How to reduce the human population ???

[Shezbeth]

My point is not to say that what 'Seth' says is not true, my point is to say that "Just because he said it doesn't mean it should be taken as fact". In general he has a way of saying several things that seem quite apparent and agreeable, and then throw in a statement or two that the recipient - in having become receptive to previous statements - is more inclined to agree with even if it is overly unagreeable, unconfirmable, and lacking in evidence. The apparent truth of previous/later statements does not blanket everything said with truth.

Nassim's spiel does well to argue that point for me (the analogy of the moving hand).

I'll reiterate - I think very highly of the Seth material, however 'he' makes numerous statements that are by no means as definite as is implied or expressed.

[Kindred]

Sounds like a bit too much of 'left-brain thinking'... You're trying to 'logically' prove something that is Beyond Proof - at least at this level of 'density' and sense-awareness.

Using the INTUITIVE powers of Consciousness, in Consort with the Logical aspect of Consciousness, you Expand your ability to UNDERSTAND.

We, as a Race, need to move beyond this limitation of purely 'left-brained' thinking, and recognize both the benefit and the Necessity to incorporate BOTH hemispheres of Awareness.

And this is Particularly True when dealing with the subject of the OP.

No problem can be solved at the same level of Consciousness that created the problem.

I have attempted to expand our Understanding of the current population 'dilemma' by bringing the Iarga dialog into the discussion - to bypass our left-brain limitations by looking at this issue in a wholly different manner, and Recognize the 'problem' is NOT what it seems to be.

The 'population problem' is a Manufactured construct by tptw, which manipulate the resources and that is further manifested through the widely disseminated and promoted idea of Scarcity.

This is a FALSE Paradigm.

Our planet, Properly Managed, could EASILY Feed, Clothe, and House EVERYONE, with enough left over for Many, Many More. ALL this, and one could also provide even Greater Space for EVERYONE - particularly that of Wild Space.

The Universe is INFINITE.. and So Are Our Options - IF we would only open our eyes, and see these manipulations for what they Truly Are.

I encourage Everyone to expand your thinking 'outside of the box', and Know that Creation was meant to be a Wondrous, Joyful Experience.

And It Can BE. If We Make The Effort in body, mind and Spirit.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Shezbeth]

One can operate both hemispheres of the brain, it doesn't have to be a left/right brain issue. I suggest that the most adequate responses to ANY stimuli come from BOTH hemispheres, neglecting neither.

The Seth material may have truth to it - it may even have an overwhelming majority - but is nonetheless channeled material. I trust I don't need to go on at length as to the possible conflicts involving such and those who wish to ignore them do so at their own peril.

A human population achieving equilibrium with their environment requires two things:
1. An environment with sufficient renewable resources to perpetuate the humans participating.
2. A human population willing to live exclusively in equilibrium with the environment, relying only on sustainable/renewable resources.

I see one being present,.....

[Kindred]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
A human population achieving equilibrium with their environment requires two things:
1. An environment with sufficient renewable resources to perpetuate the humans participating.
2. A human population willing to live exclusively in equilibrium with the environment, relying only on sustainable/renewable resources.

I see one being present,.....

Unfortunately, I had written a lengthy analysis of our current challenge, as well as the solution relative to your postulate, which then vaporized into the ether due to having taken so long to compose.

Simply put, the high technology which is being withheld can offer innumerable multifaceted advantages that would free up humanity's potential for advancement both physically, as well as Spiritually. It won't be 'easy', but We may be surprised by how rapidly such a turn-around could be had, once we apply our Consciousness to the problem.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Shezbeth]

There exists that potential - I agree - but I don't find it to be probable for numerous reasons.

Recognize that while the withholding of tech and info is artificial to the holistic growth/development of humanity, it is a natural expression of how humans react when engaging within a hierarchy. Systems of control would need to be addressed long before giving humanity the 'keys' to some of the technology, else those new technologies will be used as increased methods of control. IMO, humanity has not matured to the point that it can safely and effectively manage such technology, as is evidenced by it's 'effective' management of current technology.

[Kindred]

I just happened upon this EXCELLENT video that Specifically Addresses the 'Population Problem', as both a statistical methodology, as well as a focused narration with excellent graphics and some humor as well. Presented by a statistician, Hans Rosling.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mz_kn45qIvI

Enjoy!

In Unity, Peace and Love

[thunder24]

wade frazier's thread has a perspective that is wide in scope, that imo needs to be considered

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...376#post801376

peace

[Bill Ryan]

I'm bumping this long and interesting (but quite old!) thread with a copy of an email I've just written to a film-maker who had asked if they could use part of our Avalon Library copy of Paul Ehrlich's book The Population Bomb in an educational documentary they were working on.

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Pau...ion%20Bomb.pdf

This was my reply:

~~~

Dear [ ____ ], many thanks for the question.

We don't own the copyright, but the book is readily available online in several places. I don't recall where we found our own copy (which no-one has ever asked us to remove!), but it might have been on Anna's Archive (link here, where there are 14 different PDF versions available) or the Z-library (link here, where there are 16 versions. (It's also on the Internet Archive, here.)

My personal purely informal guess is that there are likely to be no problems at all with your use of part of the book, as it's (a) so well-known, (b) so widely quoted, and (c) so widely available online.

I should add, if I may, that while the book is now quite often regarded as controversial, I've always held the view that Ehrlich's work is very important and having read it several times since it was first published I still feel very strongly and clearly that the world's large population is a serious unacknowledged problem.

This is particularly the case now because of limited energy supplies, limited supplies of critical minerals, the continuing heavy impact on the biosphere, and the ever-increasing depletion of the quality of arable land with over-reliance on chemical fertilizers, also in limited supply. The entire world would be far, far healthier, and more likely to be truly sustainable for future generations, with a significantly reduced population.

Ehrlich himself argued that if we didn't manage this problem ourselves, nature would intervene to take care of the issue for us — and he may yet be proved right.

My very best wishes ~ Bill

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It's already happening. Projected population figures for 2050 and beyond are pretty bleak, and that's quite besides any solar or geophysical 'mass extinction event' that may or may not occur. The reasons for this are multi-faceted and beyond the scope of this and probably any one thread, but it boils down to people not marrying in the numbers they used to. Attacks on the nuclear family, increased sexuality/gender confusion, and planned parenthood all add up to less babies being born. At some point, and that point may be near, or even passed, the median global death rate will overtake birth rate, and when that happens, the writing will be on the wall.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Attachment 23869 We don't have to worry about that any more, its being taken care off and accelerating every day since 1945.

roman

I downloaded and read this ebook by Gulalae recently and it is quite eye-opening.



Attachment 23869

Although written in 2013, it pretty much called it up to the present, including covid.

Below is a post-covid, 2024 follow-up, by the same author:

Depopulation_by_Vaccination_The_Effects_of_the_Plandemic_on_Births_and_Deaths_in_the_G-20_Nations
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...e_G-20_Nations

(It wouldn't be a bad idea to save both of these documents to the PA library)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
It's already happening. Projected population figures for 2050 and beyond are pretty bleak, and that's quite besides any solar or geophysical 'mass extinction event' that may or may not occur. The reasons for this are multi-faceted and beyond the scope of this and probably any one thread, but it boils down to people not marrying in the numbers they used to. Attacks on the nuclear family, increased sexuality/gender confusion, and planned parenthood all add up to less babies being born. At some point, and that point may be near, or even passed, the median global death rate will overtake birth rate, and when that happens, the writing will be on the wall.

The numbers are coming in and it doesn't look good. It seems world population is already in decline for the first time since records have been kept.
Not only the intefering social and cultural norms are to blame, the fertility rate across the world has plumetted.

Not to blame everything on conspiracy but the Covid Plandemic seems to have had a lot to do with the torpedoed fertility rate, as well as a surprising number of excess deaths in the last six years.