An alien prediction regarding human population control

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Those of us with a single child who by disability is unlikely to have children see a different issue.

You see the obvious, the general, but may miss crucial details.

If autism rates and other trends continue, no families poor or otherwise will be reproducing.

I have huge respect for mothers who succeed at raising multiple children.

Being alive n healthy isn't enough to "deserve" life.

Life serves life, even in nursing homes. You think elder care is hard, try visiting a children's group home where people under age ten suffer.

Just as ugly and pointless in a way, but life serves life and the gesture is meaningful.

In fact respite homes are a feature of intelligent life.
We don't just leave other intelligences behind even if it is inconvenient.

What are you guys doing to end the wars? Or does death and violence scratch an itch you don't understand?

[Gez501]

As an 'Old Person' - 75 yrs - I read what this thread has to say with considerable interest. The thread is about Eugenics. I could be described as an 'undeserving geriatric' I guess'. One thing I would like to point out - those that make the decisions when we die will also have the same sentence passed upon them sometime. Maybe the age limit by that time will be dropped ! How about that?
The problem is not increased aging but an increase in the younger generation's desire to have more for themselves, with simplistic ways of reaching that goal. Fascism is the bugbear. Government by, for, and because of, the Multi-Nationals. The system has to change if the species is to survive. Attitudes towards our 'fellow man' have to change. To ALL LIFE in fact. If not? Then Gia begins anew again - without any of us.
Change is happening because MAN is becoming more educated - but has lost the ability to reason properly. Whether this is due to secretive eugenics programmes I don't know. Flouride in the water? Aspartame? Chem trails? Maybe. Probably. One thing is certain the younger generations today are more mindful for their own welfare than that of anyone else. The aquisition of goods and property seem to be a strong driving force. IPad anyone?
To change to something better the Gia populations have to take control of their own destiny. It is a shared one. It really is a case of 'my brother's keeper' if we are to advance as a species. If we won't, or can't, then we don't deserve to be able to touch the stars.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Gez501, you said it better than I ever could've.

It makes me miss my great-grandparents. They were the best, they were everything that was good about living.

They knew every tree and stone on their farm, each childs name, etc.

I don't think modern people understand how hard their ancestors worked to be free.

People have to want freedom.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by Bright Garlick (here)
I am unwilling to say when this will happen but it is within this century.

I would like to ask something of you. At the time I learned this information, I could find nothing in official policy, research or strategic planning in the public domain to indicate that it was coming. I would like to know if you can find information in the public domain (or private) which supports what I am sharing. In other words has discussion about such a possibility already taken place ? There will be sleuths among you, who are very good at finding information - whether it's basic stuff or detailed policy, research or strategic material. I dare you to go for it !

In addition, I am curious to know what problems you envisage with an ageing population and what solutions you propose.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=E2DuqLF8Si0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/11/th...-of-his-death/

PS. The wind will help you concentrate !

I've really enjoyed your recent threads, thank you. They were encouraging and exactly what I needed to hear.

As for this one, it's an important topic and overpopulation is only half of the motivation for euthanasia in the near future.

Searching for official planning ... before I do I'd like to say something about the other half of why this would happen.

The past 100 years of technology has been driven by nuclear, chemical, and biological R&D. The age and evolution of computers has enabled a major transition as far as the direction technology has taken. This century will be technologically defined by advances in genetics, nanotechnology, and robotics. These are known as GNR technologies. Information technology is another major one (big data).

The evolution of robotics is being catalyzed by the need to solve certain problems. Space exploration, tending to an ageing population, and disaster response. It is also being heavily influenced by the competitive interests of the military. Also, it's being accelerated by the commercial interests of companies investing in robotics for consumers and to cut labor costs in manufacturing and delivering products. Much of this could also be said to drive the genetics and nanotechnology aspects as well.

Each year that goes by, transhumanism becomes more feasible and capable of becoming a reality. Advances in computer technology, robotics, nanotechnology, and genetics is what pulls that cart that carries a transhumanist future. There is also the future of the machinic phylum that will compete with whatever factions humanity has split into by then, but that's for another thread.

Imagine that by 2020 parents will be able to customize their children. Geneticists will be able to modify the DNA of the newly conceived in order to produce progeny with higher intelligence quotients, more efficient physical builds, longer life spans, better vision, certain eye color, hair color, and eliminate any possibility of future diseases or disorders based on the genetic heritage of the parents. It's seems good at first, but it is wholly unnatural and we can't turn off the "ego gene".

If 2020 sounds too soon, check out these links:

World’s First Genetically Engineered Babies Born

DARPA: Advanced Tools for Mammalian Genome Engineering

Human genetic engineering

H+

Scientist may just be growing the new children in vitro -- genetically programmed to the genetic specifications required by law and to engender what ever characteristics that the government allows the parents to choose. Cloning also comes to mind.

This all sounds eerily similar to certain themes in the book, Anvil of the Heart, by Bruce T. Holmes (and I'm sure it has many parallels within other sci-fi literature).



In the novel, the author envisions an amendment added to the american constitution in the near future. It reads:

The right of a child to be born to its full potential shall take precedence over all other considerations. It is the state's responsibility to safeguard the legal rights of the intended embryo.

Thirty-ninth Amendment to the Constitution ratified July 4, 2051

The events that led up to this future were spurred by genetic engineering and resulted in a division of classes. Actually, it resulted in a new species of humans that were cold, cunning, and calculated. A hyper-intelligent race that had lost touch with their humanity and their spiritual heritage. They controlled the planet and intended to gradually reduce the population of the "lesser" humans.

Anyways, the cause of the problems genetic engineering is supposed to address find their roots in the fact that humans began messing with nature in the first place! GMO crops, synthetics, injecting chemicals into food/water/atmosphere, pharmaceuticals, etc ... We will be digging a deeper hole.

Some think that social class is defined by economic status! Just picture the division of social class arising from genetic engineering. What you describe happening in your video is difficult to imagine now, because it's hard to imagine how the human heart would allow such a choice to infect so many people. Yet, if those people were part of the generation that was genetically engineered to be physically, intellectually, and physiologically superior -- how could such a future not be probable with the secular direction that science has taken thus far and the environment of materialistic propaganda that such a generation would be nurtured in?

Many societal structures and foreign relations between countries are molded more by competitive mechanisms than cooperative ones. This is a major pitfall and it's effects will echo into the future. What about engineering compassion or spirituality? Where does that fit into GNR technologies and mainstream scientific endeavors?

I'm not sure if the policies exist yet, but I can say that the potential definitely exists. It will likely manifest sooner than later if we all don't pause and pump the brakes on these scientific initiatives. Humanity is not spiritually mature enough to be able to guide the development of technology in responsible manner. Look at how we've done so far! Nuclear weapons, war, starvation, and scientific dogmas! We are moving headlong into the darkness with nothing but a stick to poke and provoke this technological future that we have naively bought into.

A genetically superior human majority (or a genetically superior minority in the upper echelon) would definitely allow the possibility in the OP to happen. Not only would it (in their minds) solve an overpopulation problem, but it would also get rid of the "inferior" classes using up the resources that should be reserved for the next level of species in the human evolutionary chain.

Important discussion, Bright. Thanks for shedding some light on the darkness! How can we address the issue if we can't see where it's hiding?

Based on human population growth and the advancement of GNR technologies, I could see your proposal for the potential future coming to fruition before 2045 in my opinion. Something similar to the fictional amendment could be passed as soon as 2025 with advances in nanotechnology and medicine paving the way for the ideology to really take hold.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3xArETjua30

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mXfYshYnbIA

About the foresight of future euthanasia - It have as much to do with "out with the old, in with the new" as it has to do with overpopulation. I hope this won't be the case.

Posted by Gez501 (here)
As an 'Old Person' - 75 yrs - I read what this thread has to say with considerable interest. The thread is about Eugenics. I could be described as an 'undeserving geriatric' I guess'. One thing I would like to point out - those that make the decisions when we die will also have the same sentence passed upon them sometime.

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The problem is not increased aging but an increase in the younger generation's desire to have more for themselves, with simplistic ways of reaching that goal.

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Attitudes towards our 'fellow man' have to change. To ALL LIFE in fact. If not? Then Gia begins anew again - without any of us.
Change is happening because MAN is becoming more educated - but has lost the ability to reason properly. Whether this is due to secretive eugenics programmes I don't know. Flouride in the water? Aspartame? Chem trails? Maybe. Probably. One thing is certain the younger generations today are more mindful for their own welfare than that of anyone else. The aquisition of goods and property seem to be a strong driving force. IPad anyone?
To change to something better the Gia populations have to take control of their own destiny. It is a shared one. It really is a case of 'my brother's keeper' if we are to advance as a species. If we won't, or can't, then we don't deserve to be able to touch the stars.

Thank you for this, huzzah!

[Jeffrey]

Posted by Jeffrey Sewell-Holloway (here)

Posted by Bright Garlick (here)
I am unwilling to say when this will happen but it is within this century.

I would like to ask something of you. At the time I learned this information, I could find nothing in official policy, research or strategic planning in the public domain to indicate that it was coming. I would like to know if you can find information in the public domain (or private) which supports what I am sharing. In other words has discussion about such a possibility already taken place ? There will be sleuths among you, who are very good at finding information - whether it's basic stuff or detailed policy, research or strategic material. I dare you to go for it !

In addition, I am curious to know what problems you envisage with an ageing population and what solutions you propose.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=E2DuqLF8Si0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/11/th...-of-his-death/

PS. The wind will help you concentrate !

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Searching for official planning ...

Alright, Bright. Here it is.

Age Concern promotes euthanasia campaign

Age Concern England — a leading charity for the elderly — has been accused of campaigning for euthanasia.

The Charity Commission was asked to investigate its activities by an independent bioethics group alarmed by a document for the Millennium Debate of the Age — an exercise aimed at two thirds of the population and vaunted the "largest, most involving social campaign ever envisaged outside of government".

Age Concern England masterminded the Debate as a platform for discussion on how society must cope with an ageing population in the next century. It will present its conclusions — -the Agenda for the Age" — to the Government next year.

But its interim report, Values and Attitudes in an Ageing Society, even argues for the legalising of involuntary euthanasia. Drafted under the chairmanship of Manchester University's Dr John Harris, it urges the consideration of a Euthanasia Act and a Physician Assisted Suicide Act.

Source: http://archive.catholicherald.co.uk/...nasia-campaign

'Legalise euthanasia' says expert

Referring specifically to the Joffe Bill, Professor Doyal who is emeritus professor of medical ethics at Barts and the London School of Medicine claimed, "Some supporters of euthanasia remain silent about non-voluntary euthanasia, presumably because they believe that focusing on voluntary euthanasia offers a better chance of legalisation.

"Proponents of voluntary euthanasia should support non-voluntary euthanasia under appropriate circumstances and with proper regulation," he concluded.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5056326.stm

Euthanasia and Overpopulation

It is not difficult to imagine a hard working man or woman becoming resentful of the financial expectations placed on him or her. A population off-balance can place the elderly in jeopardy as they depend on others to support them and provide for their medical necessities.

Once the elderly become a perceived “burden,” there will be more social incentive for euthanasia. If abortion was posed as a “solution” to overpopulation, you can bet that the pro-death activists will be campaigning tirelessly to pass laws in favor of euthanasia as depopulation becomes a reality.

The answer to this impending crisis is that we must, as a world, value all human life once again.

Longman writes that the family has become nothing more than a “unit of consumption” in today’s world. It is no longer viewed as valuable to society. Children are no longer seen as the hope of the future, but as consumers of natural resources.

In order to prevent the killing of millions of elderly world-wide, we must begin to act now. We must continue to work to turn the tide away from death and toward respect for all human life.

Source: http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.o.../#.UrJ8ZtJDsxo

Euthanasia and the slippery slope

As applied to the euthanasia debate, the slippery slope argument claims that the acceptance of certain practices, such as physician-assisted suicide or voluntary euthanasia, will invariably lead to the acceptance or practice of concepts which are currently deemed unacceptable, such as non-voluntary or involuntary euthanasia. Thus, it is argued, in order to prevent these undesirable practices from occurring, we need to resist taking the first step.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthana...slippery_slope

Also fumbling through this article: Killing Us Softly – Euthanasia Policy Makers & Those Who Fund It

This video hurts my heart .... You have had the warning.

Assisted suicide on TV for first time

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XDOzT3_HfwI

This next video is real reactions to a fake petition ...

The Petition for "Mandatory Euthanasia" for Senior Citizens

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=t4BEY1lZDyg

[Bright Garlick]

Thanks for having the guts to do the work Jeffrey. A great find. Heart wrenching stuff.
In need, many of us might change our minds given the choice and make the same choice as the man above.

I have been told that there are government groups exploring paid euthanasia and legalized euthanasia and even some public docs. There is much more in the public domain then people are willing to SEE. Maybe as much investigation of this subject as say Area 51 and UFO docs and this might have led to some very insightful discussions. Or say interest in this subject as CHARLES.

If only others took up my initial challenge like you Jeffrey - this might have become a more interesting thread and linked well to the others on population control ! I guess OUR future is not as interesting as the imagined futures that entertain us.

I am now officially euthanasing myself out of Project Avalon.

Farewell and a very happy Christmas to all.

[Kalamos]

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[betweener]

the 'problem' of overpopulation is only a problem when the factor of enforced confinement to a specific area is taken into account (such as imposed 'quarantine' to earth), however, im inclined to think that the reason for our confinement is largely manufactured, and maintained, by what is clearly a top-down feudal society.

so, im inclined to believe that the ultimate problem we are dealing with, is the lust and need for control to be enacted upon us by outside forces; on an individual level, in countries, corporations, and societal cultures, and yes, even as a world.

without this imposed top-down control, and all of this 'us vs them' that is force-fed to us, i very much suspect that humanity will rather quickly become the humanity as it is seen in the Star Trek series; able to decisively act, when action (and war ?) is needed, but generally preferring to serve as explorers, scientists, healers, and diplomats. Thusly, the reason behind the need for confinement, control, and overpopulation will be solved.

also, consider this - in order for something to change, it is often the case where change must be imposed and induced, before it takes root and naturally grows. For example, legal racial segregation ended for the most part (ironically) when it was decided on an authoritative level to do away with black-only/white only things, such as fountains, schools, housing, jobs, and begin integration.

Now, Americans by and largely live in a nation that has no legally recognized separation of black vs white (we even have a black president, for all the good that politicians and re-named royalty are doing us.)

- so, perhaps earth humanity is hindered in its progress, by the fact that it is being forcibly controlled, and not given a chance to rise to the occasion.

however, in a turn of irony (?), i agree that a dignified death should be available whenever possible, and that with a terminal disease, there should be a last resort of dignified suicide, or in some cases (such as terry schaivo, whom the autopsy of proved was brain dead long before they finally did pull the plug), 3rd party euthanasia authority.

however, i foresee that with the upswing in rediscovered medical technologies and knowledge, genetics advancement, and the falling away of western medical dogma, there will eventually be alot more cures available, that may indeed stave off a great many cases where dignified suicide would have otherwise been warranted. I am also in favor of positive eugenics and 'species self-husbandry' with the goal of human enhancement, rather than degradation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_families

[Mike Gorman]

Soylent Green is People! Sorry, the idea of voluntary Euthanasia is not new. The film I reference dealt with it quite creatively I thought, along with the consequences of infinite population
expansion-they called it 'going home' in the film, and folks were given a final glimpse of the natural world prior to the horrors of suffocating population growth, while the deadly draught they
were given to drink slowly killed them. I can't help thinking nature herself will provide a 'solution', whether through the 'nature' of human folly, or natural limiting agencies that seem to regulate animal populations.