Reverse osmosis filter for removing fluoride and other chemicals

[Sloppyjoe]

Hello all, I was wondering if any of you had any personal experience with RO systems and if you would recommend a particular RO filter for removing fluoride and other chemicals? I currently drink tap water and drink a lot of it(im an exercise nut) so I feel like I'm getting the worst of it. Thank you!

[chancy]

hello Sloppyjoe:

I have had alot of experience with water and filtration etc. due to my business.
Most tap water is neutral PH. As soon as you reverse osmosis, UV or distill the water it goes highly acidic.
You will get the chlorine and fluoride out but then you have the problem of the water becoming extremely acidic. (All bottled water is highly acidic )
If you are trying to improve your health then you would be wise to drink a good PH healthy water that has the fluoride and chlorine taken out. From testing and using all types of water the best I have found is making distilled water and then making it alkaline by adding baking soda as has been discussed many times on this forum.
It works out to taking a 1 gallon jug of distilled water and adding 1 teaspoon of baking soda. Shaking it up to dissolve the baking soda and now you have a jug of alkaline water that is healthy for you. The water will now be about 7.5 - 8.5 depending on the size of teaspoon you are using.

Your body will take some time to get back to a normal PH level due to the acidity of the food we eat unless you are a vegetarian. Then just adjust the PH level of water to meet your needs for long term useage.

Good luck with the water.
chancy

[Tangri]

Posted by chancy (here)
hello Sloppyjoe:

I have had alot of experience with water and filtration etc. due to my business.
Most tap water is neutral PH. As soon as you reverse osmosis, UV or distill the water it goes highly acidic.
You will get the chlorine and fluoride out but then you have the problem of the water becoming extremely acidic. (All bottled water is highly acidic )
If you are trying to improve your health then you would be wise to drink a good PH healthy water that has the fluoride and chlorine taken out. From testing and using all types of water the best I have found is making distilled water and then making it alkaline by adding baking soda as has been discussed many times on this forum.
It works out to taking a 1 gallon jug of distilled water and adding 1 teaspoon of baking soda. Shaking it up to dissolve the baking soda and now you have a jug of alkaline water that is healthy for you. The water will now be about 7.5 - 8.5 depending on the size of teaspoon you are using.

Your body will take some time to get back to a normal PH level due to the acidity of the food we eat unless you are a vegetarian. Then just adjust the PH level of water to meet your needs for long term useage.

Good luck with the water.
chancy

Sorry to intervene but I need to correct your assumption on Distillate water- pure water. Distillate water pH rate is 7.001 -6.999. This means, it's pH close to neutral.
It fluctuates with contamination because of it's unstable status. It is prone to absorb anything it contact.

[Amanda]

My understanding of sodium fluoride in the water is that it is impossible to get out. The other fact is that it is next to impossible to remove once it has leached into your bones. Now the positive aspects - I have not imbibed with tap water where I live due to sodium fluoride being added to the town water supply - for two years. My health is far better on many aspects as I purchase my drinking water. The best I can do is adhere to only drinking and cooking with bottled water when at home and then of course life goes on and in social settings I am exposed to the sodium fluoride in beverages and cooking.

After conducting my own research it is my understanding that water filters do not have the ability to remove the sodium fluoride - some brands can remove heavy metals and other contaminants but not the toxic industrial waste product that is sodium fluoride. Sometimes I think the best we can do is to conduct our own research, use your cognition and intellect to process the information that is available and then make the best choices you can with the options that are present.

Much Peace - Amanda

[Shannow]

Posted by Tangri (here)

Posted by chancy (here)
hello Sloppyjoe:

I have had alot of experience with water and filtration etc. due to my business.
Most tap water is neutral PH. As soon as you reverse osmosis, UV or distill the water it goes highly acidic.
You will get the chlorine and fluoride out but then you have the problem of the water becoming extremely acidic. (All bottled water is highly acidic )
If you are trying to improve your health then you would be wise to drink a good PH healthy water that has the fluoride and chlorine taken out. From testing and using all types of water the best I have found is making distilled water and then making it alkaline by adding baking soda as has been discussed many times on this forum.
It works out to taking a 1 gallon jug of distilled water and adding 1 teaspoon of baking soda. Shaking it up to dissolve the baking soda and now you have a jug of alkaline water that is healthy for you. The water will now be about 7.5 - 8.5 depending on the size of teaspoon you are using.

Your body will take some time to get back to a normal PH level due to the acidity of the food we eat unless you are a vegetarian. Then just adjust the PH level of water to meet your needs for long term useage.

Good luck with the water.
chancy

Sorry to intervene but I need to correct your assumption on Distillate water- pure water. Distillate water pH rate is 7.001 -6.999. This means, it's pH close to neutral.
It fluctuates with contamination because of it's unstable status. It is prone to absorb anything it contact.

Yep, it is "hungry" for minerals...but no acidic.

When the pure water inside the boilers and turbines leaks onto concrete, it dissolves it.

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
Thanks for the imput in regards to distilled water and the PH of it. I fully agree but we are not in a lab and the distilled water being made or bought does not conform to a neutral PH of 7.0 .

I have tested many, many, many brands of distilled water and they all read between 4.5 - 6.0 PH. The tests have been done with electronic PH testers and PH strips. Every time they read the same.
When I make distilled water with a very, very expensive water distiller the results are the same.

In a perfect world we would be getting the correct PH for pure water which is a PH of 7.0 BUT it doesn't work out that way in our world.

I welcome anyone to test their bought distilled water or their bought water with PH strips or an electronic PH tester. You will all find the truth for our world.
Sorry to get off the track of reverse osmosis but we are trying to get healthy water right?

chancy

[nevermnd]

Just be mindful with store bought bottled water because a lot of companies add fluoride to them as well. Pretty much all premium water brands like SmartWater and Evian have fluoride in them.
Here is a list of fluoride free waters:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sa...ud_fluor35.htm

[alh02]

Some points to consider before purchasing a RO system to filter drinking water:

1. Make sure you choose a system that has an ion-exchange resin component incorporated into its design. Much of the fluoride in tap water exists in ionic form and the particles are far to small for most standard RO systems to remove.

2. RO systems have the unfortunate effect of removing beneficial minerals from the water that flows through them. Demineralised (or "dead") water is not particularly beneficial for humans as it lacks the essential minerals that our bodies need to function properly.

3. RO systems alter the acidity (PH) of the water that flows though them. It is important that the PH of our drinking water is set at the optimal level (as explained above by chancy).

To alleviate the effects outlined in points 2 and 3, one might consider purchasing a secondary filtration system to re-mineralise and adjust the PH of water that has been pre-filtered by a RO system. There are a number of relatively inexpensive table-top filters on the market that are capable of dealing with both of these issues.

The key thing to remember here is that while RO filters are very effective at removing organic matter (viruses, bacteria, mould etc), heavy metals, and the vast majority of toxic chemicals that are commonly found in drinking water, there are some trade offs that also need to be taken into consideration if the goal is to produce healthful water that is nourishing and easily/readily absorbed by the body.

I wish there was an all-in-one water filtration system that could remove fluoride complexly while still maintaining the integrity of the water so it is well-suited for human consumption, but as far as my research has shown me there are no such products available on the market.

That said, if there IS a product out there that is capable of doing all of the above that I'm not aware of I would very much like to hear about it. Until that happens though, I think the only solution is to use a combination of known water filtration/treatment methods (as mentioned above) to achieve the desired water purification results.

[Tangri]

Dr. Richard Sauerheber, a chemistry professor in San Diego, that not all reverse osmosis (R-O) systems achieve satisfactory results. Sauerheber tested the effectiveness of various R-O systems and found that the efficiency of removing fluoride varied significantly among systems, and seemed to depend, in part, on the flow rate of the water. In others, the greater the flow of water through the system, the less effective they were at removing fluoride. I have no way of verifying the accuracy of Sauerheber’s results, but I believe they are worth considering.

The filters that Suauerheber found to be the most effective at removing fluoride were “bone char” filters. This is a filter that has been used on a large scale in some areas of the world with widespread fluoride poisoning (e.g., India). They might, however, be difficult to get hold of in western countries.

If you are considering purchasing a filter that uses deionization, make sure that it uses an “ion exchange resin.” If it does not use an ion exchange resin, it will not remove the fluoride.

In an R-O system, the fluoridated water is forced at high pressure through a membrane. The fluoride ions, with a sheath of water molecules, are too large to pass through the small pores in the membrane and only the water can get through. Thus virtually pure water is squeezed through the membrane.

By contrast, an ion exchange resin consists of both a cation exchange resin (which exchanges a positive hydrogen ion for any metal ions present) and a negative exchange resin (which exchanges a hydroxyl ion for the fluoride ion). When both resins are used together the hydrogen ions produced by one resin and the hydroxyl ions produced by the other instantly combine to form water. The distinct advantage of this system is that when either resin is saturated, ions will appear in the collected water, which will immediately and dramatically increase the electrical conductivity of the solution and thus be readily detectable by a very cheap monitoring system. FAN’s Director, Paul Connett, personally observed the operation of an ion-exchange resin system when he stayed with Dr. Mark Diesendorf in Sydney, Australia, and was impressed with its efficiency. According to Connett, “The flow rate was very fast and Mark could quickly collect several bottles for his use throughout the day as well as taking a bottle or two to work the next morning.”

[kersley]

I have one set up in my kitchen. I use it for my fish and of course thats all I drink from. fantastic thats all I can say.

[Rozzy]

Unlike many of you out there I am on a well and the water is about as good as it gets, virtually neutral PH, not high in any particular mineral. I filter through a simple sediment filter but that is the extent of it, even that stays clean through the change date. Where ever I travel I carry my well water, I supplement Iodine in my diet and feel like a million bucks. Seeing how it is christmas time I am enjoying a nice Cuban cigar to celebrate Best of the season to you all.

[GNC Harteveld]

Posted by alh02 (here)
Some points to consider before purchasing a RO system to filter drinking water:
RO systems have the unfortunate effect of removing beneficial minerals from the water that flows through them. Demineralised (or "dead") water is not particularly beneficial for humans as it lacks the essential minerals that our bodies need to function properly.

From what i understand it's even worse than that, the demineralized water will reducing minerals in you body through osmoses.

Osmosis is the spontaneous net movement of solvent molecules through a partially permeable membrane into a region of higher solute concentration, in the direction that tends to equalize the solute concentrations on the two sides.

You're diluting the minerals in your body.

[alh02]

Posted by GNC Harteveld (here)

Posted by alh02 (here)
Some points to consider before purchasing a RO system to filter drinking water:
RO systems have the unfortunate effect of removing beneficial minerals from the water that flows through them. Demineralised (or "dead") water is not particularly beneficial for humans as it lacks the essential minerals that our bodies need to function properly.

From what i understand it's even worse than that, the demineralized water will reducing minerals in you body through osmoses.

Osmosis is the spontaneous net movement of solvent molecules through a partially permeable membrane into a region of higher solute concentration, in the direction that tends to equalize the solute concentrations on the two sides.

You're diluting the minerals in your body.

Yes, that is also my understanding.


Which is why it is so important to RE-mineralise water that has been filtered by RO.

[Sloppyjoe]

Thanks for all the replies, I recently talked to someone that knows a lot about alternative medicines, here is what he had to say..

RO doesn't work, and if you can only use tap water then store it in a glass or copper jug, add lugol's iodine to it(to combat the fluoride) and then add wedges/juice from fruits such as lemons, mangos, apples, etc to enrich your water with minerals.

What do you guys think?

[Abhaya]

Why not just eat the fruit ?

Don't we get our minerals from our food and our, um water from our water. I have been on a distilled water only program for years. Perfect health at my last check up.

I've heard that distilled water is acidic. I know you prefer that we keep our bodies as alkaline as possible, so how can distilled water be good for us?

It's true that distilled water is acidic, whether it comes from a store-bought jug or a distiller at home. The acidity occurs because carbon dioxide from the atmosphere dissolves in the water, creating a very dilute solution of carbonic acid. Distilled water in a container that’s been sitting open for a while could have a pH in the range of 6. (For comparison, vinegar has a pH of about 4, or 100 times as acidic.) Your body responds to this trivial amount of acidity by producing more stomach acid. So long as your digestive system is in good shape, and you're not taking any medication to block the production of stomach acid, then the amount of acidity from distilled water won't affect any body processes.



Read more: http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/disti...#ixzz2ohJceXr8

Also found this

[Abhaya]

In regards to minerals

Does distilled water leach minerals from our bodies?

Absolutely, not...in fact just the opposite has been found to occur in cellular research studies. It is a mistaken belief that drinking pure distilled water reduces valuable minerals from living human tissues.
ORGANIC MINERALS VS. INORGANIC MINERALS

There are two types of minerals, organic and inorganic. Human physiology has a biological affinity for organic minerals. Most organic minerals for our body functions come from dietary plant foods. A growing plant converts the inorganic minerals from the soils to a useful organic mineral. When an organic mineral (from a plant food) enters the stomach it must attach itself to a specific protein-molecule(chelation) in order to be absorbed, then it gains access to the tissue sites where it is needed. Once a plant mineral is divested within the body, it is utilized as a coenzyme for composing body fluids, forming blood and bone cells, and the maintaining of healthy nerve transmission.(Balch & Balch 1990)

Without a healthy organic mineral balance inside and outside the cells of muscle, blood, and bone substructures, the body will began to spasm, twitch and cramp, eventually deteriorating to a full"rigor complex", and/or complete failure.

INORGANIC MINERALS FROM TAPWATER ARE "BAD NEWS".

Tap water presents a variety of inorganic minerals which our body has difficulty absorbing. Their presence is suspect in a wide array of degenerative diseases, such as hardening of the arteries, arthritis, kidney stones, gall stones, glaucoma, cataracts, hearing loss, emphysema, diabetes, and obesity. What minerals are available, especially in "hard" tapwater, are poorly absorbed, or rejected by cellular tissue sites, and, if not evacuated, their presence may cause arterial obstruction, and internal damage.(Dennison 1993, Muehling 1994, Banik 1989)

ORGANIC MINERALS ARE PREFERRED

Is it any wonder why the body prefers the richest source of mineral substrates from organic foods instead of the mineral-poor sources from tap water? Even if the human tissue suddenly developed the ability to absorb inorganic minerals from tap water, it would take an enormous amount of tapwater to supply the bare minimal mineral quantities for human life functions. If(for example) the rich inorganic mineral content of the tap water in Reno, Nevada were modified so that it would convert the daily Calcium requirement(RDA) from its inorganic calcium solutes, one would have to drink 7.4 gallons of their tap water.

DISTILLED WATER ACTUALLY ENHANCES MINERAL ABSORPTION RATES

Distilled Pure Water will not conduct electricity when only 2 parts inorganic minerals or less are present. Water with 5 parts inorganic content per million parts water(or more) will conduct electricity, completing a simple circuit and lighting a tester bulb! The higher the inorganic content is in a per million count, the less effectively water transmits organic minerals to tissue sites. Bottled water, tapwater, reverse-osmosis filtered water, and carbon-block filtered water(when tested) will conduct electricity, substantiating that each one is not the best carrier for the mineral-transport and mineral-absorption(Muehling 1994). Our tapwater in the USA has been shown to contain 19 "inorganic metals of concern"(1994 Safe Water Drinking Act), for which maximum contaminant levels have been set.(Tone 1994) Most American tapwater tested falls between the ranges of 350 parts per million to over 1000 parts per million total contaminants.(Colgan 1993)

REPEAT THE QUESTION PLEASE...

Does drinking distilled water leach the minerals from the body? No, quite the opposite. If inorganic minerals are "removed" from tapwater, by converting it into pure distilled water, the result is remarkable biological mineral absorption for both overall health and maximal metabolic activity. The application of this query has a remarkably high correlation to the general properties of maximal absorption rates, and particularly for all micronutrients which traverse the gastric chambers directly into muscle cells for premium performance demand during strenuous activity.

Distillation is the most effective method of water purification for the removal of organic, inorganic, radioactive, and biological contaminants. It removes a greater percentage of these harmful impurities than reverse osmosis, filtering, or any other method of purification.

Muehling EC, "Pure Water Now: Its Time For Action," 2cd Ed., Pure Water Inc., Lincoln, Neb., 1994:1-42.

Dennison C, "Why I Drink Distilled Water", Reprint Form 6300, Pure Water Inc., Lincoln, Neb.,1993.

Tone J, "Your Drinking Water-How Good Is It?", National Testing Laboratories Inc., Cleveland, Ohio,1994:21.

Banik AE, "The Choice Is Clear," ACRES USA, Metaire, Louisiana, 1989:37.

Balch JF, Balch PA, PRESCRIPTION FOR NUTRITIONAL HEALING, Avery Publishing Co., Garden City, NY, 1990:17.

Colgan M, OPTIMUM SPORTS NUTRITION, Advanced Research Press, New York, NY, 1993:23-24.

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Any one interested in distilled water at all I would recommend to google Andrew Norton webber.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

an activated alumina water filter will eliminate fluoride

distilling water will remove some of it ( 80 % ) if you capture between 100 and 104 c

N

[Connecting with Sauce]

Here is a thread on the original PA forum on water.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=7340

Also one of the best forms of distilled waters is your own water from your kidney see links in my signature.

I use a distiller which is all in the thread above.

[Elainie]

I have a whole house filter that has a separate fluoride one attached to it but I am not sure how much I trust it. I've been meaning to buy a Berkey with their fluoride attachment and run our filtered water through that for extra safety measures. I had an RO system years ago when I lived in Arizona. I've never had to worry about fluoride until I moved here as my water source for other houses was spring fed and then filtered.

[13th Warrior]

An activated alumina filter will only reduce floride and you need to replace them often because of limited reduction capacity...