The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[Eram]

To compare hylozoics with new-age and scientism is completely incorrect TH.

If you were to compare it with other models, you might try Gnosticism or Theosophy.
At least there, you can find overlaps.

[TraineeHuman]

Fine, if you say so, Eram. I guess scientism is usually accompanied by the denial of any level of reality beyond the physical and its epiphenomena. But as far as I can see so far, Hylozoics admits the existence of higher planes of reality but seems to have basically the same (or equivalent) assumptions about each higher plane as scientism and positivism have regarding the physical plane?

[Eram]

Ahh, I see how you got to such a comparison.

Well, my knowledge of hylozoics does not go very deep at the moment, so I am on thin ice when trying to explain this...
Hylozoics says that the emotional worlds and the lower mental worlds are thought responsive, so you get conformation for everything that you hold for truth and so it is not possible to find objective proof for anything there.

Calamus might be able to give a better explanation.

[Highwhistler]

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Part 2: .Natural abilities I've noticed when Out of the Body

In my fully conscious OB experiences -- no matter where my non-physical out of body "form" is at on the planet or anywhere in the Multiverse -- I have the ability to instantly and effortlessly check back in with my meditating physical body-mind at its physical location on Earth.

For example: during an OB experience in which I (as a functional center of awareness that is wide awake and separate from the physical body) am exploring a lake and forest ecosystem that is hundreds of miles away from my meditating physical body-mind, when I get the notion to check in on my physical body-mind to see if it's OK -- I don't have to travel back to my body in physical terms. What happens to me is that a part of my awareness instantly appears in my physical body ... and I can see and hear what the physical body-mind is thinking, how its meditation is going, how the body is calm and relaxed, I can even use the body's ears to detect sounds in my home and in the world that surrounds my physical home ...

Then, when I'm satisfied that all is well with my physical body ... in less than the twinkle of an eye, I am fully back into the conscious OB experience and will resume exploring the lake and forest ecosystem.

What I believe is happening here, is that the non-physical individualized Presence that is me (as well as you and everyone, I imagine), is not locked into a psychic box as a single Presence. It is not exclusively a single conscious functional center of awareness all the time. It has the natural ability to duplicate itself -- or to send parts of its awareness to other locations. Each part is functioning in the here-and-now as an individualized Presence, all are working simultaneously ... and all are linked and can share their experiences back to you, the dominate awake Presence. This all happens effortlessly and you know it's a totally natural thing to do, when out of the body.

In the example I gave above, about being out of the body and having a fully conscious experience and then having the ability to check back into my physical body mind -- that example expresses the understanding that my physical body-mind is not turned off during the fully conscious OB experience, but it has a relaxed functioning Presence that is continuing normally. But, the dominate focus of my awareness is in the version of myself that is OB and having experiences at a distance.

I believe that the webs of connection that link the different offsprings of Presence to one another is not the electromagnetic field or anything physical -- it is a quantum field-based communication system.

For instance, when the awake and alert OB Presence has the desire to see, feel, know what is happening at a distant location, it can stay at its current location and effortlessly make a conscious part of itself appear in that distant location, and send back information and experiences from that other location. It's kind of like the dominant OB Presence is the central intersection where all information is being gathered up and experienced, and it has conscious satellites of itself at other locations gathering their own experiences and telepathically sending their data back to you, the dominate Presence.

To me, this ability is not used during every OBE ... but it's just one of the unique natural abilities that I've noticed I have (and I assume everyone has) while OB.

It is also evidence that says that Presence is not limited to a single, local version of itself, but that it is much larger, it is quantum field-based, and that conscious parts of it can be in multiple locations simultaneously.

Once you go on several bright and awake, conscious excursions away from your body, you realize that you (as a functional non-physical center of awareness -- a Presence) can appear fully conscious back in your body instantly. There is no need to worry that you will not be able to find your physical body, because you will know throughout your being that you are linked to it.

For instance, let's say you are in a full-blown conscious OB journey, and you are a thousand miles in physical distance from your physical body ... but back at your physical body and physical home, your baby cries or your dog barks -- in less than the twinkle of an eye and with no effort whatsoever, you will suddenly appear fully conscious and fully present, back in your body so that you can immediately check on your child, or see what the heck the dog is barking at.

Just in case you're interested, here's the link to Part 1 of "Natural abilities I've noticed when OB."

[Highwhistler]

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2 FREE OBE DOWNLOADS

Hi Friends,

I just remembered that in a book of short stories that I wrote several years ago, there are 3 stories that contain out of body experiences.

You are invited to download a pdf version of the book for free. Click the image or link below:

Stories for Transformation > Volume 1 > pdf


Here are the start pages for the 3 stories and a brief intro into the intention behind each one:

Starts on page 80
Tree of Life
This story will help people who are bothered by obsessive thinking.

Starts on page 100
Finding My Inner Father
This story helps people who have issues stemming from a very dysfunctional relationship with a parental figure.

Starts on page 130
Eternal Heart
Two stories, read separately, intertwine into one. The stories speak of compassion that knows no boundaries, multi-dimensional reality, the prime importance of pets and the magical ways that the Universe can use our Presence and its natural abilities to help others.


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And just in case you missed one of my earlier posts on this thread, here's an essay I wrote that you are also welcome to download and freely share with others:

Introduction to the OBE

[TraineeHuman]

One thing I take it Laurency is apparently quite unaware of is that these days philosophers and sociologists generally agree that that which is certain is not objective, but intersubjective. For instance, if you attempt to doubt everything, the one thing you can't doubt at all, whatsoever, is that there is some kind of consciousness in whatever "you" are that's doing the doubting. That certainty is something each person experiences subjectively. But it's essentially the same experience, and hence the same certainty, in everyone's case. Hence it's intersubjective.

Also, recently we're seeing Teka very clearly describing direct experiences in astral projection and also in "mystical" states of consciousness. These would also be considered intersubjective, because they are direct -- I would claim often more direct than any physical sense experience -- and because everyone can experience them, provided they realize their potential to do so.

On the other hand, objective truth generally has to do with scientific theories. And a necessary condition for a scientific theory to be acceptable is that it has to be falsifiable. If it's discovered not to be falsifiable, it gets trashed. However, anything that's falsifiable is, by definition, false. The idea is that a good scientific theory will also be one which it's extremely hard to falsify. From some recent posts regarding the electric universe I understand that Newton's theory of gravity is getting significantly falsified, or at least qualified, at last -- but that's been an exceptionally long run for a scientific theory to last.

I'd also like to briefly mention one of the inadequacies of the scientific method. I'm not denying that science provides us with some valuable knowledge -- but it's not the only valuable knowledge, despite the scientific mindset's egocentric worldview that no other knowledge is valid. The scientific method involves extreme manipulation and overcontrol of whatever is being experimented on. Preferably it should be inanimate, but if animate it needs to be rendered almost inert, and restricted to a very narrow set of choices of how it's allowed to behave. Notice how this ties in with heavy conditioning and things like fascism and the way communist states have usually been governed. If the experimental "subject" -- it's actually very objectified or blindfolded and gagged, so to speak -- is a living creature, then the experiment won't work unless the experimenter either de-creaturefies (or de-humanizes) the "subject" successfully, or can discount most of the creature's animate qualities -- such as the exercise of freedom of choice. But you need to read the discussions in the philosophy of science of the last few decades, particularly by Paul Feyerabend, who is the generally acknowledged star in that field.

[Highwhistler]

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Part 3: .Natural abilities I've noticed when Out of Body

Before I begin with Part 3, I would like to be clear that all of what I'm sharing about the OB experience has come from my direct, first-hand experiences. This does not mean that what I've experienced happens to everyone and in the same way. My experiences are not the laws of the land, the laws of the spirit, nor the laws of the cosmos. They simply are my experiences. Everyone can and will have their own unique OBEs ... and your experiences may be 180-degrees different than mine. I welcome that to be the case.

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OK, this sharing will be about once you are out of the physical body and fully awake as a functional, mobile, center of awareness -- if you are anything like my non-physical Presence in OB, by default you are self-balancing, self-orchestrating, self-realizing, you are cool, calm, and have arrived in a state of being that has ethics beyond the current cultures of the physical world.

For instance, one might think when in the physical body, when using the physical mind, and having the normal thoughts, desires, and passions of worldly life ... you might think:

"Man ... when I get out of the body, I'm going to immediately go over to check out my hot neighbor, maybe try to see him or her in bed, in the shower, or with her top off." or "When out of the body, I'm going to spy on such-and-such, and get to the bottom of this conspiracy." or "When out of the body, I'm going to pay a little visit to my enemy, or to this celebrity that I'm crazy about, or to the President."

But when it actually happens -- when you are out of the body and fully aware about what is happening -- if you are like me, you could care less about any of those things mentioned in the paragraph above. Not only do you not care, you would never dream of doing those things. Those burning desires and fantasies usually do not even arise in your awareness when involved in the wide-awake OB experience. That's just worldly stuff ... and those considerations have nothing to do with your essence, with your nature, your desires, your understandings and your relationships to Spirit, Nature and the Cosmos, when out of the body.

When out of the body, you are in a different part of your being ... which does not use the mind, desires and passions that are part of the physical body-mind, or the character that you portray in the physical world. The wide-awake centered Presence when out of the physical body, in my personal experience, instantly knows itself to be a part of Nature, a part of the spiritual multiverse, a part of the vast Cosmos ... and you are utterly comfortable in this identity.

One who does not remember having OB experiences, may think that when they go out of the body for the first time and are wide awake in full consciousness, they may think that they will freak out and go crazy in fear. But in my experience, just the opposite happens. You, as a non-physical Presence that is out and away from your body -- you are totally calm, clear, at peace, at ease. You are more awake than ever before. The out of body Presence that you are, is absolutely composed ... you feel and know that you've done this a million times before, you inherently know your nature and abilities, and you may even feel more at home in OB, than when in the physical body and doing your daily external life. You may feel for the first time in your life, that Nature and the Universe are embracing you, supporting you in every way, and certainly sustaining your freedom to be in the OB state.

When fully awake out of the body, there are natural high ethics of the cosmos built-into you and part of the very fabric of your nature. All the desires that you have in physical form, are gone. You feel that you do not want to hurt a fly, that you have no enemies, that you are part of Nature ... you are emotionally harmonious at an other-worldly level. All that is self-evident. You do not feel like a citizen to any country, a member of any religion or culture ... you feel more like a natural awake Presence and totally interwoven into the earthly ecosystems that come into your awareness, and the entire Universe.

Simultaneously, without even thinking about it, you have deep respect for all the significant considerations that your physical body-mind has in its current incarnation. Hence, if your body in physical form needs to go to work, or attend to a child, or go to the bathroom, or whatever ... your out of body Presence respects that and will end the OB experience immediately. All of the consciousness that was focused out of the body having experiences at a distance, will instantly, effortlessly, and harmoniously, be reassembled back into your full awareness in the physical body.

And so the abilities to be self-balanced, self-orchestrated, self-realized, and to act completely ethical are part of the dna of the OB Presence.

Equally fascinating is what happens to the part of your being that is here in 3D -- you, here in the physical world. After having fully conscious OB experiences, you develop a new level of street smarts about how to see, feel, know and behave in the physical world. The OB experience does not make you more wacko ... you don't think: "Well, since I can fly in OB, I can jump off a building and everything will work out just fine." You don't think: "My kid can play in the street because she's really a non-physical Presence." You don't have those types of thoughts. You will have your head screwed on straight in healthy new ways, effortlessly.

The OB Presence transmits some of its knowledge about the Multiverse to you, and you assimilate it into your practical day-to-day physical world existence. It may no longer be a problem to get up and go to work, the little things don't bother you, you now have a deeper respect for your physical body and creating a harmonious environment at home for your loved ones. You are instantly drawn to things like hospice work, and protecting the energetic atmospheres of your loved ones, you're more appreciative of gardens, trees, rivers, the star-filled skies, the magic and mystery of life.

Once you have the fully awake OB experience, and if you can figure out how to have the experience at will ... something else may change for the version of you in the physical world: You certainly will have no need for meditation teachers, gurus, saints, priests, books, their holy messages, their words of wisdom, you will no longer give them adoration, you will have no interest in their temples, churches, websites, workshops, Youtube videos and so on. They will now appear to you as normal, everyday people -- no wiser, no better, no more sacred than you or any of your neighbors.

If they (professional spiritual teachers) happened to be across the street ... you probably will not even take the time to walk across the street to go see them, as to you they now appear to be no different than the average Joe. If fact, they, their words, and what they represent may no longer be interesting to you at all. More than likely, their teachings will seem to be a bunch of words and hype -- wishy-washy crap designed for mass consumption, that has absolutely nothing to do with your own daily spiritual reality composed of your own direct, clear, repeatable, normal, first-hand experiences. When you have your own dynamic spiritual experiences continually and with ease ... who needs a spiritual master to mentor you in the physical world?

Just in case you're interested, here are links to Part 1 and Part 2 of "Natural abilities I've noticed when OB."

[TraineeHuman]

Highwhistler, I love your superbly clear descriptions, and the great depth of your experiences and realizations. My only concern -- if I may -- is that most members -- including most of the very earnest, very genuine ones who undoubtedly thirst to begin to find liberation, or more of whatever they've achieved so far -- most of these will have trouble relating fully to many of your experiences because they haven't had such experiences themselves, or not as fully or consciously.

I guess it's probably a little like the way the South American Indians simply didn't see all the tall Spanish galleons that had weighed anchor in plain view of their shores. I understand it was only when after a few days some of their shamans observed that the galleons were clearly there, that the rest of the Indian population started to at least admit the possibility that those ships were there. The shamans, of course, had diligently trained themselves to see reality much more clearly or fully. But I understand it took weeks for any of the other Indians to become vaguaely conscious they might indeed be seeing such ships. I understand that for most of them, it was only when Spanish soldiers appeared before them that Spaniards ceased to be invisible in their eyes.

I'll be the first to admit that in this thread I've probably put too much emphasis on describing higher level experiences and phenomena that I too know or have seen. And I've hopefully learnt a little regarding that from reflecting on some of your posts. In many of my posts, though, I've made at least some attempt to look for connections with the situation of the beginner, etc. It would be great to hear more about your journey to getting where you are now. Including anywhere that you failed, or felt temporarily discouraged. It sounds like you've practised meditation -- or Silence -- for an hour or two (?) close to every day over many years. It also sounds like you developed your OB projection, including bilocation, abilities via what you achieved or experienced through meditation?

One question I imagine many would be wondering about is: what kind of journey (for lack of a better word) did you go through to get where you are today? What kind of potholes did you encounter? What kinds of suffering? What types of misguidance from yourself or others?

Another major question would be what were some of your experiences of the journey of slef-psychotherapy (or whatever) and self-watching -- to transform the ego, and the shadow. And how did you manage to do that successfully? And, for example, did you find yourself going through a very, very long period of what seemed like increased suffering before the suffering eventually started to become lighter and lighter? And how did you deal with the insanity of our society and civilisation before you were stable in the Silence? Also with the need to both survive in it financially and emotionally and also to learn from it in a psychological/spiritual sense, by engaging in it and experiencing relationships?

Then there's the issue that in an internet forum much of what we can offer is only words. How do we help others get over the tendency to want to figure it all out intellectually -- in advance! Can you perhaps offer an instructive exercise or two, or something along those lines? And can you, for example, perhaps offer something more to any people who insist there are no infinities because they have never experienced one?Other, that is, than something along the lines that once they have directly experienced and realized a sufficiently high level of reality, they will understand?

[Highwhistler]

TH requested that I share a little of my own spiritual background as well as meditation & OB techniques that I feel might be helpful to beginners. I will divide my responses into 2 posts ... one today and another in the next couple days. This message is about my spiritual background.

But first I should say that even tho I've meditated everyday for 40 years, I too, am a beginner. Every moment I'm right back to the original psychic starting point -- the beginning -- with no rules about how I will do this or that, or with preconceptions about what should happen, and what will happen next.

Actually, the beginning is a great place to be as you are not bound by spiritual teachers and systems, their messages, their energies, psychic spaces (as well as empty spaces), their stories and techniques.

A beginner with an open heart is like a child who is free to play, explore, and to create experiences -- beyond the boundaries and levels of perceptions that popular spiritual systems are trying to get you to engage with, to see, feel, and to believe in.

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I started meditating in 1970 and have done it everyday, ever since. I was initiated by a lovely guru of sound & light meditation, and from 1970 to 1985 I meditated at least 3 hours a day ... usually getting up at 3am and meditating straight to dawn -- doing classic meditation, sitting in the full lotus, meditating the way that I was taught, sometimes with mantras and other times with silent inner focusing techniques. I followed all the suggestions by my meditation teacher and moved right up the levels of perception, as prescribed. Countless times I awakened at midnight and would meditate straight through to sunrise ... and would get in hours of bonus meditation on days that I was free.

I also was not locked-into a single meditation technique or system, but was interested in everything. I gave a good test-drive to all techniques and their belief systems that came my way. I especially liked the open psychic spaces of Buddhist meditation, but found the male monks and their followers to be spiritually robotic in 3D space and not very much fun to be around. I still love their safron robes and all that ... but felt most of them to be lacking in true joy, expansive inner freedom, and without any assimilation of the energies, insights and mind-styles that are native to children and women. Still, when people ask me what type of spiritual thing I do, I often reply: "It's like Buddhism ... but with a hell of a lot more fun."

While my early spiritual meditative explorations were unfolding, I married and had 4 children. Two are now teachers of English and Physics ... and 2 passed away, one in my arms. These profound experiences got me interested in hospice ... and through the years I've been at the bedside of many to assist & comfort them and their families, and to witness their last moments of this incarnation. Btw: I've worked in a hospital emergency room for a few years and am not squeemish with bandaging wounds, helping the sick, and being with people when they pass on.

A few years after my kids passed away (in the early '80s), I slowly awakened to new understandings about who and what I am as an ordinary human being, the nature of normal consciousness experienced continually, as well as the entanglement of conscious Presence with local physical ecosystems as well as simultaneously a part of the infinite non-physical Multiverse.

Again: these realizations were a gradual, slow unfolding and they did not come in a flash. But over time I had continual realizations about the anatomy of consciousness, the nature and abilities of Presence, and the entangled infinitely well-designed Multiverse that we are part of.

My meditation master, nor the Buddha, nor any teacher of any spiritual system, nor any book that I had come across, had ever mentioned the things that I was realizing. Understanding that I was in an original incredibly alive spiritual space and not wanting to break the continuity of my love for it ... I boldly tossed out every scrap of material spiritualism that I had collected over the years. I thew out my guru, his teachings, his spiritual system, his view of the Universe. I deleted every conventional meditation technique from the spaces within my heart, mind and subtle energy systems. I tossed out all spiritual ideas that I had ever used, all books, articles, holy beads, posters, meditation cushions, clothing, all sacred sayings, shrines in my home, all teachings -- everything gone-gone-gone.

And so I started all over from scratch.

Rather than using the energies, transmissions and ideas from meditation teachers -- I went on my own path with nothing ... just my Presence and the Multiverse. From then on, everything would be from direct first-hand, repeatable, continual experiences.

Very quickly, this freedom allowed me to instantly quiet my mind in creative new ways -- to "stop the world" so to speak -- and to merge with the silence, stillness and infinite peace of the Universe. Not clinging to or limited by anything taught before, I became able to use my Presence and attention in new ways ... with absolute ease. This unfolding of ongoing self-realization, self-balancing, self-orchestration began close to 3 decades.

I'm most interested in:

• the anatomy of awareness

• the nature and abilities of Presence, and

• the entangled Multiverse that the Presence experiences first-hand, in this ... the eternal moment of Now.

Within the anatomy of awareness, I have a special interest in:

• the nature and abilities of our primary focusing tool of awareness: the attention.

I do not study what popular meditation experts say, I don't buy or read their books, their essays, their articles. I don't go to their classes and workshops. I'm uninterested in the teachings of classic meditation teachers as well as the trances they share with others. For me, that stuff is not inspiring. Simultaneously, I embrace the Multiverse and welcome ALL to exist and freely express their insights, beliefs and passions in whatever ways they so desire ... whether I'm dancing in-tune with them, or not.

Again: my own, personal, primary method of research, exploration and understanding is through direct, repeatable, wide-awake, first-hand, ordinary, everyday, completely natural, normal, fully conscious experiences.

I'm not a teacher of anything ... just a gardener, that's all.

But continuing with TH's request, in my next message I'll share with you a condensed form of the meditation techniques and points of views that I currently use, that may also be helpful to open-hearted beginners.

I am a spiritual radical and my messages will certainly step on the toes of many people's belief systems as well as go against the grain of conventional meditation and OB techniques. And so you are invited to toss my ideas to the side without a single care in the world.

Indeed! -- Please -- go your own way, develop your own methods and views, don't follow me or anyone else. Find your own truths ... and change, delete, and update your truths whenever you please.

Be a light for thy Self.

[TraineeHuman]

Part of a PM from Libico:

I was wondering if you could recommend a few books designed to introduce quantum physics to the layman? I recall you mentioning The Dancing Wu Li Masters but was wondering if this is the best place to start.

My response is as follows. Physicists have had little option but to accept quantum theory, because without it they're unable to describe or explain all the physical phenomena they study. But quantum theory isn't the ultimate, either, by any chalk. Basically, I'd describe what quantum theory is pointing to as the interaction of infinities with the worlds of forms and objects.

In the language we use we have words occurring one at a time in a single, one-dimensional sentence.That isn't how the HM works. The HM doesn't take in or give out one "word" or sentence at a time, but huge, gigantic numbers of them simultaneously -- all from many, many different directions at once, so to speak. That makes it very difficult for anyone to describe what the HM equivalent of "language" is like.

But I'll give it a bash. The first language I learnt was Lithuanian, which in its original form is a universal language. (It's older than Sanskrit, and very closely related to Sanskrit.) In a universal language, any two words that sound similar have closely similar meanings. One word in English which kind of almost behaves like a word in a universal language would is the word "see". In English we also have the word "sea" -- which, if you ponder it, really refers to your entire horizon of view, without singling out any one item. And that's what the sea looks like when we're looking at ocean, but you can -- at a slight stretch of the imagination (bigger than what you'd need in Lithuanian) -- just manage to stretch it to this. If you look at them carefully, words like "seat" and "scene" and "seem" and "seep" are all kind of linked to what we see. Even the ending "-cy" usually means "whatever we see of" whatever precedes it. I'm not sure if "cedar" or "cease" can fit into this. But maybe you get the idea. When I was very, very young I learnt most Lithuanian words by guessing, and getting my parents to correct me where necessary. That was because I already knew roughly what the new word I was looking for would sound like. Can you see, though, that in an important sense when you're using one word in such a language you're also pointing to all the words that have a similar sound -- and even, more indirectly, to all other words in that language at once? I've read in the Forum how more evolved ET races seem to use universal languages, or something even beyond that. Well. of course they do. Universal languages -- such as Lithuanian and Sanskrit -- give at least a hint of what the HM's true "language" is more like.

I'm saying all this because, as I see it, in some respects even quantum theory is only really a baby step to such a more evolved level of "language". I certainly know that, and deeply feel the inadequacy of English. I'm pretty sure Highwhistler, for instance, would agree. One other thing I'd add is that quantum theory is used in physics to link to, or to reinterpret, talk of objects and energy. But I'd suggest that in itself it's more a gateway to other things than objects. The concepts of form, matter and space were invented, in recent times, by Socrates, and developed by Aristotle. But Socrates, Aristotle and Plato all freely admitted that Heraclitus' conceptual framework was incomparably superior to their own. And that they didn't teach the latter only because it was too hard for others to understand at that time.

The language we use, and the concepts we use, aren't neutral, at all. Nor are they anywhere near as passive as most would imagine. They actively mold what things seem "visible" to us and what ones seem quite invisible. In posts # 1446 and #1440 I've already described what I understand to be some of the negative or destructive consequences of using object- or matter- related concepts -- as long as they're taken to cover the whole truth rather than a limited, finite subset of a much bigger picture.
It's way past time for the human race to take the leap of adopting a a different set of its most basic underlying concepts.

Moving now to books or whatever regarding quantum theory. Yes. The Dancing Wu Li Masters is the easiest to read -- though some of the Tom Campbell videos, such as those quoted in this thread, are also simply expressed. And there's an older book by Fritjof Capra, called The Tao of Physics, which doesn't cover as much territory.

In your case, Libico, you may find interesting connections with some of the Kabbalistic teachings. Most (though not all) of the physicists who developed atomic and subatomic theory were of Jewish descent. Some of them noticed that the phenomena they were trying to make sense of as physicists seemed to make sense only in terms of various Kabbalistic notions, which they seemed to fit with like a glove. They weren't aware of Taoist notions, but the Kabbalistic ones are very good also. Some of the developers of modern physics wrote extensively about their own deep mystical experiences, inspired by the discovery that even the physical universe reveals so much about much higher dimensions. de Broglie and Bohr in particular wrote wonderfully and at length. A more contemporary leading physicist, if you can follow him, is David Bohm, who died a few(?) years ago. After J. Krishnamurti's death in 1986, Bohm took over the leadership of Krishnamurti's "followers". Krishnamurti being rather widely recognised as the authentic latest reincarnation of the Buddha.

In another post I'll respond to the rest of your PM, Libico.

[TraineeHuman]

To continue in response to Libico's PM, in that PM he writes:

when sending out strong thoughts and intentions I find I often get shivers up and down my spine. Since I've been meditating more frequently when asking to connect with my Higher Mind or guides I get these shivers too (quite a bit and they've been happening more frequently as of late). It used to be when meditating I'd for example say "I would like to connect with my GA over x (Shiver)", now I am sending the thoughts much sooner on apparently so I am getting shivers much earlier and for longer lasting intensity. I get the same when projecting white healing light to my kids as I put them to bed, but the strongest shivers occur during meditation. I assume this to be normal but would be interested to hear your experience with such things. If it weren't coming from a positive place, the physical feeling would be indistinguishable from the same shivers you get from fear.

The shivers you're experiencing, Libico, are what occurs because you're pulling the meditation or healing "energy" into your physical body somewhat, no doubt in an unconscious attempt to experience it more fully through the body. I'm sure it feels very nice indeed, very loving, even if it also possibly feels intense or even, therefore, worrying. Both meditation and psychic healing are more effective in their power and their level of transcendence if the meditator or healer is able to detach from themselves (in any lower senses of the self, including the physical body). Paradoxically, the less you try to "do" anything as you, the more powerful the meditation or healing will be. Ditto the more you can relax/expand effortlessly into the Silence of letting everything be just as it is. In the case of psychic healing, though, that's with the qualification that you also need to be focused on the client and being uninvolvedly one with them and the intention of their getting healed. So, healing is a little more complicated. It involves staying with and in the transcendent and yet from that position reaching back into the physical. But you're slightly overdoing the reaching at present.

Such shaking or shivers of a positive kind can certainly be quite useful, though, to anyone who isn't sure about when or if they're experiencing their HM at all. In the nineteenth century, members of the Society of Friends used to be known as the Quakers. That was because at their meetings they would sit in silence -- and ideally in the Silence -- , and if a member felt they received an inspired message from their HM, they would stand and share it with the others. They called themselves Quakers because they considered that when the Spirit filled them their bodies would shake with heightened energy. We should remember, though, that they lived in a very puritanical and uptight age. In that rather repressive culture, allowing themselves to feel something physically that was very pleasurable would have been considered taboo, except under certain special circumstances.

If you detach from trying to feel the physical energies of shivers or tingling in the spine and hands or whatever, you can still learn to more subtly feel the beauty and positivity of such energies. Actually, that's how I usually go to sleep -- feeling the subtle ever so sweet pleasure and love of -- my HM, I guess.

I'd also like to mention here that in a fairly recent post I unfairly neglected to acknowledge how much a number of members have in fact been working on some or all of the exercises in this thread. In addition to Libico and the ones mentioned in my earlier post, these would certainly include seeker1972 and Eram and no doubt Freed Fox, as well as at least several members who haven't posted much or at all, including Laura Elina, for instance.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Highwhistler (here)
My meditation master, nor the Buddha, nor any teacher of any spiritual system, nor any book that I had come across, had ever mentioned the things that I was realizing. Understanding that I was in an original incredibly alive spiritual space and not wanting to break the continuity of my love for it ... I boldly tossed out every scrap of material spiritualism that I had collected over the years. I thew out my guru, his teachings, his spiritual system, his view of the Universe. I deleted every conventional meditation technique from the spaces within my heart, mind and subtle energy systems. I tossed out all spiritual ideas that I had ever used, all books, articles, holy beads, posters, meditation cushions, clothing, all sacred sayings, shrines in my home, all teachings -- everything gone-gone-gone.

And so I started all over from scratch.

Rather than using the energies, transmissions and ideas from meditation teachers -- I went on my own path with nothing ... just my Presence and the Multiverse. From then on, everything would be from direct first-hand, repeatable, continual experiences.

Very quickly, this freedom allowed me to instantly quiet my mind in creative new ways -- to "stop the world" so to speak -- and to merge with the silence, stillness and infinite peace of the Universe. Not clinging to or limited by anything taught before, I became able to use my Presence and attention in new ways ... with absolute ease. This unfolding of ongoing self-realization, self-balancing, self-orchestration began close to 3 decades.
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I do not study what popular meditation experts say, I don't buy or read their books, their essays, their articles. I don't go to their classes and workshops. I'm uninterested in the teachings of classic meditation teachers as well as the trances they share with others. For me, that stuff is not inspiring. Simultaneously, I embrace the Multiverse and welcome ALL to exist and freely express their insights, beliefs and passions in whatever ways they so desire ... whether I'm dancing in-tune with them, or not.

Again: my own, personal, primary method of research, exploration and understanding is through direct, repeatable, wide-awake, first-hand, ordinary, everyday, completely natural, normal, fully conscious experiences.

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Indeed! -- Please -- go your own way, develop your own methods and views, don't follow me or anyone else. Find your own truths ... and change, delete, and update your truths whenever you please.

Be a light for thy Self.

Once one is stably in touch with Presence, one is at a higher level than the mental worlds. Anybody else's words will exist only at such a mental level. I believe that's the reason why no guru, master, teacher, book, system, and so on can point fully or adequately into the Presence one experiences then. So yes, you're quite right. And it's so ironic that beginners and seekers don't realize it, don't even imagine it could be so, but there's far, far more wisdom and true knowledge available effortlessly when you're in touch with Presence. By comparison, who needs books, or systems, or forums, or whatever?

On the other hand, I find others' words may still be of some use even when we are the zillionaires of life who have Presence. That's provided, of course, that we don't put too much trust in those others' words rather than in our Selves, in our Presence.

I've listened to and worked intensively with many teachers. They could all see, though, that I always kept my own counsel and my own self-sufficient esteem -- rooted in my own Presence, in the light of which they always somehow fell short, and that purely because only I could be my truest teacher. I first had an enlightenment experience just after my sixteenth birthday. That was without any (physical) teacher -- except maybe some very old trees! After all, it was just a matter of experiencing Silence at its deepest, which included experiencing that what I truly was was that.

Then I eventually had more than a hundred teachers with all of whom I worked intensively for several months or occasionally years. In most cases I did everything, or nearly everything, that they claimed was necessary. Quite often they claimed that theirs was the best method -- at least for achieving certain skills or releases. Many of those teachers would judge me according to how much progress I made in mastering their particular methods. If they did so, they would mostly invalidate and trash whatever I had already achieved in Presence. Or they would say something like that I was with great certainty just remembering a previous lifetime or whatever when I had been living at a higher level. Liars. But the very best ones never said anything like that at all.

As (so-called) time put more and more distance between a teacher and me, I realized that in many cases their area of skill was more limited than what they had believed. But each time I also acquired some sets of skills with which to transform or face the ego more effectively -- and that was nearly always the major benefit of having known that teacher. Not that I didn't learn other skills as well -- including psychic skills like astral projection.

[loungelizard]

@Highwhistler

So are you basically saying that we should test everything for ourself?
If so, I would agree. And so would the Buddha!

"Do not accept any of my words on faith,

believing them just because I said them.

Be like an analyst buying gold, who cuts, burns,

and critically examines his product for authenticity.

Only accept what passes the test 

by proving useful and beneficial in your life."

The Buddha (Jnanasara-samuccaya)

The Four Reliances:
"Rely on the teaching, not on the person;
Rely on the meaning, not on the words;
Rely on the definitive meaning, not on the provisional;
Rely on your wisdom mind, not on your ordinary mind."


The Kamal discourse:
"Do not believe a spiritual teaching just because: 

1. it is repeatedly recited, 

2. it is written in a scripture,

3. it was handed from guru to disciple,

4. everyone around you believes it,

5. it has supernatural qualities, 

6. it fits my beliefs anyway,

7. it sounds rational to me, 

8. it is taught by a respectable person,

9. it was said to be the truth by the teacher,

10. one must defend it or fight for it.

However, only when it agrees with your experience and reason, and when it is conducive to the good and gain of oneself and all others, then one should accept the teachings, and live up to them."


Where I would disagree with you is when it comes to the role of a teacher. There is no problem - in any area of life, including the spiritual practice - in appreciating the help a genuine teacher can offer. Let's be honest here…if we want to learn anything in this lifetime, we need the help of those who have gone before, and owe them a debt of gratitude.

The role of a teacher is to help us discover our own inner teacher.

One of the main reasons I value my teachers is they confront me, they stretch me. That which I have considered to be profound insights and realisations have often disappeared in a puff of ego-perfumed smoke when challenged !

In your journey, how do you ensure that you don't slip comfortably into smugness, or arrogance? It's very tempting to want to wrap up our wounds carefully in soft bandages, instead of exposing them to scrutiny and so start the healing process.

@Trainee Human - I apologise if I have taken your thread off slightly.

[Kalamos]

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[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Calamus (here)

Do you ... believe in reincarnation?

Have you considered that people are on different developmental levels?

Yes, I believe in reincarnation because it seems to be by far the best explanation for certain very clear memories I have, such as of what happened before, during and after my conception just before this lifetime.

I believe one of Teka's points is that we're all the same, though. So what if some individuals may have already gone through certain stages of the journey in past lifetimes or on other worlds? Some may indeed need to stay on the train longer while others are getting off at one of the next stops. So what? The process is still exactly the same for everyone. We're all ultimately equal. We just need to slightly adjust our point of view -- to the fact that we all are equal, and are all extraordinary beings. We are all much, much more alike than we are different. We all spend years learning much the same facts at school, like the multiplication tables and language and all that stuff. And we all have the same feelings/emotions. If I experience fear, it's exactly what you experience too, except there may be a difference in degree, plus there'll maybe be a difference in how we individually allow ourselves to interpret it. And if I've gotten to a point of freedom from most forms of unhappiness, it's only been by being caught in all the same unhappiness first and feeling all the same suffering, probably more intensely than others for years, before finding a way through it all. (I needed the joy from meditation to be able to bear all that suffering.) And even after all that, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. By which I mean that one still has to constantly watch themself, to not resist but feel all the feelings/emotions inside as they come up all the time, plus watch it all with detachment.

[Highwhistler]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by Calamus (here)

Do you ... believe in reincarnation?

Have you considered that people are on different developmental levels?

Yes, I believe in reincarnation because it seems to be by far the best explanation for certain very clear memories I have, such as of what happened before, during and after my conception just before this lifetime.

I personally believe that reincarnation is the real deal.

I think and feel that it is the normal and natural method of existence that unfolds for an individuated Presence, as it explores and experiences the physical dimension ... and other dimensions, as well. You, the reader, are an individuated Presence -- which is commonly known as a "soul."

In no way are my words, ideas and beliefs written in stone. They are not Universal Truths that apply to every being, everywhere. After all ... my beliefs are only derived from my own continual direct first-hand experiences. You, and every other being in the whole Universe may have first-hand experiences that are 180-degrees different than mine. I whole-heartedly welcome and embrace your experiences and your points of view, as being equal to mine, and as valid as mine ... and that our realities & perceptions exist, simultaneously.

I admit that my first-hand experiences are limited, regarding an individuated soul essence living on, after the physical body dies.

My experiences involve being with many people in a hospice situation over 3 decades, at their bedsides, and witnessing when they pass away. I've repeatedly noticed that a non-physical Presence that inhabited a body, has left the physical form at the moments of so-called "death," and outside of the body the Presence is doing just fine -- in fact, It is way-way better than fine -- it feels FREE. Other people in the room at the moments of transition often comment on experiencing the same thing. There is frequently a collective sense that the individuated Presence that everyone knew, is grateful for all who are gathered, It is so happy to complete the transition, It is loving and utterly calm, and the Presence most often transmits a sense that It is ready to move on to new worlds, new dimensions, and new experiences in the Multiverse.

Also, for over 2 decades I've had many of my own personal experiences of me -- as a wide-awake fully conscious Presence -- being outside of my physical body, and I'm functioning totally naturally and comfortably at a distance from my physical body. These experiences have made me think and feel that the Presence does indeed live on ... and that it has the ability to migrate to new lifetimes, bodies, and dimensions ... maybe even to other Universes.

There are countless additional data streams of experiences, intel, memories and knowledge that have flowed through me (as well as many-many-many people in 3D -- especially children) regarding the knowledge that an individuated Presence does indeed live on, and on, and on. In the near future I will attempt to describe these first-hand experiences in understandable, entertaining ways.

I believe that you -- the Presence who is reading this message ... when your physical body passes away, that you will awaken into another reality. That is ... you will be a Presence in another reality. The transition time from the physical world to the next existence will be immediate ... and for most people, no matter what they did, or thought, or believed in the physical world ... they will feel completely at home, and the actual mechanics and unfolding of the transition will be surprisingly smooth and easy. I believe that most Presences feel more at home and more real after they leave the physical body, than they ever felt here in the so-called physical world.

After the body passes away, rather instantly you will realize that the recent journey into the physical world was primarily for the pure joy of exploring and experiencing for a limited period of space and time, the physical dimension, its cultures, families, mind-styles and collective realities. You may want to return to a new body, a new family, and in a new space and time, and many Presences do ... but you certainly don't have to.

When no longer attached to the physical dimension, you as a dynamic, alive, vibrant, multi-dimensional Presence are far free-er (is that even a word?) than what the popular religions, greatest enlightened gurus, and the most respected spiritual teachers who have ever lived on Earth, have ever said you are.

Happy trails! ... in peace ...

[jounai]

Oooh, I like your energy/experience,TraineeHuman. Haha, no I didn't read through all the pages posted so far (70+ pages...bit to lazy for that ). Have you read my ET contact thread? What I'm doing in that thread is very close to what you describe as OBE though I haven't got to the stage where I completely separate from the physical body. I have been holding myself back in this somewhat since I already go very fast forward. When I do my traveling in Spirit to different dimensions (been to densities in the range of 3-7th so far) I seldom have the experience of "traveling" somewhere. I just are where I intend to be, much like teleportation. Hehe, sometimes I even exist at several places at once when I'm messing around with the beings I hook up with wherever I travel. I also have a habit to poke people. Haha.

I don't really have anything I wish to ask you since I will probably wake up fully to the experience of Spirit travel and whatnot soon enough. Everything has its time. I have been doing this traveling, in some shape or form, for about 6 months now and meditation for about 4 years on and off, so I'm kinda new to this still. I'm the type that is completely self learned besides reading some posts like yours and practically experience things for myself. Luckily I have a strong sense of intuition that guides me to not go to fast forward but take my time enjoying the experience. Oh and I'm 26 so I guess I'm just as old you were when you started with this. Haha.

[TraineeHuman]

Hi, jounai. I hadn't read any of your thread, but from what I've read of it so far I don't think it's covering much similar or parallel territory to this thread. After all, virtually all of the multiverse exists "OB" or maybe even beyond that. The physical world is only a tiny corner -- versus all the rest of what exists. So, as I see it, "things OB" covers ever so many different things, and almost everything there is.

You're concerned with exploring ET civilizations. Although I've been visited by various ETs and other beings, and briefly seen all sorts of worlds -- and nearly all the physical or almost physical ones I saw seemed more utopian than ours --, my focus has always been, and continues to be, very different. My interest has been focused on two things. One of these is psychotherapy and psychic healing, and using OB skills and phenomena for that. My other focus has been on not lingering in any world if possible, but always going to higher and higher dimensions/levels, mostly via the Silence; but also on integrating that into one's life in the physical world. Obviously you're on a roll, and nothing could stop you from continuing to explore ET civilizations even further.

I'm also interested in the Higher Mind for many reasons. One is that that is what takes us OB, as far as I know. Secondly, in the physical world we have a physical mind, but the Higher Mind is non-physical, so we can't have physical-mind memories of it or its world. I don't believe we can "translate" everything we see in OB worlds into physical terms. The higher the level of OB, the more "untranslatable" things become.

[jounai]

Haha, yeah that might be true. Everything spiritual has kinda merged into one theme now for myself...so I don't tend to separate between different types of ideas within the same theme. An analogy might be if you have two different flavored icecreams...some people might name them after their different flavors (such as strawberry and chocolate) while i just say "icecream" to them both. ^^

Ah, okay I believe I understand you to some degree. For myself the separation between what you call "higher mind" and "physical mind" is very thin and undefined as I kinda go around with an higher mind perspective during most of my days...it is very close to normal consciousness level for myself. I don't really use the visitations of other worlds and dimensions for healing and such ideas but rather just to explore, enjoy and see what is out there. I have a different more direct process for transmutation of limitations in the physiological and emotional matrices. Of course both these ideas complement each other very well as coming in contact with the higher realms of physical and non-physical experiences has a tendency to accelerate the transmutation process as well...and make the limitations of different types become more apparent. It really is exciting to see how the perspective changes from day to day.

Now I will stop hijacking your thread and wish you (and everyone else) a merry Christmas. Enjoy!

[Highwhistler]

TH requested that I share a bit of my meditation background (click here for that) as well as meditation and out-of-body techniques for beginners. This is the post regarding techniques.

Also, related to this message are my 3 earlier posts "Natural abilities I've noticed when Out of the Body:. Part 1 .|. Part 2 .|. Part 3

Before we begin, please know that everything shared in this message is from my own experience.

You and everyone in the whole Multiverse are infinitely welcome to have your own experiences. I invite and support your differing points of view and I truly want you to develop your own personal techniques that work well for you. And of course: you are FREE to change and update everything, whenever you please! Your experiences, beliefs, techniques and truths are as valid as mine. You are equal to me, and I to you.

I bow to you. You are another me, and I another you.

In this message, I use the worda "I" and "you" and "we" ... and I also write in 3rd person -- all are in a poetic, artistic sense. I'm not saying that my messages are a truth for you, or anyone else in the whole Universe ... nor am I saying that they are Laws of Consciousness written in stone. No freekin' way!

All I'm doing here is translating my first-hand experiences into words ... and trying to make the messages understandable, digestable and entertaining for a broad, diverse audience. And so again: please know that when I use "I" or "you" or "we" and when I talk in 3rd person ... those are figures of speech to help make these ideas flow through words, more clearly.

OK, this message will be divided into 2 parts: The first part explains my Self Identity, Cosmic View & a natural ability of the Presence ... which is essential to understanding the mechanics of the second part that covers Out-of-Body & Meditation Techniques for Beginners.

Btw: I am a beginner with you. I'm not a teacher.


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Self Identity, Cosmic View & a natural ability of the Presence

I, like you Dear Reader, are a Presence -- a non-physical, atmospheric, spirit-essence -- a functional center of life and awareness.

We, as Presences, have many extraordinary but completely natural abilities that most of humankind are not presently aware of. But there will come a time in the not-so-distant future, when the knowledge of who and what we are and the positive, creative applications of our abilities will be considered completely normal and commonplace.

Our type of Presence, our species of Presence you might say, are called Creators. One of the many things that we have been designed and educated to do is to is occupy human forms on 3D life-bearing planets. When incarnated into a physical human form -- we are local and interwoven into the exterior fabric of the terrestrial ecosystems, the physical human families and cultures that we know so well. Simultaneously, there is a silent, but more dominant part of our being that is non-local (quantum field-based) -- it is united with other Presences, and in fact, it is entangled with the Universe of Universes -- the Multiverse.

The dominant part of what we are as Presences, primarily lives in fields of infinite silence, emptiness, peace, love, creativity and acceptance. It is at-home in the quantum field. It is ever-present in our physical bodies throughout our lives. But at this moment in humanity's evolution on Earth, the dominant spiritual Presence that we are, stays largely behind the scenes and is not commonly visible or even understandable to the outward-oriented materialistic awareness of most people.

Again: there is a part of our Presence that is oriented to the physical world ... and simultaneously there is the larger part of Presence that is quantum field-based.

To have intentional, fully conscious out-of-body experiences, I use the natural abilities that are part of the normal functioning of the quantum part of my Presence. Specifically: it is the natural ability to effortlessly make a part of my awareness appear and function in another location, while simultaneously having a part of my awareness remaining in my original location. Esoteric writings have called this "bi-location" -- it is that, but it's also much more.

Actually, everyone has experienced this in their normal everyday lives, but since it's as common and ordinary as breathing, no one talks about it. To make this clearer, let's first look at how mobile a feature of the Presence is ... I call this feature "dominant awareness."

For example: when you are walking on a path through the forest and loving it, your dominant awareness is focused "outside" to the beautiful trees, the path, the incredible smells of the woods, the twittering of the birds and so on. But when you are day dreaming or when you are having a dream while sleeping, your dominant awareness it totally focused in the inner worlds. You are not aware of the external worlds. And so you can see that your dominant awareness easily goes from the external physical world ... to the inside worlds of dreams and imagination. This movement of your dominant presence, from outside to inside, is absolutely effortless. It is an essential part of our basic everyday human nature.

But its also totally natural for your awareness and Presence to be in 2 places, simultaneously. For instance: all of us have been on a long boring road trip, and many times during the trip our awareness drifts off into wonderful daydreams, imaginative inner movies, memories of the past or plans for the future. Have you ever been so lost in your inner thoughts while driving ... that when you suddenly return to full awareness that you are driving on the highway ... you realize that you don't have a single memory of driving for the last couple miles? Yet ... you stayed safe on the road, passed cars, you were aware of other vehicles in front and behind, you might even of noticed some of the ecosystems beside the highway.

What actually happened in this situation is that your dominant awareness was indeed focused in the inner worlds of your day dreams ... but you intuitively had the street smarts to leave enough of your awareness out in the physical body-mind-eyes-and-ears, so that you could safely navigate the physical world, pass cars, go around curves, look behind, look forward and all that. You see: your awareness was actually in both locations simultaneously -- that's how you pulled it off. It is so natural and ordinary, that we aren't even aware that it's happening.

Now just imagine, this same process and natural ability of awareness has been happening throughout our lives, in all areas of our lives. Not only do we have parts of our awareness tuned-into the outside world and the inside worlds simultaneously ... we can also have multiple parts of our awareness outside our physical body at the same time, and all parts are functioning with consciousness ... aware of their surroundings ... and it's so absolutely easy and natural that most people don't have a clue that its happening.

For instance: most of the time we are not aware of our heart beating, or that we are breathing ... but those processes are happening quietly and simultaneously in the background of our awareness while we are going about our daily lives. Similarly: the ability of our Presence to send parts of its awareness to other locations, and all function quietly behind the scenes, doing their jobs with the greatest of ease ... well ... that's just an absolute normal, natural, common, and "no big deal" type of thing that we do. Most people are not aware of it, but it is happening all the same.


An Out-of-Body Technique for Beginners

To intentionally create a fully conscious OB experience, I use that natural ability described above. First I use my attention to send a part of my awareness out of the body to an external area -- say to the top of the room that I'm meditating in -- and then I get my dominant Presence to appear in that center of awareness that is away from my body.

Once my dominant Presence is out of my body, I usually take a few moments to settle into it. Once settled-in, I start moving in full awareness to other locations in my home, and to the outside world -- all while fully conscious and out of my body.

Not only can you in the OB experience, move to other locations in the physical world, you can also jump to other dimensions as well.

When out of the body as a dominant wide-awake Presence, you also have the natural ability to check back in with your body-mind in the physical world, in the room where it is meditating, to see how it is doing. Now, the awareness in your physical body while you are fully OB will be similar to the quantity of awareness that you left in the physical body when you were driving along daydreaming ... as in the example above.

Get it?

Babies and young children are probably going OBE as a normal part of their lives ... but over time their parents, teachers, friends and society slowly orient their energies, awareness and beliefs to those of modern cultures. Eventually, the fully conscious aspects of their OB journeys disappear from their awareness.

And so if you are an adult and you want to do fully-awake OBE's, you probably will have to practice. Again: the reason that you may have to practice is because most of us have been conditioned by our parents, teachers and society to only be aware of an incredibly narrow range of conscious spiritual experiences. Practicing helps to dissolve the energetic, psychological and belief barriers that block our natural, first-hand, valid, on-going, psychic experiences ... and the knowledge that comes with them.

First, find ways to totally relax your body, so much so that your physical body can, more or less, disappear from your awareness. I do not recommend sitting in classic meditation poses -- like the lotus or half-lotus -- as they often create noticeable physical stresses on people in different areas of their bodies. Try meditating in a comfortable chair that has the ability to lean way back ... or simply lay in bed, or on a couch. You want to be wide awake and totally fascinated with the process.

Next, practice projecting a small part of your awareness out of your body, and looking around the room with the senses that are functioning in that projection. I call this type of projected awareness -- functional centers of consciousness -- as they have the ability to function: to see, hear, feel, gather intel, and move to other locations at will. The streams of data that they gather (imagery, sounds & feelings) are sent back to you -- YOU, the dominant Presence in the physical body.

You can also practice projecting during your normal day ... when it is safe to do so. For instance, don't do it when you are driving a car. Practice projecting a fragment of your awareness out and away from your physical body when you are doing dishes, or taking care of the garden, whenever you are relaxed and doing a chore that does not take all of your awareness.

For myself, I find it most easy to project a part of my awareness straight up and out the top of my head -- 2 or 3 feet away, and slightly to the right, slightly forward. Then, once it is up there, see if you can get a "satellite feed" from its observations. At first you may get foggy glimmers of it (the functional center of awareness above your body) looking down at you doing the dishes, or looking out the window. At this moment, your dominant awareness will be in your body, doing dishes ... and you will be receiving data streams of imagery and movies from what the external center of consciousness is observing.

You may naturally think "This is freekin' crazy! Pure imagination, that's all." But I encourage you to not judge or label anything that appears in your awareness ... just let all the imagery come and go, come and go, come and go. Be neutral. You don't have to believe it ... and you don't have to not believe it.

If you practice this enough, you will see that the visual streams being received from the external center of consciousness, are getting brighter and clearer. Believe me: these streams of awareness have the ability to eventually become crystal clear ... as if you are bright and wide-awake, looking around, above your physical body and using your actual physical eye.

The next step is to get your dominant Presence into the center of consciousness that is outside your body. Experienced OBE'rs can instantly teleport their dominant Presence to an external location with absolute ease. Other people may have to consciously pull their dominant Presence out of their physical bodies and up into the functional center of awareness that is at the top of the room, or wherever.

A common technique is to imagine a rope made of silver light extending from the center of your body to the center of awareness that is at the top of the room. Then take your energetic hands and arms, and like you are climbing the rope, you take one hand and pull your energetic self up ... and then with the other hand, you put it farther up the rope and you pull your self up a little higher. Eventually you will get totally up and out of your body and be at the top of the room as a dominant center of full awareness. In the beginning, after arriving at the top of the room, I suggest that you not open your "eyes" right away ... but just float in bliss out of your body for minutes or more. Feel what its like ... and how good it is. Then slowly open your "eyes" and look around the room. Look down at your relaxed, meditating body.

For the first wide-awake excursions (knowing that you can repeat the process at will in the future) there is no need to go anywhere. You can just practice being out of your body and floating at the top of the room ... and then when you intuitively sense you are ready, return to the body -- it is as easy as can be. You return to your physical body as a dominant focus of awareness and you are fully present.

Once you are comfortable with this process, then you begin exploring the nature and abilities of your Presence when out of the body. You can see what it is like to go through physical walls ... go through the roof of your home, and outside to the physical world ... where you are hovering as a functional, wide-awake center of consciousness & Presence. When outside, I suggest that you fly to a nearby tree or favorite nearby natural place where you can be quiet ... so you can get use to being in this nonphysical conscious form.

In future excursions you will see that you have the ability to soar over your neighborhood, to nearby ecosystems, and even to other dimensions that can rightly be called "spiritual."


Meditation Techniques for Beginners

I am part of a family of Presences that use a meditation technique called Love. But this message has gotten so long, I will share this technique in another post in a few days.

If interested, here is a thread that I started on Silence & Love.