Dr. Karla Turner

[Maia Gabrial]

Dr. Turner was a great researcher. And IMO she really was murdered for what she shared. If not by the Greys, then whatever the cabal sent after her. We know that cancer can be inflicted on someone, as well as cured of it. She was murdered.

If I could have thanked her personally, I would have. It was one of her suggestions that have helped me free myself of the paralysis on several occasions. The most recent was about 7 days ago. Believe me that hostile thoughts directed at the Greys breaks their concentration and even has them running away from you.

[onawah]

I cut my last comments here rather short, as I got distracted.
I meant to add that I have read from various sources that because of the various factions within TPTB, an individual whistleblower might be a target for silencing by some, while a candidate for protection by others.
So whether a particular whistleblower survives or not may also in part come down to which faction is the strongest and/or most able to outwit the other.

Posted by onawah (here)
As to various high profile whistleblowers being murdered in various ways by black ops, I think that's all been fairly well attested to by various folks, including the likes of Bob Dean, who is, consequently, fairly cautious about what he says and to whom.
TPTW reportedly use some kind of death ray to cause cancer (as with Steven Greer (who survived) and two of his colleagues (who didn't), among other techniques such as the less showy faked suicides and fatal car crashes.
As to who they choose and why, why some survive and some don't, I guess we would have to go further down some very deep rabbit holes to find all that out.
Certainly, the individual karma of each possible target would have something to do with whether they are actually targeted, and whether they survive.
Fortunately, not everything is under their (TPTB) control, and then the various factions don't agree about a lot of things, which must make it all very complicated.

[Maia Gabrial]

I decided to put this under Conspiracy Research because too many people just don't want to believe that MILAB/Alien Abductions are a real happening. That conspiracy surrounds it still as a way to keep it secret.

Recently, I found Dr. Karla Turner's book, "Taken" that had a most revealing part in it about the aliens' agenda. First, many people want to believe that most of our psychopaths are totally responsible for what is happening in our world. I don't believe that's true. In several of her cases, the abductees were admittedly told that the military they saw at bases were under complete aliens' control. So, it's not a far stretch to include other aspects of our lives, such as chemtrails, and poisoning our food and water....

Dr. Turner fervently prayed to understand what was really behind all of their alien abductions. Not long after, she was shown exactly what was behind most of it. This is an excerpt from her book, "Taken" starting at page 126:

On May 10, 1993, I may have gotten a partial answer to that prayer, although great caution is called for in assessing any contacts before accepting them at face value. This particular contact conformed exactly to other abductees' descriptions of the VRS dream and was the first of its kind I had experienced to such a degree.
I was in the middle of a normal dream when suddenly I was somehow removed from that dream and found myself sitting in a chair, in a darkened area, accompanied by entities I wasn't allowed to see. They spoke to me, clearly and frequently, throughout the event. I was facing a small stage area, which I now feel was more holographic than solidly three-dimensional even though at the time it looked quite realistic. My "hosts" told me I was to watch a scenario played out on the stage.

It began with a scene from Genesis, in which Esau returned home feeling so hungry he feared he would die. His younger brother Jacob was sitting there eating a bowl of pottage, and Esau begged him to share it. Jacob said he would give Esau the food, but only in exchange for Esau's birthright as the oldest son of Isaac. I heard Esau say, It won't do me any good to have the birthright if I die of starvation, so I'll agree to trade it for the food.

Then the scenario on stage changed to another part of the brothers' story. In this second scene, Isaac was very old and blind and knew that he was close to death. He called for Esau to be brought to him to receive the laying-on of hands that would confer the inheritance. Jacob wrapped an animal skin around his arm and presented it for his father's touch. Isaac felt the fur and believed it was the arm of his very hairy eldest son. So in his ignorance of this deception he conferred the blessing and gave Jacob that which rightfully belonged to Esau.

The play ended, and then it started right up again, playing out several more times as my hosts discussed its meaning with me. At various points they would stop the action, much as we pause a video tape, and would point out some specific detail and tell me what it meant, what it symbolized, and what the message was trying to convey.

They told me not to focus on the biblical aspect of the play, that their message had nothing to do with any actual Jacob and Esau, but that the story was designed to illustrate important information about what the aliens are doing to humans, both in the past and in the present. The hosts went through the play with me several times, pointing out details and saying things like, Okay? Let's try it again. Now watch closely. And the play would proceed.

After several repetitions, I suddenly "woke up" in my bed, amazed by what I'd just seen. I got out of bed for a while, trying to discern the nature of the event, whether dream-like or externally generated, and I also pondered on the meaning of the scenario. When I lay back down, as soon as I touched the pillow I was suddenly back in the chair, facing the stage, and my hosts said we would now resume. Once again the play began running, as did the explication offered by my abductors. And when they apparently were satisfied, the action ceased and the abductors gave me a clearly delineated summary of the things I was meant to perceive.

Esau, the older and hairier brother, they explained, represents the original human species on this planet. Jacob represents the altered product of alien genetic manipulations of that older species. The aliens produced this new variant and then used it to replace the original form.

In our current situation, the aliens are once again doing genetic alterations of our species and are once again trying to produce a variant which will be more useful for their purposes and which will supplant us. And again it will be attempted through deception, as Jacob deceived Isaac. This deception, I was told, is being carried out by the aliens through exploitation and manipulation of global events, including weather phenomenon, to make us believe that the planet is in imminent danger of cataclysm and destruction.

This is why they impress the idea of coming destruction upon so many abductees, telling then they will have tasks to perform at that time. They want us, as a race, to be so afraid of this upcoming destruction that when they show themselves openly and offer to save us in some way, we will be willing to take their help, even if it means giving up our birthright, so to speak, which is preeminence on this planet. Like Esau in his hunger, we will say, "What good does it do us to keep our birthright if we're all going to be destroyed along with the planet? What have we got to lose if we accept alien help, even though that means accepting alien control? Better to survive under subjugation than not at all."
page 127
But my hosts stressed that this is all a deception, that our planet, without their intervention, is not in imminent danger. These terrible disasters we see-the flooding, hurricanes, and earthquakes-are sometimes being intensified by the very aliens who will then come in and offer to save us from "inevitable" destruction. We should not believe them, I was told emphatically. And we must not surrender our sovereignty to them, as that would mean we were truly lost forever.

There was another case in TAKEN that offered me a little hope that all is not lost for us. There are aliens who don't like what their own kind have been doing to us, so they've been doing whatever they could to thwart the agenda.

Folks, the picture that I've been getting has been quite an ugly one. The humans asleep are not aware of what's going on. What would they do if they knew? Some are disappearing. Some may have found themselves inside cylinder tubes, paralyzed and fully and helplessly conscious. Some are being experimented on. I've asked how could the military allow this? If they're mind controlled then it's understandable.

But there is hope, according to the Akashic Records. The Event is unstoppable, even though the aliens have been trying hard. They have until 2014 and then it's game over for them.

I'm trying my hardest to keep focused on what our world will be like when the aliens and all their collaborators are gone. We will have a beautiful world again. Better than a paradise, as I understand it. Their atrocities have been observed and recorded for all time in the Akashic Records. It's what has convicted them of their crimes. The only thing left to do is capture them and toss them into the Central Sun....

[S-L]

Thank you so much for posting this. It's very refreshing to read this viewpoint on Avalon. People seem to prefer to deal with reality as they would like it to be, rather than as it is.

The Allies of Humanity would most definitely agree with you on many of these points. I feel they provide the best analysis of what's happening. Here are a few relevant quotes:

"There is a reason that people cannot speak of these things in public because it has been discouraged in the social discourse. That foreign craft are flying in your skies is an undeniable reality, and yet people do not want to think of it. And if they do think of it, they want to think of it in a positive way—that something wonderful is happening, that you have visitors, and they are here to help you, to guide you and to prepare you to meet the difficult challenges emerging in the world today."

"Races from the Greater Community are already here, interfering in human affairs, seeking to establish themselves as centers of power and influence here, operating secretly behind the scenes, influencing people in positions of power, taking citizens against their will, functioning in ways that are highly dangerous and hazardous for the human family. Yet people go about life as if nothing is happening, consumed with their own needs, consumed with human conflict and corruption, consumed with the difficulties of life here in this one world, unaware and unconcerned about the presence of an Intervention here. And those few people who are aware of this presence are being persuaded to perceive it as beneficial, as benign and, in some cases, even representing salvation for the human family."

"The Intervention has studied human psychology and physiology and has devised a very potent form of persuasion. It has taken many people against their will and subjected them to cruel experiments and powerful forms of mind control. Many of these people now cannot think for themselves. Their minds have been overtaken. Their freedom has been taken from them. They are now like laboratory animals for the Intervention, used for reproductive purposes so the Intervention can create hybrid individuals to be in positions of power and influence in government, commerce and religion."

"The Intervention is creating a hybrid individual capable of advising and eventually leading the human family, an individual with no human allegiance whatsoever, an individual with no compassion, respect or empathy for humanity."

"The Greater Darkness in the world today is hidden. It is deceptive. It portrays itself as benign and beneficial. It encourages people to acquiesce to its presence and to share in its mission here. It is not a spiritual force. It is a physical force. It is not comprised of multi-dimensional beings. It is comprised of physical beings from the Universe who present themselves in such a way that people will think the 'visitors' are mystical, spiritual and have magical powers. The only powers they have are their technology and their ability to convince you through persuasion in the mental environment."

[Kristin]

Love Dr. Turner's work.

I would also suggest, "Masquerade of Angels" which is excellent and a great lesson in discernment.

http://www.karlaturner.org/books/Kar...f%20Angels.pdf

We have a great number of Karla Turner's works that can be found on our search engine.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[wobbegong]

Thankyou Maia,
the following piece of the material you cited is very relevant to what has been going on:

...This is why they impress the idea of coming destruction upon so many abductees, telling then they will have tasks to perform at that time. They want us, as a race, to be so afraid of this upcoming destruction that when they show themselves openly and offer to save us in some way, we will be willing to take their help, even if it means giving up our birthright, so to speak, which is preeminence on this planet. Like Esau in his hunger, we will say, "What good does it do us to keep our birthright if we're all going to be destroyed along with the planet? What have we got to lose if we accept alien help, even though that means accepting alien control? Better to survive under subjugation than not at all."

What used to be very puzzling to me is the fact that some very credible people have been shown these Armageddon scenarios by their allegedly benevolent ET's. I can think of Miriam Delicado, for example. I remember her being unable to hold off her tears during a Camelot interview, when she was recalling the death and destruction she had been shown.
Today I am totally attuned to Karla Turner's statement above: that is part of the takeover plan.

[ghostrider]

It is my opinion , the whole little greys and abduction experiences that happen are all wrapped up in making the public afraid of ET ... then they need the government to protect them from evil ET ... the greys are a tool of the ptb , just part of the fear campaign ... secret government agencies are behind it ...

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

Recently, I found Dr. Karla Turner's book, "Taken" that had a most revealing part in it about the aliens' agenda.

Here it is: http://projectavalon.net/TAKEN_Karla_Turner.pdf

[Hazelfern]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
It is my opinion , the whole little greys and abduction experiences that happen are all wrapped up in making the public afraid of ET ... then they need the government to protect them from evil ET ... the greys are a tool of the ptb , just part of the fear campaign ... secret government agencies are behind it ...

ghostrider, I am not following you but daggit, I am right behind you. Nods to your interpretation.

[Rocky_Shorz]

as a psychic, I sometimes see flashes of experiences from those around me, this spring I was helping Guru that was passing, I gave her a healing that got her back on her feet and she started sharing with me what she knew about Hinduism...

one day I had a flash of her back in college on a date, and her date started changing, she glanced over and passed out, he stopped the vehicle, got out and walked up to a hill with a staff...

she watched him walking back not remembering what she had seen as he climbed back in the car and told her where to start driving... He told her to stop, and she looked over and a horn was rising up from his head, she saw a saucer approaching and then blacked out, waking up 3 days later in her college dorm room...

when I started asking her question she suddenly went pale remembering several days later passing an "afterbirth" type thing, she never spoke of it to anyone...

the Man she went out with is now a famous author on ET visitations...

I think what happened was they used her to create a child, then returned her to her room...

we have heard some ET races are having problems creating babies, are they using gifted humans for breeding?

he was just another kid in college, and I have no doubt he wasn't the only one...

how many human abductions start as a date?

[S-L]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I think what happened was they used her to create a child, then returned her to her room...we have heard some ET races are having problems creating babies, are they using gifted humans for breeding? he was just another kid in college, and I have no doubt he wasn't the only one...

The argument that they are abducting people because they have problems breeding babies of their own cannot be correct. Why would they need human biology to replicate their own biology? If they did, you would think that millions of abductions would take place every year. The number is high but it's certainly not that high. This is probably something they tell their abductees in hopes of garnering their sympathies.

I'd like to offer a few alternative explanations, based on the Allies of Humanity material. These scenarios ring true to me:

1. They are breeding a human-alien hybrid. You have likely heard stories about such beings. They look just like humans, but have the mental powers and consciousness of the aliens. These hybrids are being placed in positions of power and influence, especially within corporations. They are "advisers" to the top echelon of human leadership. This is how the alien intervention will end up calling the shots here. It won't be through military conquest. It will be behind the scenes. These hybrids are a big part of that program. People are being abducted to further this end.
2. Human beings are considered a resource. The universe is vast and filled with tons of planets which hold many resources. The one thing that's very rare in the universe, however, is biological resources. Most of the planets out there are barren. These biological resources fetch a high price on the market as alien societies use them to create medicine or use them for their genetic engineering / collective breeding programs. Some human beings have been abducted and never returned. This is where they went. They were sold for parts.
3. To control us, they need to understand us. We can relate to this. Our scientists often conduct experiments on animals - life of lesser consciousness, so to speak. We are seen in this way. They are not visiting the earth on a school trip. They are here for their own purposes, part of which is to claim this world for themselves. They need human assistance for this. They need human cooperation. Many have been abducted for research purposes. The more they understand human nature, the better they can control us.

[Rocky_Shorz]

who knows why, I didn't even believe shift changers were anything more than a science fiction tale until I watched it...

a horn that grew up in the sky like an antennae to make contact and direct in the ships... totally nuts, but when I saw the abduction I realized it was more, she was noticed as a child as gifted so for those watching for it, she was an easy target.

but she had no recollection of it even though I saw it from her memory, I think I fed the image back to her when her eyes grew wide and she remembered and started talking about it.

she was kinda freaked once she put the pieces together...

[sigma6]

As far as I am concerned Conspiracy is the ONLY place where you will find out what is really going on... It is the anti-thesis of MSM.
People look to conspiracy to see where the "latest research" is I don't know why all these talking heads in politics and television jump all over it like Demons being exposed to garlic... conspiracy?

What two people sharing information behind our back? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
How can that be possible???? There is no such thing... Everybody is already educated and knowledgeable about everything... There are no such things as secrets, dishonest people, secret societies are really secret... oh noooooooooo!!! For you to even give these people the benefit of doubt, they just suckered you... (suckaaaah!!!) it's an emotional (thus creative) shutdown attack... by devious manipulators of ill intent...

Don't be sucked into believing their bogus "shame" tactics... that is hypocrisy at it's ultimate, pushing the absolute limits of their manipulation, psychological intimidation, and agenda, see through that and you enter into a world of free thinkers, where creativity flows unlimited... the beginning of every great SCANDAL exposed started by definition as a CONSPIRACY!!!!




update:
I should add, there is a commercial redemption interpretation in that I remember coming from Winston Shrout, not exactly what you said, but I do find that very compelling actually... I never did make sense of why someone would be so "hairy" that it strained the narrative of the story imo...

I agree definitely with the part about our sovereignty... That is exactly what was key to Winston's interpretation... the bowl of porridge is statutory commercial benefits and privileges... only in commerce would something so unfair and deplorable as trading your lifetime of sovereignty for a pittance be allowed, thus why the "Romans" have implemented it... there was more to it... but that is an amazing overlap right there...

and yet it is all an illusion because there IS NO WAY they can take away our SOVEREIGN INALIENABLE RIGHTS ... (hmm... in-alien-able)

...we can only fall asleep and forget to EXERCISE them... and when you wake up... they will still be there waiting for you to take them up again... (Excalibur)

[Maia Gabrial]

Sigma6,
Maybe you should read Dr. Turner's other book: "Masquerade of Angels" about Ted Rice's experience with the aliens. He seemed to have had a charmed life until he discovered what was suppressed in his mind. Horrible stuff.... Rightfully, he was angry. I was so angry for him! And sadly, to this day, no one can locate him. But his story is interesting....

Not once have I ever read a case where negative aliens came into ppl's homes with permission; or get consent for experiments on a person's body, or the exchange of their REAL body for an inferior cloned piece of junk, . Ted Rice discovered all this and much more horrendous stuff - all this happened to him without consent. That means these negative aliens just don't give a crap about our sovereignty and free will. They take it all the time because they can. No one stops them. And I'm not even sure if a person emphatically saying NO to them, would make them comply....

All of these horrible things going on makes you wonder if they'd try this crap on their own worlds? Would they enter homes uninvited and unannounced there? Would they get away with committing the same atrocities on their own kind? I'm thinking that it's just as unacceptable on their worlds as it is here. But what can we do about it?

Dr. Turner said that the aliens don't like negative or hostile thoughts directed at them. I know this for fact because I've used it. I've broken free of the paralysis the've imposed on my body using my anger. But somehow they always persist and catch me unaware on other occasions.

The reason why I posted this thread is because I wanted people to see the PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION that David Icke pointed out being used on us by our own people. At least, I think they're our own people.... Maybe what we all need to do is stop and think before reacting to things happening to us. In that short moment, we will be able to think clearer and act rationally; which is NOT what any of them want from us. To Hell with what they want....

[KiwiElf]

"Masquerade of Angels" here - direct link/PDF

http://www.whale.to/b/turner1.pdf

Also "Blue Planet Project"

http://www.ivantic.net/Ostale_knjiig...netProject.pdf

This document is the alleged result of the actions of one or more scientists creating a covert, unauthorized notebook documenting their involvement with an Above Top Secret government program. Government publications and information obtained by the use of public tax monies cannot be subject to copyright. This document is released into the public domain for all citizens of the United States of America.

It is the focus of the first episode of "Unsealed Alien Files"

https://youtube.com/results?searc...be.36aT0dmwLsw

Click on the YouTube link for other episodes in the series

[Bob]

"It's not "aliens." It's MKULTRA."



http://www.jeffpolachek.com/www-karlaturner-org



Karla Turner Memorial
KarlaTurner.org

in light of the Mk-Ultra stuff coming back to the Forum, and Camelot's interview.. see: http://projectcamelot.org/turner.html


from - UFO Universe, Spring 1993. Aliens - Friends or Foes by Dr. Karla Turner:

(seems MK-Ultra could evoke the below too, with chemical, video, subliminals, other torture/reward programming - the points below, and it could come out "aliens" did it..)

--Aliens can alter our perceptions of our surroundings.

--Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us any number of guises and shapes.

--Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can make themselves only partially visible.

--Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known scoops and straight-line scars. These other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three-and four fingered claw marks, and triangles of every possible sort.

--Female abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after their alien encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breast and uterus, and to hysterectomies.

--A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses they didn't have before their encounters. These have led to surgery, debilitation, and even death from causes the doctors can't identify.

--Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during an experience, not just the greys. Every possible combination of grey, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and widow's peak have been seen during single abductions, aboard the same craft or in the same facility.

--Abductees report being scoffed at, jeered at, and threatened by their alien captors. Painful genital and anal probes are performed... Unknown fluids are injected into some abductees.

--Abductees-"virgin" cases- report being taken to underground facilities where they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of colored liquid filled with parts of human bodies.

--Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being drained of blood, being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and stacked, lifeless like cords of wood. Some abductees have been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they don't co-operate with their alien captors.

--Aliens come into homes and temporarily remove young children, leaving their distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been able to protest, the aliens insist that "The children belong to us."

--Aliens have forced their human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens and even with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these performances. In such encounters, the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope, certain celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees.

--Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on abductees, saying that these acts are necessary but give no explanation why.....Painful genital and anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults.

--Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction. They say that a certain number of humans...will be "rescued" from the planet in order to continue the species, either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is over.

--Many abductees report they don't believe their alien captors and foresee instead a much more sinister use of the "rescued" humans.

she says: "Before we allow ourselves to believe in the benevolence of the alien interaction , we should ask, do enlightened beings need to use the cover of night to perform good deeds? Do they need to paralyze us and render us helpless to resist? Do angels need to steal our fetuses? Do they need to manipulate our children's genitals and probe our rectums? Are fear, pain, and deception consistent with high spiritual motives?" ......Dr. Karla Turner."

interesting quote from the Camelot Page -

"From beginning to end, Turner had been struck by how contradictory the stories of the aliens were. They would, she averred, say anything they wanted to attain their ends.

"As the abductees in Taken reported it, the aliens insisted variously that they had come to help us cope with upcoming ecological disaster, interbreed for our good and theirs, help us evolve, take our genetic material to revivify their dying race. Sometimes they claimed they had outright created us; other times, that they were genetically altering us for our own good.

"In one of the most moving accounts in the annals of alien abductions, Turner tells Ted Rice's story, in Masquerade of Angels, of how, as an 8-year-old boy, Rice found himself along with his much-beloved grandmother inside a UFO and surrounded by a variety of aliens, including a tall reptoid.

"The aliens brought out the grandmother's husband, who had been dead for six years, and insisted she have sex with him. Partway through the act, the grandfather metamorphosed into the tall reptoid. Now the reptoid demanded to have sex with Rice.

"The boy's grandmother refused to allow this, even though the aliens insisted she would be dead in two days if she did not renege. Two days later, the grandmother was indeed dead of a massive heart attack."

[Kalamos]

..........

[GoodETxSG]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bVWq7n6F_tk

I have been meaning to listen to this for a while, just haven't gotten to it. Bookmarking it.
TY...

[Frenchy]

Posted by HURRITT ENYETO (here)
Dr.Carla Turner,
I wonder if her death was entirely natural or was she doing to much of a good job?
Hurritt

Hi, sometimes I happen upon quite old threads !

As to her cancer being ' natural ', the government lies surrounding JFK's asassination, eventually revealed the links between Oswald and Judyth (who worked developing a cancer to kill within six days...) source Dr Mary's Monkey ( Hasslam)

No doubt since 1963, their ability to introduce a specific cancer, and to interfere with specific Organ frequencies, has advanced.

Try and search on YT for " Female Astronaut faints ", and note the definate displacement of her hair, in an enclosed theatre...

May goodness be your companion, along the narrow, but dark path to the light !
( Phillip Goppa 2015 ! )

[Bill Ryan]

Hello, Everyone: besides bumping this valuable thread (for those who don't know: Karla Turner was a giant of a researcher, held in great respect by everyone), I'd like to post this contact message we received. Do please assist if you can.

~~~

I am a researcher who worked with Lisa [Ragan] of Karla Turner's book "Taken." I recently discovered her obituary and wanted to know if you could post this in order to find out, possibly, how she died? I am somewhat dumbfounded (and very saddened) since the obit did not say she had been ill.

She was a milab and had endured tremendous hardship during her lifetime. This obit lists her death date as being in October, but she actually died the previous September (2013). Thank you for your assistance.

http://obits.tennessean.com/obituari...&pid=167296053