Sandy Hook "victims" alive?

[Maia Gabrial]

Glad to hear it, SilentFeathers. Now your opinion means something....

[Camilo]

I just came across this article regarding this issue. You be the judge.

Hoax and High Treason… Adam Lanza Never Existed!… Sandy Hook School Was Not an Operating School at Time of Shooting!

http://knowthelies.wordpress.com/201...e-of-shooting/

Again, I cannot overemphasize the importance of all of us recognizing that the Sandy Hook so-called massacre was a staged event, serving several purposes. Let us not make the mistake of taking it as an actual event. One of the authors of this blog post – Jim Fetzer – has also been responsible for truly outstanding analysis of the JFK assassination, so he brings credentials to this analysis that are beyond question.

In my view, this event was staged for several reasons:

-Pursue the gun control agenda in the United States
-Illustrate how the planned global religion will deal with such things, in part because they will be commonplace
-Run a grand experiment to see how the community at large will respond to an event such as this

Sandy Hook has the fingerprints of the NWO all over it.

[Milneman]

Ok so let me get this right....

"They", being the powers that be, are faking school shootings to try and convince people that gun control is necessary, are faking school shootings to illustrate how the global religion (?) will deal with these kinds of events because they're going to be happening all the time, and they want to see how people react to kids being shot.

Now I"m not trying to be snide, I'm really curious because I live in a country where there is gun control. You can own certain guns, firearms for example, for hunting. And it's a rare day when someone is shot in a crime with a hunting rifle. It does happen, but usually with firearms that are smuggled into the country.

So is this about the kids, as I first thought, or is it about people taking away guns....

Some figures to consider:

The United States ranks twelfth in number of deaths per 100,000 population as a result of guns. They are beaten, in order, by Honduras, El Salvador, Jamaica, Swaziland, Guatemala, Columbia, South Africa, Brazil, Panama, and Uruguay. 10.3 deaths per 100,000. Those deaths are mostly from suicide (6.3), followed by homicide (3.6), unintentional (.3) and unidentified (.1).

Compared to Canada, the total number of deaths per 100,000 population as a result of guns: 2.38 Total as a result of homicides: .5

I understand the reason behind the keeping of guns state-side. I have a difficult time understanding why because I grew up in a culture that used guns only for hunting, and you only killed what you were able to eat (you got a ticket for white tail or mulie, or you lucked out and got a ticket for moose, you bagged out, you took the meat you could use, you gave away what you couldn't).

So I guess the question I have for my American cousins is this: why, given the higher rate of violence associated with guns, is gun control such a scarey thing? This isn't a rhetorical question. I really do want to know.

I just can't seem to join the dots here. It doesn't make sense.

[Selene]

If I may weigh in here (with some considerable trepidation), I have spent the past decade using photo overlays etc to study the biometric identification of sitters in Tudor portraits, and the genetic relationships to each other in an attempt to identify family lineages both official and offside. (Long story...sigh!)

But in doing that, I’ve become rather sensitive to the subtle variances in bone structure as well as muscle development, facial expression, etc in portrait overlays. Photos can also work very well for this, if the photos can be had at the same facial angle, lighting, etc. The photos you’ve appended, outerheaven, work rather nicely for analytical purposes so I feel comfortable commenting on them here. The two shots are nicely matched.

But here I must agree with Raf: they are not of the same person.

To ‘see with my eyes’, do a slow visual scan from the tops of the merged photos to the bottom. Notice especially the shape and divergences of the bone structures :




• The general shapes of the (overlaid) upper skulls, foreheads do match. But the hairlines don’t. In order for this to be photos of the same person, that hairline set into the forehead has to be exact, especially in one so young, when we don’t have to take the recession of aging nor the effects of hormones on bone growth into account.

• Now look at the eye area, and the shape of the skull there. Allow your eye to travel along the ‘apples’ of the cheeks. Again, we see a divergence in width and bone structure, especially at the temples. This is not an artifact of the photos, since the eyes are perfectly matched for size and placement; the only variable becomes the respective bone structures around the eye(s). This contour needs to match exactly to be of the same person, even if we allow for slight variations due to photo angle and the passage of one year in a child’s development. At this point, positive identification is in question. Continue:

• The spacing and size of the eyes, the orbital bones and hair growth of the eyebrows is pretty close in both.

• The flat area of the upper cheeks also pretty good, but however...

• The noses are quite different. The newer one (right photo) has a straight bridge, the older is slightly scooped. Older one has a broader nostril (alar) and a slightly more bulbous tip than the later. These are two very different noses and noses are definitive. No match and not the same person. Onward:

• The lower jaws also diverge. On the earlier one, we can see hints of a dimple and narrowed muscular development. On the other, a larger fat pad fills out the same area around the chin with a more fleshy countenance. This could possibly be due to a different diet and weight gain in the past year, but overall..

In my amateur opinion, not the same person here.

Cheers,

Selene

[Kindred]

I was almost tempted Not to respond to this thread, as I have Very strong feelings about the topic.

I Live In The Area.... There is an Ongoing Misdirection of Information about this Entire 'event'.

I Agree with Maia Gabrial that this is Most Likely a Staged Event.

I worked with people from Newtown, and they, themselves, question MUCH of the 'official narrative'. There is a LOT of info suggesting that this is, Indeed, a False Flag.

First off, I saw the first-hand reports of MULTIPLE SHOOTERS, as well as Live Video Footage from helicopters (which I saw, First Hand) of at least 2 individuals being pursued By Police in the woods surrounding the school.

So.. you people who wish to discount these 'aberrations' in the 'official narrative', need to realize that Every major 'news event' pertaining to 'guns', as well as others, are Scripted specifically to manipulate the population into a specific Reaction...

Problem, Reaction, Solution. PERIOD.

I had been told this very thing in a threatening e-mail, via my youtube account, back in '11. That account, and the associated mailing was posted here on Avalon, if you care to search it out.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[loungelizard]

Posted by Selene (here)
If I may weigh in here (with some considerable trepidation), I have spent the past decade using photo overlays etc to study the biometric identification of sitters in Tudor portraits, and the genetic relationships to each other in an attempt to identify family lineages both official and offside. (Long story...sigh!)

Thank you for sharing what your expert eye tells you, Selene - I completely agree (not that I'm in any way qualified beyond having a bit of general common sense )

Incidentally, that sounds like my idea job!!

[Kindred]

Posted by outerheaven (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Well, either they are the same kids or they are not.

If you carefully analyze crucial points such as facial bone structure, ear, eyebrow and hairline. you'll see that none of them are the same.

I can say this with 100% confidence; I've been drawing human figures since I was a kid and I have excellent eyes for this kind of stuff.

Again, I certainly think that the whole Sandy Hook story is very inconsistent. I just don't agree with the premise behind this video.

Raf.

Well ... I also draw and paint and sculpt, and I see similarities here.

So to make an example, I made a quick and dirty 70% opacity overlay of the Olivia Engel photo, and the girl at the superbowl. They're not quite the same angle, but as you can see, despite the age difference, the features line up quite well.

I'm no photo-identification expert so it's totally possible there is a correct and incorrect way to do this, but at the very least, I've attempted to put forth a more objective way to test the evidence rather than just state our personal anecdotes or experiences or intuition, etc.

Raf... I am of the opinion that you believe the narrative being fostered by officials, without a full understanding of the circumstances.

I concur with outerheaven.. I Strongly suspect that None of the children that have been claimed to have been killed, are indeed, 'dead'.

I had viewed a live report of a boy from the school being interviewed, and he responded to the reporter's question about 'what he heard'... He heard Only about 6 or 7 'loud bangs', And That Was It... If 26 beings were being shot up, you'd hear a LOT MORE 'bangs', than just 6 or 7, as Well as Screaming and Running Children, desks being thrown about, etc. You don't hear Anything about that.

In My opinion, the fact that All the children's families had Connecticut State Troopers STATIONED At Their Homes, for about a Week, as well as not being 'allowed' to view their child's body for identification, but, rather that they were shown a Photo (as per official narrative), All in combination that All The Contractors who were brought in to demolish the school had to sign a 'Confidentiality Agreement', to NOT disclose what they saw in the course of the demolition, points to a Serious Act of Misinformation and Misdirection on the part of the State and Federal Governments.

I too read a few reports that 'Adam Lanza' Never Existed. The photos they show of him look Terribly photo-shopped, and almost All look to be from the Same perspective - i.e.; the Same photo-shopped image, with background and some details 'adjusted' to give the Appearance of being a different photo/location/time.

All in all, a Complete Fabrication.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Referee]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by outerheaven (here)
I think it's easier to make a case for it when you see a side-by-side picture comparison. Here's a quick vid:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4-5yQL3-Q

Are they the same kids? I can't say, obviously. But IMO the kids do look alike, and some are really similar. It wouldn't shock me if so. This would be, after all, the kind of demented "hidden in plain sight" sociopathic behavior that I've come to expect from the PTB.

Pure nonsense, bro.

I was watching this second video and I was like "wow...some of this kids are pretty much the same as the pictures", just to find out that those are not Sandy Hook victims at all.

Here's a list of Sandy Hook victim's names:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/...-hook-victims/

The kids from the video who are really obviously the same kids as the compared pictures (Walker Previdi, Nate Wheeler, Freddy Hubbard and Jake Hockley) and who could give this hypothesis some solidity, aren't Sandy Hook victims.

What a joke...This guy is misleading people...

The only kids who really look alike with the compared pictures, which are indeed their own pictures, are not supposed to be Sandy Hook victims in the first place...The others have no similarities with the compared pictures at all.

Raf.

...The others have no similarities with the compared pictures at all.

First to post on controversial threads Straw man rebuttals? Where do you work?

[Selene]

Just to clarify my own personal views on Sandy Hook:

• While the entire event does indeed look like another false flag setup,

• There is, sadly, no good evidence that the children survived. Or if they did in some way, they are now prisoners of satanic black ops, not at home having milk and cookies.

While the barbaric nature of their murders may seem incredible to a normal human being, we need to keep in mind that the Illuminati masterminds of these events are psychopaths who do not share our feelings about the sacred nature of human life. To them, it is only a few pawns’ lives in exchange for whatever big war or destructive goal they envision. A mere inconvenience, a statistical detail.... And those who do these things might even argue [disingenuously] that the little ones are better off dead than under their slavery.

These are people who regularly kidnap, torture and assassinate anyone who has outlived their ‘usefulness’ to their tyrannical agenda. They’ve probably already ensured that the shooters or planners of Sandy Hook have had – or will have - other ‘tragic accidents’, in the same way that they killed off Seal Team Six witnesses after the false Bin Laden ‘execution’. Just another day’s work.

So I think that to the main point – was Sandy hook a hoax? – we are all in agreement. The question here is the fate of the children.

Regards,

Selene

[outerheaven]

Posted by Kindred (here)
Raf... I am of the opinion that you believe the narrative being fostered by officials, without a full understanding of the circumstances.

I concur with outerheaven.. I Strongly suspect that None of the children that have been claimed to have been killed, are indeed, 'dead'.

Well, thank you Kindred, but just to be clear, we were only discussing the topic in question: if the kids in the Superbowl choir could be the alleged deceased kids from Sandy Hook.

I don't know Raf's exact opinion about Sandy Hook, but he did say earlier that he questioned the official line of events. I just assume that most people around here are knowledgeable about the questionable circumstances surrounding these hyped media events.

... But again, just to clarify, I wasn't saying that the kids are definitely the same, because I don't know. Just stating that the kids in the photos look like the kids from the Superbowl (though obviously the pictures of the victims are ~5 years younger than the kids at the Superbowl). Is it a stretch? Hell yeah it's a stretch! But so is the idea of what the government is putting down our throats in the first place. And we know how they love to flaunt their deceptions over us. Like I said, I don't put anything past our government at this point.

Thank you Selene, by the way, for your constructive and polite analysis.

[Selene]

Veterans Today has just published a compelling account of the Sandy Hook hoax. In it, they detail the suspicious circumstances surrounding the supposed/purported deaths of the children. Here: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01...laborate-hoax/

And it is indeed suspicious.

Posted by VeteransToday.com

..... “[T]he names and ‘contextually identifying information of involved children’ were withheld, including descriptions of the children, their clothing and their belongings”–Reuben F. Bradford, Commissioner, Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection

The New York Times, our nation’s newspaper of record (which records the “official history” of the United States), has reported that, with its “final report,” the criminal investigation of Sandy Hook by the State of Connecticut is over.

Remarkably, the report does not even include the names, the ages or the sex of the alleged victims of the shooting. There is no actual identification of any of the dead. Even the Danbury, CT, Newstimes found it unsatisfying.

<snip>

Compounding the situation, the parents were not even allowed to view their children’s bodies to identify them. Instead, they were reportedly shown photographs of the deceased. This was done, according to the Medical Examiner, Wayne Carver, in order to “control the situation.” But what was there about the situation that required “control”? No parent of our acquaintance would have agreed to accept the death of a child without viewing the body. James Tracy has published a discussion of the medical examiner’s performance. According to Carver:

“Uh, we did not bring the bodies and the families into contact. We took pictures of them, uhm, of their facial features. We have, uh, uh—it’s easier on the families when you do that. Un, there is, uh, a time and place for the up close and personal in the grieving process, but to accomplish this we thought it would be best to do it this way and, uh, you can sort of, uh … You can control a situation depending on the photographer, and I have very good photographers. Uh, but uh—“

Remarkably, the state has done its best to avoid releasing the death certificates and even recordings of the 911 calls. Death certificates were eventually “released” but not to the public or those who might want to investigate the case further, where only a short, general summary was available. According to The New York Times, in relation to the 911 calls, “no children are identified by name, no callers indicate that they can see a child being shot, and the only injury described is that of an educator’s being shot in the foot.”

Moreover, the funerals were all “closed casket,” with one exception—that of Noah Pozner. As recounted in interviews with the families, the circumstances of their last encounters with their children (or with their caskets) are strange to say the least. The “love fest” at the white coffin of Grace McDonnell was detailed on CNN for Anderson Cooper:

<snip of excellent material – read the original link>

The evidence demonstrates (1) that proof of death has been suppressed, (2) that emergency protocols were not followed, (3) that drill protocols were followed, (4) that there was foreknowledge of the event, (5) that there was confusion over what weapons were used, (6) that the suspect cannot possibly have carried out the shooting as claimed, (7) that strange behavior was displayed by officials, witnesses and relatives, (8) that there are many odd photos of participants, (9) that the crime scene was destroyed under conditions of secrecy and (10) that some of the children appeared at the Super Bowl.

With the possible exception of (5) and (9), all of these features would have low probabilities had Sandy Hook been a massacre but high probabilities were it merely a drill. Some of them are decisive by themselves, such as (1), (2), (3), (4) and (6)–not to mention (10).

EMTs cannot make determinations of whether a victim is dead or alive, so there should have been a surge of EMTs into the building to rush those little bodies off to hospitals where doctors could determine their condition. But that was not done–and nothing else about this event supports the conclusion that it was real. On the contrary, virtually everything indicates that this was a drill.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01...laborate-hoax/

So it seems possible that either:

1) There were no actual children. They were fabricated identities/bodies in the first place (with the possible exception of Noah Pozner, who may have coincidentally died the same day under other circumstances and his remains brought into the story), or

2) The children were real, but removed alive for some more sinister purpose.

I do hope for option 1) here. Option 2) seems like an unnecessary stretch when it is [apparently] easier to compromise children by other means. If kidnapping children was the objective, they took unnecessary risks and involved far too many people who could blow the whistle.

Either way, it appears more and more probable that none really died at Sandy Hook, and the entire exercise was some kind of ‘test’ of public gullibility and mind control.

Cheers,

Selene