How to reduce the human population ???

[gripreaper]

Posted by SamwiseTheBrave (here)
Freshwater is a limited resource. Period..

Ah, not so sure about this one. Have you looked at NAWAPA? There are many video's on NAWAPA, but this one is pretty comprehensive with only a half hour of your time. It triples the amount of water, doubles the amount of agricultural land, generates massive gigawatts of excess electrical power, not to mention the 4 million jobs it would directly create to implement it, not to mention the increase in local jobs and commerce. Also, a complete rail system would be an additional benefit of NAWAPA, increasing commerce exponentially.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TpX8SG03shU

Here's the UCC-1 filing on it. That's 14 TRILLION, 300 BILLION, with a T. Please take note of who the debtor is and who the Secured Party is.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1...mericafull.pdf

NAWAPA has the potential to completely restore the entire North American continent to full employment and eliminate all debt to the banksters. Gee, I wonder why it is blocked even though the 14 trillion is already allocated?

There are complete water development plans for the other continents too.

[Kindred]

Well... Here You Go BG / OP... You've got what you wanted... Are You Happy NOW???

Leuren Moret: USA, UK Monarchy behind Fukushima radiation [world-wide] genocide

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zkZ7v_6nsl0

[blufire]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by SamwiseTheBrave (here)
Freshwater is a limited resource. Period..

Ah, not so sure about this one. Have you looked at NAWAPA? There are many video's on NAWAPA, but this one is pretty comprehensive with only a half hour of your time. It triples the amount of water, doubles the amount of agricultural land, generates massive gigawatts of excess electrical power, not to mention the 4 million jobs it would directly create to implement it, not to mention the increase in local jobs and commerce. Also, a complete rail system would be an additional benefit of NAWAPA, increasing commerce exponentially.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TpX8SG03shU

Here's the UCC-1 filing on it. That's 14 TRILLION, 300 BILLION, with a T. Please take note of who the debtor is and who the Secured Party is.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1...mericafull.pdf

NAWAPA has the potential to completely restore the entire North American continent to full employment and eliminate all debt to the banksters. Gee, I wonder why it is blocked even though the 14 trillion is already allocated?

There are complete water development plans for the other continents too.

It took me about 15 minutes to pull this info about NAWAPA from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_A...Power_Alliance

The engineering of the project and the creation of a large number of new reservoirs — many of them in designated wilderness areas — would have destroyed vast areas of wildlife habitat in Canada and the American West and would have required the relocation of hundreds of thousands of people — including the entire city of Prince George, British Columbia.[1] A number of federally designated Wild and Scenic Rivers in Idaho and Montana would be submerged under reservoirs, including the Salmon, Lochsa, Clearwater, Yellowstone and Big Hole.[1] The amount of electricity required to pump the water over the Rockies would require the construction of as many as six nuclear power plants.[1] Significant negative consequences were also predicted for Pacific salmon runs in the many Alaskan and Canadian rivers that would be dammed and diverted, reducing their flows. Luna Leopold, a conservationist and professor of hydrology at the University of California, Berkeley said of NAWAPA, "The environmental damage that would be caused by that damned thing can't even be described. It would cause as much harm as all of the dam-building we have done in a hundred years."[1]

In the 1970s, the plan began to encounter fierce opposition by a number of different groups on both sides of the border, based on concerns with its financial and environmental costs and the international implications of exporting Canadian water. The environmental movement, which viewed the plan as the "hydrologic anti-Christ,"[13] gained momentum in the early 1970s, and is credited with playing a major role in halting the project.[2][14] After initially expressing support for NAWAPA as Interior Secretary in the 1960s, Stewart Udall publicly ridiculed the plan after leaving office.[1][15] The project was opposed by public sentiment in Canada,[1] though Canadian financier Simon Reisman, who negotiated the Free Trade Agreement, the precursor to the North American Free Trade Agreement, was one of its backers and main promoters. Nonetheless, the Canadian position on free trade exempted water exports, in part specifically to pre-empt any attempted completion of Reisman's long-time pet project.[citation needed] The NAWAPA Foundation, which Parsons had founded to promote the scheme, closed its doors in 1990.[16]

It seems there are some very good reasons why this plan has not been implemented. But, I wouldn’t be surprised in anyway when our population reaches even further critical mass that it will be implemented.

And then after it IS implemented than people in the alternative world or like you grip will be yelling OMG look what they have done.

Damned (so to speak) if it is not done and damned when it will be done. Right?

[gripreaper]

Posted by blufire (here)
It took me about 15 minutes to pull this info about NAWAPA from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_A...Power_Alliance

It seems there are some very good reasons why this plan has not been implemented. But, I wouldn’t be surprised in anyway when our population reaches even further critical mass that it will be implemented. And then after it IS implemented than people in the alternative world or like you grip will be yelling OMG look what they have done. Damned (so to speak) if it is not done and damned when it will be done. Right?

That's all it takes for you to jump on the NAWAPA opposition side, fifteen minutes at Wikipedia? Oh my lord, we are screwed as a species. Now you're supporting the environmentalists that scream bloody murder every time a field mouse is killed with the big agri tractors? You can't have it both ways. Either you care about the environment or you don't.

Would you rather the rain forests of South America get cut down to make way for more farmland, or would you rather put water reservoirs up in the mountains? Would you rather support those who are good stewards of the land, or would you rather support corporatocracies which have no heart and soul, whose only goal is more corporate profits and control?

Why are you so hell bent on global imperialism and consolidation of corporate power?

[blufire]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
It took me about 15 minutes to pull this info about NAWAPA from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_A...Power_Alliance

It seems there are some very good reasons why this plan has not been implemented. But, I wouldn’t be surprised in anyway when our population reaches even further critical mass that it will be implemented. And then after it IS implemented than people in the alternative world or like you grip will be yelling OMG look what they have done. Damned (so to speak) if it is not done and damned when it will be done. Right?

That's all it takes for you to jump on the NAWAPA opposition side, fifteen minutes at Wikipedia? Oh my lord, we are screwed as a species. Now you're supporting the environmentalists that scream bloody murder every time a field mouse is killed with the big agri tractors? You can't have it both ways. Either you care about the environment or you don't.

Would you rather the rain forests of South America get cut down to make way for more farmland, or would you rather put water reservoirs up in the mountains? Would you rather support those who are good stewards of the land, or would you rather support corporatocracies which have no heart and soul, whose only goal is more corporate profits and control?

Why are you so hell bent on global imperialism and consolidation of corporate power?

I’m not Grip . . . I just want people to be very clear on what truly is happening.

I could ask why do you and so many others insist on remaining such a hopeless helpless victims?

All of this is surface chaos and it is so pervasive for a reason . . .

I posted more of my response on this thread
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...arijuana/page3

[blufire]

Gripreaper, Dennis, Paul, Raf, TargeT (let alone Bill and mods) . . . to name I few I seem to irritate the hell out of.

If I were to drop out of the forum today, who would be the voice of a ‘different color’? I know there are a few of us left . . . . but it seems I am the one of the only ones that refuses to back down and keep fighting (what I feel) is the absolute best fight I need to be fighting right now. I know I am not always right and get things mired up in my mind. But I, just like you, are sorting through all the crap and finding my footing and it is a daily task because of the constant onslaught and for me it is not only the onslaught of ‘them’ but I receive constant onslaught from PA too . . . . .and from the members who are the foundation of this forum.

I REFUSE to go down the easy road.

I REFUSE to become complacent and just accept what ‘they’ need us to accept.

I REFUSE to let them define the way I will live my life.

I REFUSE to let them beat me into the ground to force me to conform

I am staring them right between the eyes and daring them to deliver their BEST shot because I don’t give a damn

I SEE their outcome and I also SEE that I will thrive and survive no matter what

No matter the next year

No matter the next 25 years

No matter the next century.

But I also REFUSE to be converted by those in this forum that also ‘appear’ to want me to conform. I know I make people of the forum uneasy and angry and I say GOOD! Because if anything else it makes you THINK and I just may knock some out of the easy way of thinking and believing.

So would you rather I just leave the forum or would you rather I hang around and continue to be a pain in your behind?

I’m asking this sincerely.

The legacy I hope to leave will be that hope, strength, choice, wisdom and most of all peace

. . . . . and I can do this whether I remain on PA or not.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

This thread makes me think of how some people report feeling more suicidal after talking to a bad psychiatrist.

There is only a slight difference between ignorance and the wise refusal to waste energy on a dead subject.

The happy little animals in the Garden of Eden didn't worry about Carbon Footprints and Sustainable Misery.

[gripreaper]

Posted by blufire (here)
I could ask why do you and so many others insist on remaining such a hopeless helpless victims?

I don't know who you are talking to with this statement, as I see a concerted effort here at Avalon to move away from victimhood and go towards sovereignty, self determination and self responsibility.

I, for one, post nothing BUT how to be more sovereign, how to take responsibility for ones thoughts and actions, and how to extricate oneself from the coroporatocracy and debt slavery. I spend thousands of hours researching and learning and following others who have done just that. this is me being pragmatic and walking the walk, not just talking the talk.

In this regard blufire, you are unique and I respect you immensely, for you not only talk the talk, but walk the walk. This gives you quite a bit of lateral leeway in my book.

I still think it is important to point out that the controllers, who own everything and want to consolidate all peoples on the planet into a single totalitarian fascist control system, need to be pointed out and circumvented as much as possible, in order to bring forth sovereignty and move away from victimhood. This is a process.

No one is refuting the existence of a New World Order agenda. Where we seem to differ, is I DO NOT see these elite controllers as benevolent, with any care for the genome or this planet. You seem to believe that they are genetically modifying all species, toxifying the life support systems of this planet, in order to save the genome, when in my mind, nothing could be further from the truth.

You site your subjective experience as validation and your 30 years of farming, viewed through a paradigm of limited resources, juxtaposed against an ever expanding population which is cannibalizing the planet like a cancer eating its host. This paradigm is based on victimhood and scarcity.

I think and believe that the universe is abundant and view it more from the quantum level, as a hologram which we can choose to change any time we want to. Once we decide we are sick and tired of being victims and want to change the game, we are free to do so. How we create, once we learn how powerful we truly are, how we can tap into the matrix of all and create abundance from there, the 100th monkey will show up and a shift can occur. If this is too esoteric and not pragmatic enough, then so be it.

Suffice it to say, the bankster aliens indebted the farmers, caused the famines and starvation to manipulate the market, bankrupted and stole the land from the farmers, consolidated all resources into the corporatocracy, and then proceeded to introduce toxins into every natural process we humans use to survive.

They killed Kennedy, stopped the issue of currency without interest, imperialized all nations into debt slavery, blocked NAWAPA, stole all the resources, consolidated all power, foreclosed and bankrupted everyone, and vampired all the energy. How in hell is any of this benevolent, and how is exposing it victimhood?

Please tell me.

[mosquito]

Does it ALWAYS have to come down to this ? Why can't you both be "right" ? Is it at all possible that (like the famous fable of the 5 blind men looking at an elephant) you, we, are looking at the same projection screen but from different sides ?

I'm imprisoned in cage 'A' whose bars I'm unable to see; I can however see that you're imprisoned in cage 'B', whose bars you can't see, despite being able to see the bars of my cage. Furthermore we are both imprisoned in a larger cage, whose existence we are both aware of. Why do we have to argue about the colour of the bars ? Or whether we should call it cage 'C' or 'Z' ? Or which hypothetical bad guys built the damn thing ? Maybe WE built it ourselves .....

Back to topic perhaps ???

[Kindred]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
I could ask why do you and so many others insist on remaining such a hopeless helpless victims?

I don't know who you are talking to with this statement, as I see a concerted effort here at Avalon to move away from victimhood and go towards sovereignty, self determination and self responsibility.

I, for one, post nothing BUT how to be more sovereign, how to take responsibility for ones thoughts and actions, and how to extricate oneself from the coroporatocracy and debt slavery. I spend thousands of hours researching and learning and following others who have done just that. this is me being pragmatic and walking the walk, not just talking the talk.

In this regard blufire, you are unique and I respect you immensely, for you not only talk the talk, but walk the walk. This gives you quite a bit of lateral leeway in my book.

I still think it is important to point out that the controllers, who own everything and want to consolidate all peoples on the planet into a single totalitarian fascist control system, need to be pointed out and circumvented as much as possible, in order to bring forth sovereignty and move away from victimhood. This is a process.

No one is refuting the existence of a New World Order agenda. Where we seem to differ, is I DO NOT see these elite controllers as benevolent, with any care for the genome or this planet. You seem to believe that they are genetically modifying all species, toxifying the life support systems of this planet, in order to save the genome, when in my mind, nothing could be further from the truth.

You site your subjective experience as validation and your 30 years of farming, viewed through a paradigm of limited resources, juxtaposed against an ever expanding population which is cannibalizing the planet like a cancer eating its host. This paradigm is based on victimhood and scarcity.

I think and believe that the universe is abundant and view it more from the quantum level, as a hologram which we can choose to change any time we want to. Once we decide we are sick and tired of being victims and want to change the game, we are free to do so. How we create, once we learn how powerful we truly are, how we can tap into the matrix of all and create abundance from there, the 100th monkey will show up and a shift can occur. If this is too esoteric and not pragmatic enough, then so be it.

Suffice it to say, the bankster aliens indebted the farmers, caused the famines and starvation to manipulate the market, bankrupted and stole the land from the farmers, consolidated all resources into the corporatocracy, and then proceeded to introduce toxins into every natural process we humans use to survive.

They killed Kennedy, stopped the issue of currency without interest, imperialized all nations into debt slavery, blocked NAWAPA, stole all the resources, consolidated all power, foreclosed and bankrupted everyone, and vampired all the energy. How in hell is any of this benevolent, and how is exposing it victimhood?

Please tell me.

gripreaper; YES, YES, and YES. (and perhaps many more)

NONE of us are 'victims', in the strictest sense. WE CREATED THIS REALITY... EACH OF US - Individually, and Collectively.

Unfortunately, much of what We Believe has been scripted by Others. We accepted the Challenge and came here to Learn, and Experience. WE are ALL INFINITE CREATOR BEINGS, having a brief excursion in Physicality, Specifically FOR the EXPERIENCE.

As Gripreaper pointed out, We Can Change The Experience AT ANY TIME - If We So Choose (and Understand Our Creative Abilities).

I, for one, have come to understand this quite well, although the 'action' part is a bit harder to implement... FAR too many False Beliefs that hinder my Actions.

I repeat: We do NOT need 'population reduction'... what All humanity needs is UNDERSTANDING and ENLIGHTENMENT. (see dianna's posts on page 7!!!)

To recognize that We Are One, and that ALL Humanity GAINS from each individual that is manifested into this Reality.

Once We realize our collective Unity and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, then All this nonsense of 'population control' will be seen as the ugly side of manipulation that it IS.

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

P.S. - It came to me just a bit ago that, perhaps, the OP / Bright Garlick, with his personal challenge of being faced with his own untimely death, has now had the childish notion that, since He was going to die, then Everyone Else needs to die. This might be a reason for his multiple threads on the need for 'population reduction'. This points to an unfounded and destructive Belief in one's own Lack of Creative Capacity, and thus one becomes a Victim of said Beliefs. As such, I STRONGLY suggest that Bright Garlick purchase some books on Enlightenment, and having had a personal experience with my own challenges, I'll suggest the 'Seth' series by Jane Roberts. In particular, 'The Nature of Personal Reality'. This book alone provides great insight as to the nature of our individual Beliefs, as well as How to deal with them in creating a more Joyful and Beneficial Reality in our own Individual Experience.

P.P.S - Bright Garlick - Each of Us CREATES OUR BODY, and we each Choose When and How we are to be born, as well as When We Are To Die. YOU make this decision - No one Else. I envision you in your Peace and abundant Health for Many Years to come. Know that You Are LOVED.

[Robin]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Ah, not so sure about this one. Have you looked at NAWAPA? There are many video's on NAWAPA, but this one is pretty comprehensive with only a half hour of your time. It triples the amount of water, doubles the amount of agricultural land, generates massive gigawatts of excess electrical power, not to mention the 4 million jobs it would directly create to implement it, not to mention the increase in local jobs and commerce. Also, a complete rail system would be an additional benefit of NAWAPA, increasing commerce exponentially.

Posted by blufire (here)
It took me about 15 minutes to pull this info about NAWAPA from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_A...Power_Alliance

The engineering of the project and the creation of a large number of new reservoirs — many of them in designated wilderness areas — would have destroyed vast areas of wildlife habitat in Canada and the American West and would have required the relocation of hundreds of thousands of people — including the entire city of Prince George, British Columbia.[1] A number of federally designated Wild and Scenic Rivers in Idaho and Montana would be submerged under reservoirs, including the Salmon, Lochsa, Clearwater, Yellowstone and Big Hole.[1] The amount of electricity required to pump the water over the Rockies would require the construction of as many as six nuclear power plants.[1] Significant negative consequences were also predicted for Pacific salmon runs in the many Alaskan and Canadian rivers that would be dammed and diverted, reducing their flows. Luna Leopold, a conservationist and professor of hydrology at the University of California, Berkeley said of NAWAPA, "The environmental damage that would be caused by that damned thing can't even be described. It would cause as much harm as all of the dam-building we have done in a hundred years."[1]

In the 1970s, the plan began to encounter fierce opposition by a number of different groups on both sides of the border, based on concerns with its financial and environmental costs and the international implications of exporting Canadian water. The environmental movement, which viewed the plan as the "hydrologic anti-Christ,"[13] gained momentum in the early 1970s, and is credited with playing a major role in halting the project.[2][14] After initially expressing support for NAWAPA as Interior Secretary in the 1960s, Stewart Udall publicly ridiculed the plan after leaving office.[1][15] The project was opposed by public sentiment in Canada,[1] though Canadian financier Simon Reisman, who negotiated the Free Trade Agreement, the precursor to the North American Free Trade Agreement, was one of its backers and main promoters. Nonetheless, the Canadian position on free trade exempted water exports, in part specifically to pre-empt any attempted completion of Reisman's long-time pet project.[citation needed] The NAWAPA Foundation, which Parsons had founded to promote the scheme, closed its doors in 1990.[16]

It seems there are some very good reasons why this plan has not been implemented. But, I wouldn’t be surprised in anyway when our population reaches even further critical mass that it will be implemented.

And then after it IS implemented than people in the alternative world or like you grip will be yelling OMG look what they have done.

Damned (so to speak) if it is not done and damned when it will be done. Right?

I just finished watching the video, grip. Thanks for posting. I've given thought to more efficient harvestibility of rainwater runoff, but we must be extremely careful when even considering constructing such a project. I agree with blufire, but I'm not necessarily saying that the NEWAPA project is unfeasible. Anything that gives less space and resources to other organisms while giving it all to humans is just the wrong way to go...

In theory, I am not necessarily against carrying out such projects, because if implemented, they can surely bring a better way of life to people. It is natural too, as beavers are responsible for making reservoirs and changing ecosystems with the dams that they construct on rivers.

I guess I should rescind my labeling of freshwater as a limited resource...when counting alteration of freshwater circulation systems. I still think that tampering with the weather of the world and redirecting routes of water for the comfort of humanity is something that cannot be taken lightly.

The difference between the beaver and the human is that the beaver is not at war with the planet. The beaver understands its integral place in the ecological system, and does not try to kill off other species or drive them from their territories for the sake of global domination. The beaver keeps itself in the system of checks and balances to change waterways just enough to to keep the beaver species alive and balanced.

But humans...humans tend not to look at the Big Picture of what it means to be a part of an ecological system. We are just as a part of ecological laws (keeping diversity and abundance in perpetual balance) as any other animal...yet we think that we can conquer them.

If we were to implement this project, creating more reservoirs thereby creating more agricultural land and allowing more humans to populate the planet, then we are back to square one. When will we say enough is enough? When will we say that no more pristine wilderness will be cut down for more agricultural space or human territory? If we implement such a project, in the future we will have even more people...which will require us to find yet another way to create more agricultural land and human housing.

It has to stop somewhere and some time. When creating such vast reservoirs, we are changing ecosystems that are home to very specific niches with specialized organisms that are not very adaptable. Even if we find more space to fit more humans, we are providing less and less for other organisms...for the detriment to ourselves and our other Earth denizens.

Contrary to what mainstream science tells us, the beaver subconsciously knows that if it takes up more land and resources than it needs, thereby killing off other species, it will not be able to survive. When will humans also understand this?

[gripreaper]

Posted by SamwiseTheBrave (here)
When will we say enough is enough? When will we say that no more pristine wilderness will be cut down for more agricultural space or human territory? If we implement such a project, in the future we will have even more people...which will require us to find yet another way to create more agricultural land and human housing.

And NAWAPA would take land which is now unplantable, mostly in the southwest, and turn it into agricultural land, NOT cutting down forests. This is what we need to quit doing, like what is occurring in South America to the pristine rain forests.

Populations respond positively to better living conditions, not the other way around. Maintaining starvation, scarcity and environmental degradation is what increases population, not education, husbandry and projects which are in sync with nature.

I'm certainly not saying we humans can continue to keep F'kin like rabbits and proliferate unchecked, but I am saying that the earth can sustain, in harmony, sentient and empathic souls who live in harmony with her and do not live in a paradigm of scarcity, competition, imperialism, energy vampirism, self aggrandizement and survival of the fittest, wars and manipulation.

[Frederick Jackson]

The Center for Biological Diversity is very concerned about rampant human population growth and its role in the ongoing species extinction crisis It has a great newsletter on the population problem. See:

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/p...ing/index.html

[Chester]

Get a vasectomy (like I did) or have your tubes tied. Then enjoy your sexuality.

[Shezbeth]

Posted by Kindred (here)
Each of Us CREATES OUR BODY, and we each Choose When and How we are to be born, as well as When We Are To Die. YOU make this decision - No one Else.

"Oooooookaaaaaayyyy,... where is the evidence?" - Nassim Haramein

[davyj0nes]

Here's a good one, 7 billion and Counting fact sheet. Talking points about the impact on human population growth.

Hmmm... i wonder what they mean by "background" rate...

[Kindred]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Kindred (here)
Each of Us CREATES OUR BODY, and we each Choose When and How we are to be born, as well as When We Are To Die. YOU make this decision - No one Else.

"Oooooookaaaaaayyyy,... where is the evidence?" - Nassim Haramein

Yes.. I too appreciate and concur with Nassim's approach and his insights. But, his understandings are only the Beginning of a greater knowledge regarding Our Reality.

The Seth Material – page 113, 68th session, July 6, 1964
“Because I say to you that you create physical matter by use of the inner vitality of the universe, in the same way that you form a pattern with your breath on a glass pane, I do not mean that you are the creators of the universe. I am saying that you are the creators of the physical world as you know it.”

“Chemicals themselves will not give rise to consciousness or life. Your scientists will have to face the fact that consciousness comes first and evolves its own form… All cells in the body have a separate consciousness. There is a conscious cooperation between the cells in all the organs, and between the organs themselves… Molecules and atoms and even smaller particles have condensed consciousness. They form into cells and form an individual cellular consciousness. This combination results in a consciousness that is capable of much more experience and fulfillment than would be possible for the isolated atom or molecule alone. This goes on ad infinitum… to form the physical body mechanism. Even the lowest particle retains its individuality and its abilities [through this cooperation] are multiplied a millionfold.”

“Matter is a medium for the manipulation and transformation of psychic energy into aspects that can then be used as building blocks…. Matter is only cohesive enough to give the appearance of relative permanence to the senses that perceive it. … Matter is continually created, but no particular object is in itself continuous. There is not, for example, one physical object that deteriorates with age. There are instead continuous creations of psychic energy into a physical pattern that appears to hold a more of less rigid appearance.”

“No particular object ‘exists long enough’ as an indivisible, rigid, or identical thing to change with age. The energy behind it weakens. The physical pattern therefore blurs. After a certain point, each re-creation becomes less perfect from your standpoint. After many such re-creations that have been unperceived by you, then you notice a difference and assume that a change… has occurred. The actual material that seems to make up the object has completely disappeared many times, and the pattern has been completely filled again with new matter…”

Physical matter makes consciousness effective within the three-dimensional reality. As individualized energy approaches your particular field, it expresses itself to the best of its ability within it. As energy approaches, it creates matter, first of all in an almost plastic fashion. But the creation is continuous like a beam or endless series of beams, at first weak as they are far off, then stronger, then weak again as they pass away.”

Matter of itself, however, is no more continuous, no more given to growth or age than is, say, the color yellow.”

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An excerpt from Chapter 3 of “Seth Speaks” by Jane Roberts

Your scientists are finally learning what philosophers have known for centuries – that mind can influence matter. They still have to discover the fact that the mind creates and forms matter.

Now your closest environment, physically speaking, is your body. It is not like some manikin-shape in which you are imprisoned, that exists apart from you like a casing. Your body is not beautiful or ugly, healthy or deformed, swift or slow simply because this is the kind of body that was thrust upon you indiscriminately at birth. Instead your physical form, your corporeal personal environment, is the physical materialization of you own thoughts, emotions, and interpretations.

Quite literally, the “inner self” forms the body by magically transforming thoughts and emotions into physical counterparts. You grow the body. Its condition perfectly mirrors your subjective state at any given time. Using atoms and molecules, you build your body, forming basic elements into a form that you call your own.

You are intuitively aware that you form your image, and that you are independent of it. You do not realize that you create your larger environment and the physical world as you know it by propelling your thoughts and emotions into matter – a breakthrough into three-dimensional life. The inner self, therefore, individually and en masse, sends its psychic energy out, forming tentacles that coalesce into form.

Each emotion and thought has its own electromagnetic reality, completely unique. It is highly equipped to combine with certain others, according to the various ranges of intensity that you include. In a manner of speaking, three-dimensional objects are formed in somewhat the same way that images you see on your television screen are formed, but with a larger difference. And if you are not tuned into that particular frequency, you will not perceive the physical objects at all.

Each of you act as transformers, consciously, automatically transforming highly sophisticated electromagnetic units into physical objects. You are in the middle of a “matter-concentrated system”, surrounded, so to speak, by weaker areas in which what you would call “pseudo-matter” persists. Each thought and emotion spontaneously exists as a simple or complex electromagnetic unit – unperceived, incidentally, as yet by your scientists.

The intensity determines both the strength and the permanency of the physical image into which the thought or emotion will be materialized. In my own material I am explaining this in depth. Here, I merely want you to understand that the world that you know is the reflection of an inner reality.

Seth Speaks - Chapter 7, pg 86
To begin with, your physical form is the result of great emotional focus. The fantastic energy of your psyche not only creates your physical body, but maintains it. It is not one continuous thing, although to you it seems permanent enough while it lasts. It is nevertheless in a constant state of pulsation, and because of the nature of energy and its construction, the body is actually blinking off and on.

Now, this is difficult to explain, and for our present purposes it is not entirely necessary that you understand the reasons for this pulsing; but even physically, you are “not here” as often as you are. Your emotional intensity and focus create forms beside your physical body, however their duration and degree are dependent upon the intensity of any given emotional origin.

Your space is therefore filled with incipient forms, quite vivid, but beneath the regular structure of matter that you perceive. These projections, then, actually are sent out constantly. Some more sophisticated scientific instruments than you now have would clearly show not only the existence of these forms, but also the vibrations in varying waves of intensity surrounding those physical objects that you do perceive.

To make this clearer, look at any table in the room before you. It is physical, solid, and you perceive it easily. Now, for an analogy, imagine if you can that behind the table is another just like it, but not quite as physical, and behind that one another, and another behind that – each one more difficult to perceive, fading into invisibility. And, in front of the table is a table just like it, only a bit less physical appearing that the ‘real’ table – it also having a succession of even less physical tables extending outward. And the same for each side of the table.


Now anything that appears in physical terms also exists in other terms that you do not perceive. You only perceive realities when they achieve a certain ‘pitch’, when they seem to coalesce into matter. But they actually exist, and quite validly at other levels.

There are also realities, that are “relatively more valid” than your own; in comparison, strictly for an analogy, for example, your physical table would appear as shadowy in contrast, as like those very shadowy tables we imagine. You would have a sort of “supertable” in those terms. Yours is not a system of reality formed by the most intense concentration of energy, therefore. It is simply the one you are turned (tuned) into, part and parcel of. You perceive it simply for this reason.

Other portions of yourself, therefore, of which you are not consciously aware, do inhabit what you could call a supersystem of reality in which consciousness learns to handle and perceive much stronger concentrations of energy, and to construct “forms” of a different nature indeed.

Your idea of space is then highly distorted, since space to you is simply where nothing is perceived. It is obviously filled with all kinds of phenomena that make no impression at all upon our perceptive mechanisms. Now in various ways and on occasion, you can tune into these other realities to some degree – and you do so spasmodically, though in many cases the experience is lost because it does not register physically.

Not only are you part of other independent selves, each one focused in its own reality, but there is a sympathetic relationship that exists. For example, because of this relationship, your experience need not be limited by the physical perceptive mechanisms. You can draw upon knowledge that belongs to these other independent selves. You can learn to focus your attention to these other independent selves. You can learn to focus your attention away from physical reality,, to learn new methods of perception that will enable you to enlarge you concept of reality and greatly expand your own experience.

It is only because you believe that physical existence is the only valid one, that it does not occur to you to look for other realities. Such things as telepathy and clairvoyance can give you hints of other kinds of perception, but you are also involved in quite definite experiences both whole you are normally waking and while you are asleep.

The so-called stream of consciousness is simply that – one small stream of thoughts, images, and impressions – that is part of a much deeper river of consciousness that represents your own far greater existence and experience. You spend all your time examining this one small stream, so that you become hypnotized by its flow, and entranced by its motion. Simultaneously these other streams of perception and consciousness go by without your notice, yet they are very much a part of you, and represent quite valid aspects, events, actions, emotions with which you are also involved in other layers of reality.
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A more 'complete' and focused book on individual Reality by Seth/Jane Roberts, is "The Nature Of Personal Reality", which gives some very specific knowledge on how to "solve everyday problems and enrich the life you know" (paraphrased). I strongly recommend any of these tomes for that Greater Knowledge which is central to Humankind's Enlightenment.

However, the Most succinct statement was that issued by Jesus;

"Love One Another"

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[Shezbeth]

Make no mistake. I think very highly of the Seth material, and my introduction to it was supremely synchronistic.

Having said, I disagree with many of 'his' points. Clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition, etc. are all phenomenon I have experienced at more than a cursory level, but the inclusion or reference to such phenomena do not lend authority to his other words any more than say, the latest show on the History channel that makes similar reference. Moreover, his words are directed at individuals who are complete neophytes to anything metaphysical/esoteric.

Opinions are non-evidentiary when communicated in such a way. It is assumed that one grant that Seth is authoritative because of the comprehensive nature of his expression. Moreover, due to the otherworldy nature of his introduction/interaction one is expected to give more credibility if for no reason than to continue the exchange. What if/when his expressions fail to pan out? What if one's discernment/experience contests and contradicts what is expressed?

Simply, I like much of what Seth says, but is by no means evidence/uncontestable.

Edit: More simply, receptivity does not excuse naivete.

[Davidallany]

How often do we forget our insignificance as Earthlings within the bio-suits called bodies, compared to the vastness of the universe. Our limited intellectual prowess, our imaginary self importance, our human-centric conceits, and our efficiency-lacking languages all demonstrate that we are not ready to join the galactic family yet, where much wiser beings may exist. We need to be more prudent, more humble, and loving. Loving oneself means being completely honest with oneself, accepting whatever there is. It's all energy. Without acceptance one cannot genuinely be expected to move on. With love comes peace and tranquility, a sense of being completely at ease.
That is why i think that Avalon is one of the sanest places on Earth, where people come to learn from each other in spirit of co-operation and friendship and peace.
There are many members who have evolved and grew much faster after joining Avalon, I am delightful to include myself there.
I am pretty much aware of my ego and how easily it can take over if i let it, for that i take a deep breath and embrace the whole of humanity in my mind, sending my ego free and feeling at ease.
Keep in mind that no matter how far and wide we Humans expand within a species life time in the future, we will not be able to colonize a whole galaxy. Space is just too vast.

[Kindred]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
Make no mistake. I think very highly of the Seth material, and my introduction to it was supremely synchronistic.

Having said, I disagree with many of 'his' points. Clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition, etc. are all phenomenon I have experienced at more than a cursory level, but the inclusion or reference to such phenomena do not lend authority to his other words any more than say, the latest show on the History channel that makes similar reference. Moreover, his words are directed at individuals who are complete neophytes to anything metaphysical/esoteric.

Opinions are non-evidentiary when communicated in such a way. It is assumed that one grant that Seth is authoritative because of the comprehensive nature of his expression. Moreover, due to the otherworldy nature of his introduction/interaction one is expected to give more credibility if for no reason than to continue the exchange. What if/when his expressions fail to pan out? What if one's discernment/experience contests and contradicts what is expressed?

Simply, I like much of what Seth says, but is by no means evidence/uncontestable.

Edit: More simply, receptivity does not excuse naivete.

Well, if you don't wish to take my admonishment or Seth's words for understanding, perhaps you'll take a quantum physicist's:
pt 1

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OrcWntw9juM

pt 2

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FSxluvq5HI0

or, perhaps Nassim's own words are enough? Start at about 1:19:00, to about 1:25:00, although the entire piece is quite informative.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4zc0ICPoqlM

In Unity, Peace and Love