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    Default Re: A video they won't want you to see (Galen Winsor: nuclear scare scam)

    Quote Posted by heyokah (here)
    "Don't let nuclear fear-mongering cloud your judgement."

    "Don't let non-nuclear fear-mongering cloud your judgement."


    This asks for a lot of discernment...... and hard scientific fact and even harder answers.....



    These two articles have been posted here before.

    http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/busted.html
    BUSTED!!!!


    "Federal government" BUSTED for forcing American nuclear industry to become a ticking time bomb

    Jim Stone, Updated on July 22, 2013

    Americans have been told their nuclear waste must go somewhere. Americans have been told their spent reactor fuel needs to be stored inside a mountain in the desert, where it will sit as a threat and menace to the world for millions of years. Americans have been told there is nothing they can do about it. But what if they have been told a lie? What if that "spent fuel" was not spent at all? What if a technology existed which allowed the same fuel to be used over and over, twenty times in fact, and expended so fully that fuel rods would be safe enough to handle directly out of the reactor? Think any "spent fuel pools" would be full? And even if this technology never existed,

    What if foreign nations, (France was one) offered to buy this fuel from America for billions of dollars only to have the American Government refuse the offer for no reason at all? Certainly allowing France to have it would solve the problem of getting rid of it. And the final question, WHY would the American Government want so much nuclear material sitting around the country - enough to make countless atomic bombs - only to have it become a threat to America's national security? Could it be that for many years America has not had a legitimate government, and instead has had a band of invaders in power who have intentionally set America up for a fall? After reading this report, I believe you will be inclined to think so.

    This report consists of hard scientific fact and even harder answers.

    During my journey of discovery in my investigation into the Fukushima disaster, I interviewed an 85 year old nuclear engineer who worked in the nuclear industry during America's glory days, an engineer who earned GE over 100 patents. He was one of the engineers who designed Fukushima, so naturally when conducting an investigation into such a disaster a journalist would want that type of reference. He was surprised when my prior study of reactor systems was so thorough that he had no information about Fukushima I did not already dig up, and he was very surprised when I told him details about the inner workings of his own reactor design he never expected anyone in the media to know.

    When I started to think I was going to walk away with nothing new, he began to talk about an entirely different subject. He began his new direction in the discussion with the phrase "My team succeeded in closing the nuclear loop, and Carter banned our miracle with an executive order

    Here is what followed that introductory line, and an enormous reason why Americans need to seriously question the current government structure and possibly start over.

    "I started in the American nuclear program all the way back at the time of the Manhattan project, and have been involved in reactor design and nuclear engineering my whole life. There was one answer we all searched for, and it was how to close the nuclear loop.
    When a reactor such as a boiling water reactor uses fuel, the waste products, which are highly radioactive isotopes that have a different fission characteristic than the original fuel, build up in the fuel and change the nature of the nuclear reaction. A reactor such as a boiling water reactor can only use the fuel until it gets contaminated by these isotopes enough to change the nature of the nuclear reactions taking place. The reaction environment inside a boiling water reactor is only one such environment which will work to trigger a chain reaction, and if that spent fuel is put into a reactor made from different materials, those materials can favor the burning of the isotopes which interfere with the chain reactions in the boiling water reactor and use these interfering isotopes as fuel until they are consumed. After this process, which restores the fuel to it's original state is complete, the fuel can go back into the boiling water reactor and used as new with no reprocessing - the exact same rods can be exchanged between reactors.

    We perfected the second reactor design which used liquid sodium as a coolant and the reactor ran much hotter - 1100 farenheit as opposed to 550 in a boiling water reactor. The liquid sodium circulated inside the reactor instead of water, with the heat of the reaction being removed from the system by a heat exchanger which produced steam outside the reactor for use in producing electricity. The temperature difference and coolant characteristics in the complimentary reactor facilitated the burning of the isotopes, and you got to use both sides of the reaction - the boiling water reactor produced electricity while producing unwanted isotopes, and the sodium cooled reactor produced electricity while burning the unwanted isotopes out. This process could be repeated 20 times, and when it was finished the fuel was DEAD and no longer hazardous because all of it's radiological potential was used up. It was a clean energy dream come true, and Carter banned it by executive order!"

    He specifically stated that the burn down was so complete that the spent fuel was safe to handle directly with bare hands, and needed no special care or maintenance at all, and after I questioned him about exactly how safe, said you could safely sleep on it. I questioned him several times, saying he must be exaggerating, but he said ALL radiological potential was used, and the fuel was completely inert at the end of the final cycle.

    Many people know about the liquid sodium breeder reactor developed by General Electric in the late 1970's but few people know the real story about this reactor, which this engineer developed. To back stab the public image of this reactor, it was stated that it's rods would stick and that liquid sodium was too dangerous to use as a coolant. But this engineer, the man who developed it, stated that this media campaign was a pure psy op which like many things the media and government says had no truth to it at all.

    He then went on to lament about what a waste of money it was to have the technology banned because nuclear fuel is expensive and they were only able to use it to about five percent of its total potential without implementing this technology. He lamented the fact that his life's greatest accomplishment got banned for no good reason, and it was a tremendous waste of money to not use the technology his team developed. Electricity would have been cheap. So cheap that homes would not have been heated with oil or natural gas, electricity would have been the only sensible choice. Furthermore, with a reduction in the price of electricity by at least 10X, electric cars would have quickly become a standard.

    This would have been America's free energy future, with the only real cost being maintenance of infrastructure.

    He was sad that we were now paying too much for electricity. I guess that's how an engineer thinks. He had read my article about Fukushima and liked it, so it is an easy guess that his eyes were open to the global conspiracy. But I think he missed the obvious in what he said.

    Here is what I think about this technology being banned, and it has nothing to do with preservation of resources or free energy.

    Nuclear reactors are huge. They have an enormous amount of nuclear material in them. One boiling water reactor core the size of the ones at Fukushima, which have a thermal potential of three gigawatts and an electrical generating capacity of one gigawatt can easily hold enough fissionable material to make many atomic bombs. And with the technology that makes re-using that fuel illegal, it builds up in the cooling pools at a rate of 25 tons per electrical gigawatt YEAR. This means that after 40 years of fuel buildup even small 500 megawatt facilities have approximately a million pounds of highly radioactive fuel sitting in their pools waiting for the right combination of problems to cause a disaster.
    Because the Japanese were at least allowed by their government to use a reprocessing technology inferior to what this engineer spoke of, Fukushima only had approximately 250,000 pounds of "spent" fuel at each reactor site, which remained intact throughout the disaster. But because in America no reprocessing is allowed at all in any form, the fukushima equivalents in America, such as TVA operated Browns Ferry and NSP operated Prairie Island have no fewer than two million pounds of "spent" fuel at each reactor site, which means that Browns Ferry alone could, in a worst case scenario, far exceed the damage done by Fukushima.

    Contrary to what the scamming mainstream press has reported, Fukushima reactor 3 was destroyed entirely while at 3,000 PSI (far beyond specifications) which resulted in a complete core expulsion. This threw approximately 100,000 pounds of fuel into the environment, much of it in the form of brown dust that badly contaminated the entire surrounding area and was found around the world. Seldom reported in the press is the fact that the Fukushima site was so badly contaminated that it could not be approached, and remote control and robots were used in the months following the disaster to get the radiation down to a survivable level after the first three people to explore the site died. At 100,000 pounds of expelled material, reactor 3 could have produced at most 2 percent of the total contamination possible from a large American nuclear facility. This puts the possible disaster from Browns ferry at 50 to 100 times worse than Fukushima. Multiply that by Prairie Island and the over 100 other similar sized nuclear facilities in America and it is not hard to calculate that a serious national security threat exists.

    America's nuclear waste problem was intentionally created

    When GE and others designed the nuclear facilities both in America and abroad, they had calculated that they would indeed succeed in closing the nuclear loop. So they designed the nuclear facilities with an approximate 20X safety margin in the fuel pools, because they did not have a clear date on when the technology would be perfected. It was my impression from this engineer that they got it sooner than expected. So fortunately the fuel pools were over built, but despite being over built they were never designed to withstand the fuel burdens that would result from a political decision to destroy the closed loop fuel cycle technology altogether.
    So now, 40 years after the ban, America has fuel pools around the country that are so full that they have exceeded even the extremely generous safety margins they were originally designed to have, and even modest pools often have over 400 tons of highly active isotope ridden "spent" fuel in them.

    Having functional fuel pool cooling systems was never intended to be necessary. GE and others wanted only a fractional core of fuel sitting in a pool at any one time, with at most one or two entire cores, not 15 or 20. If all cooling systems failed with only the intended maximum of one or two cores sitting in a pool there would be no boiling of the water in the pool, no pending disaster possible from equipment failure no matter how severe. But the way it is now, if there is any sort of attack or disaster which prevents fuel pool maintenance at any of the facilities in America for a period exceeding three days, the water will boil off, the fuel will catch fire and a nuclear disaster of unimaginable magnitude far in excess of Fukushima will take place. And it never needed to be this way, in fact, the situation is criminal.

    Foreign nations offered help, but the American government said NO

    Upon recognizing the lunacy of America's Federally mandated nuclear sabotage, countries like France and Germany offered to buy America's 5% spent fuel for billions of dollars. They were not held political hostage by a hostile government, and could certainly use a source of cheap fuel. But rather than accept this offer,the American government mandated NO transport of the fuel to foreign nations, no further use whatsoever. American nuclear facilities were forced by Federal regulation to use approximately 5 percent of the fuel's radiological potential, leaving 95 percent of the radiological hazard remaining, and subsequently forced to keep it in a fuel pool that needs continuous maintenance. While arguing against this report, shills have said it was the import/export restrictions which caused such a dangerous situation in America, but since those laws were written by the same government that banned the closing of the "nuclear loop", the export restrictions are only a further indictment of the FED for causing this problem.
    Simultaneous with the intentional building of the threat from having so much nuclear material sitting around came all the government scandals and lies about needing to put the fuel somewhere. Inside a mountain in the desert. Inside a dry cask. Maybe in the ocean, all the while the general American public was kept oblivious to the obvious answer: If they were not allowed to use it because of a nonsensical piece of legislation, why not let someone else have it, when other nations are willing to even pay for it?

    Here is what I believe is the answer. And this answer needs to be spread far and wide.

    Whatever you think of Kennedy, on the day of his death he was America's last hope. No President since has been anything other than a puppet for an enemy infiltrator, The enemy is not only inside the gates, it has been taking a paycheck from the American people for over 45 years.
    Consider this: America's government intentionally put in place policies that de-industrialized America. That's an act of war. The American government put in place policies that intentionally destroyed America's schools. That's an act of war. And I consider forcing via mandate the buildup of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of nuclear warheads worth of perfectly good reactor fuel just waiting for a disaster to be an act of war as well - Only an enemy would intentionally mandate the creation of such a threat, who on earth would, other than someone who hated America? Not only did America lose a marvelous clean virtually free energy future, that future got converted into a threat that could very easily destroy the nation and take much of the world with it. All it would take to kill America, with America's nuclear facilities drastically overloaded with 5% spent fuel, is 150 smart bombs. One successful bombing run and it is over. And that's not even taking into consideration other disaster scenarios, such as earthquakes and computer virus attacks.

    The enemy of America is now in complete control of the nation

    Ever since Kennedy's assassination America has not had a true representative government, especially starting with Carter. When I worked for the NSA, I saw a few computers which were identical to the early vote counting computers, and they could be set to loop a single ballot over and over again. With a scammed vote, America got over-run by outsiders who wanted the country destroyed. Prior to 1973 America was only going upward, and anyone who wanted to see America destroyed or enslaved would never permit Americans to get virtually free energy. The enemy would lose oil profits. They would potentially lose control of energy, leaving the financial system the only means of forced social compliance outside of a hot war and the enemy wanted control options. True clean energy had to be stopped.
    The enemy of America is a sinister enemy. It is a small group of religiously "elite" people who weaponize everything. They have weponized sympathy, victim status, water systems, vaccines, genetically modified organisms and even terror - anything they have been able to think of, and have used these things and many more to cause destruction. And the nuclear industry, now blocked from a dream come true technology, can be used as a weapon.

    The truth in this is undeniable

    There is plenty of proof. No shill can stop people from checking out the history of other nations, such as Germany, France and Russia offering America BILLIONS for this not so "spent" fuel, which can only sit as a hazard after a political decision banning technologies which allow for it's purification at the same time additional political decisions have banned it's export. This hazard has been unnecessarily and intentionally accumulating for years. It's the equivalent of keeping a 5,000 gallon tank of petrol in your bedroom. Better hope all is well with it.
    I honestly feel that banning this miracle technology; you should have heard the sparkle, the awe in the old man's voice when he said they closed the "nuclear loop", and the sadness, despair and anger expressed at it's being banned; I feel it was an act of war against America. There were never any accidents associated with this technology, according to this engineer everything negative said about it was a bold faced lie spoken by people of ill intent. America's nuclear waste problem is not scientific, it is political.

    I believe this nuclear engineer opened up and told me about this because I was the first journalist he ever encountered that actually understood nuclear technology. He knew I would understand what he said and subsequently bring this story to the public. But outside of making the public aware by telling his story in an article such as this, what more can I do?



    http://www.fortfreedom.org/p22.htm
    ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] THE MYTH OF PLUTONIUM TOXICITY [[[[[[[[[[
    Bernard L. Cohen (1/3/1989)
    By Bernard L. Cohen, Department of Physics, University of
    Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15260.

    (From Karl Otto Ott and Bernard I. Spinard, eds. Nuclear Energy
    (New York: Plenum Press, 1985), pp. 355-365)

    [Kindly uploaded by Freeman 10602PANC]

    Plutonium is constantly referred to by the news media as ``the
    most toxic substance known to man.'' Ralph Nader has said that a
    pound of plutonium could cause 8 billion cancers, and former
    Senator Ribicoff has said that a single particle of plutonium
    inhaled into the lung can cause cancer. There is no scientific
    basis for any of these statements as I have shown in a paper in
    the refereed scientific journal Health Physics (Vol. 32, pp.
    359-379, 1977). Nader asked the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to
    evaluate my paper, which they did in considerable depth and
    detail, but when they gave it a ``clean bill of health'' he
    ignored their report. When he accuses me of ``trying to detoxify
    plutonium with a pen,'' I offered to eat as much plutonium as he
    would eat of caffeine, which my paper shows is comparably
    dangerous, or given reasonable TV coverage, to personally inhale
    1000 times as much plutonium as he says would be fatal, or in
    response to former Senator Ribicoff's statement to inhale 1000
    particles of plutonium of any size that can be suspended in air.
    My offer was made to all major TV networks but there has never
    been a reply beyond a request for a copy of my paper. Yet the
    false statements continue in the news media and surely 95% of the
    public accept them as fact although virtually no one in the
    radiation health scientific community gives them credence. We
    have here a complete breakdown in communication between the
    scientific community and the news media, and an unprecedented
    display of irresponsibility by the latter. One must also
    question the ethics of Nader and Ribicoff; I have sent them my
    papers and written them personal letters, but I have never
    received a reply.
    Let's get at the truth here about plutonium toxicity. We
    begin by outlining a calculation of the cancer risk from intake
    of plutonium (we refer to it by its chemical symbol, Pu) based on
    standard procedures recommended by all national and international
    organizations charges with responsibility in this area, and
    accepted by the vast majority of radiobiomedical scientists.

    1. ESTIMATE OF PLUTONIUM TOXICITY FROM STANDARD PROCEDURES
    The first step is to calculate the radiation dose in rem (the
    unit of dose) to each organ of the human body per gram of Pu
    intake. According to ICRP (International Commission on Radiation
    Protection) Publication No. 19, about 25% of inhaled particles of
    the size of interest (0.5-5 [micro]m in diameter) deposit in the
    lung, and 60% of this is eliminated only with a 500-day
    half-life. From this information and the known rate and energy
    of [alpha]-particle emission, we can calculate the radiation
    energy deposited in the lung, which is directly convertible to
    dose in rem.
    According to ICRP Publication 19, 5% of inhaled Pu gets into
    the bloodstream from which 45% gets into the bone and an equal
    amount collects in the liver; the times required for elimination
    from these are 70 and 35 years, respectively. This is all the
    information needed to calculate doses to bone and liver in rem
    per gram of Pu inhaled.
    If Pu is ingested with food or water in soluble form, the ICRP
    estimates that 3 x 10^-5 (30 parts per million) gets through the
    intestine walls into the bloodstream. From this and the
    information given above, calculation of rem to the bone and liver
    per gram of Pu ingested is straightforward. In addition, there
    is dosage to the gastrointestinal tract calculable by ICRP
    prescriptions.
    Once the dose in rem is calculated, the next step is to
    convert this to cancer risk using the BEIR Report, the standard
    reference in this area produced by the National Academy of
    Sciences Committee on Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation.
    It recommends a model in which there is a 15-year latent period
    following exposure during which there are no effects, followed by
    a 30-year ``plateau'' period during which there is a constant
    risk of 1.3 x 10^-6 (1.3 chances per million) per year per rem
    for lung cancer and 0.2, 1.0, and 0.3 x 10^-6 per year per rem
    for bone, gastrointestinal tract and liver* cancer, respectively.
    For children less than 10 years old, these are divided by
    five, and for an older person, there is a calculable probability
    that death will result from other causes before the cancer
    develops. With this information we can calculate the cancer risk
    as a function of age at intake. Averaging over ages, we obtain
    the average cancer risk per gram of Pu intake.
    * In the BEIR Report, liver cancer is included among ``all
    other'' for which the risk is 1.0 x 10^-6, the value used here is
    based partly on other information.
    TABLE I
    Cancer Doses in Micrograms (Defined as the
    Inverse of Risk per Microgram)
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Entrance Mode 239-Pu Reactor-Pu
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Inhalation (dust in air) 1300 200
    Ingestion with food or water 6.5 x 10^6 1 x 10^6
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    The results are given in Table I for the most important
    isotope of Pu, 239-Pu, which contains 1 curie of radioactivity
    for each 16g, and for the mixture of Pu isotopes that would be
    commonly found in power reactors, which is 6 times more intensely
    radioactive (1 curie in each 2.5 g). We refer to the latter as
    ``reactor-Pu'' and use it in our discussions where appropriate.
    Table I shows the inverse of the risk, which we call the
    ``cancer dose.'' For example, we see that the risk of inhaling
    reactor-Pu is 1/200 per [micro]g, so if one inhales 10 [micro]g,
    he has one chance in 20 of developing cancer as a result.
    Another application is that in a large population we may expect
    one cancer for every 200 [micro]g inhaled, so if a total of 1000
    [micro]g is inhaled by people, we may expect 5 cancers
    (regardless of the number of people involved).
    Estimates of cancer doses of Pu have also been derived using
    different methods by the British Medical Research Council in its
    report ``The Toxicity of Plutonium,'' and by Dr. C.W. Mays (who
    developed some of the important basic information in his
    experiments on dogs) in a report published by the International
    Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA-SM-202/806), and they agree closely
    with Table I. We see from Table I that Pu is dangerous
    principally when inhaled as a fine dust. It is not very toxic
    when ingested with food or drink because of its very small
    probability of passing through the intestine walls into the
    bloodstream. Pu forms large molecules, which have great
    difficulty in passing through membranes.
    In addition to causing cancer, intake of plutonium can also
    cause genetic defects among progeny in the next 5-10 generations,
    but the total number of eventual genetic defects before they are
    bred out is only 20% of the number of cancers. For simplicity we
    restrict our discussion to cancers, but the genetic effects can
    always be included by applying the 20% addition.
    The estimates in Table I are based on data from radiation
    effects on humans as analyzed in the BEIR Report. These include
    Japanese A-bomb survivors, miners exposed to radon gas, people
    treated for various maladies with radium or with X-rays, etc.
    None of these effects were from Pu -- there is no evidence for
    any injury to humans from Pu toxicity. However, there is a
    considerable amount of data from animal studies with Pu, and this
    is summarized for lung cancer in Fig. 1 where the line shows the
    estimate from our calculation. In general the agreement is quite
    reasonable.
    [Omitted: ``FIGURE 1. Data from animal studies with Pu,
    summarized for lung cancer.'' The graph shows 40 data-points,
    with confidence intervals, from animal studies (dogs, mice, rats,
    rabbits) with a calculated line over them. The x-axis, which is
    logarithmically scaled, is labeled ``Dose to Lung (millions of
    millirem)'' and the y-axis is labeled ``Incidence of Lung Cancer
    (%)''. Taking representative points from the calculated line in
    the figure, we get: (~0.3 Mmrem, ~1%), (~1.0 Mmrem, ~5%), (~10.0
    Mmrem, ~38%), (~11.0 Mmrem, ~65%). Mmrem: millions of millirem.]
    There has been a great deal of publicity about the high point
    for beagle dogs (the highest point in Fig. 1) but we see that our
    curve passes within the error bars given by the authors. One
    aspect of the experiment that is frequently overlooked is that
    the latent period for development of the cancers increased with
    decreasing dose, and in fact the dogs contributing to the point
    under discussion developed cancer rather late in life. If this
    effect is extrapolated to lower doses, the latent period for most
    doses usually considered would greatly exceed life expectancy, so
    the effects we derive in this paper would be substantially
    reduced.

    2. CRITICISMS OF STANDARD PROCEDURES
    There have been several criticisms of treatments like the one
    we have given. The best known of these is the ``hot-particle''
    theory, which gives greatly increased effects (by a factor of
    100,000) due to the fact that the Pu is not evenly distributed
    over the lung but is concentrated in particles, which give much
    higher than average doses to a few cells. This theory has been
    studied and rejected by the following groups:
    o A Committee of the U.S. National Academy of Sciencesb
    especially assembled for this study in a report entitled
    ``Health Effects of Alpha-emitting Particles in the
    Respiratory Tract
    o U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and
    Measurement (NCRP), a very distinguished group composed of
    about 70 in our nation's leading radiobiomedical research
    scientists, in NCRP Publication No. 46
    o British Medical Research Council in ``The Toxicity of
    Plutonium''
    o U.K. National Radiological Protection Board in its Report
    R-29 and Bulletin No. 8 (1974)
    o U.S. AEC in a very elaborate study, WASH-1320, authored by
    three of the world's leading researchers on Pu toxicity
    o U.S. NRC in Federal Register, Vol. 41, No. 76
    o U.K. Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution -- Sixth
    Report -- Nuclear Power and the Environment
    One easily understood aspect of these criticisms is that there
    were about 25 workers at Los Alamos who inhaled varying amounts
    of Pu about 30 years ago, and according to the ``hot-particle''
    theory each should have experienced about 200 lung cancers,
    whereas there have been no lung cancers as yet among them.
    According to our estimates in Table I, there is a 40% chance that
    one of them would have had lung cancer, so this is experimental
    evidence that Table I does not grossly underestimate the cancer
    risk from Pu intake. [For more on the Los Alamos workers see
    George L. Voelz, Robert S. Grier, Louis H. Hempelmann, ``A
    37-Year Medical Follow-Up Of Manhattan Project Pu Workers'',
    Health Physics, Vol. 48, No. 3 (March 1985), pp. 249-259.]
    Another criticism of the ``hot-particle'' theory is that there
    are experiments on animals in which two groups were exposed to
    the same total amount of Pu but in one of them it was much more
    in the form of hot particles -- and that group experienced fewer
    cancers. It was also pointed out that particles in the lung do
    not stay in one place but are constantly moving about so that
    their exposure does not fall on only a few cells.
    After these rejections of the ``hot-particle'' theory
    appeared, John Gofman, a former research scientist who has spent
    the past several years as the full-time leader of an antinuclear
    organization, came out with a new theory ascribing enhanced
    toxicity to Pu. His paper was not written for a scientific
    journal but was inserted in the congressional Record by Senator
    Gravel. His basic premise was that smoking destroys the cilia,
    the fine hairs that stop dust particles from entering the
    bronchial region -- this much was well established -- and that Pu
    particles therefore remain in that region for a very long time,
    allowing their radiation to cause bronchial cancers. This allows
    him to ignore the animal data as animals do not smoke. He also
    manages to explain the lack of lung cancers among the 25 Los
    Alamos workers by a combination of four improbable hypotheses,
    the failure of any one of which would destroy his theory.
    There have been at least seven individual critiques of the
    Gofman theory. Perhaps the most telling criticism is that there
    was a series of experiments at New York University in which a
    number of graduate students inhaled a controlled amount of
    radioactive dust and the rate at which this dust was cleared from
    the bronchial region was directly determined by placing radiation
    detectors over their chests and measuring the radiation intensity
    as a function of time. It was found that there was no difference
    between smokers and nonsmokers, and the experimenters concluded
    that smokers do more coughing and have increases mucous flow,
    which compensates for their lack of cilia. In fact, if dust
    accumulated in the bronchial region of smokers in the manner
    postulated by Gofman, their bronchial tubes would be completely
    closed and they would die by suffocation.
    There were many more weak points in the details of the Gofman
    paper. He misuses the BEIR Report, he miscalculates the area of
    the bronchial region by a factor of 17 and thereby incorrectly
    increases the toxicity by that factor, he misuses the ICRP lung
    model, etc. He even suggests that the great increase in lung
    cancer in recent years may be due to Pu, but this increase has
    been steady since the 1930s whereas Pu-induced cancers should not
    have occurred until 1960. Moreover, the lung cancer increases
    have been in areas with chemical industry and high air pollution,
    and there has been no increase in areas downwind from the Nevada
    test site where Pu would have its maximum effect.
    A relatively less publicized attack on the conventional
    approach to evaluating Pu toxicity is the ``warm-particle''
    theory of Edward Martell. He hypothesizes that natural radiation
    is one of the principal causes of lung cancer, but this idea has
    not been accepted by the cancer research community.
    K.Z. Morgan has proposed that the relative biological
    effectiveness (RBE) for Pu in bone might be 250 times larger than
    the usual value. C.W. Mays, on whose experiments much of
    Morgan's hypothesis is based, reanalyzed Morgan's work and
    concluded that if his approach is correct, the increase should be
    only by a factor of 10. There is experimental information on
    this from some supposedly ``terminally ill'' patients injected
    with Pu in 1945-46 to study Pu metabolism. Four of these are
    still alive and one who was injected with a rather large quantity
    died of unrelated causes only in 1968. If the RBE of Pu were 10
    times the present value, there is a better than even chance that
    one of these five would have gotten bone cancer, but none did.
    As our calculated inhalation effects are dominated by lung
    cancer, a factor of 10 increase in bone cancer risk would only
    double the total inhalation risk.
    S.M. Wolfe, and employee of a Nader-sponsored group, drew
    far-reaching conclusions from the fact that 11 of the first 30
    deaths in the US Transuranic Registry (a registry of people who
    have worked with plutonium) revealed cancers on autopsy, whereas
    based on listed cause-of-death for all U.S. males, only 6.2 of
    each 30 deaths is from cancer. His paper, which was never
    published in the scientific literature, received very wide
    publicity in the news media. However, it turned out that
    autopsies were done preferentially on people who had died of
    cancer, and that explained the entire effect. In addition, it
    was pointed out that Pu is expected to cause cancers of the lung,
    bone, and liver, whereas among the 11 cases there were no bone or
    liver cancers, and less than the expected number of lung cancers
    for a normal population. Needless to say, the news media never
    bothered to report that the Wolf paper was based on an incorrect
    premise.
    In evaluating all of the criticisms outlined above, it is
    important to realize that they are actively considered every year
    by a committee of the ICRP and that they have repeatedly been
    rejected. Likewise, the EPA, which has jurisdiction in the U.S.,
    studied the matter and decided not to modify its standards. No
    standard-setting or official study group in any country has given
    credence to any of these criticisms of the standard procedures we
    used in deriving Table I.

    3. CONSEQUENCES OF PLUTONIUM DISPERSAL
    It is clear from Table I that Pu is dangerous principally as
    an inhalant, so we now consider the consequences of a dispersal
    of Pu powder in a populated area. The calculations are done with
    a standard meteorological model, in which the dust cloud moves
    with the wind dispersing in the downwind, crosswind, and vertical
    directions. Meteorologists have determined the extent of
    dispersal as a function of wind velocity and atmospheric
    stability. Figure 2 shows the results of calculations assigning
    the atmospheric stability most characteristic of each wind
    velocity. This is different between day and night, so separate
    curves are given for each.
    These curves give the area within which various fractions,
    q/Q, of the dispersed Pu are taken in by a person inhaling at an
    average rate. For example, we see from Fig. 2 that for a typical
    daytime 8 m/sec wind velocity, only in an area of 500 m^2 is as
    much as 10^-6 (one millionth) of the dispersed Pu inhaled. A
    typical city population is 10^-2 people/m^2, so there would
    typically be about 5 people in this area. Similarly, from Fig.
    2, about 60 people would inhale 10^-7, 700 people would inhale
    10^-8, etc. of the dispersed Pu.
    As we know the cancer risk per microgram of Pu inhaled from
    Table I, it is straightforward to calculate the total number of
    cancers expected per gram of Pu dispersed. When corrections are
    applied for the fraction of typical Pu powders that are in
    particles of respirable size, the efficiency of dispersal, the
    protection afforded by being inside buildings, and decreased
    breathing rates at night, the result is that we may expect about
    one eventual cancer for every 24 g of Pu dispersed, or about 19
    fatalities per pound.
    If there is a warning, as in a blackmail scenario, people can
    be instructed to breathe through a folded handkerchief or a thick
    article of clothing, with a resulting decrease in fatalities to 3
    per pound dispersed.
    Eventually, the Pu settles to the ground but it may then be
    blown up by winds. Meteorologists have also developed methods
    for calculating these effects (``deposition'' and
    ``resuspension''). Within the first few months, this causes
    about one-third as many cancers as inhalation from the initial
    cloud. Beyond this time period, resuspension is of much less and
    continually decreasing importance as the Pu becomes part of the
    soil.
    [Omitted: ``FIGURE 2. Area over which the ratio of inhaled to
    dispersed Pu has values shown for q/Q versus wind velocity under
    typical day and night atmospheric conditions.'' The x-axis,
    which is logarithmically scaled, is labeled ``Wind Velocity
    (meters/sec)'' and the y-axis is labeled ``Area (meter^2)''.]
    Of course, 239-Pu lasts for tens of thousands of years, so let
    us consider its effects over this time period. We know the
    amount of uranium in soil and we know now how much there is as
    dust in the air, so we can estimate how much is inhaled per year
    -- it calculates out to be 1.3 x 10^-11 of that in the top 20 cm
    of soil. If this factor is applied to the Pu after it becomes
    part of the soil, we find that over the 25,000-year half-life
    there will eventually be about one fatality per 2500 g of Pu
    dispersed. Thus, we see that the long half-life is almost
    irrelevant; nearly all of the damage eventually done occurs very
    soon after dispersal.
    A summary of all these effects of Pu dispersal is given in
    Table II. It also includes plant uptake into food. There is a
    great deal of information on uptake of Pu by plants both from
    laboratory experiments and from several areas where an
    appreciable amount of Pu has gotten into the soil from bomb tests
    or from various research activities. Plant uptake is small for
    the same reason that Pu does not easily pass through the walls of
    the intestines -- it forms large molecules, which do not easily
    pass through membranes. From Table II we see that the total
    eventual effect of Pu dispersal in a city is one fatality per 18
    g dispersed without warning, or 25 fatalities per pound.
    TABLE II
    Summary of Fatalities per Gram
    of Reactor-Pu Dispersed
    -----------------------------------------------
    Inhalation from cloud 0.042 (1/24)
    Resuspension 0.014
    Long Term 0.0004 (1/2500)
    Plant uptake into food 0.002
    Total 0.058 (1/18)
    -----------------------------------------------

    4. DANGERS OF PLUTONIUM DISPERSAL
    The fear is sometimes expressed that the world may become
    ``contaminated'' with 239-Pu. To evaluate this potentiality, we
    calculate that if all the world's present electric power were
    produced by fast breeder reactors in an equilibrium situation
    where Pu is consumed as fast as it is produced, the total amount
    of 239-Pu existing in the world would be 2 x 10^8 curies.
    By comparison, the radium (226-Ra) in each meter of depth of
    the earth's crust is 1.2 x 10^9 curies, so there is as much Ra in
    each 17 cm of depth as there would be 239-Pu in the whole world.
    For ingestion, Ra is 40 times more toxic than Pu as it passes
    through the intestine walls much more easily. For direct
    inhalation, Ra is less hazardous than Pu, but it serves as a
    source of radon gas, which comes up out of the ground and mixes
    with the air we breathe, and therefore is a serious inhalation
    hazard, so as material on the ground, Ra is a 40-fold greater
    inhalation hazard than Pu.
    Thus, as a long-term hazard either for ingestion or for
    inhalation, Ra is 40 times worse than Pu; the total Pu in
    existence for an all-breeder power system would then be as
    dangerous as the Ra in each 4 mm of our soil. Of course, nearly
    all of this Pu would be in reactors or in other parts of the
    nuclear industry, well isolated from the environment.
    There is now a legal requirement on the allowable releases of
    Pu from nuclear plants, which is such that if all U.S. power were
    nuclear and derived from fast breeder reactors (they use the most
    Pu), the total releases would be about 0.6 g/year. If we use
    table II, this would predict an average of 0.03 fatality/year,
    but that would be valid only if nuclear plants were in cities; as
    they are not, the expected effects are about 10 times less, or
    one fatality in 300 years.
    Some perspective on this problem may be obtained by comparing
    the 0.6 g/year tht [sic] may some day be released by the nuclear
    industry with the amount of Pu that has been dispersed in the
    atmosphere in nuclear bomb tests, which is 5 million g.
    Estimates on the same basis that we have been using predict about
    200 U.S. fatalities to date from Pu releases in bomb tests, and
    4000 in the world. It also predicts about 200 fatalities
    worldwide from the reentry burn-up in 1964 of a space vehicle
    carrying a SNAP-9A 238-Pu-powered energy source. It is important
    to keep in mind that all of these estimates are theoretical.
    These is no direct evidence for Pu toxicity having caused serious
    injury to any human being, anywhere, ever.
    The reason why the legal requirement on plutonium releases is
    so stringent is not because Pu is so dangerous, but because the
    technology is available for keeping the releases that low, and in
    fact this technology is very close to present practice. Pu dust
    particles tend to stick to each other and their containers, so Pu
    is not easily dispersed. It is also very readily collected on
    filters; anywhere Pu powder is used, the air is exhausted through
    filters, which catch all but about one part per billion of the
    dust suspended in air.
    Of course, the control measures are expensive and they
    increase the cost of nuclear electricity. As previously noted,
    the reason they are required is not because Pu is so dangerous --
    one fatality every 300 years is surely a trivial problem when
    burning coal, our only viable alternative to nuclear energy, is
    killing 10,000 people every year with its air pollution -- but
    because the public is afraid of plutonium. Ralph Nader, former
    Senator Ribicoff, John Gofman, and their like have done their
    work well, and the public is paying the price in its electric
    bills.
    One often hears that in large-scale production of Pu we will
    be creating unprecedented quantities of a poisonous material.
    Because Pu is dangerous principally as an inhalant, we compare it
    in Table III with quantities of other poisonous inhalants
    produced in the U.S. We see that it is relatively trivial by
    comparison. Moreover, it should be noted that Pu is not easily
    dispersed whereas the others are gases and hence readily
    dispersible. Of course, Pu released to the environment will last
    far longer than these gases, which would be decomposed
    chemically, but recall from our earlier discussion that nearly
    all of the damage done in Pu dispersal is by the initial cloud of
    dust; all of the later resuspension and the thousands of years
    spent in the soil do far less damage. It is thus not unfair to
    compare Pu with the poison gases, and we see from Table III that
    it will always be far less of a hazard.
    TABLE III
    Lethal Inhalation Doses Produced Annually in the
    U.S. (x 10^12)
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Chlorine 400
    Phosgene 18
    Ammonia 6
    Hydrogen cyanide 6
    Pu if all U.S. power were from fast breeder reactors 1
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    It is often argued that there is a great deal we do not know
    about Pu toxicity. While this may be true, one would be
    hard-pressed to name another public health issue that is as well
    understood and controlled. Surely it would not be air pollution
    from burning coal, which is a million times more serious a
    problem. Surely it is not food additives or insecticides or such
    [the dangers from these have also been greatly exaggerated] that
    may well be doing real harm to our health. Pu hazards are far
    better understood than any of these, and the one fatality per 300
    years they may someday cause is truly trivial by comparison.
    In spite of the facts we have cited here, facts well known in
    the scientific community, the myth of Pu toxicity lingers on.
    The news media ignore us, and prefer to continue scaring the
    public at every opportunity. They don't recognize the difference
    between political issues on which everyone is equally entitled to
    an opinion, and scientific issues, which are susceptible to
    scientific investigation and proof. The myth may linger forever.


    Unbiased truthseekers, keen observers, members with an open mind (and there are plenty here on this forum), what a pitty you don't come to this thread.
    I wonder why.

    Great articles there, I copied them here for those that are afraid to click random links, very good addition to the thread.


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    PFFFFFFFF, sigh, revisiting this thread to watch Galen speak again and skim through the comments and I really wish someone would jam this thread up Alex Jones his rectum to see if it makes him glow with embarrassment about his panicking about Poohooshima, I mean how could a guy like that ignore information as shared by Galen and not be amazed by the lack of international effort to cap those reactors, seriously, that guy has become a first class mouthpiece for tptb if you ask me, he is selling his iodine supplements like crazy by playing the radiation scare, @ssholery of unheard of proportions imo.
    Anyone ALLOWED to do what he is doing is certainly doing what is desired... he is CO-INTEL-PRO (if your familiar with those declassified programs).

    Quote Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
    And I have no way to calculate the damage done to the ocean, but isn't the ocean frikking loaded with radiation absorbing iodine for billions of years now in the form of all kinds of seaweeds we make iodine supplements from, all water ever fallen on earth comes from the ocean and eventually returns there after it has flown over soils, through rocks spiked with radioactive materials that are naturally present in the earths geology, and the weird part is, there is just as much radioactives on the planet now as from the moment the planet became a planet, and perhaps the occasional meteorite impact, and the ocean just keeps producing salads as it has always done.

    Hm
    Yeah, this is probably one of THE major lies (mostly because it's blocking an extremely abundant source of ENERGY, and energy is the answer to everything) that we face today, this is the ONLY reason I put a bit of effort into the "fukushima" threads (to the scorn of the posters there... haha).

    even with the 17 pages of information and commentary on this thread, the "secret" is still not out (or rather, the indoctrination is so difficult to over come, it's hard to get this message out there).
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
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    PFFFFFFFF, sigh, revisiting this thread to watch Galen speak again and skim through the comments and I really wish someone would jam this thread up Alex Jones his rectum to see if it makes him glow with embarrassment about his panicking about Poohooshima, I mean how could a guy like that ignore information as shared by Galen and not be amazed by the lack of international effort to cap those reactors, seriously, that guy has become a first class mouthpiece for tptb if you ask me, he is selling his iodine supplements like crazy by playing the radiation scare, @ssholery of unheard of proportions imo.

    And I have no way to calculate the damage done to the ocean, but isn't the ocean frikking loaded with radiation absorbing iodine for billions of years now in the form of all kinds of seaweeds we make iodine supplements from, all water ever fallen on earth comes from the ocean and eventually returns there after it has flown over soils, through rocks spiked with radioactive materials that are naturally present in the earths geology, and the weird part is, there is just as much radioactives on the planet now as from the moment the planet became a planet, and perhaps the occasional meteorite impact, and the ocean just keeps producing salads as it has always done.

    Hm
    778, . Very valid points - about the planet nothing has been added or taken away since it formed long ago. Evidence has shown the even volcano’s are not a bad thing either.

    Sure you don’t want to get caught under it when it go’s off, plenty of collateral damage. But all the raw essential minerals including radio active ore’s replenish the earth that we as well as plant and animal life need to live on this rock.

    Once these raw materials brake down, life flourishes just like in Japan after the bombs dropped life came rolling back. Those two city’s didn’t become dead zones for 5,000.000 years as we were lead to believe. Quite the opposite to place.

    Russian accident and its now a dead zone, yet plant and animal have flourished beyond belief since the NRC decided to call it a dead zone, yet the same DNA and the building blocks of life, mock there fear scam clams, Sigh…

    So this really got me thinking ---- if dead zones are only supported by fear of some idiot saying you have to live underground for 5 thousand years. A total lie. Then world War III will only kill those caught in the blast radius, and since there are more city’s than they have bombs. Life will go on and the dead zone’s will only exist in the heads of the NRC believers. And the only evidence of this possibility is in two city’s in Japan that thieve, yet today.
    Any one ask the NRC to explain what happened in Japan and why dead zones are needed after a couple accidents?

    And the literal thousand of above ground testing of A-bomb and H-bomb testing over the years combined would add up to over 20 time’s what is at a dead zone in Japan to day.

    The evidence if kept in context and separated from the NRC Fear Scam, tells us a completely different story just as Galen Winsor so for told before the NRC scared the crappola out of people on this planet.

    We’ve been blinded since birth, on many topic’s this one is a hug one. People already blind, then you add a blind fold of fear on top of that, then you can see the dilemma we face, So the rest of the world will still see us as blubbering idiots. And continue to run away from the NRC boggy man in the closets of their minds.

    Its really not there fault, that’s why its called a rabbit hole, its deep and was put there over century’s, and some little puck is at the bottom still digging, and making it deeper yet. If you look at the bottom core of what is running this planet its only one thing.. Commerce -- consumption -- of energy. On all levels dig it up consume it, then burry it. On a planet where everything eats everything else to stay alive.

    Galen Winsor one of the leader’s in his field, none greater with hands on first person experience ,,, Before the NRC turns whistle blower. The evidence of Japan two thriving city’s not dead for 5 thousand year. Laugh in the face of the NRC’s .. And their 6 decades of lie’s.
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    Heyokah thank you for the articles! Daphne welcome to Avalon and welcome to this important thread!

    And hello all the rest of you that follow and contribute to this thread.

    Daphne, I grew up with great fear around nuclear also. And now most people think I am a nut job when I tell them I am no longer fearful of nuclear energy or fall out etc...and I to were a radio active rock around my neck and drink radiated water and sleep on a radio active mud pack :-)

    Much love, peace, health, and fun to us all!

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    PFFFFFFFF, sigh, revisiting this thread to watch Galen speak again and skim through the comments and I really wish someone would jam this thread up Alex Jones his rectum to see if it makes him glow with embarrassment about his panicking about Poohooshima, I mean how could a guy like that ignore information as shared by Galen and not be amazed by the lack of international effort to cap those reactors, seriously, that guy has become a first class mouthpiece for tptb if you ask me, he is selling his iodine supplements like crazy by playing the radiation scare, @ssholery of unheard of proportions imo.
    Quote Anyone ALLOWED to do what he is doing is certainly doing what is desired... he is CO-INTEL-PRO (if your familiar with those declassified programs).
    Yeah, exactly what I think, no such thing as internet freedom, no way and he is most certainly throwing out the bait to catch the more naïve ones, all provocation and a LOT of ego, that guy is so easy to play, doing his cute martyr act, all he does is instigate, hopes for a riot that will result in the opposite he says he is defending.



    Below comment belongs to the above clip and no I am NOT anti Semite.

    Quote 1.) Alex Jones has a Jewish wife named Kelly Rebecca Nichols, and he has three(3) children with her.

    2.) Alex Jones and his Jewish wife and children all qualify for Israeli citizenship under Israel's "Law of Return".

    3.) Alex Jones has at least twenty(20) Jewish sponsors and advertisers that financially support his radio show and websites.

    4.) Alex Jones' flagship radio station, KLBJ AM, in Austin, Texas, is owned by Emmis Communications, a media conglomerate based in Indianapolis, Indiana. The founder, chairman, president, and CEO of Emmis Communications is the dual Israeli citizen Zionist Jew Jeffrey H. Smulyan.

    5.) Alex Jones' radio show is broadcast on Sirius XM Radio. The chairman of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Eddy W. Hartenstein. The CEO of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Mel Karmazin. The President of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Scott Greenstein. Of the six(6) senior executives of Sirius XM Radio, five(5) are Jews.

    6.) Alex Jones has a Jewish lawyer named Elizabeth M. Schurig who is also the lawyer for Holly Lev Bronfman, the sister of Edgar Bronfman, Jr. Thus there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and the Bronfman family, one of the wealthiest and most influential Jewish Zionist families in North America.
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    And I have no way to calculate the damage done to the ocean, but isn't the ocean frikking loaded with radiation absorbing iodine for billions of years now in the form of all kinds of seaweeds we make iodine supplements from, all water ever fallen on earth comes from the ocean and eventually returns there after it has flown over soils, through rocks spiked with radioactive materials that are naturally present in the earths geology, and the weird part is, there is just as much radioactives on the planet now as from the moment the planet became a planet, and perhaps the occasional meteorite impact, and the ocean just keeps producing salads as it has always done.

    Hm

    Quote Yeah, this is probably one of THE major lies (mostly because it's blocking an extremely abundant source of ENERGY, and energy is the answer to everything) that we face today, this is the ONLY reason I put a bit of effort into the "fukushima" threads (to the scorn of the posters there... haha).
    Uhuh, I know, its weird man, when someone says something that goes against the grain regarding the subject they drop the hammer, and yeah, its all about energy, big business is definitely set on milking us dry until the last drop of oil is sold.

    There are plenty of energy solutions I think, but hey, who are we eh?
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    I had not seen the "busted" article until just now. What a great find! Now I am going to see if I get a hold of the 85 year old engineer Jim Stone talked to....

    Who first posted that article before today? How did I miss it? Oh well!


    http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/busted.html

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    I had not seen the "busted" article until just now. What a great find! Now I am going to see if I get a hold of the 85 year old engineer Jim Stone talked to....

    Who first posted that article before today? How did I miss it? Oh well!


    http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/busted.html
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    It was witchy 1 who posted it

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    Hey Kimberly, I know that if I told my mom about my change of mind, she would have a fit! She was arrested multiple times at Seabrook NPP. Where do I get these rocks?

    Also, here's a Ted talk- not sure if anyone posted this already. Supports This thread.

    http://youtu.be/u7H5ToqUmfk

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    [QUOTE=Daphne;774884]Hey Kimberly, I know that if I told my mom about my change of mind, she would have a fit! She was arrested multiple times at Seabrook NPP. Where do I get these rocks?

    Also, here's a Ted talk- not sure if anyone posted this already. Supports This thread.



    I took the liberty to add the clip, very interesting, thank you for bringing it to our attention.

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    Daphne, I live 20 minutes from Seabrook NPP, and up until finding the Galen information and all the information gathered on this thread I was not a physical protest like your brave Mother, however it sure scared me. Not any longer thank goodness.

    Thank you for the Ted talk...I will look at it soon.

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    [...]

    When I started to think I was going to walk away with nothing new, he began to talk about an entirely different subject. He began his new direction in the discussion with the phrase "My team succeeded in closing the nuclear loop, and Carter banned our miracle with an executive order

    Here is what followed that introductory line, and an enormous reason why Americans need to seriously question the current government structure and possibly start over.

    "I started in the American nuclear program...

    [...]

    Hi Target,

    I have been looking for that reference all over my drives... couldn't find it...

    Thanks for reposting it!
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    Ok, thank you again Daphne! Great find!

    I just wrote and e-mail to Sunniva and wanted to share it with you all. Of course I will let you know what she has to say.

    Here is her blog : I had to use google translate to read a little of it. However I found her contact info there. I did not need a translator to understand "kontakt" is contact :-)

    If anyone here reads the language, I would love to have your take on the overview of her blog..thanks

    And while I have your attention I would like to thank you all that are reading and contributing to this thread a Very Merry Christmas and of cour a loving, peaceful, healthy, joyful, and FUN 2014!!!


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    Dear Sunniva,

    I just saw your Ted talk video "Thorium Energy". That is how I found you.

    About a year and a half ago a video lecture from 1985 titled "The Nuclear Scare Scam" came to my attention. The lecture is done by a man named Galen Winsor, he died about 5 years ago or so at the age of 85.

    This is the link to one of several Galen Winsor lectures. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ejCQrOTE-XA the others are found in the forum thread (link posted below).

    Anyway what he had to say about nuclear energy back then has blown my mind and many other peoples minds open to a place that nuclear energy is not to be feared it is to be revered.

    I am a member of a forum, Project Avalon, where we are safe to share and discuss many topics that are not topics that main stream media would present or discuss. We have compiled a lot of information that supports Galen Winsor's claims that nuclear energy is not something to fear in the way we the people of earth have been propagandized.

    Here is the link to the 18 page long thread. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ar-scare-scam-

    I know it will take you many hours to go through this thread on the forum, however I am sure you will be interested in what we have gathered and continue to gather and I expect it is information that you are already aware of. This thread just posted your TED Talk, that is how I discovered you and your work.

    I/we would love to have you join our discussion on the forum. If you are interested in doing that let me know and I/we will invite you to be a member there. Most members have to fill out a questioner to become a member and everyone that requests membership is not admitted. It is a very closely moderated forum that is as I said safe and friendly and very open minded about 100's if not 1000's of topics.

    Whether or not you would like to be a member, we would love any addition material/research that you have or are aware of that we could add to our thread that supports that nuclear energy is not to be feared it is to be revered.

    And I am a radio journalist. I have a show that airs on a USA radio station that does allow me to air what ever I choose to air. I would love to interview you. The interview will also be posted on youtube.

    However, I would like to do the interview with you discussing what you talked about in your TED Talk and I would like you to discuss your views on Galen Winsor's claims and the other supporting material that was gathered by several members of the Avalon forum.

    I look forward to hearing back from you. And I look even more forward to hearing at the very least what your views are about what Galen Winsor had to say.

    We can set up an interview, if you are interested, at a later time, after you have listed to Galen.

    Merry Christmas and Happy 2014 to you and yours!

    Thank you for your work!

    Kimberley

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    Even though, as it is well known, I no longer have the fear around nuclear Thorium is a new one to me, but obviously not new to others...

    The Thorium Conspiracy - Stuff They Don't Want You to Know




    Also, FYI, the "Stuff They Don't Want You to Know" youtube channel has a lot of interesting "stuff" :-)

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    Sponsored by Berkeley's Nuclear Engineering Department, Kun Chen takes the first questions from an American audience on China's Molten Salt Reactor Program, which was announced in January of 2011.



    Dozens more video's on Thorium on YouTube.

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    How wonderful Kimberley! I can't wait to hear what she replies.
    There are 2 questions I have. First, I wonder if Earthing is healing in part because of radiation in the earth? (Forgive my very limited understanding of all of this). And the other question is how radiation from a source such as Fukushima is the same or different than hot rocks found naturally in the Earth. When particles of fallout come down to the earth, do we absorb them differently? It's still fuzzy...

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    Quote Posted by witchy1 (here)
    i was reading Jim Stones website tonight and read this

    In my journey of discovery in my investigation into the Fukushima disaster, I interviewed an 85 year old nuclear engineer who worked in the nuclear industry during America's glory days, and earned GE over 100 patents. He was one of the engineers who designed Fukushima, so naturally when conducting a real investigation into such a disaster a responsible journalist would want that type of reference. I was surprised when my prior study of the reactor systems there was so thorough that he had no information about Fukushima I did not already dig up, and he was very surprised when I told him details about the inner workings of the reactor he never expected anyone in the media to know.

    When I started to think I was going to walk away with nothing, he dropped a bombshell on a totally different subject. He opened his new direction of the discussion with the phrase

    "My team succeeded in closing the nuclear loop, and Carter banned our miracle with an executive order

    Here is what followed that introductory line, and the reason why we need to oust the FED and start over.

    The following is what he said in the interview

    I started in the American nuclear program all the way back at the time of the Manhattan project, and have been involved in reactor design and nuclear engineering my whole life. There was one answer we all searched for, and it was how to close the nuclear loop.

    When a reactor such as a boiling water reactor uses fuel, the waste products, which are highly radioactive isotopes that have a different fission characteristic than the fuel, build up in the fuel and poison the nuclear reaction. A reactor such as a boiling water reactor can only use the fuel until it gets contaminated by these isotopes enough to change the nature of the nuclear reactions taking place. The reaction environment inside a boiling water reactor is only one such environment that will work to trigger a chain reaction, and if that spent fuel is put into a reactor made from different materials, those materials can favor the burning of the poisonous isotopes, and use the isotopes as fuel until the fuel is purified of them, and therefore had it's original radiological characteristics restored. Once that is accomplished, the fuel can go back into the boiling water reactor, and used as new.

    We perfected the second reactor design, which used liquid sodium as a coolant, and the reactor ran much hotter - 1100 farenheit as opposed to 550 in a boiling water reactor. The liquid sodium circulated inside the reactor in lieu of water, with the heat of the reaction being removed from the system by a heat exchanger which boiled the water outside the reactor for use in producing electricity. The temperature difference and coolant characteristics facilitated the burning of the isotopes, and you got to use both sides of the reaction - one side produced electricity while poisoning the fuel, and the other side produced electricity while burning the poisons out. This process can be repeated 20 times, and when it is finished the fuel is DEAD and no longer hazardous because all of it's radiological potential has been used up. It was a dream come true, and Carter banned it by executive order!

    He specifically stated that the burn down was so complete that the spent fuel was safe to handle directly with bare hands, and needed no special care or maintenance at all.

    He then went on to lament about what a waste of money it was, because the fuel is expensive, and they were only using it to about five percent of its total potential. He lamented the fact that his life's greatest accomplishment got banned for no good reason, and it was a tremendous waste of money to not use the technology his team developed. Electricity would have been cheap. REAL CHEAP. So cheap that homes would not have been heated with oil or natural gas, electricity would have been the only sensible choice. Furthermore, with a reduction in the price of electricity by at least 10X, electric cars would have been a no brainer.

    This would have been America's free energy future, with the only real cost being maintenance of infrastructure.

    His take on it was that we were now paying too much for electricity. I guess that's how an engineer thinks. He had read my article on Fukushima and liked it, so one would guess his eyes were open to the global conspiracy. Even still I think he missed the obvious in what he said.

    Here is my take, and it has NOTHING to do with price, preservation of resources, or free energy.

    Nuclear reactors are HUGE. They have an enormous amount of nuclear material in them. One boiling water reactor core the size of the ones at Fukushima can easily hold enough fissionable material to make countless atomic bombs. And with the technology that makes re-using that fuel illegal, it builds up at a rate of 25 tons per gigawatt YEAR. This means that even small facilities like Fort Calhoun have approximately a million pounds of highly radioactive "poisoned" fuel sitting in their pools waiting for the right combination of problems to cause a disaster......

    More here: http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/busted.html

    Here is the link to his 7 hours worth of reading and 100's of hours of research: fukushima report
    I bump the thread with witchy1's post about Jim Stone's interview with 85 year old nuclear engineer ( Bernard Leonard Cohen ?).
    http://www.utimes.pitt.edu/?p=20431
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    How wonderful Kimberley! I can't wait to hear what she replies.
    There are 2 questions I have. First, I wonder if Earthing is healing in part because of radiation in the earth? (Forgive my very limited understanding of all of this).
    I don't know what Earthing is, so i can't answer that really; however radiation has been shown to be healthy at certain levels (just like water, aspirin, and everything else on the planet)

    Quote Posted by Daphne (here)
    And the other question is how radiation from a source such as Fukushima is the same or different than hot rocks found naturally in the Earth. When particles of fallout come down to the earth, do we absorb them differently? It's still fuzzy...
    The radiation is the same, there are, however a couple of things produced that act differently than natural radiation, like cesium. however the levels of radioactivity are so low that none of it is of concern, that is why there is no "death count" or study that conclusively proves that anything bad has happens from Fukushima (much the same as Chernobyl).
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
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    For the researchers among us that are looking for scientific facts, I have edited the article of the link kimberley provided in post 188 for better reading.

    http://www.fortfreedom.org/p22.htm

    THE MYTH OF PLUTONIUM TOXICITY

    (1/3/1989)
    By Bernard L. Cohen, Department of Physics, University of
    Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15260.


    Plutonium is constantly referred to by the news media as "the most toxic substance known to man.'' Ralph Nader has said that a pound of plutonium could cause 8 billion cancers, and former Senator Ribicoff has said that a single particle of plutonium inhaled into the lung can cause cancer.
    There is no scientific basis for any of these statements as I have shown in a paper in the refereed scientific journal Health Physics (Vol. 32, pp. 359-379, 1977).
    Nader asked the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to evaluate my paper, which they did in considerable depth and detail, but when they gave it a "clean bill of health'' he ignored their report. When he accuses me of "trying to detoxify plutonium with a pen,'' I offered to eat as much plutonium as he would eat of caffeine, which my paper shows is comparably dangerous, or given reasonable TV coverage, to personally inhale 1000 times as much plutonium as he says would be fatal, or in response to former Senator Ribicoff's statement to inhale 1000 particles of plutonium of any size that can be suspended in air.
    My offer was made to all major TV networks but there has never been a reply beyond a request for a copy of my paper.
    Yet the false statements continue in the news media and surely 95% of the public accept them as fact although virtually no one in the radiation health scientific community gives them credence.
    We have here a complete breakdown in communication between the scientific community and the news media, and an unprecedented display of irresponsibility by the latter.
    One must also question the ethics of Nader and Ribicoff; I have sent them my papers and written them personal letters, but I have never received a reply.

    Let's get at the truth here about plutonium toxicity.

    We begin by outlining a calculation of the cancer risk from intake of plutonium (we refer to it by its chemical symbol, Pu) based on standard procedures recommended by all national and international organizations charges with responsibility in this area, and accepted by the vast majority of radiobiomedical scientists.

    1. ESTIMATE OF PLUTONIUM TOXICITY FROM STANDARD PROCEDURES

    The first step is to calculate the radiation dose in rem (the unit of dose) to each organ of the human body per gram of Pu intake.
    According to ICRP (International Commission on Radiation Protection) Publication No. 19, about 25% of inhaled particles of the size of interest (0.5-5 [micro]m in diameter) deposit in the lung, and 60% of this is eliminated only with a 500-day half-life. From this information and the known rate and energy of [alpha -particle emission, we can calculate the radiation energy deposited in the lung, which is directly convertible to dose in rem.

    According to ICRP Publication 19, 5% of inhaled Pu gets into the bloodstream from which 45% gets into the bone and an equal amount collects in the liver; the times required for elimination from these are 70 and 35 years, respectively.
    This is all the information needed to calculate doses to bone and liver in rem per gram of Pu inhaled.

    If Pu is ingested with food or water in soluble form, the ICRP estimates that 3 x 10^-5 (30 parts per million) gets through the intestine walls into the bloodstream.
    From this and the information given above, calculation of rem to the bone and liver per gram of Pu ingested is straightforward. In addition, there is dosage to the gastrointestinal tract calculable by ICRP prescriptions.

    Once the dose in rem is calculated, the next step is to convert this to cancer risk using the BEIR Report, the standard reference in this area produced by the National Academy of Sciences Committee on Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation.
    It recommends a model in which there is a 15-year latent period following exposure during which there are no effects, followed by a 30-year "plateau'' period during which there is a constant risk of 1.3 x 10^-6 (1.3 chances per million) per year per rem for lung cancer and 0.2, 1.0, and 0.3 x 10^-6 per year per rem for bone, gastrointestinal tract and liver* cancer, respectively.

    For children less than 10 years old, these are divided by five, and for an older person, there is a calculable probability that death will result from other causes before the cancer develops.
    With this information we can calculate the cancer risk as a function of age at intake. Averaging over ages, we obtain the average cancer risk per gram of Pu intake.

    * In the BEIR Report, liver cancer is included among "all other'' for which the risk is 1.0 x 10^-6, the value used here is based partly on other information

    TABLE I
    Cancer Doses in Micrograms (Defined as the
    Inverse of Risk per Microgram)
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    Entrance Mode 239-Pu Reactor-Pu
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    Inhalation (dust in air) 1300 200
    Ingestion with food or water 6.5 x 10^6 1 x 10^6
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    The results are given in Table I for the most important isotope of Pu, 239-Pu, which contains 1 curie of radioactivity for each 16g, and for the mixture of Pu isotopes that would be commonly found in power reactors, which is 6 times more intensely radioactive (1 curie in each 2.5 g).
    We refer to the latter as "reactor-Pu'' and use it in our discussions where appropriate.

    Table I shows the inverse of the risk, which we call the "cancer dose.''
    For example, we see that the risk of inhaling reactor-Pu is 1/200 per [micro]g, so if one inhales 10 [micro]g, he has one chance in 20 of developing cancer as a result.
    Another application is that in a large population we may expect one cancer for every 200 [micro]g inhaled, so if a total of 1000 [micro]g is inhaled by people, we may expect 5 cancers (regardless of the number of people involved).

    Estimates of cancer doses of Pu have also been derived using different methods by the British Medical Research Council in its report "The Toxicity of Plutonium,'' and by Dr. C.W. Mays (who developed some of the important basic information in his experiments on dogs) in a report published by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA-SM-202/806), and they agree closely with Table I.
    We see from Table I that Pu is dangerous principally when inhaled as a fine dust.
    It is not very toxic when ingested with food or drink because of its very small probability of passing through the intestine walls into the bloodstream.
    Pu forms large molecules, which have great difficulty in passing through membranes.

    In addition to causing cancer, intake of plutonium can also cause genetic defects among progeny in the next 5-10 generations, but the total number of eventual genetic defects before they are bred out is only 20% of the number of cancers.
    For simplicity we restrict our discussion to cancers, but the genetic effects can always be included by applying the 20% addition.

    The estimates in Table I are based on data from radiation effects on humans as analyzed in the BEIR Report.
    These include Japanese A-bomb survivors, miners exposed to radon gas, people treated for various maladies with radium or with X-rays, etc.
    None of these effects were from Pu -- there is no evidence for any injury to humans from Pu toxicity.
    However, there is a considerable amount of data from animal studies with Pu, and this is summarized for lung cancer in Fig. 1 where the line shows the estimate from our calculation. In general the agreement is quite reason

    [Omitted: FIGURE 1 , Data from animal studies with Pu, summarized for lung cancer.
    The graph shows 40 data-points, with confidence intervals, from animal studies (dogs, mice, rats, rabbits) with a calculated line over them.
    The x-axis, which is logarithmically scaled, is labeled "Dose to Lung (millions of
    millirem)'' and the y-axis is labeled "Incidence of Lung Cancer (%)''.
    Taking representative points from the calculated line in the figure, we get: (~0.3 Mmrem, ~1%), (~1.0 Mmrem, ~5%), (~10.0 Mmrem, ~38%), (~11.0 Mmrem, ~65%). Mmrem: millions of millirem.]


    There has been a great deal of publicity about the high point for beagle dogs (the highest point in Fig.1) but we see that our curve passes within the error bars given by the authors.
    One aspect of the experiment that is frequently overlooked is that the latent period for development of the cancers increased with decreasing dose, and in fact the dogs contributing to the point under discussion developed cancer rather late in life. If this effect is extrapolated to lower doses, the latent period for most doses usually considered would greatly exceed life expectancy, so the effects we derive in this paper would be substantially reduced.

    2. CRITICISMS OF STANDARD PROCEDURES

    There have been several criticisms of treatments like the one we have given.
    The best known of these is the "hot-particle'' theory, which gives greatly increased effects (by a factor of 100,000) due to the fact that the Pu is not evenly distributed over the lung but is concentrated in particles, which give much higher than average doses to a few cells. This theory has been studied and rejected by the following groups:
    o A Committee of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences especially assembled for this study in a report entitled "Health Effects of Alpha-emitting Particles in the Respiratory Tract.
    o U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurement (NCRP), a very distinguished group composed of about 70 in our nation's leading radiobiomedical research scientists, in NCRP Publication No. 46
    o British Medical Research Council in "The Toxicity of Plutonium''
    o U.K. National Radiological Protection Board in its Report R-29 and Bulletin No. 8 (1974)
    o U.S. AEC in a very elaborate study, WASH-1320, authored by three of the world's leading researchers on Pu toxicity
    o U.S. NRC in Federal Register, Vol. 41, No. 76
    o U.K. Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution -- Sixth Report -- Nuclear Power and the Environment

    One easily understood aspect of these criticisms is that there were about 25 workers at Los Alamos who inhaled varying amounts of Pu about 30 years ago, and according to the "hot-particle'' theory each should have experienced about 200 lung cancers, whereas there have been no lung cancers as yet among them.

    According to our estimates in Table I, there is a 40% chance that one of them would have had lung cancer, so this is experimental evidence that Table I does not grossly underestimate the cancer risk from Pu intake.
    [For more on the Los Alamos workers see George L. Voelz, Robert S. Grier, Louis H. Hempelmann, "A 37-Year Medical Follow-Up Of Manhattan Project Pu Workers'', Health Physics, Vol. 48, No. 3 (March 1985), pp. 249-259.]

    Another criticism of the "hot-particle'' theory is that there are experiments on animals in which two groups were exposed to the same total amount of Pu but in one of them it was much more in the form of hot particles -- and that group experienced fewer cancers....
    It was also pointed out that particles in the lung do not stay in one place but are constantly moving about so that their exposure does not fall on only a few cells.

    After these rejections of the "hot-particle'' theory appeared, John Gofman, a former research scientist who has spent the past several years as the full-time leader of an antinuclear organization, came out with a new theory ascribing enhanced toxicity to Pu.
    His paper was not written for a scientific journal, but was inserted in the congressional Record by Senator Gravel.
    His basic premise was that smoking destroys the cilia, the fine hairs that stop dust particles from entering the bronchial region -- this much was well established -- and that Pu particles therefore remain in that region for a very long time, allowing their radiation to cause bronchial cancers.
    This allows him to ignore the animal data as animals do not smoke. He also manages to explain the lack of lung cancers among the 25 Los Alamos workers by a combination of four improbable hypotheses, the failure of any one of which would destroy his theory.

    There have been at least seven individual critiques of the Gofman theory. Perhaps the most telling criticism is that there was a series of experiments at New York University in which a number of graduate students inhaled a controlled amount of radioactive dust and the rate at which this dust was cleared from the bronchial region was directly determined by placing radiation detectors over their chests and measuring the radiation intensity as a function of time.
    It was found that there was no difference between smokers and nonsmokers, and the experimenters concluded that smokers do more coughing and have increases mucous flow, which compensates for their lack of cilia.
    In fact, if dust accumulated in the bronchial region of smokers in the manner
    postulated by Gofman, their bronchial tubes would be completely closed and they would die by suffocation.

    There were many more weak points in the details of the Gofman paper.
    He misuses the BEIR Report, he miscalculates the area of the bronchial region by a factor of 17 and thereby incorrectly increases the toxicity by that factor, he misuses the ICRP lun model, etc. He even suggests that the great increase in lung
    cancer in recent years may be due to Pu, but this increase has been steady since the 1930s whereas Pu-induced cancers should not have occurred until 1960. Moreover, the lung cancer increases have been in areas with chemical industry and high air pollution, and there has been no increase in areas downwind from the Nevada test site where Pu would have its maximum effect.

    A relatively less publicized attack on the conventional approach to evaluating Pu toxicity is the "warm-particle'' theory of Edward Martell. He hypothesizes that natural radiation is one of the principal causes of lung cancer, but this idea has
    not been accepted by the cancer research community.

    K.Z. Morgan has proposed that the relative biological effectiveness (RBE) for Pu in bone might be 250 times larger than the usual value.
    C.W. Mays, on whose experiments much of Morgan's hypothesis is based, reanalyzed Morgan's work and concluded that if his approach is correct, the increase should be only by a factor of 10.
    There is experimental information on this from some supposedly "terminally ill'' patients injected with Pu in 1945-46 to study Pu metabolism.
    Four of these are still alive and one who was injected with a rather large quantity
    died of unrelated causes only in 1968.
    If the RBE of Pu were 10 times the present value, there is a better than even chance that one of these five would have gotten bone cancer, but none did.
    As our calculated inhalation effects are dominated by lung cancer, a factor of 10 increase in bone cancer risk would only double the total inhalation risk.

    S.M. Wolfe, an employee of a Nader-sponsored group, drew far-reaching conclusions from the fact that 11 of the first 30 deaths in the US Transuranic Registry (a registry of people who have worked with plutonium) revealed cancers on autopsy, whereas based on listed cause-of-death for all U.S. males, only 6.2 of
    each 30 deaths is from cancer.
    His paper, which was never published in the scientific literature, received very wide
    publicity in the news media. However, it turned out that autopsies were done preferentially on people who had died of cancer, and that explained the entire effect.
    In addition, it was pointed out that Pu is expected to cause cancers of the lung, bone, and liver, whereas among the 11 cases there were no bone or liver cancers, and less than the expected number of lung cancers for a normal population. Needless to say, the news media never bothered to report that the Wolf paper was based on an incorrect premise.

    In evaluating all of the criticisms outlined above, it is important to realize that they are actively considered every year by a committee of the ICRP and that they have repeatedly been rejected.
    Likewise, the EPA, which has jurisdiction in the U.S., studied the matter and decided not to modify its standards.
    No standard-setting or official study group in any country has given credence to any of these criticisms of the standard procedures weused in deriving Table I.

    3. CONSEQUENCES OF PLUTONIUM DISPERSAL

    It is clear from Table I that Pu is dangerous principally as an inhalant, so we now consider the consequences of a dispersal of Pu powder in a populated area.
    The calculations are done with a standard meteorological model, in which the dust cloud moves with the wind dispersing in the downwind, crosswind, and vertical directions.
    Meteorologists have determined the extent of dispersal as a function of wind velocity and atmospheric stability.
    Figure 2 shows the results of calculations assigning the atmospheric stability most characteristic of each wind velocity. This is different between day and night, so separate curves are given for each.
    These curves give the area within which various fractions,q/Q, of the dispersed Pu are taken in by a person inhaling at an average rate.
    For example, we see from Fig. 2 that for a typical daytime 8 m/sec wind velocity, only in an area of 500 m^2 is as much as 10^-6 (one millionth) of thedispersed Pu inhaled. A typical city population is 10^-2 people/m^2, so there would
    typically be about 5 people in this area.
    Similarly, from Fig.2, about 60 people would inhale 10^-7, 700 people would inhale 10^-8, etc. of the dispersed Pu.

    As we know the cancer risk per microgram of Pu inhaled from Table I, it is straightforward to calculate the total number of cancers expected per gram of Pu dispersed. When corrections are applied for the fraction of typical Pu powders that are in particles of respirable size, the efficiency of dispersal, the protection afforded by being inside buildings, and decreased breathing rates at night, the result is that we may expect about one eventual cancer for every 24 g of Pu dispersed, or about 19 fatalities per pound.
    If there is a warning, as in a blackmail scenario, people can be instructed to breathe through a folded handkerchief or a thick article of clothing, with a resulting decrease in fatalities to 3 per pound dispersed.
    Eventually, the Pu settles to the ground but it may then be blown up by winds. Meteorologists have also developed methods for calculating these effects ("deposition'' and "resuspension'').
    Within the first few months this causes about one-third as many cancers as inhalation from the initial cloud.
    Beyond this time period, resuspension is of much less and continually decreasing importance as the Pu becomes part of the soil.

    [Omitted: FIGURE 2 "Area over which the ratio of inhaled to dispersed Pu has values shown for q/Q versus wind velocity under typical day and night atmospheric conditions.''
    The x-axis, which is logarithmically scaled, is labeled "Wind Velocity (meters/sec)'' and the y-axis is labeled "Area (meter^2)''.]


    Of course, 239-Pu lasts for tens of thousands of years, so let us consider its effects over this time period.
    We know the amount of uranium in soil and we know now how much there is as
    dust in the air, so we can estimate how much is inhaled per year -- it calculates out to be 1.3 x 10^-11 of that in the top 20 cm of soil. If this factor is applied to the Pu after it becomes part of the soil, we find that over the 25,000-year half-life
    there will eventually be about one fatality per 2500 g of Pu dispersed.
    Thus, we see that the long half-life is almost irrelevant; nearly all of the damage eventually done occurs very soon after dispersal.

    A summary of all these effects of Pu dispersal is given inTable II.
    It also includes plant uptake into food.
    There is a great deal of information on uptake of Pu by plants both from
    laboratory experiments and from several areas where an appreciable amount of Pu has gotten into the soil from bomb tests or from various research activities. Plant uptake is small for the same reason that Pu does not easily pass through the walls of the intestines -- it forms large molecules, which do not easily pass through membranes.
    From Table II we see that the total eventual effect of Pu dispersal in a city is one fatality per 18 g dispersed without warning, or 25 fatalities per pound.

    TABLE II
    Summary of Fatalities per Gram
    of Reactor-Pu Dispersed
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    Inhalation from cloud 0.042 (1/24)
    Resuspension 0.014
    Long Term 0.0004 (1/2500)
    Plant uptake into food 0.002
    Total 0.058 (1/18)
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    4. DANGERS OF PLUTONIUM DISPERSAL

    The fear is sometimes expressed that the world may become "contaminated'' with 239-Pu. To evaluate this potentiality, we calculate that if all the world's present electric power were produced by fast breeder reactors in an equilibrium situation
    where Pu is consumed as fast as it is produced, the total amount of 239-Pu existing in the world would be 2 x 10^8 curies.
    By comparison, the radium (226-Ra) in each meter of depth of the earth's crust is 1.2 x 10^9 curies, so there is as much Ra in each 17 cm of depth as there would be 239-Pu in the whole world.
    For ingestion, Ra is 40 times more toxic than Pu as it passes through the intestine walls much more easily. For direct inhalation, Ra is less hazardous than Pu, but it serves as a source of radon gas, which comes up out of the ground and mixes
    with the air we breathe, and therefore is a serious inhalation hazard, so as material on the ground, Ra is a 40-fold greater inhalation hazard than Pu.

    Thus, as a long-term hazard either for ingestion or for inhalation, Ra is 40 times worse than Pu; the total Pu in existence for an all-breeder power system would then be as dangerous as the Ra in each 4 mm of our soil. Of course, nearly
    all of this Pu would be in reactors or in other parts of the nuclear industry, well isolated from the environment.

    There is now a legal requirement on the allowable releases of Pu from nuclear plants, which is such that if all U.S. power were nuclear and derived from fast breeder reactors (they use the most Pu), the total releases would be about 0.6 g/year.
    If we use table II, this would predict an average of 0.03 fatality/year, but that would be valid only if nuclear plants were in cities; as they are not, the expected effects are about 10 times less, or one fatality in 300 years.

    Some perspective on this problem may be obtained by comparing the 0.6 g/year tht [sic] may some day be released by the nuclear industry with the amount of Pu that has been dispersed in the atmosphere in nuclear bomb tests, which is 5 million g.
    Estimates on the same basis that we have been using predict about 200 U.S. fatalities to date from Pu releases in bomb tests, and 4000 in the world.
    It also predicts about 200 fatalities worldwide from the reentry burn-up in 1964 of a space vehicle carrying a SNAP-9A 238-Pu-powered energy source.
    It is important to keep in mind that all of these estimates are theoretical.
    These is no direct evidence for Pu toxicity having caused serious injury to any human being, anywhere, ever.

    The reason why the legal requirement on plutonium releases is so stringent is not because Pu is so dangerous, but because the technology is available for keeping the releases that low, and in fact this technology is very close to present practice.
    Pu dust particles tend to stick to each other and their containers, so Pu is not easily dispersed. It is also very readily collected on filters; anywhere Pu powder is used, the air is exhausted through filters, which catch all but about one part per billion of the dust suspended in air.

    Of course, the control measures are expensive and they increase the cost of nuclear electricity.
    As previously noted, the reason they are required is not because Pu is so dangerous -- one fatality every 300 years is surely a trivial problem when burning coal, our only viable alternative to nuclear energy, is killing 10,000 people every year with its air pollution -- but because the public is afraid of plutonium.

    Ralph Nader, former Senator Ribicoff, John Gofman, and their like have done their
    work well, and the public is paying the price in its electric bills.

    One often hears that in large-scale production of Pu we will be creating unprecedented quantities of a poisonous material. Because Pu is dangerous principally as an inhalant, we compare it in Table III with quantities of other poisonous inhalants produced in the U.S. We see that it is relatively trivial by
    comparison.
    Moreover, it should be noted that Pu is not easily dispersed whereas the others are gases and hence readily dispersible.
    Of course, Pu released to the environment will last far longer than thesegases, which would be decomposed chemically, but recall from our earlier discussion that nearly all of the damage done in Pu dispersal is by the initial cloud of dust; all of the later resuspension and the thousands of years spent in the soil do far less damage.
    It is thus not unfair to compare Pu with the poison gases, and we see from Table III that it will always be far less of a hazard.

    TABLE III
    Lethal Inhalation Doses Produced Annually in the
    U.S. (x 10^12)
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Chlorine 400
    Phosgene 18
    Ammonia 6
    Hydrogen cyanide 6
    Pu if all U.S. power were from fast breeder reactors 1
    ----------------------------------------------------------

    It is often argued that there is a great deal we do not know about Pu toxicity. While this may be true, one would be hard-pressed to name another public health issue that is as well understood and controlled.
    Surely it would not be air pollution from burning coal, which is a million times more serious a problem.
    Surely it is not food additives or insecticides or such [the dangers from these have also been greatly exaggerated] that may well be doing real harm to our health. Pu hazards are far better understood than any of these, and the one fatality per 300
    years they may someday cause is truly trivial by comparison.

    In spite of the facts we have cited here, facts well known in the scientific community, the myth of Pu toxicity lingers on.
    The news media ignore us, and prefer to continue scaring the public at every opportunity.
    They don't recognize the difference between political issues on which everyone is equally entitled to an opinion, and scientific issues, which are susceptible to
    scientific investigation and proof.

    The myth may linger forever....


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    In this beautiful 2011 one hour documentary on Chernobyl 25 years after the accident, nature seems to be doing fine and thriving in the exclusion zone. While the whole place has been left vacant in a post-apocalyptic scenery, scientists are shown to be following up how animals are coping with the radioactivity.

    The commentary says how difficult it is to establish causal links between exposure to long term low radiation and risks on our health. There is a short description of this around min 36 (in the French version) : 4-6% of some rodents sibblings show slight birth defect, which is twice the rate of non radioactive zones. Pretty high.

    However, for the rest nature seems to be coping rather well. Research on animal health is underway as of 2005.

    Here is a short overview in captured pictures for your convenience. Attachment 24271

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    Unfortunately I have not heard back from Sunniva...perhaps she is away for the holidays...I will keep trying...

    Thank you heyokah and Jean-Luc....

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    Ok I heard back from Sunniva Rose...I have never invited anyone to the forum so I will get in touch with some of the mods.

    I am looking forward to hearing what she will have to say.

    Quote Date: December 30, 2013 10:02:32 AM EST

    Hi Kimberley, and merry Christmas!
    I have been very busy and that is why I have not responded - sorry about that!

    I would really like to be part of your discussion forum, and I would love to be interwied.
    Looking forward to hear more from you

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