The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

[Milneman]

Well.....I did not think that I would be writing this when I started out doing this three or so weeks ago, but gang? I'm sorry! I was wrong!

Well not completely.

When I began, the first thing that I looked at was the Vision TV documentary on the Talpiot tomb. I'm in Canada, so I remember watching this on Vision when it first came out and thinking....wow....WOW....

However! If you look at the Wikipedia article on this alone, you're going to see that there are a number of things that come into question about the evidence found at Talpiot, as well as the documentary itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talpiot_Tomb

So considering that evidence, I find it possible, but extremely unlikely this is the family tomb of Jesus of Nazareth.

Also, this video has some interesting comments:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YuQzVfANJis

However, having said that....

I just finished listening to an audio book, "The Gnostic Gospels" by Elaine Pagels. It was tough to get into at first, because I found myself rejecting everything that was being said without giving it any thought. I was looking for a way to make it wrong before I gave it a chance.

Then something very interesting happened. Pagels started quoting the Gnostic Gospels themselves, interspersing them with her commentary about what was going on historically at the time. I was shocked, and at times giddy, when what she was quoting was not only something I agreed with, but something that from my own spiritual experience I know as to be true.

Holy shoeshine. I'm a Gnostic. And I didn't even know I was a Gnostic!

This is a REALLY good book, one I"m going to Amazon and re-read on the page.

There are aspects of traditional Christianity I've always believed true. But when held in the context of most of Gnostic texts, at least what I heard Pagels quote, this jives with how I understand these doctrines/dogmas.

Rather than being discouraged, I'm encouraged. Believe it or not, my faith is actually deepened because of this. And I do stand by what I said, but I have to modify it slightly. I believe the Gnostic truths are available in the New Testament...but you really, really, really have to read them with a critical mind to see them, and not everyone is going to be able to do it or see it.

This has really opened a door, but it's also confirmed my feet are on the ground.

[1 flew over]

Posted by Milneman (here)
Well.....I did not think that I would be writing this when I started out doing this three or so weeks ago, but gang? I'm sorry! I was wrong!

Well not completely.

This has really opened a door, but it's also confirmed my feet are on the ground.

I have just watched the video and read the wiki writeup and all I come up with is HUH?

The video makes Bill O’Reilly seem truthful and unwilling to spin the facts. The distortion of what was said is said in the Tomb video and the claims in the rebuttal are, hummm how shall I put this, creative—yea that works.

The intentional degrading of the names is blatant. First is taking the Jewish names and switching them all to English to remove them from what was inscribed on the ossuaries. Taking the name for Yesua’s brother Yose and saying that it is Joseph and therefore one of the most common names there was, it was written Yose not Yohosef, big difference. Taking Mariamne of Magdola and saying that it was Maria and therefore common. Excuse me!! Taking Yesua bar Yohosef and saying that it is common. The name thing was beyond a joke. Rewatch the original and judge for yourself.

The lost ossuary of Mathew that the rebuttal said was found, hell, I don’t even remember where they said, and therefore could not be linked to the tomb where the other ossuaries were found. Huh? The original video stated exactly where it had come from and how he had acquired it and approximately when. They then took samples of the patina on the outside of the ossuary and compared it to the ones from the original tomb and checked out the deposits with an electron microscope and verified that it came from the same tomb.

The original video never said that Yesua’s or Mary Magdalene’s bones were found in the ossuary. They found enough flakes to do the DNA test to show that those remains were not genetically linked. That is all. It is a shame that the Israel Department of whatever would not allow some samples of the bones of ossuaries to be DNA tested to find if and who linked to whom. But they damn sure don’t want to help prove anything about Yesua.

The final wrap up was a real mind tweaker. Where the dude said something about the theory proposed by the original movie as opposed to the facts of history. What? The only "fact" that any of this story existed is the Bible and that has been shown to be an intentionally distorted document in an attempt to control.


It never ceases to amaze me how hung up on the physical that Christian’s can be. If Yesua was in fact a Son of God and he is ascending to be with his father why would he want to take along his meat suit. Even in the Bible they talk about his appearing in a form that even Mary Magdalene didn’t recognize, nor some of the other disciples. Hell, he was in his spiritual form, not lugging around his body. There are numerous threads here on Avalon concerning Astral Projection or out of body experiences, there are thousands of people who do this on a regular basis. Are Christians so wrapped up in a concept of a physical form that they cannot accept that if Christ can raise others “souls” out of the grave that he couldn’t do it for himself?

Anyway, enough of my rant.

I really want to congratulate you on looking into the Gnostic works. I never did suggest those to anyone to weaken their concepts on spirituality only to strengthen and greatly expand it.

Be Well my friend
1 Flew Over

[skippy]

The real Jesus is a Fool "par excellence". How ever possibly follow Jesus? But once, you recognizes “it”, via a great leap of faith, you “know”, Jesus speaks truth in an extraordinary manner. "Anyone among you that thinks he is wise in this age, let him become a fool, so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with God." -- I Corinthians iii, 18-19.

We meet the real Jesus in the personal encounter via a great leap of faith. Whenever our interior life becomes caught up in its own interests and concerns, there is no longer room for the real Jesus. His voice is no longer heard, the quiet joy is no longer felt, and the desire to do good fades. I invite everybody, everywhere, at this very moment, to a personal encounter with Jesus. No one should think that this invitation is not meant for him or her, since no one is excluded from the joy brought by the Lord. Jesus does not disappoint those who take this risk; whenever we take a step towards Jesus, we come to realize that he is already there, waiting for us with open arms. The real Jesus cannot be know by the intellectual mind. The only way to know the real Jesus, is to reach out (in the unknown) for a personal encounter. "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you" -- Matthew 7:7.

[Kalamos]

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[Milneman]

Posted by Calamus (here)
A thought:

That character Jesus we speak of in stories was a representation of Love and Unity. Whether he actually lived as told and described in books is obviously debatable, but we tend to miss the point, as the religion designed around him did, that he fully now should Symbolize those principles of Love and Unity, now represented by many other symbols. My particular favorite is the word symbol Christ. But even that is lacking for some. We should personally become a symbol in ourselves, of the principles of love and unity.

The story of Jesus as as representing human righteousness love and unity will likely never be forgotten, but live on is a symbol that points the way.

Bro, a step further from what you're saying...which is I think basicly what Bill was saying in his first post, which makes me laugh because had I read the material first, none of this would be here right now LOL!

If you actually do what the Gnostics are teaching...introspective self searching, looking for real meaning, the Gospel of Thomas for example (btw, there's no real proof either direction that this is a Gnostic text aside from it being found at Nag Hammadi...but so was a portion of Plato's "Republic", another thread, another post, I need another cup of coffee and time to figure that one out lol), The Gospel of Mary (which Pagels quoted...I really need to the actual texts now and see if I'm as enthused about them in their entirety), your eyes open up. The last twelve years, working with the lady who is my friend and mentor, was doing exactly this without the aid of these texts. So when I started hearing Pagels quoting the gospels, and started agreeing, that's when the rush of light sort of hit me and I realized "Yeah! I can agree with, and maybe even consider myself, a Gnostic Christian!"

THEN you read the New Testament. Suddenly, it's a completely different set of books. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, especially John, take on a completely different meaning.

So I'm in an interesting place now! Because I think technically, the orthodox church will see me as heretical for finding value in Gnosticism, and the Gnostics will consider me heretical for believing in the crucifixion and resurrection!

LOL It's really amazing stuff!

Bill, my hat off to you for kicking me down this flight of stairs without even meaning to. :D

[Kalamos]

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[GreenGuy]

Posted by ulli (here)
I just wish to point out that whatever the Bahai Faith is,
it served as a reminder of the high station of Mary Magdalene,
back in the early 20th century, thus preparing the way to a renewed interest in her.

Indeed. The Baha'i insistence on the equality of women is one of the big reasons this faith is so persecuted in Islamic countries. In fact, Abdu'l-Baha insisted that if a family has two children and can only afford to educate one, the girl should be chosen because it is women who nurture the next generation. The Baha'i principles are logical, humane and could hold the key to real holistic advancement of civilization. Unfortunately Baha'is are passive and rarely become involved in their communities, and in spite of their pretty words about the equality of women, their guiding body, called the Universal House of Justice, is only allowed to contain men. Nobody's perfect.

[Milneman]

Posted by GreenGuy (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
I just wish to point out that whatever the Bahai Faith is,
it served as a reminder of the high station of Mary Magdalene,
back in the early 20th century, thus preparing the way to a renewed interest in her.

Indeed. The Baha'i insistence on the equality of women is one of the big reasons this faith is so persecuted in Islamic countries. In fact, Abdu'l-Baha insisted that if a family has two children and can only afford to educate one, the girl should be chosen because it is women who nurture the next generation. The Baha'i principles are logical, humane and could hold the key to real holistic advancement of civilization. Unfortunately Baha'is are passive and rarely become involved in their communities, and in spite of their pretty words about the equality of women, their guiding body, called the Universal House of Justice, is only allowed to contain men. Nobody's perfect.

And let's not forget also GreenGuy...any prophet that comes after Mohammed is a "false prophet"...which means Abdu'l-b'aha is a threat to Islam.

My aunt was a Baha'i missionary in Iran of all places...you can probably guess the timing on that...she was lucky to get out alive.

[ulli]

Posted by GreenGuy (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
I just wish to point out that whatever the Bahai Faith is,
it served as a reminder of the high station of Mary Magdalene,
back in the early 20th century, thus preparing the way to a renewed interest in her.

Indeed. The Baha'i insistence on the equality of women is one of the big reasons this faith is so persecuted in Islamic countries. In fact, Abdu'l-Baha insisted that if a family has two children and can only afford to educate one, the girl should be chosen because it is women who nurture the next generation. The Baha'i principles are logical, humane and could hold the key to real holistic advancement of civilization. Unfortunately Baha'is are passive and rarely become involved in their communities, and in spite of their pretty words about the equality of women, their guiding body, called the Universal House of Justice, is only allowed to contain men. Nobody's perfect.

Funny, just today I was telling someone (non-Bahai) about the different interpretations about why women are not allowed to serve on the Universal House of Justice.
The moment I mention the BF to someone the synchronicities multiply.
Who knows what event will trigger the masses to start investigating the Bahai Faith.
Most of them still expect the conversion process being done TO them, rather than by their own efforts.

[GreenGuy]

Posted by Milneman (here)
And let's not forget also GreenGuy...any prophet that comes after Mohammed is a "false prophet"...which means Abdu'l-b'aha is a threat to Islam.

Agreed. And Christians are equally guilty. It's why I believe in the Divine but not in religion.

Baha'u'llah taught that all religions teach the same core values, and that the differences between them are in their social teachings. I think this is mostly true; but the fact remains that more evil has been committed in the name of religion than nearly any other cause.

Thanks to Bill and everyone who has commented for a fascinating thread.

[Bill Ryan]

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Bumping this thread, very appropriately, with this stunning portrait. It was painted by an 8-year old prodigy named Akiane Kramarik (now 19). Akaine claims her art is inspired directly by God, and she stated that her painting copied below accurately depicts the historical Jesus.

[Becky]

This is a fantastic painting. Interestingly his eyes are painted greeny-blue, which is how they are described by a few people Dolores Cannon hypno-regressed back to life-times shared with Jesus. Also, his mother Mary is supposed to be fair with the same greeny-blue eyes...from her mum who was Cornish.

[Tonya]

In the book Heaven is For Real, a young boy named Colton claims to have met God and Jesus. He accurately described seeiing himself in surgery, his father praying in the waiting room, meeting his miscarried sister (which he had no knowledge of), and his grandfather who had passed before his birth. His father showed him several depictions of Jesus. When Colton saw this image, he was sure this is the Jesus he met.

[AlaBil]

Bumping this thread, very appropriately, with this stunning portrait.

Bill...That is in fact an understatement. I find this portrait to be stunning and compelling.

[Agape]

Found this fascinating under-cover interview documentary filmed in France , investigating society called The Priory of Sion who are the keepers of many ancient secrets and among else , claim to have proofs of Jesus marriage to Marie Magdelene and their offspring ..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gkXHY86GknY

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zPo9R2t8oB0

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jngQQtV9pmc

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ypsPpYgDkkk

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5N7i1WAwo_s

It's cut to pieces .. if you click on the Youtube link you can watch all 11 parts in row , now I'm not sure how to code video sequence to here ..


Thought it could be of interest

[Finefeather]

Posted by Agape (here)
Thought it could be of interest

Only up to the part...Part 10...where it becomes obvious that it is a scam when the 'evidence'...stone, bottle etc...is found so miraculously. The beginning parts were quite interesting...Thanks.
http://grailseekers.blogspot.com/201...line-tomb.html

[skippy]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
Thought it could be of interest

Only up to the part...Part 10...where it becomes obvious that it is a scam when the 'evidence'...stone, bottle etc...is found so miraculously. The beginning parts were quite interesting...Thanks.

Agree with Finefeather. Nice documentary but the part with the tomb and the bottles is not convincing. Nevertheless, interesting watch. Thanks Agape

[Agape]

Posted by skippy (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
Thought it could be of interest

Only up to the part...Part 10...where it becomes obvious that it is a scam when the 'evidence'...stone, bottle etc...is found so miraculously. The beginning parts were quite interesting...Thanks.

Agree with Finefeather. Nice documentary but the part with the tomb and the bottles is not convincing. Nevertheless, interesting watch. Thanks Agape

Oh see , my fault, I merely started to watch when posting this . Thought it's been probably discussed somewhere already .. I'll check the end .

[161803398]

On the subject of the second coming: I always say that when Jesus got on the boat to India after the crucifixion, he told his disciples "I'll be back", and the disciples, always inclined to be somewhat hysterical, blew the whole thing out of proportion.

[Agape]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
On the subject of the second coming: I always say that when Jesus got on the boat to India after the crucifixion, he told his disciples "I'll be back", and the disciples, always inclined to be somewhat hysterical, blew the whole thing out of proportion.

Makes sense . Jesus left on boat to India ..left Mary with kids in Jerusalem , those were later snatched to France . I think we're soon getting the real story ..