The "Hitler" Speech They (Don't) Want You To Hear..!

[Tony]

I was born in Britain in 1946 to a jewish family, and experienced the hatred from people of my own country,
due to the Nazi propaganda that had filtered throughout western mind sets. The fifties was hell, even in the
sixties jewish jokes were cruel. One couldn't even admit to being jewish because of the unconscious hatred.
At the higher end of society jews weren't even allowed to join golf clubs, or get a hotel room because of one's name.

One of my driving forces through life was, “They are going to have to accept me, as I'm going to be bloody good at what I do!”

The Nazi right wing propaganda machine is still working here today. We have had this discussion umpteen times on this forum,
and cannot mention a certain 'whistle blower' who is a rich smug holocaust denier who seems to hold some very strange ideas, and is believed.

If you want to know about the insidious jewish hatred after the WW2 watch “Gentleman's Agreement,” with Gregory Peck.
It will give you an idea of this taboo subject.


This is just an introduction to the film.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gxjEL_X8QmA

(this a review I found of the film)
Watching Gentleman's Agreement all these years after it first reached the screen, it struck me how relevant the material is, if not specifically for the treatment of Jews in today's society, but for how other minorities are regarded (especially gays and lesbians). Often, when someone wishes to rebut a charge of homophobia, he will declare: "Some of my best friends are gay." In Gentleman's Agreement, an individual with unquestionable anti-Semitic tendencies, states: "Some of my best friends are Jews." One point the film emphasizes is that the little, seemingly inconsequential details can be as indicative of prejudice as the big ones, and this is as true today as it was in 1947. Everyone understands that spewing hateful words and resorting to violence against a particular group is evidence of bigotry, but what some don't recognize is that smaller, more subtle gestures can be damaging. Many harbor prejudices but are unwilling to be honest about them, even to themselves. This is something Gentleman's Agreement forces the viewer to confront, and that's why the movie is as powerful today as when it captured the Best Picture Oscar a few years after Hitler's genocide ended in Europe.




Tony

[161803398]

I think the Halocaust was probably much worse than even we know. I got that idea from reading an article I can't find now about a place the soldiers went to when the allies got into Germany...a place never mentioned by anyone. They said was they saw there was so horrible they would not speak of it but it involved experiments on humans and animals. My point about the Holocaust is always the same but no one ever seems to listen to it....what was said at the Nuremberg hearings about the corporations and how it was they who were the prime movers in terms of the enslavement and experimentation on human beings and, that if this point was lost, these corporations would be a greater threat to the world than any Nazi. My view is that the Nazis were crazy, yes, but that was of use to even more evil people...the ones who are not spoken about because the attention is directed away from them...the same ones who were after the war brought to the US to go on the boards of various companies, like Bayer. No one talks about them. People like the black and white story about Hitler. But thanks for making the point about the propaganda...I wasn't aware of it in the way you have described.

Also, I have to add...my comment about which jews exactly were chosen to go into the concentration camps is, I believe, a relevant comment and should be considered.

[Milneman]

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Milneman, despite the fact that you now openly live being guay, it must still be difficult to live it in Saskatchewan, despite many progress in attitudes.

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You know what Flash? The hardest part about living here is the gay community is small, and the dating pool is even smaller...Otherwise? People just don't care. I love it here.

[Milneman]

A question to people who have issues with the holocaust. And really, I'd like a direct answer that people can understand if its possible.

The theory you choose to forward...what are the results if we believe it? Who ends up being the winner in the situation? What gets saved? And who gets forgotten?

I'm back to what Jim, my british ex-pat client said about the numbers.

Who cares, it happened.

We don't know how many grains of sand are on the beach, but we know there is a beach. We don't know if the number of stars in the sky is odd or even, but we know they are there.

People died. The obvious reasons lie in the Nazi Party agenda, and in orders given verbally by Adolf Hitler himself...there are witnesses to this, and the testimony is available to anyone with a mind to look for it. Is there another agenda, a hidden agenda?

Why not ask them:



Maybe these ones will be able to tell you:



Maybe these ones?



These? These look like Zionists don't they?



I don't know...Maybe Bayer did these ones...It wasn't Oskar Schindler.



Maybe him?



Surely, they're aware of the propaganda....



So guys....how many more corpses do you need to see?

[Cidersomerset]

Anglo Saxon ( Germanic Tribes ) predjudces go back a long way............Britons,
Vikings, Danes, Normans, Spaniards , colonials , Irish, wopps , jews , blacks ,
Asians , east Europeans , muslims and probably ET's next !!!!

I am of mixed Italo / English heritage and my mother suffered prejudice from
her brothers who had served in the war against the axis forces. Bridgwater like
many market towns had a large POW work force working on the farms and
the Italians were more or less free to go about their work before curfew.

They eventually came around, but my father died in 1971 when I was 10
so I do not have any memories of this .

Yet saying that London is one of the most multi cultural cities on the planet,
and things could be worse, after a generation or so most become intergrated
into society.

[161803398]

well, its certainly relevant if we want to prevent it from happening again.

its also relevant from the point of view of truth....you know, when the truth isn't out about something like that...it causes harm in unexpected ways.

[Agape]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
I was born in Britain in 1946 to a jewish family, and experienced the hatred from people of my own country,
due to the Nazi propaganda that had filtered throughout western mind sets. The fifties was hell, even in the
sixties jewish jokes were cruel. One couldn't even admit to being jewish because of the unconscious hatred.
At the higher end of society jews weren't even allowed to join golf clubs, or get a hotel room because of one's name.

One of my driving forces through life was, “They are going to have to accept me, as I'm going to be bloody good at what I do!”

The Nazi right wing propaganda machine is still working here today. We have had this discussion umpteen times on this forum,
and cannot mention a certain 'whistle blower' who is a rich smug holocaust denier who seems to hold some very strange ideas, and is believed.

If you want to know about the insidious jewish hatred after the WW2 watch “Gentleman's Agreement,” with Gregory Peck.
It will give you an idea of this taboo subject.

Thank you for sharing Tony , I'm so sorry .. can't even imagine how bad it was .

Can because I've seen a lot already in this very life time and the way people are merciless to those they consider 'alien' or underprivileged .
It's truly not about Aryans , Jews, Blacks , Whites, Han Chinese or true Spaniards ,
it's all about intelligent and stupid people .

Forgive me saying that in this thread but I think it is also true . I've seen this kind of fake racial and national pride ( and many other kinds of pride ) making people hurt themselves and others so many times in real life
while they would always feel offended to be called 'racists' or dogmatists . The ordinary and extra-ordinary stupid people .

And if you look to human past, it was worse, much worse . The darkness of middle ages had to be horrid and cruelty of crusades , even they had simpler weapons they caused terrible pain and destruction. Followed by plague and famine and extreme poverty . Many of the famed ancestors of todays 'rich and powerful' were starving that time , lived in the mud , struggled for education.

Deeper you look to the history , greater the pain people were ready to cause to each other .

Back in the Biblical times it was not much better .. ( does ) the history repeat/s itself .

Will we ever learn.

That's why , I think is very important not to forget that this all has happened , that this much cruelty and deviation is part of human legacy no matter what's your race, caste and nation and there's nothing to be proud of about it .

That's why I think that Buddha and his teachings are so important reaching deep to human psyche, asking to find the issue within own self , ones own ignorance, pride, prejudice and check with the 'true state of mind' before they start blaming others .

And that's why I see how important compassionate attitudes are at all times and will be more so in future and how without cultivating heart first / love and compassion,

this world of clever businessmen is heading to hell .

There seems to be no win-win situation for human race because those who got to top fast , so often fast forget . So another whip and hit is allowed to happen .

[Carmody]

My entire genetic background is of groups who went to war with each other.

Then, they stopped, married (each other), and had kids.

What happens when the weapons are put down?

If you look, I'm sure that quite a few of you can say something akin to the same. (somewhere in your background)

[Tony]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
I was born in Britain in 1946 to a jewish family, and experienced the hatred from people of my own country,
due to the Nazi propaganda that had filtered throughout western mind sets. The fifties was hell, even in the
sixties jewish jokes were cruel. One couldn't even admit to being jewish because of the unconscious hatred.
At the higher end of society jews weren't even allowed to join golf clubs, or get a hotel room because of one's name.

One of my driving forces through life was, “They are going to have to accept me, as I'm going to be bloody good at what I do!”

The Nazi right wing propaganda machine is still working here today. We have had this discussion umpteen times on this forum,
and cannot mention a certain 'whistle blower' who is a rich smug holocaust denier who seems to hold some very strange ideas, and is believed.

If you want to know about the insidious jewish hatred after the WW2 watch “Gentleman's Agreement,” with Gregory Peck.
It will give you an idea of this taboo subject.

Thank you for sharing Tony , I'm so sorry .. can't even imagine how bad it was .

Can because I've seen a lot already in this very life time and the way people are merciless to those they consider 'alien' or underprivileged .
It's truly not about Aryans , Jews, Blacks , Whites, Han Chinese or true Spaniards ,
it's all about intelligent and stupid people .

Forgive me saying that in this thread but I think it is also true . I've seen this kind of fake racial and national pride ( and many other kinds of pride ) making people hurt themselves and others so many times in real life
while they would always feel offended to be called 'racists' or dogmatists . The ordinary and extra-ordinary stupid people .

And if you look to human past, it was worse, much worse . The darkness of middle ages had to be horrid and cruelty of crusades , even they had simpler weapons they caused terrible pain and destruction. Followed by plague and famine and extreme poverty . Many of the famed ancestors of todays 'rich and powerful' were starving that time , lived in the mud , struggled for education.

Deeper you look to the history , greater the pain people were ready to cause to each other .

Back in the Biblical times it was not much better .. ( does ) the history repeat/s itself .

Will we ever learn.

That's why , I think is very important not to forget that this all has happened , that this much cruelty and deviation is part of human legacy no matter what's your race, caste and nation and there's nothing to be proud of about it .

That's why I think that Buddha and his teachings are so important reaching deep to human psyche, asking to find the issue within own self , ones own ignorance, pride, prejudice and check with the 'true state of mind' before they start blaming others .

And that's why I see how important compassionate attitudes are at all times and will be more so in future and how without cultivating heart first / love and compassion,

this world of clever businessmen is heading to hell .

There seems to be no win-win situation for human race because those who got to top fast , so often fast forget . So another whip and hit is allowed to happen .

Thanks Agape.

Perhaps it's karma to experience what we experience. Perhaps some of us did something wicked...and then again...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RNdl-HIkDqQ

Tony

[Agape]

That's why the speed perhaps .. globally, with those who are aware .. the immense effort to reach true superb-human understanding real fast ,
since real act of reconciliation does not emerge without 'taking the lesson , knowing much better ' .
Till and if children were mere hybrids of their parental lineages and nothing more , and that's where the misogyny of human race/s comes from partially I believe,
with 'I really hate this part of me that comes from my grandfather and makes me behave so stupid' ( ) because it's ourselves we feel the most sensitive about , in fact , and the whole furry of standing against the mirror as if the mirror was to blame ..

the world would have little chance to get better . My take here is that individual path is very important , to achieve great insight you have to have walked long way alone
and that's where every societal paradigm and indoctrination becomes so dangerous, so stupid if you know . And that's why crossing borders and getting educated , say on your own expense ( will and effort ) becomes so important .
To free ourselves from the slavery of every nation ..to experience and share what means being 'free being' , citizen of the planet, citizen of the Universe and so forth .


The 'karma' as Tony said , the problem is we can't really leave the planet and have to live with people who don't want to break out quite yet ..
but have 'a solution' for us .

Posted by Carmody (here)
My entire genetic background is of groups who went to war with each other.

Then, they stopped, married (each other), and had kids.

What happens when the weapons are put down?

If you look, I'm sure that quite a few of you can say something akin to the same. (somewhere in your background)

For Tony ..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qj2diB6fcpg

[3optic]

Posted by Milneman (here)

Who cares, it happened.

We don't know how many grains of sand are on the beach, but we know there is a beach. We don't know if the number of stars in the sky is odd or even, but we know they are there.

People died. The obvious reasons lie in the Nazi Party agenda, and in orders given verbally by Adolf Hitler himself...there are witnesses to this, and the testimony is available to anyone with a mind to look for it. Is there another agenda, a hidden agenda?

Why not ask them:


Maybe him?




So guys....how many more corpses do you need to see?

Hi Milneman. Firstly, the numbers do matter if we are differentiating between tens of thousands and 6 million. Also the 6 million number carries with it the the notion that this was a deliberate extermination.

Secondly, David Irving is offering a handsome reward on his site if you can prove Hitler gave these orders.

Finally, in your somewhat sensationalistic display, you included a photo above of a girl Lizzie van Zyl who was interned in a British concentration camp during the Boer Wars.

If you are going to a make a plea to our natural senses, you may want to use photos and data that are actually relevant and corroborated. Specifics are important otherwise we're just throwing horrifying images and facts around for the sake of making a commotion.

[Milneman]

Take a deep look into the book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"...all your answers are there.

Again, let me ask you. What does you theory prop up? What are you trying to protect, and what are you saying the cover up is trying to protect?

I've asked this several times now in this thread and I"m not sure if people just don't know, or just don't have the gonads to tell me what they really believe.

If you are going to a make a plea to our natural senses, you may want to use photos and data that are actually relevant and corroborated. Specifics are important otherwise we're just throwing horrifying images and facts around for the sake of making a commotion.

Speak of the devil, let's go back to the OP.

Again....will someone please have the guts to tell me what their conspiracies about the numbers prove? Or are we just going to pretend that this isn't anti-semitism.

If you'd like me to pull out Mein Kampf again and pull the direct quotes about the "deliberate extermination" of the jews, I'd be delighted.

However, I'm sensing a definite feeling of indifference. Sure, I might have screwed up. I'll man up. My bad, forgive please.

Let me repeat. Who cares. It happened.

272 posts...and we're still arguing about the number of corpses...... Why?? Would someone please tell me why??

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by 3optic (here)
Hi Milneman. Firstly, the numbers do matter if we are differentiating between tens of thousands and 6 million. Also the 6 million number carries with it the the notion that this was a deliberate extermination.

Uh ... NO. They don't matter actually. Numbers don't carry an aspect of intention. That's your own input. Tens of thousands or 6 million? IT'S STILL EXTERMINATION! Stop with this stupidity FFS! We are talking about people here, not lab rats!

Secondly, David Irving is offering a handsome reward on his site if you can prove Hitler gave these orders.

Are we going to hang in the air a prize for who proves genetically those were Jews next? You people amaze me with your shallow thinking. Especially when such a discussion is carried on here, on this forum.

Finally, in your somewhat sensationalistic display, you included a photo above of a girl Lizzie van Zyl who was interned in a British concentration camp during the Boer Wars.

What about the rest? Maybe he mistakenly showed some photos from the Macedonian Exodus of 1913/14? Or from Bosnia? Or are the rest genuine? Does one photo make a difference to you? Or because of that one photo the rest lose validity? What the frak is your point here? Do you even have one?

If you are going to a make a plea to our natural senses, you may want to use photos and data that are actually relevant and corroborated. Specifics are important otherwise we're just throwing horrifying images and facts around for the sake of making a commotion.

If you want to make a conspiracy out of something, you may want to use a bit more common sense and a few more facts than what has been done so far to fuel this nonsense in the alt. media, because this is yelling "conspiracy!" for the sake of having another dumb conspiracy around.

[loungelizard]

Posted by 3optic (here)
Secondly, David Irving is offering a handsome reward on his site if you can prove Hitler gave these orders.

@3optic

I couldn't get the link to work, but I presume you are referring to the publicity stunt pulled by David Irving who offered to pay the princely sum of $1000 - what a cheapskate! - for a document signed by Hitler ordering the extinction of the Jews in Europe? It's a strawman argument: there is no such document. Even Eichmann testified to that fact at his trial. Hitler gave his orders verbally to Himmler or Borman.


This reminded me of a reward of $50,000 offered by the IHR for proof that gas chambers existed at Auschwitz. The IHR had to paid out in 1985 to Auschwitz survivor Mel Mermelstein.

He submitted a notarised account of his interment in Auschwitz. The IHR refused to pay up. Mel Mermelstien sued them for breach of contract, libel and various other charges.

Mel Mermelstein won. The IHR had to pay up and apologise for their false claims, and the suffering that these claims had caused.


Here is a copy of the court ruling, along with a letter of apology from the IHR.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people...n.order.072285

[Andrew]

I find it funny how you cant get past the horrors of one side and completely forget about the horrors the otherside did. It's like it was all one-sided to you guys, you seem to overlook the allies dropped two Atomic bombs and had there own camps killed many babies, children, teenagers, adults, elderly, retarded, gays, whole generations of families wiped out (exterminated!), but who cares right? Hitler was the evil guy the allies weren't so thats ok.

Why dont we start from the beginning before all the evil occured and work your way through the War step by step to see why the atrocities happened?

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by Andrew (here)
you seem to overlook the allies dropped two Atomic bombs and had there own camps killed many babies, children, teenagers, adults, elderly, retarded, gays, whole generations of families wiped out (exterminated!), but who cares right? Hitler was the evil guy the allies weren't so thats ok.

This thread is focused on Hitler, hence why the accent is there.

Nobody denies any of the rest, as any less atrocities than what he did.

[Andrew]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by Andrew (here)
you seem to overlook the allies dropped two Atomic bombs and had there own camps killed many babies, children, teenagers, adults, elderly, retarded, gays, whole generations of families wiped out (exterminated!), but who cares right? Hitler was the evil guy the allies weren't so thats ok.

This thread is focused on Hitler, hence why the accent is there.

Nobody denies any of the rest, as any less atrocities than what he did.

So lets get past the atrocities because we now understand that part and focus on the initial video and some other truths?

[Tony]

Throughout history there have always been others to hate.
When did this start? The moment we took on a human form!

The driving force in this universe should be love,
but we adhere to desire, hatred and ignorance.

Every atom obeys this law attraction, repulsion and inertia.
This is what keeps us bound up in this negative existence.

Unconditional love will counteract and dissolve all this.
It is the journey for all of us.

By the way I found the whole film GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT for free!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxu...ent_shortfilms


Tony

[Andrew]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Throughout history there have always been others to hate.
When did this start? The moment we took on a human form!

The driving force in this universe should be love,
but we adhere to desire, hatred and ignorance.

Every atom obeys this law attraction, repulsion and inertia.
This is what keeps us bound up in this negative existence.

Unconditional love will counteract and dissolve all this.
It is the journey for all of us.

By the way I found the whole film GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT for free!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxu...ent_shortfilms


Tony

And throughout history there are those who live by those rules of love and compassion.. who were then oppressed...!

Phew we are finally getting somewhere.

So who is the oppressors and who are the defenders?

[Tony]

Posted by Andrew (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Throughout history there have always been others to hate.
When did this start? The moment we took on a human form!

The driving force in this universe should be love,
but we adhere to desire, hatred and ignorance.

Every atom obeys this law attraction, repulsion and inertia.
This is what keeps us bound up in this negative existence.

Unconditional love will counteract and dissolve all this.
It is the journey for all of us.

By the way I found the whole film GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT for free!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxu...ent_shortfilms


Tony

And throughout history there are those who live by those rules of love and compassion.. who were then oppressed...!

Phew we are finally getting somewhere.

So who is the oppressors and who are the defenders?

Hello Andrew,

We are now getting into a much deeper question.
There are two forces in the universe, one is selfless and the other is selfish.
They go by many names: Angels and Demons, Archons and ?, Mara and Enlightened…goodies and baddies!

All sentient beings have both potentials of dark and light.
There are some beings who are trapped in their own selfishness, these are demons, and they feed off negativity
and hate compassion.

Through ancient history these two forces have been described in many ways, and there are many ways of looking at this.
I suppose those who want power and are greedy are more influenced by these negative forces - hell they probably worship them!

In some ways this planet is a feeding ground. But there is hope and that is in our own consciousness. I wrote a piece a
few days ago that might throw some light on the matter. You may not agree, that's ok.



Tony




Dealing with Demons and Samaya Breakers.

Demonic activity is selfish activity. That's it. Selfishness, self-centredness, self-importance
are all demonic activities. We, as sentient beings, are dominated by...'me' first! However,
as sentient beings, we also have the potential for enlightenment, for selflessness –
buddha nature, awakened nature.

There are. however, beings trapped in their demonic selfish state; in Sanskrit they are called Mara.
Mara are Samaya breakers - practitioners who know how to practise but have broken their sacred vows.
They cling to temporary illusory powers arising from meditation practices, and have stopped their
journey to enlightenment to enjoy poisoned fruit. However, they are not happy at all.

One sees this development on internet forums, with people claiming this and that, and trying to
influence others. They contaminate the atmosphere. They feed off negative emotions by winding
a situation up, creating further stress to themselves and others.

Don't we all at some time cherish our anger and righteously wish to influence others?
This is the ego in our mind (consciousness clinging) laying in ambush, clinging to likes and dislikes.
That is what keeps Essence trapped, and distracted from recognising its true nature.

It is important to stay clear of samaya breakers as their contamination is contagious. Like attracts like.
Unless we have true compassion and stability in practice, we should be very careful to avoid merely
falling in with populist views, especially in this time of the Kali Yuga.

The other reason why we should take care is because Mara creates trouble for spiritual practitioners.
Even feeling discomfort while meditating is Mara activity. These beings hate compassion, although
they yearn for peace. This why we encompass them and accept them into our practice.

There are prayers for protection which are very powerful, but the best method is to rest in emptiness.
This not only protects us, by putting us at ease, but relieves demons of the stress in which they exist.
An an example: if you have even been very angry and come into the company of someone who is at
perfect peace, this can increase your anger, but at the same time there may be a sense of relief.
In order for this to happen, the person has to be genuine, and not just trying to be kind.

Resting in emptiness, we can do much for the dying or deceased...it's a kind reminder of their true nature…
without a lot of words!

The Soul or Essence
cannot be captured,
but only distracted.
For that to happen
we merely have to
comply with
the status quo*.



STATUS QUO
The existing state of affairs, esp. regarding social or political issues :
they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.
ORIGIN Latin, literally ‘the state in which'.