
survived the war.The take over of of NASA , whether the US is the 4th Reich
and much more, with Joseph Farrells and others work.

Then you really come away from conventional history..LOL...

Well, the Tibetans have their own underground city. And the (Nazi) Germans got to colonize Mars the first.

I would say their off-world connections paid off greatly.

[Cidersomerset]

Well, the Tibetans have their own underground city. And the (Nazi) Germans got to colonize Mars the first.

I would say their off-world connections paid off greatly.

Well if that is true very well....But China has annexed
and runs Tibet, with the Dali Lama in exile, and Germany
is a progressive democracy, although with a more radical
element incorporated since reunification.

So they have not shown there hands in public yet to my knowledge.

Although according to the 'Evergreens' and I think ion I would
have to check China have been in direct contact with ET's since
1995, who gave them assistance in super computer technology.

[Flash]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Just in case you forgot the plot of the story- HOW TRUTH GETS CHANGED.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=K1fTL9jlj4Q

In George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, the Ministry of Truth is Oceania's propaganda ministry. It is one of the four ministries that govern the nation. As with the other Ministries in the novel, the Ministry of Truth is a misnomer and in reality serves the opposite of its purported namesake: it is responsible for any necessary falsification of historical events. The book describes a willful fooling of posterity using doctored historical archives to show a government-approved version of events.
As well as administering truth, the ministry spreads a new language amongst the populace called Newspeak, in which, for example, "truth" is understood to mean statements like 2 + 2 = 5 when the situation warrants.
In Newspeak, the ministry is known as Minitrue.

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You mean it is George Orwell with its 2+2=5 who started the American Newspeak, Fox News???

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Milneman, despite the fact that you now openly live being guay, it must still be difficult to live it in Saskatchewan, despite many progress in attitudes.

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I know for having met holocaust victims and one of them having described what happened that it did happen. From 2 millions to 6 millions to 10 millions victims is quite irrelevant. It did happen and should never again, althout it reapeated itself in Chile, Argentina, Rwanda, Serbia, etc. Men never learn the lesson it seems.

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Well if that is true very well....But China has annexed
and runs Tibet, with the Dali Lama in exile, and Germany
is a progressive democracy, although with a more radical
element incorporated since reunification.

Shambala and Agartha still prevail. The surface matters are only a distraction. The Chinese will never get their hands on the underground cities. One of the reasons I believe they are doing this is exactly that.

I meant Nazi Germans, present-day Germany is run by a different party. The Nazi's have the Antarctic base, an operational segment on the Moon and a colony on Mars. They have been pretty rewarded IMO. They've just realized they need to focus their ideology more on subversive manner. That they made a mistake before.

Although according to the 'Evergreens' and I think ion I would
have to check China have been in direct contact with ET's since
1995.

One of my off-world contacts claimed relationship between his people and China since 1999. It became direct in 2010 when they approached the government, but before the year ended they shifted with contact with Brazil and Japan only. Obviously they had good reasons for terminating their relationship with China. They were deemed unfit. They had contact with the human beings from Procyon as well, but that got terminated too. The only other contact I knew of being maintained was from "Sirians".

[loungelizard]

Like the Jews, Roma were singled out by the Nazis for racial persecution and annihilation.

That fact makes this event even more chilling. The headline reads:

ROMANIA: State TV airs Christmas song about burning Jews, celebrating Holocaust

Song includes lyric: “This is what the Jew is good for, to make Jew smoke through the chimney on the street.”
http://cerf-institute.org/2013/12/12...ing-holocaust/

Seriously, I have to ask...what is wrong with people

[Flash]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Well if that is true very well....But China has annexed
and runs Tibet, with the Dali Lama in exile, and Germany
is a progressive democracy, although with a more radical
element incorporated since reunification.

Shambala and Agartha still prevail. The surface matters are only a distraction. The Chinese will never get their hands on the underground cities. One of the reasons I believe they are doing this is exactly that.

I meant Nazi Germans, present-day Germany is run by a different party. The Nazi's have the Antarctic base, an operational segment on the Moon and a colony on Mars. They have been pretty rewarded IMO. They've just realized they need to focus their ideology more on subversive manner. That they made a mistake before.

Although according to the 'Evergreens' and I think ion I would
have to check China have been in direct contact with ET's since
1995.

One of my off-world contacts claimed relationship between his people and China since 1999. It became direct in 2010 when they approached the government, but before the year ended they shifted with contact with Brazil and Japan only. Obviously they had good reasons for terminating their relationship with China. They were deemed unfit. They had contact with the human beings from Procyon as well, but that got terminated too. The only other contact I knew of being maintained was from "Sirians".

why were Chinese deemed unfit?
And who were those contact (from where)?

I do not know if Brazil would be better, extremely corrupt society and quite violent too (well, when compared with Canadian everything else seems violent - I may be biaised, our Brazilian friends may tell).

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by Flash (here)
why were Chinese deemed unfit?
And who were those contact (from where)?

I think the way they had structured their society, or the way its headed. Just because they grow in a superpower doesn't mean any ETs would be interested in it by default. Comparing both cultures, I can see why they wouldn't get along. I guess the only reason there was such contact in the first place was to see if they can "steer" the direction where China would be heading in years to come, as a major world factor. I guess they were disappointed.

Since they work with the Procyon humans as well, and did so jointly at one point in time, after 2010, when severing the ties happened. The Procyon humanoids are very gifted with precognition abilities and are excellent calculators of timelines. I guess they didn't like what they saw in the future (near or distant).

The contacts call themselves 'mekora' (similarly like we would call ourselves 'terran' or human). They come from a planet orbiting a giant star in the Andromeda constellation we loosely call Nembus. I've talked about them briefly in my thread. They warned for a "Thule: Part 2.0" scenario, rise of neonazism and renegade groups of the Aldebaran sticking fingers in it again.

I do not know if Brazil would be better, extremely corrupt society and quite violent too (well, when compared with Canadian everything else seems violent - I may be biaised, our Brazilian friends may tell).

I guess they see some kind of potential in them. They have done this for three years I'm guessing now, so something is holding them there. Its not just Brazil, the entire South American continent is seen as favorable by many groups, majority of which are the "good" variety. Brazil being one of the largest and most powerful there (at least IMO), make sense for them to be present there first. We will have to see in the years that come what will play out.

[Andrew]

For me it's been about trying to understand the motives not deny the horrors of war... or act like it didn't matter it does.

Do you know that in the Afghan war they were transporting hundreds or thousands of people in metal containers (the ones you use to ship goods about the world on ships) and when they were crying out for air they set about them with machine guns to make air holes in the containers while they were all crammed in there? (a documentary talking about this was shown TV in England, once) But no one mentions that when talking about the Afghan war do they...?

I appreciate everyones input just not the insecure finger pointing about holocaust denial (no offence).

[Agape]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Then you go into the Ant Antarctica base, Nazi saucers, whether Hitler
survived the war.The take over of of NASA , whether the US is the 4th Reich
and much more, with Joseph Farrells and others work.

Then you really come away from conventional history..LOL...

Well, the Tibetans have their own underground city. And the (Nazi) Germans got to colonize Mars the first.

I would say their off-world connections paid off greatly.

And I'm out of here . Sorry Onyx , please don't take it personally ..

almost every country 'have contacts' . To be more correct .. there are people in every country /part of the world who have and had contacts/ communications with ( various) off-worlderes .

There are certain matters that advanced civilisations in Space do not know and recognise ,
as essential to life and its meaning . However sensitive they/we all remain to human matters, nature and problems and vulnerability of life in general ..

typically petty , atavistic state of human affairs on planet Earth described by artificially enacted borders between ye'r tribes and ethnics ,

hatred towards other tribes of your kind ( for lack of more precise description ) ,

hoarding of possessions and powers that destabilises every part of your society

perverted collectivism as well as ye'r totalitarian regimes ,

the use of money

and many other manifestations of 'human factor' that you consider so essential and common to your everyday existence

this and much more won't ever be understood well and supported by intelligent Space-faring species .

The count includes what you call 'national governments' as it's now common understanding that this planet does not have any centralised, global governing body responsible for all human matters though such would be badly needed
at certain times ,

so also no individual/national government is acceptably allowed to pose as 'government of earth' even if some and many tried to see themselves thus in the past .

In another words, accusing any craft , its crew , civilised and advanced visitors from faraway Stars of being willing cohorts of one or more of your government/s
just because your governments are corrupted to root and you fear them,
is blatant act of madness.

There has been already many guesses, thousands of conspiracy theories evolving around this topic just because 'there are no proofs' at hand .

I respect you have your own personal contacts and communications telling you things and unfortunately , many of those 'things' can be easily misunderstood as long as our 'human brains' , the translating machines are gullible .

It's also one of the many reasons why many cultures of old tried to prevent proliferation of sensitive data concerning their communication with 'visitors' and protect those genuine individuals who were so chosen or gifted to maintain the contact ,

while a whole NET of parallel stories was usually invented to feed the hungry crowd standing outside and not willing to understand 'what the heck is going on here' .

I'm saying this with no excuse to either party , including my own perhaps but real problems in Life are begging for real solutions and are truly not about the blame and game play to sort it all.
Blame and game play can only offer a mirror . It does not provide with intelligent solution to any problem on earth or anywhere else .


So I think..with respect to search for truth ..

it won't help to flood this thread with very weak statements aka Lobsang Rampa ( the author of The Third Eye .. and well known spiritual fiction novelist ) about
Tibetans ..
their relationship to ETs and so forth..while such a debate would truly be the most enlightening IN PRESENCE of initiated Tibetan lamas with commitment to ethical disciplines ( who you are not )

and even if I've been very close to these people for many years, and am actually, personally aware of the threshold of sensitivity that this matter entails ,

being only one around here I would not dare to open the topic . For the misconceptions and misunderstandings, replaced by 'fiction theories' by even some famed names on your tabloids are enormous
and confound reality .. in such manner that it won't be later explainable , anymore .


Sorry

[OnyxKnight]

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing me with Agape. As far as the Tibetans go, its not fiction when they have said similar things themselves. Why of all people would be the Nazi interested in them? Perhaps you have a different answer to that question?

[Tony]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
I'm not sure what you are disagreeing me with Agape. As far as the Tibetans go, its not fiction when they have said similar things themselves. Why of all people would be the Nazi interested in them? Perhaps you have a different answer to that question?

As far as my experience with Tibetans goes, they are knowledge holders of
the Buddha teaching, which very much include compassion for all sentient beings.

Knowledge used in the wrong way or misunderstood will turn the user into a demon.









Dealing with Demons and Samaya Breakers.

Demonic activity is selfish activity. That's it. Selfishness, self-centredness, self-importance are all demonic activities. We, as sentient beings, are dominated by...'me' first! However, as sentient beings, we also have the potential for enlightenment, for selflessness – buddha nature, awakened nature.

There are. however, beings trapped in their demonic selfish state; in Sanskrit they are called Mara. Mara are Samaya breakers - practitioners who know how to practise but have broken their sacred vows. They cling to temporary illusory powers arising from meditation practices, and have stopped their journey to enlightenment to enjoy poisoned fruit. However, they are not happy at all.

One sees this development on internet forums, with people claiming this and that, and trying to influence others. They contaminate the atmosphere. They feed off negative emotions by winding a situation up, creating further stress to themselves and others.

Don't we all at some time cherish our anger and righteously wish to influence others? This is the ego in our mind (consciousness clinging) laying in ambush, clinging to likes and dislikes. That is what keeps Essence trapped, and distracted from recognising its true nature.

It is important to stay clear of samaya breakers as their contamination is contagious. Like attracts like. Unless we have true compassion and stability in practice, we should be very careful to avoid merely falling in with populist views, especially in this time of the Kali Yuga.

The other reason why we should take care is because Mara creates trouble for spiritual practitioners. Even feeling discomfort while meditating is Mara activity. These beings hate compassion, although they yearn for peace. This why we encompass them and accept them into our practice.

There are prayers for protection which are very powerful, but the best method is to rest in emptiness. This not only protects us, by putting us at ease, but relieves demons of the stress in which they exist. An an example: if you have even been very angry and come into the company of someone who is at perfect peace, this can increase your anger, but at the same time there may be a sense of relief. In order for this to happen, the person has to be genuine, and not just trying to be kind.

Resting in emptiness, we can do much for the dying or deceased...it's a kind reminder of their true nature...without a lot of words!

The Soul or Essence
cannot be captured,
but only distracted.
For that to happen
we merely have to
comply with
the status quo*.



STATUS QUO
The existing state of affairs, esp. regarding social or political issues : they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.
ORIGIN Latin, literally ‘the state in which'.



Tony

[Tony]

If you really want to know what was going on with the Nazis and Tibet check out...

...http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en...ala_tibet.html

This archive is extensive. Here is a flavour

Page Contents
Introduction
The Myths of Thule and Vril
The Thule Society and the Founding of the Nazi Party
Haushofer, the Vril Society, and Geopolitics
The Swastika
Nazi Suppression of Rival Occult Groups
Buddhism in Nazi Germany
The Ahnenerbe
The Nazi Expedition to Tibet
Purported Occult Expeditions to Tibet

[Agape]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
I'm not sure what you are disagreeing me with Agape. As far as the Tibetans go, its not fiction when they have said similar things themselves. Why of all people would be the Nazi interested in them? Perhaps you have a different answer to that question?

To keep to tune of the thread ( so pardon me the sarcasm ) ..

it's because Nazis wanted to learn meditation and compassion ..two items they really missed ..so were strongly attracted to the very opposite of ideology they adhered to , ideology of racial superiority, world dominion , it's what they sought in ancient victories and heroes , the super-human strength ,
not humbleness, not meekness .
They stole every symbol and piece of symbology occult to them , the term 'occult' itself implies that its meaning remained 'hidden' to their understanding.

Thieves who 'made friends' with Tibetan lamas who did not understand there is war going on , there's political game in another part of world , very far away they're being deliberately misused for .
If they knew they'd not allow these good looking well behaved emissaries in, would they . They seldom allowed anyone from outside in anyway,
to steal the symbols, their culture, beauty to be ruined .. 15 years later, Chinese 'liberation army' completed the rest .

So my argument ( not with you ) I preface, knowing already what is claimed by corrupted ideologists repeatedly , plenty of lies , Nazis and Tibetans ..were ideologically , direct opposites .

I don't know how to explain this on-line but I think you are someone who is capable of subtle understanding ,

to average 'Westerner' who encounters Tibetan Buddhist 'mysticism' , questions and answers about Buddhas, Deities, ETs , prophecies and so forth ..

are questions and answers between two heterogeneous systems.

I was present to many sessions where Western audience was allowed to ask some more sensitive questions to Tibetan lamas . While the lama is usually very careful to answer in manner that could be misleading,
it's almost automatic that without many years spent in the indigenous culture ( here Tibetan ) itself , without knowing their language, origin of their legends , history etc .,

what people ask and way they interpret answers .. distorts the original meaning.

Reminds you of the video about one pristine tribe in Amazon, Flash posted recently in general section .

[Cidersomerset]

just looking at the News stories and by coincidence there is one about
Tibet, which is spooky..LOL, I cannot remember the last Tibet story
I noticed on the BBC news web page...I would not have posted this
other than its topical in view of a earlier post.




13 December 2013 Last updated at 15:19

Tibetans displaced within region 'amid rampant mining'By Navin Singh Khadka

Environment reporter, BBC News


Campaigners and researchers say that mining operations have gathered apace in recent years

A record number of Tibetans have been displaced in their own homeland amid
rampant mining and river damming in vacated areas, according to reports.
Tibetan leaders and researchers claim that this displacement has been going on
over the last few years under China's nature conservation policy.The allegation
comes at a time when the figure for Tibetans reaching other countries as refugees
has been falling.

Chinese authorities did not respond to requests for comment by the BBC.

However, China's government has previously issued strong denials that forced
evictions are used in the relocation of Tibetan pastoralists.Tibetan officials in
Dharamashala, India, which hosts the office of Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the
Dalai Lama, say that between 1.5 and two million Tibetan pastoralists have been
forcibly displaced from their pastoral lands, while mines for gold and copper ore
extraction have been mushrooming.

They say most of the displaced people are not happy and of the more than 130 self-
immolations by Tibetans since 2008, about 20 were by members of the nomadic
community who were forced to leave their pastoral lands.

'Land grab'

"Tibetans who have come from [the region] as refugees have told us that they have
seen for themselves how their pasture land is illegally grabbed and then mined for
mineral resources," said Tenzin Norbu, who heads the environmental desk at the
Central Tibetan Administration office in Dharamashala.

"They told us that Chinese authorities warned [via loudspeaker from a vehicle] that
anyone who protested against mining would be seen as protesting against the state
because China needs natural resources to develop.

"These people who managed to flee Tibet also said that Chinese officials went to
each house and made them sign papers that they would not protest if there were
mining activities."

Researcher Jigme Norbu, who studies Tibetan nomads with the Central Tibetan
Administration, said of the nearly 40 Tibetan refugees who had arrived at the Dalai
Lama's office at Dharamashala in 2012, most of them were pastoralists.


Tibet's spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, has been in exile since 1959

Read More....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25359391

[OnyxKnight]

What the hell are they mining there, are they trying to dig up Shambala? :D

[Cidersomerset]

What the hell are they mining there, are they trying to dig up Shambala? :D

Hope not !!

[Davidallany]

Not all winnings are actual winnings. How many groups and individuals are absolutly sure and confident in their rock-solid views? In my experience if one does't want to know, then there is no need to waste energy on informing and helping. The stuff one has and imagen to have can get in the way, after all how can one decide what truth is with just the tools of perception at our disposal. Yet there is hope, still.

[Carmody]

Posted by Milneman (here)
Ok so I'm curious. I want to just get this out in the open, and stated as clearly as possible, so I can deal with these concepts and try to develop an idea about what it all means.

There are two (maybe more) general schools of opinion about the reasoning behind the Second World War. These are a) the typical historical examination, as detailed scholarly in such books as "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and others, and b) the historical account which suggests that more sinister forces, among which a "zionist" conspiracy had more control that is generally acknowledged. In other words, the second school of though purports that Zionism is in some way responsible for either the deaths of six million jews (and others), or the fudging of numbers, or of communism, or baldness.

All giggles aside, does this basically seem to be true? And who, would you say, is the major influence behind each "version" of history?

I have a point to make but I want to make sure I understand everyone correctly before I dive in, and maybe actually make things worse because I don't understand the basic "hypotheses" let's call them.

So in one or two sentences (HA!) can you summarise your points? I promise I will do so when time permits.

The best bit of deeper reasoning that I can find that includes all the nuances and the minute, both hidden (which is the major part) and exposed, is in Joseph Farrell's series of books on hidden Nazi technology. He just happens to expose a considerable amount of data as a side effect of what he is trying to get across.

[loungelizard]

Posted by Davidallany (here)
Not all winnings are actual winnings. How many groups and individuals are absolutly sure and confident in their rock-solid views? In my experience if one does't want to know, then there is no need to waste energy on informing and helping. The stuff one has and imagen to have can get in the way, after all how can one decide what truth is with just the tools of perception at our disposal. Yet there is hope, still.

I'm sorry but I can't understand quite what you are saying here, Davidallany. Please could you explain a little further?