New Andrew D. Basiago Radio Interview

[Ahkenaten]

Hi Bill - Thanks for looking into this. The spelling "Basagio" I picked up from the Seminar Program whereas he apparently uses the name "Basiago" on his Pegasus website. I realize he has stated that he has been involved with the CIA.............it was his participation in a Conference sponsored by the Hoover Institute as a presenter that got my attention. He seems to be traveling in an unusual, to say the very least, milieu. He may be totally 100% sincere in what he believes may have occurred Bill, but I think his involvement in a Hoover Institute project (if you checked the links and went to the home page you know what I am referring to) raises some serious issues about what, exactly he is up to. Also I thought - though I am certainly not a hypnotist or psychologist or psychiatrist, that his run-on manner of speaking in his tapes seemed automatic and somewhat programmed.

[ronbono57]

Before one makes a snap judgment of Mr. Basagio, one should listen and look at ALL the material. Just because what he is saying is beyond possible in your mind in no way means it is. Start by listening to an over six hour recorded phone conversation where Mr. Basagio explains his entire history regarding teleportation, from a young boy until an adult. Then go to the two websites and really study the pictures from Mars and read his explanations. When I first looked at the pictures of Mars I saw very little of what he was saying was there, but later I found better blown up pictures with more detailed explanation and was able to see much of what Mr. Basagio is pointing out. I don't know Mr. Basagio except for one short phone conversation and some email conversation and found him quite nice and genuine. You really have to go through all the info before making judgments, in my opinion.

Remember how blown up those pictures are and you are not looking at anything you are used to seeing. The six hour phone conversation can be found on You Tube and/or one of Basagio's websites.

The mind is like a parachute, you know.

[Ahkenaten]

Actually Mr. Ronbono57 I spent quite a bit of time looking into this particular man including listening to his videos and looking into his background and associations so opinions expressed, though my own, definitely do not represent a "snap judgment" - merely another perspective on this intriguing character.

[ronbono57]

Sorry Mr. Ahkenaten I wasn't speaking of you or what you typed at all. I understand you had no way of knowing this but what I typed was not aimed at you what so ever.

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Actually Ahkenaten I think you make some thoughtful points. Thanks.

[onawah]

I listened to and read all the interviews with Basiago I could find online, and as I said, I thought he sounded very credible. His manner of speaking sometimes is strange, but I can understand how that could be if he has lost memories and has been subject to mind control, etc.
I look forward to hearing more about the photos and seeing any new evidence. I have an open mind, but the claims he made about the photos would give anyone pause, I think.
In this last interview, Webre's manner of speaking is also strange- he sounds very hesitant and unsure of himself, with lots of stammering.
They both sound rather wooden.

[Satori]

I have had two telephone conversations with Andrew Basiago. The first was just after Bush "won" the 2004 pResdential [s]election and the second a few years later when he came to New Mexico to try to determine whether his memories of being teleported (or whatever the term is) to Santa Fe, NM, as a child are real or false memories. I spoke to him for about two hours the first time. Only a few minutes the second time.

Bill, if you remember and deem it worthy of your time, ask Andrew if he recalls calling a lawyer in Albuquerque, NM, USA, who was referred to him by Ernest Garcia. Then ask him about Ernest Garcia. (I am that lawyer.) The story of Ernest Garcia is fascinating.

Although when Andrew called me the first time in late 2004 about the possibility of my launching a challenge in New Mexico to Bush's election results, we soon got to talking about Ernest, which then led to Andrew sharing with me at great length his experiences as a child. As I recall his father worked in some black op for the Fed and in that program Andrew would be teleported from back East to Santa Fe NM, usually to the front of the capitol building in Santa Fe, or to the PERA building near by. He also talked about Lamy, NM, which is near Santa Fe. He shared with me that on one occasion when he was teleported to Santa Fe, he buried a toy in the ground near Lamy so that when he was older he could return to that location and dig the toy up to prove that his memory was not false, but real. As I understand it, when Andrew was in New Mexico a few years ago (when he called me the second time) he was here to return to places like Lamy to dig up old toys and such seeking, and I think hoping, to verify his memories.

I recall that when I asked him about the technology involved to make teleportation possible, I expected him to rattle of a name like Einstein. But he did not. He said Tesla, Nikola Tesla. I had never heard of Tesla until my conversation with Andrew that day. Since then I have made it a point to look into Tesla.

He also spoke of Donald Rumsfeld being present when he, Andrew, was teleported to Santa Fe in the 1970s. He mentioned that Rumsfeld would have lunch with Andrew and his father and he emphasized a particular waitress that served them. He also spoke of Rumsfeld time/space traveling too and that Rumsfeld, in the 70s, had film or video of the WTC center collapsing on 9/11. Rumsfeld brought this footage from 2001 or so back to the 70s. I recall Andrew mentioning being with Rumsfeld and with other kids about Andrew's age in the basement of a building in Golden, New Mexico. Golden is along the Tourgoise Trial in NM, near Santa Fe.

The clear implication from what Andrew was telling me vis-a-vis Rumsfeld is that the PTB know the "future" because they have been there and back and travel to and fro. The PTB often seem so self-assured because they are. Their hubris comes from knowing (or thinking they know) what lies ahead; according to what I gathered from Andrew.

I was so intrigued by what Andrew was telling me that I found myself taking notes; which is my habit anyway. I kept these notes for awhile, but tossed them a year or so ago. I do not recall that he said anything about going to Mars when we spoke, but that does not mean anything one way or the other. There was a lot he did not share with me.

I found Andrew's story to be incredible; not in the sense of not credible, but in the sense of very hard to believe. However, everything he said had an internal cohesiveness and consistency. To me, what he was telling me was (is) either the truth as he sincerely understands it, or he was (is) a con man with a very good memory and a well-rehearsed script.

But, to quote Jerry Spence (I think): "I'd rather have a mind open to wonder, than one closed by belief." My mind is still open to Andrew Basiago.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Satori (here)
I have had two telephone conversations with Andrew Basiago. The first was just after Bush "won" the 2004 pResdential [s]election and the second a few years later when he came to New Mexico to try to determine whether his memories of being teleported (or whatever the term is) to Santa Fe, NM, as a child are real or false memories. I spoke to him for about two hours the first time. Only a few minutes the second time.

Bill, if you remember and deem it worthy of your time, ask Andrew if he recalls calling a lawyer in Albuquerque, NM, USA, who was referred to him by Ernest Garcia. Then ask him about Ernest Garcia. (I am that lawyer.) The story of Ernest Garcia is fascinating.

Although when Andrew called me the first time in late 2004 about the possibility of my launching a challenge in New Mexico to Bush's election results, we soon got to talking about Ernest, which then led to Andrew sharing with me at great length his experiences as a child. As I recall his father worked in some black op for the Fed and in that program Andrew would be teleported from back East to Santa Fe NM, usually to the front of the capitol building in Santa Fe, or to the PERA building near by. He also talked about Lamy, NM, which is near Santa Fe. He shared with me that on one occasion when he was teleported to Santa Fe, he buried a toy in the ground near Lamy so that when he was older he could return to that location and dig the toy up to prove that his memory was not false, but real. As I understand it, when Andrew was in New Mexico a few years ago (when he called me the second time) he was here to return to places like Lamy to dig up old toys and such seeking, and I think hoping, to verify his memories.

I recall that when I asked him about the technology involved to make teleportation possible, I expected him to rattle of a name like Einstein. But he did not. He said Tesla, Nikola Tesla. I had never heard of Tesla until my conversation with Andrew that day. Since then I have made it a point to look into Tesla.

He also spoke of Donald Rumsfeld being present when he, Andrew, was teleported to Santa Fe in the 1970s. He mentioned that Rumsfeld would have lunch with Andrew and his father and he emphasized a particular waitress that served them. He also spoke of Rumsfeld time/space traveling too and that Rumsfeld, in the 70s, had film or video of the WTC center collapsing on 9/11. Rumsfeld brought this footage from 2001 or so back to the 70s. I recall Andrew mentioning being with Rumsfeld and with other kids about Andrew's age in the basement of a building in Golden, New Mexico. Golden is along the Tourgoise Trial in NM, near Santa Fe.

The clear implication from what Andrew was telling me vis-a-vis Rumsfeld is that the PTB know the "future" because they have been there and back and travel to and fro. The PTB often seem so self-assured because they are. Their hubris comes from knowing (or thinking they know) what lies ahead; according to what I gathered from Andrew.

I was so intrigued by what Andrew was telling me that I found myself taking notes; which is my habit anyway. I kept these notes for awhile, but tossed them a year or so ago. I do not recall that he said anything about going to Mars when we spoke, but that does not mean anything one way or the other. There was a lot he did not share with me.

I found Andrew's story to be incredible; not in the sense of not credible, but in the sense of very hard to believe. However, everything he said had an internal cohesiveness and consistency. To me, what he was telling me was (is) either the truth as he sincerely understands it, or he was (is) a con man with a very good memory and a well-rehearsed script.

But, to quote Jerry Spence (I think): "I'd rather have a mind open to wonder, than one closed by belief." My mind is still open to Andrew Basiago.

Many thanks indeed - most interesting and valuable.

This is most telling (and I believe may be true):

The clear implication from what Andrew was telling me vis-a-vis Rumsfeld is that the PTB know the "future" because they have been there and back and travel to and fro. The PTB often seem so self-assured because they are. Their hubris comes from knowing (or thinking they know) what lies ahead; according to what I gathered from Andrew.

Kerry and I heard exactly this from Dan Burisch - before he was 'taken back' in the summer of 2009. In an off-record five-hour conversation with Dan in December 2007 - which several months later we summarized in what we still believe is an important report...

http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

... Dan stressed that many politicians are merely actors playing out their roles, having been briefed about their 'destiny'.

The problem is that timelines sometimes do change - and therefore some politicians find themselves experiencing a few surprises.



I'm personally convinced that this is continuing to happen: that unfolding events are no longer what was 'foreseen'. Dan Burisch stated that as well.

T1v83 [timeline 1, variant 83] was all about the forthcoming WW III. Kerry and I became very concerned throughout 2008 that this really might happen, and gathered together 14 or 15 independent data points that seemed to indicate that.

But something changed: this never transpired.

Now, in the second half of 2010, I'm given to understand by an insider contact whom I consider to be very well-informed and reliable that indeed, a nuclear war will not now happen, and is no longer planned.

I fully believe this. I think we have other problems which are not yet resolved, but the nuclear war is off the table.

To put it another way, we're absolutely on a different timeline now, and there's no going back.

[marsiantourist]

Basiago's shilling for ''Al'' Gore doesn't exactly endear him to me, not to speak of causing a sudden drop in credibility. But then, Alfred isn't beyond suspicion, either. This of course is only my opinion and it may be caused by what I'd term a controversial choice of friends.

However, if the pictures we are shown by NASA are really taken on Mars there is not the slightest doubt that there is life on Mars. Why, then, does he only show pictures that do not show anything but blurry stuff that could be anything? There are real pics, you know! I tried for the first time to attach a pic, I hope you can see it to give you an idea what I'm talking about. A live animal would have been better, but these pics are too large, so I had to settle for a dead soldier of fortune with a camera attached to his helmet. Which brings us to the reason WHY the NASA clowns do not show unaltered pictures of Mars. Yes, it's because of what's going on there, and it's not funny.

[norman]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

.....But something changed: this never transpired.

Now, in the second half of 2010, I'm given to understand by an insider contact whom I consider to be very well-informed and reliable that indeed, a nuclear war will not now happen, and is no longer planned.

I fully believe this. I think we have other problems which are not yet resolved, but the nuclear war is off the table.

To put it another way, we're absolutely on a different timeline now, and there's no going back......

I have a hard time believing in this "timeline" stuff but I'll keep my mind as free as possible to deal with it as further evidence comes along.

If multiple timelines are real, and we have taken a different 'road' recently, I would imagine that all data gathered by the PTB prior to the timeline shift has to be thrown away and that they are now frantically darting about between here and the new future gathering a new stock of data.

Any old leaks and whistleblowing relating to the old data are not much use to us now. We need to find out about the very latest stuff they are learning.

[Banshee]

Posted by norman (here)
I have a hard time believing in this "timeline" stuff but I'll keep my mind as free as possible to deal with it as further evidence comes along.

If multiple timelines are real, and we have taken a different 'road' recently, I would imagine that all data gathered by the PTB prior to the timeline shift has to be thrown away and that they are now frantically darting about between here and the new future gathering a new stock of data..

Perhaps its as simple (lol) as viewing this testimony in context with Einstein's theory of relativity.

[onawah]

Posted by marsiantourist (here)
Basiago's shilling for ''Al'' Gore doesn't exactly endear him to me, not to speak of causing a sudden drop in credibility. But then, Alfred isn't beyond suspicion, either. This of course is only my opinion and it may be caused by what I'd term a controversial choice of friends.

However, if the pictures we are shown by NASA are really taken on Mars there is not the slightest doubt that there is life on Mars. Why, then, does he only show pictures that do not show anything but blurry stuff that could be anything? There are real pics, you know! I tried for the first time to attach a pic, I hope you can see it to give you an idea what I'm talking about. A live animal would have been better, but these pics are too large, so I had to settle for a dead soldier of fortune with a camera attached to his helmet. Which brings us to the reason WHY the NASA clowns do not show unaltered pictures of Mars. Yes, it's because of what's going on there, and it's not funny.

A camera and a soldier? The photo just looks like a couple of rocks to me.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by norman (here)
If multiple timelines are real, and we have taken a different 'road' recently, I would imagine that all data gathered by the PTB prior to the timeline shift has to be thrown away and that they are now frantically darting about between here and the new future gathering a new stock of data.

Any old leaks and whistleblowing relating to the old data are not much use to us now. We need to find out about the very latest stuff they are learning.

I do (at the moment) think this is the way it is.

Posted by marsiantourist (here)
Basiago's shilling for ''Al'' Gore doesn't exactly endear him to me, not to speak of causing a sudden drop in credibility. But then, Alfred isn't beyond suspicion, either. This of course is only my opinion and it may be caused by what I'd term a controversial choice of friends.

However, if the pictures we are shown by NASA are really taken on Mars there is not the slightest doubt that there is life on Mars. Why, then, does he only show pictures that do not show anything but blurry stuff that could be anything? There are real pics, you know! I tried for the first time to attach a pic, I hope you can see it to give you an idea what I'm talking about. A live animal would have been better, but these pics are too large, so I had to settle for a dead soldier of fortune with a camera attached to his helmet. Which brings us to the reason WHY the NASA clowns do not show unaltered pictures of Mars. Yes, it's because of what's going on there, and it's not funny.

This is the problem. These are just rocks.

[Ahkenaten]

But what if Mr. Basagio was part of an elaborate hoax..............for example, just hypothetically, what if the Hoover Institute and people associated with it had created a secret program in which certain people were selected and programmed through hypnotism, etc. to play roles in a real-life movie designed to reinforce certain ideas in the public mind. If that were true, and there is evidence unfortunately that the government and its contractors HAVE been deeply involved in these kinds of experiments, then the people involved would be absolutely convinced of the reality of their script regardless of how outlandish or implausible it might seem. Because THEY were absolutely convinced of the reality of their experiences anyone who spoke with them about it would tend to find the stories credible as well. The hypnotic effects would also provide anyone behind the scenes pulling the strings with the important plausible deniability one always encounters in these situaitons, making it impossible to track back to the underlying dynamics let alone the identities of the programmers. I personally found Dan Burisch to be one who may also fall into that category.............a friend of mine went to hear him speak and informed me that Burisch was, indeed 100% convinced of the truth of what he was saying and moreover his story had the 'internal cohesiveness' that APPEARS to make it credible and trustworthy.

I have the feeling that once one really started pulling on a thread in this particular tapestry, the entire fabric might start to unravel, revealing interconnections between individuals and narratives.

My question again is - why would ANYONE go to this extent to create this story (a major segment of the ET/UFO/OFF Earth Space Program info on the web)?????????? Is it a massive experiment of some kind? Is it an elaborate cover story and distraction for some other compelling truth that we are being constantly led away from? Is it an admixture of truth and fiction designed to confuse and bewilder? (I think this is more likely) or is it the Truth?

As an interesting coincidence on another thread - the old alien film which I am quite taken with by the way - in the interview with Victor, it looks like Victor is wearing a rubber head mask of Donald Rumsfeld. Is this some in-your-face message? (oops, now I AM getting carried away!) Also, I thought that the disguised voice of Victor sounded somewhat like Dan Burisch.

Now you know I have gone over the edge!! hehe

[Fredkc]

"Sometimes a cloud/rock/light/fuzzy dot is just a cloud/rock/light/fuzzy dot." - Sigmund Fred

In my patch of the world, there is no "man in the moon". But for some reason I cannot explain, I seem to be the only person who can see the tall, black stallion, reared up on two legs, facing to the left, that covers nearly 1/2 the moon's surface.

I have tried unsuccessfully dozens of times to get someone else to see it, it is as plain as the nose on my face. In fact, I can not see any other image there.
"What's wrong with you people??"

[Fredkc]

Posted by Banshee (here)
Perhaps its as simple (lol) as viewing this testimony in context with Einstein's theory of relativity.

"Then again, relativity may only be a local phenomena." - A. Einstein

[Ahkenaten]

Fred you are pretty funny. But wait - I can see the black stallion there in the background!

p.s.

The rorsach test is helpful for learning more about the beliefs and mindset of those projecting into objects they see

[Fredkc]

Rorschach tests confuse me.

Psychiatry seems to be about quantifying madness.
Psychology/Therapy about sitting with the 'victim' while they wallow in their malaise until they tire of it, and move on.

Healing is about who you really are, and where you wanted to go instead.

[Scott]

Ahkenaten

You mentioned when you emailed Andy about his involvement in a conference, he replied "Yes", knowing Andy for a couple of years now he never gives one word answers, i would be interested in the rest of his reply

As far as Andy being scripted, this is possible i suppose although Andy also claims to have a highly retentive memory not to mention the number of times he has relayed his account on paper and in interviews.
You eventually get to the point where you can relate a personal event in your sleep

In any event, it will all shake out eventually.

[Ahkenaten]

Hi Aztar - He very cordially acknowledged my query and said that he had been there. I actually went looking in my e-mails for his reply but unfortunately I had deleted it. All I could find in my records was a snapshot of my query to him at the Pegasus website message box. My question to him was simply --- as I said earlier in this thread - basically, were you the guy who presented. I wasn't sure if he was because the names were spelled differently. I was trying to ascertain whether the two names were the same person, and I think I established that. The conversation didn't go any further than that as I recall. If I knew him I would ask him about the different spelling and what that is about, and also why he doesn't post any live video of himself on You Tube, but only posts that photo - just curious.

I am not claiming to have any gigantic insights into any of this...............it is just that when I encountered the material, it seemed - aside from the extraordinary claims being made - odd in some way I couldn't put my finger on.

During that period I was doing some extensive research into the threads connecting various narratives and individuals involved in the whole ET/UFO/Secret Space Program area and stumbled upon what began to look like a pattern of interconnectivity between narratives, particular claims, and what appeared to be social connections between individuals. While none of these connections and patterns necessarily imply any conspiracy or anything like that - some of it did begin to look odd to me, especially when some of the individuals were using others' similar narratives to "corroborate" their own stories. That is when I went down the rabbit hole.

If I were an artist I would provide you with a picture of those interconnections - and frankly the pattern is beginning to resemble either a Spirit Catcher if you know what that is, or a cat's cradle.

Maybe I should be an artist!! Anyway my project is ongoing and I have not come to any conclusions yet - but the interconnections are interesting.

I keep coming back to this: IF there were deliberate interconnections between the narratives and individuals - WHY? WHY would anyone go to this trouble? WHAT would someone be trying to advance while at the same time trying to conceal the interconnectivity?

But - going back to the Rorsach test, perhaps my efforts to see patterns in an ink blot tell more, finally, about ME than it does about anything else.

And yet - I am still interested in getting to the TRUTH.

[Scott]

Ahkenaten

Its all good, keep digging, just be careful of invented connections syndrome that can stem from very real connections with self invented meaning.

The universe is a grand elusive adventure that may well conform holographically to our wandering perceptions, its a fine play really, I'm on the edge of my seat wondering where the next twist in the story will pop up.

Andrew is on video, I may or may not have mentioned this before but If your interested here is the link: http://vimeo.com/channels/alienevent#8511161

There is also a Video series done by Jaime Maussan on YouTube with Andy & Alfred Webre available here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CicijDOn9tw

I will ask Andrew about the conference you mentioned and get a detailed response that may help add to your information base.

Cheers!

P.S The YouTube version of our interview with Andy should be up in a day or so, I will post it here when I get a chance