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    Sigh...

    L1A... if you review the pictures posted on this thread, you might be able to come to term with the fact that we have seen Ison coming in and out of the field of view of these LASCO cameras... even what was left of it -- be it dust particles, gravels, pebbles or even maybe boulders -- was tracked out of these cameras' field of view...

    All I can offer is my condolences, I am sorry for your loss.

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    When is the next "exciting" comet due? Seems we have been getting more than usual lately, either that or just more are making a name for themselves than is normal ...
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    Hi guys

    Comet ISON (or what remains) is due to be closest to Earth on the 26th December, passing over the northern hemisphere at a distance of around 40,000,000 miles. You can get an update on the speed and distance numbers by clicking on the following link :

    http://www.cometison2013.co.uk/perihelion-and-distance/

    If you're like me and have become a bit of a comet geek as a result of following comet ISON, you might like this next bit. It's a really interesting article written by one of the guys who was responsible for obtaining and processing the images taken by the Hubble telescope. You might want to get a cuppa on the go first though before you tackle it because it's quite a long read. I've only copied the first paragraph of the article to give you a flavour of what it's about. To read the full article, please click on the link that follows the quoted paragraph :

    Quote Hubble Encounters Comet ISON - How Science Trumped Spectacle

    by Max Mutchler

    The so-called “Comet of the Century”

    I never heard any of my professional colleagues refer to C/2012 S1 (better known as Comet ISON) as the “Comet of the Century.” I have avoided the term, and felt obligated at every opportunity to temper the expectation that ISON could become as bright as the Full Moon. Early on, I was quoted in local Baltimore news media saying “we prefer to wait” and “comets are unpredictable” and “you don’t have to oversell this comet,” which is the tone most scientists had all along. But this grandiose term stuck, regardless, and the heightened expectations drew increasing attention from the public and the science community alike. This in turn helped justify a massive worldwide observing campaign, making ISON one of the most carefully studied comets of all time.
    http://www.astrosociety.org/wp-conte...ab2013-118.pdf

    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    When is the next "exciting" comet due? Seems we have been getting more than usual lately, either that or just more are making a name for themselves than is normal ...
    Hi again DeDukshyn.....i don't know whether you're a seasoned comet-watcher or not and whether you've been through all this comet-watching business before but for me, learning about comet ISON and comets in general has been a real eye-opener and yes, i'd even go so far as to say it's been 'exciting'.

    There certainly seems to be plenty of comets nearby like you say. If i had more time (and more technical ability), i'd start a thread for every comet out there (now there's a scary thought !). I was looking at some charts the other day that i liked which puts some of these comets in their positions in the night sky. Here's the link to the site if you fancy playing around with it :

    http://in-the-sky.org/comets.php

    Also, thanks for the 'picture' advice you gave me in a previous post. Taking good quality photos is definitely a weakness in my game at the moment. I'm thinking that if there is one near enough to where i live, i might try and join an astronomy club. At least i'd get an idea of what sort of basic kit i would need to take decent pictures. My only concern would be the expense of getting the right equipment to do the job properly.....we're running a tight ship here these days.....eek! )

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Sigh...

    L1A... if you review the pictures posted on this thread, you might be able to come to term with the fact that we have seen Ison coming in and out of the field of view of these LASCO cameras... even what was left of it -- be it dust particles, gravels, pebbles or even maybe boulders -- was tracked out of these cameras' field of view...

    All I can offer is my condolences, I am sorry for your loss.
    Amzer Zo.....please try not to be so quick to misunderstand me (another laugh-out-loud post though.....good one.....you do make i chuckle ).

    The point i was making about using CME's to spot ISON related bits in the solar environment wasn't specifically related to the perihelion and post-perihelion events.

    One of many lines of thinking i've got going in my mind about ISON is that maybe a piece or pieces of the nucleus began breaking off long before the comet got into the inner solar system. We know from what we saw at perihelion that the nucleus wasn't as robust as some of the other comets that go around the Sun so i don't think it's inconceivable that once ISON entered the heliosphere it lost some of it's mass.

    We know it experienced a brightening episode when it was outside the orbit of Jupiter because that's how it was spotted. Who's to say that during that brightening event that a piece of the nucleus didn't separate from the main body ?

    In the images i put up in the previous post, i thought it was interesting that the flaring and the 'anomaly' were in a very similar area to the flaring that occurred when the main body of the comet went through the ecliptic. In my mind, i think that was another piece of ISON, still on the same orbital path as the main body of the comet but going through a little later.

    Of course, i am still learnin' and i'm sure there are probably a million and one reasons why something like that isn't possible. I'm more than happy though to have my fanciful 'meanderings' put right so feel free to fill yer boots.

    I might have to make looking for these 'anomalies' my thing because i aint half seen some weird stuff ! Have a look at the first link for instance. There is some sort of object driving in from the right and do you know what ? I've looked on every camera i can think of to get a better look at it and wouldn't you know it. There are big data gaps where the images should be. Very frustrating !!!

    There's also another object in the second link, heading in from the left although the signature of it isn't as strong as that of the object in the first link. The other images of 'anomalies' are pretty self-explanatory.

    Well.....i think it's all very interesting anyway ! What say you ?

    December 19th 2013

    http://www.sidc.oma.be/cactus/out/CME0008/CME.html

    December 20th 2013

    http://www.sidc.oma.be/cactus/out/CME0015/CME.html





    December 22nd 2013

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    Well, all right, keep "thinking"!

    Now, my assignment to you is to "think" about this: Whether Ison was a whole chunk or already an agglomerate of boulders, the latter would still follow the "laws" of orbits around their focal point(s).

    That includes speed and path.

    "Speed" implies that these chunks of Ison would still go along Ison orbital path at an identical speed as Ison. That is, not going ahead nor behind Ison... but going along at an identical location in space (spot) as Ison.

    These same, empirical, laws are what allows us to state that Earth isn't going to run into anything of Ison's trail, tails -- whether ions or particles -- in any future whatever f**king time lines one even dares to consider!

    Am I being clear?
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    Quote and the emphasis during the interview on how Pluto influences our lives...COMPLETE B.S. With that said, one shouldn't write off the rest of the content, but be sure to internally validate anything presented from external sources. The most powerful influence in your life bar none is YOU...every other influence in your life pales by comparison.

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    no knowledge of our environment

    Yet were the king pin when it comes to knowledge Out There!? in space? Lol sincerely

    I feel tht we are being played a great deal....yet at the same time there is also something very real going on in parallel. Thanks for your honesty!

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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Am I being clear?
    Crystal

    I had a look through some of the literature i was reading previously about comets to see if i can get a handle on where my thinking may have taken a wrong turn regarding the behaviour of comet fragments ?

    I think what it was is because i had seen images of fragmented comets and how the fragments are spread out over large distances :

    Quote

    A comet that is breaking up before astronomers' eyes has been captured in unprecedented detail by the Hubble Space Telescope.

    Comet 73P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 3 orbits the Sun every 5.4 years and was seen to brighten and separate into four large fragments in 1995. Now more than three dozen fragments have been found. Its orbit will reach its closest point to Earth on 12 May 2006, and in recent weeks, astronomers have observed more brightening events, suggesting the fragments themselves are breaking into smaller pieces.

    Now, Hubble has observed several of the fragments - including B (see image) - in detail after such brightening events. The break-ups leave the smallest fragments trailing behind the parent bodies at the largest distances, and some appear to disappear completely after several days.

    Several processes may cause comets to break apart. They can be ripped apart gravitationally after passing by massive bodies, disintegrate from heating after they near the Sun, break apart because they spin too fast, or pop apart when trapped gases escape from inside them.

    "Catastrophic break-ups may be the ultimate fate of most comets," says Hal Weaver of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, US, who is on the Hubble team. Observations with Hubble and other telescopes may reveal which of the processes are at work in Comet 73P.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/...eaking-up.html

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    This is the last panoramic mosaic of comet P/Shoemaker-Levy 9 taken on 17 May 1994 by the Hubble Space Telescope. The comet had broken into 21 fragments, all of which impacted Jupiter in mid-July of 1994. The comet fragments stretch across 1.1 million km of space (Image: NASA)

    Quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:06...o_IMG_9934.JPG

    Pieces of 73/P Schwassmann-Wachmann 3.....components B, G and R

    Quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FileIA08452.jpg

    Infrared image from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope showing the broken Comet 73/P Schwassmann-Wachmann 3skimming along a trail of debris left during it's multiple trips around the Sun. The flame like objects are the comets fragments and their tails, while the dusty comet trail is the line bridging the fragments.

    I hope i've got this right now. The only way comet fragments can spread out along a comet's orbital path in the way i was thinking is if the comet gets too close to a large object and it is pulled apart by the gravity/tidal forces of that object. As for comet ISON, it never went near enough to another object on it's way into the solar system for the type of fragmentation i was talking about to be an issue. Correct ?

    Please try not to see this as linked to passing through tails 'n' trails and whatnot.....it isn't.....this is how i learn and i feel blessed that you're here to teach me

    There was one more thing (isn't there always). Can you tell me whether it's possible that a cloud of protons and electrons was created when ISON disintegrated and if so, would these protons and electrons travel at the same speed as the comet that produced them ? I'm not completely sure that i'm asking the right question there though ? The reason i'm asking is because i noticed a couple of the monitors that measure these things started to react to something entering the magnetosphere and i was wondering (purely because today was supposed to be the day that ISON went overhead), whether there could be an ISON connection ?

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    Bravo! Yes I hear you...and I have felt "a show" looming here and there many times--especially as of late. There are so MANY things stated that make NO SENSE concerning our environment in, around, and out there.

    we have no knowledge of ourselves

    no knowledge of our environment

    Yet were the king pin when it comes to knowledge Out There!? in space? Lol sincerely

    I feel tht we are being played a great deal....yet at the same time there is also something very real going on in parallel. Thanks for your honesty!



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    Quote Posted by loveoneanother (here)
    [...]

    .... As for comet ISON, it never went near enough to another object on it's way into the solar system for the type of fragmentation i was talking about to be an issue. Correct ?
    Correct!

    Otherwise we would have seen not one comet along the long period orbital path but a whole flock... as with Shoemaker-Levy

    Quote Please try not to see this as linked to passing through tails 'n' trails and whatnot.....it isn't.....this is how i learn and i feel blessed that you're here to teach me

    There was one more thing (isn't there always). Can you tell me whether it's possible that a cloud of protons and electrons was created when ISON disintegrated and if so, would these protons and electrons travel at the same speed as the comet that produced them ? I'm not completely sure that i'm asking the right question there though ? The reason i'm asking is because i noticed a couple of the monitors that measure these things started to react to something entering the magnetosphere and i was wondering (purely because today was supposed to be the day that ISON went overhead), whether there could be an ISON connection ?
    Let's assume such a cloud was created; then what we have is a cloud of charge particles caught in the solar "winds" and blown away along the winds' path accordingly... in a similar way as with comets' "ion tails"... going away from the sun. It follows that we get a lot more "clouds of charged particles" from the sun's CMEs than from anything else. Assuming furthermore that that cloud was created right when Ison crossed the ecliptic at perihelion, not only that cloud would have an ever expanding explosion front wave and therefore only an ever diluting portion of it would follow along the ecliptic plane and go through the Earth orbital path long before Earth ever gets there -- at that point -- in about 6 months from now. By that time I expect those cloud forming particles to have been blown beyond Pluto by solar winds...

    Ever since perihelion, any alleged Ison ion tail would have been blown away from Ison's virtual position along its long period orbital path way above Earth and away from the sun... like so:



    ... which is still something that can happen with Ison's remnant gravels and pebbles still on Ison's long period orbital path.

    Next time you get to play with a garden hose/water sprinkler, imagine the water jet being the ion tail/particles cloud and the nozzle, the comet nucleus going around a sun/central pivot and watch where individual drops go... should give you a pretty good idea?

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    What can i say guys.....despite my fervent prayers and supplications to the comet gods, there was no final last act from what remained (if anything) of the main body of comet ISON as it passed over the Earth......boohoo

    That's another checkpoint passed in my ISON journey though. All that's left now is for the Earth to pass under the 'incoming' part of the orbital path of the comet and we're done......woohoo

    There's been a big 'fireball' event recently over North america which was witnessed by quite a few people. For more details, check out the following videos and links. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether you think it's ISON related or not ? I personally think the spate of fireballs that have been seen lately are part of some other bigger issue that i'm still trying to get to grips with

    A tweeter called MATT W asked Karl Battams the following question on his Sungrazer Comets twitter page.....

    Quote "Why is it that last night's Iowa bolide is already being declared pieces of comet ISON?"

    .....and Mr. Battams replied :

    "Sadly, every shooting star, meteor shower and bright meteor/bolide for the next month+ will be blamed on ISON's remains"
    Hehehe.....Yep

    Amazing vid here, check it out



    (The following is an extract only. Please click on the link provided to read the full article.)

    Quote Massive Fireball Over Iowa and Minnesota

    The AMS has received over 460 reports so far about a fireball over the border of Iowa and Minnesota. (Dec. 26th) around 5:35pm central time.
    Witnessed described a fireball as bright as the Sun that fragmented into many parts. Several witnesses reported sonic effects associated with the meteors including at least three reports of delayed booms.

    METEOR OVER NORTH LIBERTY
    The National Weather Service reported a possible meteor over Iowa last night, possibly catching it on one of its cameras.
    This morning, Assistant Streets Superintendent Dan Lange discovered that a security camera at the public works facility on S. Front Street captured the meteor.

    Source: Watch on Vimeo



    http://www.amsmeteors.org/2013/12/huge-iowa-fireball/
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    This might take a bit of sorting out but i'll post it anyway

    There's a video to look at in the first article i've copied. Click on the link that follows to watch it. A YouTuber has done an assessment of that video and this follows the article.

    The final YouTube video is BPEarthwatch's assessment of the YouTube video 'Fast moving comet type object 12/26/2013' which i put up in the previous post.

    I hope that makes sense

    Quote METEOR VIDEO : Fireball Lights Iowa Sky

    An amateur meteor spotter caught the moment when a fireball flew across Iowa’s sky Thursday evening.

    Tim Cline says he has two cameras pointing at the sky at his Williamson observatory. He says the footage shows a meteor flying north towards Des Moines.

    Consistent with witness reports, the timestamp puts the bright object flying by at 5:41 p.m.

    Channel 13 received several reports of a colorful fireball across the metro and even on the Iowa/Missouri border.

    The National Weather Service said they also caught some footage of it. They later backtracked saying the moving object in their video was more likely Venus.

    The evening sky was well described by our viewers.

    Mercedes Sholley posted on the Channel 13 Facebook page, “I watched it change colors from the yellow red and orange to green blue and purple right before it sizzled out and went black and I watched it break off into at least 3 pieces.”

    Jakob Kranovich also described it, “I literally drove right underneath it. It looked like a giant firework going sideways. It gave off a bright green glowing color (I’m dead serious) and broke up and sparks showered everywhere and faded out. Happened too fast to get a picture and I was driving as well.”

    “It was awesome. Unfortunately no pics but I don’t think I’ll get that image out of my mind,” Jamie Croatt commented.

    http://whotv.com/2013/12/26/evening-...ghts-iowa-sky/




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    L1A, I try to not comment on youtube videos because I don't see much point.

    BPEarthWatch is the same person who formerly ran the Mrcometwatch Youtube channel (which no longer exists).

    In my opinion all he is after is spreading fear and disinformation. Throughout the Elenin episode he was predicting much the same things he's predicted for Ison. In my opinion he is wildly inaccurate, probably deliberately so.

    Believe what you want, I just thought it worth mentioning in case you were not aware.

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    Hey folks.....sorry for dragging this thread out.....i'm sure most of you are well and truly ISON'd out by now

    Once the Earth has gone under what was ISON's incoming orbital path in a week or so we'll be done. I promise when we're out the other side, i'll call in the folks with the padlocks and send this thread on it's way to the archives.

    Please.....check this link out if you're still interested in ISON.....is it ?.....isn't it ?.....

    https://secure.flickr.com/photos/hiroc/11637452955/

    The following videos are related to the recent fireball sightings in North America. If anyone has any links to news articles or videos about any other fireball sightings from other countries can you post them here please .....thanks ) :







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    Hi guys.....there's a chance of seeing a decent meteor shower in the next few days called the Quadrantids if you're lucky enough to have clear skies

    Here's a great blog by David Dickinson at Universe Today which explains all about it. I've also added a basic sky map at the end that i copied from Wikipedia to help show where to look

    Quote The Quadrantid Meteor Shower - One of the Best Bets for 2014
    by David Dickinson on December 30th 2013



    If there’s one thing we love, it’s a good meteor shower from an obscure and defunct constellation.

    Never heard of the Quadrantids? It may well be because this brief but intense annual meteor shower occurs in the early days of January. Chilly temps greet any would be meteor watchers with hardly the balmy climes of showers such as the August Perseids. Still, 2014 presents some good reasons to brave the cold in the first week of January, to just possibly catch the best meteor shower of the year.

    The Quadrantids – sometimes simply referred to as “the Quads” in hipster meteor watcher inner circles – peak on January 3rd around 19:30 Universal Time (UT) or 2:30 PM Eastern Standard Time (EST). This places the northern Asia region in the best position to watch the show, though all northern hemisphere observers are encouraged to watch past 11 PM local worldwide. Remember: meteor showers are fickle beasties, with peak activity often arriving early or late. The Quadrantids tie the December Geminids for the highest predicted Zenithal Hourly Rate (ZHR) for 2014 at 120.

    Though the Quads are active from January 1st to the 10th, the enhanced peak only spans an average of six to ten hours. Though high northern latitudes have the best prospects, we’ve seen Quads all the way down in the balmy January climes of Florida from around 30 degrees north.

    Rates for the Quads are typically less than 10 per hour just a day prior to the sharp peak. The moonless mornings of Friday, January 3rd and Saturday, January 4th will be key times to watch. The radiant for the Quads stands highest just hours before local sunrise.

    So, what’s up with the unwieldy name? Well, the Quadrantids take their name from a constellation that no longer exists on modern star charts. Along with the familiar patterns such as Leo and Orion, exist such archaic and obscure patterns as “The Printing Office” and the “Northern Fly” that, thankfully, didn’t make the cut. Quadrans Muralis, or the Mural Quadrant, established by Jérome de Lalande in the 1795 edition of Fortin’s Celestial Atlas was one such creation. A mural quadrant was a large arc-shaped astronomical tool used for measuring angles in the sky. Apparently, Renaissance astronomers were mighty proud of their new inventions, and put immortalized them in the sky every chance they got as sort of the IPhone 5’s of their day.



    The Mural Quadrant spanned the modern day constellations of Draco, Hercules and Boötes. The exact radiant of the Quads lies at Right Ascension 15 Hours 18’ and declination 49.5 degrees north, in the modern day constellation Boötes just 15 degrees east of the star Alkaid.
    Previous year’s maximum rates as per the IMO have been as follows:

    2013: ZHR=129
    2012: ZHR=83
    2011: ZHR=90
    2010: ZHR=No data (Bright waning gibbous Moon)
    2009: ZHR=138

    The parent source of the Quadrantids went unknown, until Peter Jenniskens proposed that asteroid 2003 EH1 is a likely suspect. Possibly an extinct comet, 2003 EH1 reaches perihelion at 1.2 AUs from the Sun in 2014 on March 12th, another reason to keep an eye on the Quads in 2014. 2003 EH1 is on a 5.5 year orbit, and it’s been proposed that the asteroid may have a connection to comet C/1490 Y1 which was observed and recorded by 15th century astronomers in the Far East.

    The Quadrantids were first identified as a distinct meteor shower in the 1830s by European observers. Owing to their abrupt nature and their climax during the coldest time of the year, the Quadrantids have only been sporadically studied. It’s interesting to note that researchers modeling the Quadrantid meteor stream have found that it undergoes periodic oscillations due to the perturbations from Jupiter. The shower displays a similar orbit to the Delta Aquarids over a millennia ago, and researchers M. N. Youssef and S. E. Hamid proposed in 1963 that the parent body for the shower may have been captured into its present orbit only four thousand years ago.



    2003 EH1 is set to resume a series of close resonnance passes of Earth and Jupiter in 2044, at which time activity from the Quads may also increase. It’s been proposed that the shower may fade out entirely by the year 2400 AD.

    And the Quadrantids may not be the only shower active in the coming weeks. There’s been some discussion that the posthumous comet formerly known as ISON might provide a brief meteor display on or around the second week of January.

    Be sure to note any meteors and the direction that they’re coming from: theInternational Meteor Organization and the American Meteor Society always welcomes any observations. Simple counts of how many meteors observed and from what shower (Quads versus sporadics, etc) from a given location can go a long way towards understanding the nature of this January shower and how the stream is continually evolving.

    Stay warm, tweet those meteors to #Meteorwatch, and send those brilliant fireball pics in to Universe Today!
    http://www.universetoday.com/107463/...bets-for-2014/


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    Hi guys.....there's so much going on at the moment that is affecting the Earth and near-Earth environment it's difficult to know where to look next

    I see they managed to track another asteroid as it entered the atmosphere.....check it out

    Quote First Asteroid Discovered in 2014 Has Impact (2014 AA)

    NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
    January 2, 2014

    Early Wednesday morning January 1st, while New Year's 2014 celebrations were still underway in the United States, the Catalina Sky Survey near Tucson, AZ, collected a single track of observations with an immediate follow-up on what was possibly a very small asteroid 2-3 meters in size on a potential impact trajectory with the Earth. Designated 2014 AA, which would make it the first asteroid discovery of 2014, the track of observations on the object allowed only an uncertain orbit to be calculated. However if this was a very small asteroid on an Earth impacting trajectory, it most likely hit the Earth's atmosphere last night sometime between 2 pm Wednesday and 9 am Thursday EST. Using the only available observations, three independent projections of the possible orbit by the independent orbit analyst Bill Gray, the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge, MA, and Steve Chesley at the NASA NEO Program Office at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory are in agreement that it would hit Earths atmosphere. According to Chesley, because of the orbit uncertainty the potential impact locations are widely distributed, falling along an arc extending from Central America to East Africa with the best-fit, most likely impact location to be just off the coast of West Africa at about 9 pm EST January 1st. 2014 AA was unlikely to have survived atmospheric entry intact, as it was comparable in size to 2008 TC3 - about 2-3 meters which completely broke up over northern Sudan in October 2008, the only other example of an object discovered just prior to hitting the Earth. So far, there have been a few weak signals collected from infrasound stations in that region of the world that are being analyzed to see if they could be correlated to the atmospheric entry of 2014 AA.
    http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news182.html

    Nice explanation of the above by Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy

    Quote Tiny Asteroid Discovered Just Yesterday "Virtually Certain" to Have Harmlessly Impacted Earth

    by Phil Plait on January 2nd 2013

    For just the second time in history, an asteroid was discovered before it impacted the Earth. Don’t panic: It was very small, probably just a few meters across, and burned up harmlessly in our atmosphere. But after events of the past year, it underscores the need to keep our eyes open.

    The asteroid is (well, was) named 2014 AA, the very first asteroid discovered this year. It was detected by the Mount Lemmon Survey using a 150 centimeter (60 inch) telescope located on a mountaintop in Arizona. The first image showing the asteroid was taken on Jan. 1, 2014, at about 06:20 UTC (01:20 EST)—telescopes work whenever the sky is clear, holidays or no. The rock was faint, at about magnitude 19; the faintest star you can see with your naked eye is 150,000 times brighter! But an orbital calculation showed it was very close to Earth, and getting closer.

    In fact, as the Minor Planet Electronic Circular discovery announcement said, “It is virtually certain that 2014 AA hit the Earth's atmosphere on 2014 Jan. 2.2 +/- 0.4”—meaning around 05:00 UTC Jan. 2, midnight EST, just a few hours ago. It most likely burned up over the Atlantic, somewhere between South America and Africa.

    From its brightness, it was probably about two to four meters across, about the size of a car. Objects that small generally disintegrate as they ram through the Earth’s atmosphere at high speed, so there was never any big danger from this object. It orbited the Sun on a path that took it just outside the orbit of Mars to just inside our own. [UPDATE (Jan. 2 at 18:00 UTC): I had originally written the asteroid was less than two meteres across, but astronomer Ron Baalke informed me that it was more like two to four meters across judging from its brightness, so I have updated the post here.]

    It’s only the second time in history that an asteroid was seen before it hit us; the first was 2008 TC3, which burned up over Sudan in Africa in 2008. That one was also discovered just a day before atmospheric entry. Other rocks have been discovered in the past that gave us a very close shave, and usually small asteroids that actually hit us go undetected until someone looks up and sees them! That’s because they are so small: That makes them faint and hard to detect. Because they are close by they also tend to move very rapidly across the sky, making them harder to find. The 19-meter wide asteroid that blew up over Russia last year was undetected until it hit, for example.

    It’s possible some satellites may have observed the entry of 2014 AA, and hopefully we’ll get an image or two. Stay tuned.

    And of course this underscores how seriously we need to take asteroid impacts. While 2014 AA wasn’t a threat, there are a million bigger rocks out there that cross Earth’s orbit, big enough to cause real damage should they hit us. And given enough time, they will.

    That’s why we need to keep scanning the skies, locating and characterizing these asteroids. Both NASA and the B612 Foundation are working on better detection methods, but that’s only the first step; we also need a plan in place should we find one with our number on it. B612 is working on that, but we’re a long way from being able to implement it.

    As usual, let me say that you shouldn’t run around in circles panicking over this; after all, these are rare events. But if we do nothing at all, we’re guaranteeing that a big impact will occur sometime in the future. Like so many problems, the cost of prevention is small compared to the cost of doing nothing. We can afford the former, but not the latter.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astro...ast_night.html

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    Hi guys.....just a follow-up post about asteroid 2014 AA that was tracked into the Earth's atmosphere a couple of days ago and a reminder it's only a few more days before we go under what was ISON's incoming orbital path.....hang in there if you can

    JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) has published a little article which explains some of the processes that were involved once they started tracking the asteroid which i thought was interesting and worth a share.

    They also added a couple of graphics to the article which always helps me to visualise what was going on. I managed to copy two of them into this post but there is a third, animated one which i wasn't able to copy so please click on the link at the end of the quoted text to view that one. I've also added a video which describes some of the things to look out for in January's night skies.

    Thanks for sticking with the thread.....it's much appreciated

    Quote The First Discovered Asteroid of 2014 Collides With The Earth - An Update

    NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office

    January 3, 2014

    Several sources confirm that the first discovered asteroid of 2014, designated 2014 AA, entered the Earth's atmosphere late January 1 EST over the mid-Atlantic Ocean. This very small asteroid -- 6 to 9 feet (2 to 3 meters) in size was discovered, and immediately followed up, early on the morning of January 1 by the Catalina Sky Survey operating near Tucson Arizona. (An animation of the discovery images is shown in Figure 1). The asteroid entered the Earth's atmosphere about 21 hours later, and probably broke up.

    The high precision astrometry data and rapid follow-up observations provided by the Catalina Sky Survey team made it possible for orbit analysts from NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California to determine possible Earth impact locations. Prior to impact, and based upon the Catalina Sky Survey observations, Steve Chesley (JPL) produced a plot of the possible Earth impact locations for asteroid 2014 AA. Chesley's graphic is shown in Figure 2, where the nearly horizontal blue band represents the region of possible impacts.



    The geolocation derived by Chesley allowed Peter Brown (University of Western Ontario) and Petrus Jenniskens (SETI Institute) to search the data from low frequency infrasound observation sites of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization. They found weak signals from stations in Bolivia, Brazil and Bermuda that indicated that the likely impact location was indeed positioned within the predicted impact area. The location of impact, marked with a red dot, is still somewhat uncertain due to observational factors, including atmospheric effects upon the propagation of infrasound signals.

    Infrasound stations record ultra low frequency sound waves to monitor the location of atmospheric explosions. These sites often pick up airbursts from small asteroid impacts, commonly called fireballs or bolides. There about a billion near-Earth objects in the size range of 2014 AA, and impacts of comparably-sized objects occur several times each year.

    Uncertainties present in the infrasound technique and the very limited amount of optical tracking data be fore impact make it difficult to precisely pinpoint the impact time and location. Even so, Chesley provides the following impact estimate:
    Impact time: 2014 Jan. 2 at 4:02 UTC (Jan. 1 at 11:02 pm EST)
    Impact location coordinates: 11.7 deg N, 319.7 deg E.

    This impact information is preliminary and has uncertainties of perhaps a few hundred kilometers in impact location and tens of minutes in impact time.
    Prior to impact, the orbit of 2014 AA had a very low inclination (about 1 degree) with respect to the ecliptic plane and an orbit that ranged from 0.9 to 1.3 au from the sun with a period of about 1.2 years.

    Thus ends our brief acquaintance with asteroid 2014 AA - from discovery by the Catalina Sky Survey to the infrasound whimpers of its demise in the Earth's atmosphere only 21 hours later.

    http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news182a.html

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    Hi guys.....just a quick heads-up about something happening today (Sunday 5th January) that some of you might like to know about. The folks at SLOOH are going to be doing a live JUPITER broadcast later. I think it's an all-nighter with guests dropping in and things like that. I always find the SLOOH broadcasts enjoyable because they do seem to try and make their broadcasts interesting. You should be able to watch the broadcast here on the thread via the YouTube live stream provided (you might have to click on the video to see a countdown clock which will tell you how long before the broadcast starts) or you can watch it on the SLOOH site. Both options follow this brief broadcast description

    Quote JUPITER OPPOSITION
    On Sunday, January 5, the planet Jupiter will arrive at its closest point to Earth of 2014. Appearing larger and more detailed than at any time this year, the giant planet will be the focus of a special live broadcast by Slooh, accompanied by real-time narration provided by SLOOH astronomer Bob Berman and technical director Paul Cox.

    Displaying more detail than any other planet in the known universe, Jupiter's fascinating and ever-changing cloud formations, storms, patches of blue sky -- and its enormous rotating hurricane-like structure, the Great Red Spot, will all be on view in real-time, using SLOOH's half-meter telescope.

    Researchers continue to be deeply intrigued by the prospect of eventually finding life in the warm salt-water oceans of one of the Jovian satellites, which will also be on display and under discussion that night.
    http://live.slooh.com/





    The following is an extract of a blog about Jupiter from the ASTRONOMY FOR TEENS website (nice 'n' simple.....just how i like it !). Please click on the link that follows the quoted text to read the full blog :

    Quote Jupiter Shines Bright

    January 4th 2014



    On Sunday, January 5th, Jupiter will be shining bright all night. The planet will be in opposition, meaning it is directly opposite of the Sun. This event happens once a year (every 13 months) and this year Jupiter will be visible in the constellation Gemini.

    The opposite of an opposition (lots of opposites!) is a conjunction. That is when the Sun is directly between the Earth and Jupiter. In a conjunction, Jupiter can’t be viewed since it is behind the sun in relation to Earth.

    Anyway, grab your telescopes tomorrow night to witness bright and beautiful Jupiter on this annual event!

    This is a visual representation of an opposition and a conjunction :


    Jupiter’s planned location in the constellation, Gemini :
    http://astronoteen.org/?p=65


    .....plus some more info, this time from NASA, about what's what in January :



    .....and finally, in a somewhat desperate attempt to keep the thread a little bit 'on-topic'.....here's the latest ISON instalment from Mr.BPEarthWatch (and please, if you're in a happy place and you think Mr.BPEarthWatch or the subject of ISON's debris might bring you down, give this one a miss.....thanks) :

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    Just a heads up the newest Crop Circle has an interesting obscure reference to ISON .

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    Hi guys.....almost there.....woohoo

    Here's a couple of decent explanations, an article from the American Meteor Society and a YouTube video, as to what to expect in the coming days as the Earth goes under (and possibly through?) what was ISON's 'inbound' dust and debris trail. There's also a link at the end of the post to a little quiz i found about near-Earth objects.....give it a whirl for a bit of fun.....cheers

    Quote Meteor Activity from Comet ISON ?

    by Robert Lunsford

    There have been several articles published about the possibility of meteor activity from Comet C/2012 S1 ISON. During the inbound portion of the comet’s orbit, the comet passed approximately 2 million miles from the Earth’s orbit. The Earth arrives at this point on January 15, 2014. Normally, this distance is too great to produce meteor activity on Earth.

    Comet ISON was producing a large amount of dust prior to its disintegration. Some feel that despite the distance that some of this dust may still reach the Earth. Now whether it is in the form of meteors or noctilucent clouds is unknown. The individual dust particles are calculated to be only a few microns in size, too small to produce meteors bright enough to be visible to the naked eye. Yet meteor observers are encouraged to view any possible display of meteor activity despite the full moon.

    While the probability of meteor activity is remote, it is not 100% out of the question. The calculated radiant would lie in the constellation of Leo the lion, which rises during the early evening hours and is best situated highest in the sky near 0200 local standard time. These meteors, if any, would strike the atmosphere at a speed of 51km/sec., which is a medium-fast meteor with an average duration of less than 1 second.



    http://www.amsmeteors.org/2014/01/me...om-comet-ison/





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    Good, sensible assessment posted by loveoneanother in #439.

    Even if we go through a meteor shower where the trails will be too dim to be seen by the naked eye, they WILL be detected by radio enthusiasts who constantly monitor this activity.

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